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"I don't believe that ghosts are dead people." Oh what do you believe they are ? Mrscxxx | |||
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"I don't believe that ghosts are dead people. Oh what do you believe they are ? Mrscxxx " No idea, I've seen and heard so many things but I can't say it was down to the spirits of dead people | |||
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"Would love to hear some of your stories Mrscxxx " Ok I'll tell you briefly about something. I used to say g to a cleaner at work who worked early morning and afternoons. He was off sick so I was pleased to see him one afternoon so I said "hello" then a little later as I drove out I saw him cycle away as usual. The next day I mentioned to a colleague that it was good to see him back. She told me he'd died several weeks before. I don't have an explanation but I can't imagine that he would have made the effort to reveal himself to me. I think it was just a replay. | |||
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"I believe 100 percent. I regularly go to a spiritualist church and I can communicate with spirit some people call me crazy maybe I am. But all I know i help people and that is the most important thing to me I don’t charge so I’m not taking advantage of anyone Mrscxxx " My mum goes to a spiritualist church and I've been a few times now. It's amazing. Had a message given to me by a gent and there's no way he'd have known any of the stuff. It helped me so much. We're all crazy so don't worry  ! | |||
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"Would love to hear some of your stories Mrscxxx Ok I'll tell you briefly about something. I used to say g to a cleaner at work who worked early morning and afternoons. He was off sick so I was pleased to see him one afternoon so I said "hello" then a little later as I drove out I saw him cycle away as usual. The next day I mentioned to a colleague that it was good to see him back. She told me he'd died several weeks before. I don't have an explanation but I can't imagine that he would have made the effort to reveal himself to me. I think it was just a replay. " Or someone you mistook for him, or a misremembrance of the event. That happens more often than you think. | |||
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"I believe 100 percent. I regularly go to a spiritualist church and I can communicate with spirit some people call me crazy maybe I am. But all I know i help people and that is the most important thing to me I don’t charge so I’m not taking advantage of anyone Mrscxxx My mum goes to a spiritualist church and I've been a few times now. It's amazing. Had a message given to me by a gent and there's no way he'd have known any of the stuff. It helped me so much. We're all crazy so don't worry !"So, your mum goes to this church, and theres no way this bloke could have known anything about you? Really? Your mum doesnt know anything about you? Youd be suprised how little info they need to find and deduce a whole lot more. | |||
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"Never did until we moved into our house..built in 1732. I ( malbec) thought bubbles was taking the Mickey about stuff going missing and the sounds of kids jumping on the beds etc. Wgeb they were all at school. Then one night I saw a little girl walking up the stairs to our kitchen, I just assumed it was one if ours then I realised our girls are fair and both were too young for us to see from that angle. We call her Flossie and feel very lucky to share her home..." Have you not thought about trying to capture an image or sound recording? | |||
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"Would love to hear some of your stories Mrscxxx Ok I'll tell you briefly about something. I used to say g to a cleaner at work who worked early morning and afternoons. He was off sick so I was pleased to see him one afternoon so I said "hello" then a little later as I drove out I saw him cycle away as usual. The next day I mentioned to a colleague that it was good to see him back. She told me he'd died several weeks before. I don't have an explanation but I can't imagine that he would have made the effort to reveal himself to me. I think it was just a replay. Or someone you mistook for him, or a misremembrance of the event. That happens more often than you think." Yes there are many more explanations than it was the spirit of a man I barely knew. It wasn't a case of mistaken identity though, he was very recognisable. | |||
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"I see a medium every 3 years same lady never tell her anything no name no contact details and she has told me things spot on that she would never know or could just predict. The ghostly things happened to me over the years is odd... was sitting on loo and the shampoo bottle started shaking left and right ... I heard my boys running up and down the landing one night went to tell them to get back to bed and they were soundo ... was on sofa one Christmas and the crystals on one chandelier started to shake then one by one my baubles on Christmas tree fell off... my dad recently died and every day since there has been a robin in my garden first one I’ve since in 17 years .. one day was upset went to garden and asked for the robin and it appeared .. weird or coincidence? Heard my kitchen cupboards slamming from upstairs .. felt spirit sit on end of bed .. so much more xxx" dont believe that.  | |||
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"I see a medium every 3 years same lady never tell her anything no name no contact details and she has told me things spot on that she would never know or could just predict. The ghostly things happened to me over the years is odd... was sitting on loo and the shampoo bottle started shaking left and right ... I heard my boys running up and down the landing one night went to tell them to get back to bed and they were soundo ... was on sofa one Christmas and the crystals on one chandelier started to shake then one by one my baubles on Christmas tree fell off... my dad recently died and every day since there has been a robin in my garden first one I’ve since in 17 years .. one day was upset went to garden and asked for the robin and it appeared .. weird or coincidence? Heard my kitchen cupboards slamming from upstairs .. felt spirit sit on end of bed .. so much more xxx dont believe that. "Re the medium, see Derren Brown, he will be better than her. Shampoo bottle shaking? Where was it? Bathrooms have large changes in temperatures, humidities and when something is on a wet surface can move quite easily. Heard your boys running about but they were asleep when you checked? I think they heared you as well! Chandelier crystal shaking, could be wind or vibrations from upstairs. Baubles fall off trees all the time, sometimes when all the lights go out! Ive seen more robins in the past couple of years. Two in my garden. Once you see them, you notice them more often. As for the sudden appearance of it when you asked for it, yes it is coincidence. People dont like coincidences and are too quick to lay it at the feet of the supernatural. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. " But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes." I’ve seen derren brown I get his game but this woman I didn’t tell anything too and she predicted my future and details and name before it happend and it did I just can’t explain! She told me the man I was seeing should never meet my boyfriend as they will end in a fight .... I mean how would she know that and they ended up meeting and got in fight. She named the partner I would meet and described him and year later boom.. just weird. The shampoo bottle was up against wall corner of bath .. it was morning so nothing had been used... I know things can be explained but I checked on boys they were dead to world and literally bauble dropped off there was no draft no earth quake lol xxx | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes." There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. | |||
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"My uncles told me about when they were staying in Pembrokeshire they used to walk past a church to the local pub. One night my uncles and their friends were walking to the pub and they all saw an old lady walking across the road in front of them.. She walked to the gates of the church yard and walked straight through them (the gates were closed and she went through them and disapeared) they wondered how could she get through the bars of the gate, considering they were too narrow for a child to get through, nevermind an adult... When they were in the pub the locals over heard them talking about it.. One of the locals asked them where they saw the lady and they told the locals that they saw her by the church... The locals said what church are you talking about!? Turned out there wasn't a church there for over a hundred years "Wow how mad is that I love this stuff.. reminds me of my ex husband was a doorman and one night was doing his walk round with his partner .. he said he saw a train coming and instantly jumped and pushed him out the way to save him... well long story short obviously there was no train but after telling few people it turned out donkeys years ago there was an old railway that run thru there! Xxx | |||
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"My uncles told me about when they were staying in Pembrokeshire they used to walk past a church to the local pub. One night my uncles and their friends were walking to the pub and they all saw an old lady walking across the road in front of them.. She walked to the gates of the church yard and walked straight through them (the gates were closed and she went through them and disapeared) they wondered how could she get through the bars of the gate, considering they were too narrow for a child to get through, nevermind an adult... When they were in the pub the locals over heard them talking about it.. One of the locals asked them where they saw the lady and they told the locals that they saw her by the church... The locals said what church are you talking about!? Turned out there wasn't a church there for over a hundred years
Wow how mad is that I love this stuff.. reminds me of my ex husband was a doorman and one night was doing his walk round with his partner .. he said he saw a train coming and instantly jumped and pushed him out the way to save him... well long story short obviously there was no train but after telling few people it turned out donkeys years ago there was an old railway that run thru there! Xxx"Weird init. My uncles told me that story so many times and apparently lots of other people saw strange things in the same area. | |||
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"There’s been too much happening spirit wise for there nothing to be in it.. and just because we can’t see it doesn’t mean we can disregard it.... my dad who is not a fibber said years ago he was out on his motorbike in the moors with his mate and out of no where he came across a woman he he spoke to.. he then went on his way... my dad caught up with his friend and told him about the lady and his friend said he saw my dad stop but there was no lady! Xxx" 
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. I’ve seen derren brown I get his game but this woman I didn’t tell anything too and she predicted my future and details and name before it happend and it did I just can’t explain! She told me the man I was seeing should never meet my boyfriend as they will end in a fight .... I mean how would she know that and they ended up meeting and got in fight. She named the partner I would meet and described him and year later boom.. just weird. The shampoo bottle was up against wall corner of bath .. it was morning so nothing had been used... I know things can be explained but I checked on boys they were dead to world and literally bauble dropped off there was no draft no earth quake lol xxx" The man you were seeing and your boyfriend shouldnt meet because they will fight....I could have tod you that. You were the common denominator, they were likely to meet eventually. She described your future partner? How exact was this description? How did their foretelling effect your choices subconciously? The bath could have shook due to water pipes vibrating. My mother used to belive me and my brothers were asleep as well! Baubles drop off as the branches bend. As atmospheric conditions change, the branches on a christmas tree will sag or come up. Moisure has the biggest effect. Artificial trees are not effected. Just dont water them. Its not worth it. | |||
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"I was a regular to a spiritualist church. Nothing I heard was ever relevant or true. I'll leave the spirits in bottles! " I rather open the bottle and mix them with Coca-Cola | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. " Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. I’ve had same tree for years never have they ever fallen off like nearly all.. and I don’t have a radiator up that end... you had to be here to believe it... xxx Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. I’ve seen derren brown I get his game but this woman I didn’t tell anything too and she predicted my future and details and name before it happend and it did I just can’t explain! She told me the man I was seeing should never meet my boyfriend as they will end in a fight .... I mean how would she know that and they ended up meeting and got in fight. She named the partner I would meet and described him and year later boom.. just weird. The shampoo bottle was up against wall corner of bath .. it was morning so nothing had been used... I know things can be explained but I checked on boys they were dead to world and literally bauble dropped off there was no draft no earth quake lol xxx The man you were seeing and your boyfriend shouldnt meet because they will fight....I could have tod you that. You were the common denominator, they were likely to meet eventually. She described your future partner? How exact was this description? How did their foretelling effect your choices subconciously? The bath could have shook due to water pipes vibrating. My mother used to belive me and my brothers were asleep as well! Baubles drop off as the branches bend. As atmospheric conditions change, the branches on a christmas tree will sag or come up. Moisure has the biggest effect. Artificial trees are not effected. Just dont water them. Its not worth it. " | |||
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"I never told her my relationship status at all! Never told her anything! She told me I would meet a man called dave who was tanned and heavily into sports he would have a sports car on drive way and family in Australia... spot on... years later I saw her she told me he was cheating on me! He was! And described his work life and where he worked even down to the building! She told my cousin that she could she a man holding a birthday cake and it was her birthday but she wouldn’t of known as you literally don’t talk... she told me about my mums property abroad ... the relationship between my boys there personalities... when I turned up on her doorstep I was wanting to know about my relationship that was messing with my head I hadn’t said a thing and she said I’m not a councillor you need to make your own decisions... she’s a little old moody lady... she also told me she can see a boat and my new partner wants to buy a boat I mean come on lol I want and do believe... she through out my nans full name... so much more xxx" You are telling her things, you just dont know your doing it! Its classic cold and warm reading techniques. | |||
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"I never told her my relationship status at all! Never told her anything! She told me I would meet a man called dave who was tanned and heavily into sports he would have a sports car on drive way and family in Australia... spot on... years later I saw her she told me he was cheating on me! He was! And described his work life and where he worked even down to the building! She told my cousin that she could she a man holding a birthday cake and it was her birthday but she wouldn’t of known as you literally don’t talk... she told me about my mums property abroad ... the relationship between my boys there personalities... when I turned up on her doorstep I was wanting to know about my relationship that was messing with my head I hadn’t said a thing and she said I’m not a councillor you need to make your own decisions... she’s a little old moody lady... she also told me she can see a boat and my new partner wants to buy a boat I mean come on lol I want and do believe... she through out my nans full name... so much more xxx You are telling her things, you just dont know your doing it! Its classic cold and warm reading techniques." Lol literally so conscious about not saying anything.. I’ve got the recording I say nothing .. anyway I appreciate everyone views so all cool xxx | |||
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"Yes Im a spiritualist... but even the scientist in me knows that emergy can never die it can only change form. So what happens to your soul when your shell fails?!" Many would say what makes you think we have a soul? I believe some part of us goes on and that we are allways around.. But to be roaming around earth like ghosts, nah I don't think so. | |||
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"I do paranormal investigations and the true answer is that nobody knows the truth so saying people are fakes cuz some people are fakes is small minded, but thats their opinion and they well within there rights but theres no definet proof either way, i personally believe " Boooom! Exactly xxx | |||
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"I do paranormal investigations and the true answer is that nobody knows the truth so saying people are fakes cuz some people are fakes is small minded, but thats their opinion and they well within there rights but theres no definet proof either way, i personally believe Boooom! Exactly xxx" I doing investigations with a psychic medium and i know he is genuine as there is stuff he has told me the first time we ever met that nobody would know and when we have been on investigations he has been on a completely different floor on the opposite side of a building and has known about something that has been said or done when we meet back up | |||
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"I wish a female ghost can wank me off when I dream of a female human being wanking me off " Wooooooooooooooo. I'll do it with a bed sheet over my head if you like? | |||
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"I wish a female ghost can wank me off when I dream of a female human being wanking me off Wooooooooooooooo. I'll do it with a bed sheet over my head if you like?"  only if there is a hole in it though | |||
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"No, but I believe that the stone tape theory is possible. I believe in energies "What is stone tape? | |||
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"I don't believe that ghosts are dead people." I have had some experiences However I still think somehow an energy sometimes replays itself Not a sentient spirit, more like a recording of an event that occurred which was so powerful the energy it expelled somehow remains there and the occasionally replays itself | |||
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"No, but I believe that the stone tape theory is possible. I believe in energies
What is stone tape?"The theory that visual manifestations are recordings of things past, much like a magnetic tape strip recording sound. I've also thought about this as a possibility | |||
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"Would love to hear some of your stories Mrscxxx Ok I'll tell you briefly about something. I used to say g to a cleaner at work who worked early morning and afternoons. He was off sick so I was pleased to see him one afternoon so I said "hello" then a little later as I drove out I saw him cycle away as usual. The next day I mentioned to a colleague that it was good to see him back. She told me he'd died several weeks before. I don't have an explanation but I can't imagine that he would have made the effort to reveal himself to me. I think it was just a replay. " If I was a spirit I certainly wouldnt go back to work. But that is freaky and I'm open minded. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes." I hate Darren brown because he creates so much problems for mediums I’ve never watched him nor do I use he tricks as you call it I use my intution and it’s pretty spot on I’m still developing my skills. I’m what’s known in the profession as a developing medium Mrscxxx | |||
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"I wish a female ghost can wank me off when I dream of a female human being wanking me off " That sounds more like a succubus they can be very dangerous, they mostly drain your energy but some can kill you there not all evil as is depicted in folk lore they are seductive and bi sexual they don’t care. There is also a male version called an incubus they are more dangerous than the female Mrscxxx | |||
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"I don't believe that ghosts are dead people. I have had some experiences However I still think somehow an energy sometimes replays itself Not a sentient spirit, more like a recording of an event that occurred which was so powerful the energy it expelled somehow remains there and the occasionally replays itself" I wonder if this could be an explanation although someone on here recently said it isn't possible. Of all the things I've experienced none of them have interacted with me except the cleaner chap but he only nodded. | |||
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"What if we think they are ghosts but they are beings from other dimensions in a cross over or time travellers maybe " Or what if it's our suggestible brains? | |||
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"Mrscxxx " To my reasoning, the concepts are no more than the manifestations of the futile human mind Ie utter tosh | |||
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"Mrscxxx " Theres a lot more to the world than meets the eye, so yes, I believe in spirits. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him." The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. | |||
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"I do paranormal investigations and the true answer is that nobody knows the truth so saying people are fakes cuz some people are fakes is small minded, but thats their opinion and they well within there rights but theres no definet proof either way, i personally believe Boooom! Exactly xxx I doing investigations with a psychic medium and i know he is genuine as there is stuff he has told me the first time we ever met that nobody would know and when we have been on investigations he has been on a completely different floor on the opposite side of a building and has known about something that has been said or done when we meet back up " Was it Clinton Baptiste? He is very very good | |||
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"Why is it that none of these "spirits" are ever able to give any useful information? Why doesn't Maddy McCann's spirit tell us where her body is buried (if she's dead) or any of the Moors victims whose bodies are still missing or murder victims that could identify their killers? They only ever seem to give people information that they already know - mother's name, that a loved relative has passed etc. and people are so impressed by this they believe all the follow-on crap they get told. It's all just another pseudo-scientific religion based on fantasy, belief and misinterpretations that exploits the vulnerable. " True, and people only remember the things that the medium or the ‘spirit’ tells them that are correct and forget the other 90% which is wrong | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. " The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free | |||
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"I believe 100 percent. I regularly go to a spiritualist church and I can communicate with spirit some people call me crazy maybe I am. But all I know i help people and that is the most important thing to me I don’t charge so I’m not taking advantage of anyone Mrscxxx " so do I ,and it brings a sense of peace to me and others x storm x | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free" Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. " Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means | |||
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"Mrscxxx " Yet you have no gift that could answer my question , I call your claims false | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means " No, read again what I said early on in the debate.. The person could not know the specifics of the conversation and the details they did.. Had they made random guesses I would not have accepted them nor acknowledged them as pretty nigh on accurate and precise.. I did not furnish any information that they could work with, they came up with it.. There is no way that I know that a random stranger can name 3 people straight off then relay a conversation that only two of them know which took place 14 years prior and over 2 hundred mile away.. They can guess of course and try and build a picture with affirmation from a person but none of that happened.. I am not trying to convince you of it, it happened and that's all I am saying.. You clearly disagree and that's fine.. | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means No, read again what I said early on in the debate.. The person could not know the specifics of the conversation and the details they did.. Had they made random guesses I would not have accepted them nor acknowledged them as pretty nigh on accurate and precise.. I did not furnish any information that they could work with, they came up with it.. There is no way that I know that a random stranger can name 3 people straight off then relay a conversation that only two of them know which took place 14 years prior and over 2 hundred mile away.. They can guess of course and try and build a picture with affirmation from a person but none of that happened.. I am not trying to convince you of it, it happened and that's all I am saying.. You clearly disagree and that's fine.. " All you have said is you do not know how they knew , your inability to fathom a magic trick does not change it from being a magic trick | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free I detest mediums. Conning the grieving should be a crime. Just because they volunteer to hand money over doesn’t stop it from being theft" | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means No, read again what I said early on in the debate.. The person could not know the specifics of the conversation and the details they did.. Had they made random guesses I would not have accepted them nor acknowledged them as pretty nigh on accurate and precise.. I did not furnish any information that they could work with, they came up with it.. There is no way that I know that a random stranger can name 3 people straight off then relay a conversation that only two of them know which took place 14 years prior and over 2 hundred mile away.. They can guess of course and try and build a picture with affirmation from a person but none of that happened.. I am not trying to convince you of it, it happened and that's all I am saying.. You clearly disagree and that's fine.. All you have said is you do not know how they knew , your inability to fathom a magic trick does not change it from being a magic trick" Your inability to accept that whilst I respect you have a different view on this it's not going to change my own no matter how long you keep going on is something you may wish to consider.. | |||
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"I believe in in ghosts. I saw a pack of dobermans running across the m25 in rush hour 10 years ago. I even stopped and reported it to the police. There is no way they could have been real. I wasnt hallucinating. I've had other experiences too Do you know how to differentiate between a ghost and a hallucination manifest from your mind ? Do you know how to differentiate between a good optical illusion and reality ?" It wasn't an optical illusion. I know for sure. At the time I was trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths. The mind is a very interesting area, there is still so much we do not know. | |||
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"I believe in in ghosts. I saw a pack of dobermans running across the m25 in rush hour 10 years ago. I even stopped and reported it to the police. There is no way they could have been real. I wasnt hallucinating. I've had other experiences too Do you know how to differentiate between a ghost and a hallucination manifest from your mind ? Do you know how to differentiate between a good optical illusion and reality ? It wasn't an optical illusion. I know for sure. At the time I was trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths. The mind is a very interesting area, there is still so much we do not know. " My opinion that's complete nonsense You cannot know for sure that it was neither a hallucination or an optical illusion , that's the point , you cannot and thus do not know | |||
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"I believe in in ghosts. I saw a pack of dobermans running across the m25 in rush hour 10 years ago. I even stopped and reported it to the police. There is no way they could have been real. I wasnt hallucinating. I've had other experiences too Do you know how to differentiate between a ghost and a hallucination manifest from your mind ? Do you know how to differentiate between a good optical illusion and reality ? It wasn't an optical illusion. I know for sure. At the time I was trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths. The mind is a very interesting area, there is still so much we do not know. My opinion that's complete nonsense You cannot know for sure that it was neither a hallucination or an optical illusion , that's the point , you cannot and thus do not know " Can't have been. They were trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths... fact. | |||
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"I believe in in ghosts. I saw a pack of dobermans running across the m25 in rush hour 10 years ago. I even stopped and reported it to the police. There is no way they could have been real. I wasnt hallucinating. I've had other experiences too Do you know how to differentiate between a ghost and a hallucination manifest from your mind ? Do you know how to differentiate between a good optical illusion and reality ? It wasn't an optical illusion. I know for sure. At the time I was trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths. The mind is a very interesting area, there is still so much we do not know. My opinion that's complete nonsense You cannot know for sure that it was neither a hallucination or an optical illusion , that's the point , you cannot and thus do not know Can't have been. They were trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths... fact. " | |||
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"One of my best friends is a medium ... another is an extra large
Cheap gag aside, he is
I was / still am cynical, but he has made me think
I've had a few moments with stuff he's come out with"shouldn't that be stuff coming out of him ...like ectoplasm | |||
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"One of my best friends is a medium ... another is an extra large
Cheap gag aside, he is
I was / still am cynical, but he has made me think
I've had a few moments with stuff he's come out with shouldn't that be stuff coming out of him ...like ectoplasm "If it did, I didn't notice | |||
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"I believe in in ghosts. I saw a pack of dobermans running across the m25 in rush hour 10 years ago. I even stopped and reported it to the police. There is no way they could have been real. I wasnt hallucinating. I've had other experiences too Do you know how to differentiate between a ghost and a hallucination manifest from your mind ? Do you know how to differentiate between a good optical illusion and reality ? It wasn't an optical illusion. I know for sure. At the time I was trained to pick up on different spiritual wavelengths. The mind is a very interesting area, there is still so much we do not know. " So when you say trained to pick up on wavelengths you mean your were introduced to lucid dreaming ! Of course your dreams seem real, yet I'll guarantee you have zero validation that your visions were anything other than manifestations of your own mind The constant theme is always validation There are many illustrations of trickery, but no one ever has stepped into a controlled observation and demonstrated and claim | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means No, read again what I said early on in the debate.. The person could not know the specifics of the conversation and the details they did.. Had they made random guesses I would not have accepted them nor acknowledged them as pretty nigh on accurate and precise.. I did not furnish any information that they could work with, they came up with it.. There is no way that I know that a random stranger can name 3 people straight off then relay a conversation that only two of them know which took place 14 years prior and over 2 hundred mile away.. They can guess of course and try and build a picture with affirmation from a person but none of that happened.. I am not trying to convince you of it, it happened and that's all I am saying.. You clearly disagree and that's fine.. All you have said is you do not know how they knew , your inability to fathom a magic trick does not change it from being a magic trick Your inability to accept that whilst I respect you have a different view on this it's not going to change my own no matter how long you keep going on is something you may wish to consider.. " | |||
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"I was very sceptical till a complete stranger who had never met any of my friends or family and in fact lived several hundred mile away relayed a conversation very accurately that I had on my mums death bed with her some 14 years after the event.. And the conversation was something I had only ever shared with my wife, not even my brothers and sisters.. Knew my name and my wife's name too.. So I don't know, looking at it using logic there is no 'scientific' answer.. But you wont be covering all the angles like this person would. Please, watch a Derren Brown video and see just what sort of tricks they can do to get info out of you without you being aware. Any conmen can do what they do. If anyone is tempted to see one of these people, ask them if its ok to film and/or record the event, so you can watch it back to study later. I bet they wont say yes. There was no con, no money etc was involved so there was no 'catch' or angles to be covered .. I was not seeking any answers, the finality of life is something I know full well having dealt with the effects during a long term career in a blue light service.. I actually offered no information whatsoever during, I did confirm the accuracy but did not assist in any building of what had happened.. Had it not been accurate equally I would have said.. I don't see the need to have someone like Derren Brown who makes a lot of money in doing what he does offer any of his answers or suggestions, it may suit some to have that as a more acceptable explanation for whatever but each to their own.. Or they just struck lucky? As ive said in this thread, people dont like coincidences. Derren Brown does what he does because he knows all of these peoples are frauds.He wants to expose them. I dont blame him. The person not only knew my mums name and the initial of her middle name but how her name was altered by those who knew her.. Not personally bothered about coincidences, I went along partially to be able to say it was all a bit bunkum but also out of curiosity and I've not been back or explored it further as it was what it was.. It's interesting that your faith in one person seems to have closed your mind to anything other than what he says? No one knows it all and we certainly as a species don't know all there is yet or even if we ever will do but having a closed mind is not the way we learn.. The point was clear , amazed as you are you have experienced nothing that magicians have been performing for hundreds of years The only way you can decisively say you have not been tricked by a magician would be for you to KNOW how all magicians trick their audience and to control against all of their possible methods Magic tricks ARE astounding and defy the understanding that's their magic , however what we always know despite OUR inability to fathom the method , is that there is a trick All mediums are con artists even those who do it for free Am not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anything that people already think, I have simply stated what happened.. Have seen magicians and well aware of how and what they do but this was a series of very accurate facts and a pretty spot on description of a specific conversation and the details of that by a person who could not have known all they did.. There was no vague searching by them with contributions upon which they built a story that just sounded similar.. Exactly the con artist knew , just as magicians do , via methods you do not know . Cold reading is only on of their many methods which in some cases include, pick pocket , bag search , home visits , and many other means No, read again what I said early on in the debate.. The person could not know the specifics of the conversation and the details they did.. Had they made random guesses I would not have accepted them nor acknowledged them as pretty nigh on accurate and precise.. I did not furnish any information that they could work with, they came up with it.. There is no way that I know that a random stranger can name 3 people straight off then relay a conversation that only two of them know which took place 14 years prior and over 2 hundred mile away.. They can guess of course and try and build a picture with affirmation from a person but none of that happened.. I am not trying to convince you of it, it happened and that's all I am saying.. You clearly disagree and that's fine.. All you have said is you do not know how they knew , your inability to fathom a magic trick does not change it from being a magic trick Your inability to accept that whilst I respect you have a different view on this it's not going to change my own no matter how long you keep going on is something you may wish to consider.. "I'm not trying to change your mind , for all I may know you maybe complicit in the con ? I'm highlighting the the assumptions you have made and that the outcome you describe is by no means an illustration that a person is communicating with a mind that once inhabited a body And that no such claim has EVER been independently verified I feel even complicity with the con is distasteful | |||
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"I 100% beleve there is something there, I used to work in a huge wearhouse and there was a old elevated viewing platform (dark in places) at times when you turned your head to look at something you would catch a large shadowy figure standing up there in the corner of your eye. I always put it down to me seeing things until one day a colleague saw me do a double take and said “you have seen it to”. Laying here right now with goose bumps and hairs on end thinking about it "wow | |||
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"I 100% beleve there is something there, I used to work in a huge wearhouse and there was a old elevated viewing platform (dark in places) at times when you turned your head to look at something you would catch a large shadowy figure standing up there in the corner of your eye. I always put it down to me seeing things until one day a colleague saw me do a double take and said “you have seen it to”. Laying here right now with goose bumps and hairs on end thinking about it wow "Lots and lots of other creepy shit happened in that bulding, heavy doors slamming, things going missing only to turn up again two seconds later, really was a creepy weird place tbh | |||
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