FabSwingers.com forum: Is the position of Pope part of an organized criminal network?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

No to all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No to all."
Thank you for your deep thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?"

He doesn’t wear a suit , it is a cassock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its the pope in black robes that really bothers me!!

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

His friends call him 'H'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?"
I know a lot of people where I live who would happily do a bit on him for free.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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No he is not like a mafia godfather. He is much worse than that, he is more like the queen of England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Part of a peado network

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the pope and his "gang" would be as shady as that. I think if anything the Catholic churches "cosa nostra" would be underage boys and girls, and that's not to say all are doing it but it's well documented that it occurs a lot within the Catholic Church

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

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"No to all.Thank you for your deep thoughts."
at least it was straight to the point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happens when the pope dies?

Another one popes up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s an ancient organisation that has failed to move quickly enough with modern times.

It’s tried to keep its dirty laundry in house as everyone used to and not embraced the openness it should have.

The Catholic Church has many critics, and for this reason it’s still being secretive, in my opinion wrongly. However, it’s natural to not want to open yourself up to criticism.

Is it an organised criminal network? No. Is it a network that condones child abuse? No, although it undoubtedly has had a problem with it in the past that it’s tried to cover up. I don’t doubt there are individuals still doing it, but it’s not with the connivance of the organisation.

It’s still a powerful institution that does do lots of good around the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s an ancient organisation that has failed to move quickly enough with modern times.

It’s tried to keep its dirty laundry in house as everyone used to and not embraced the openness it should have.

The Catholic Church has many critics, and for this reason it’s still being secretive, in my opinion wrongly. However, it’s natural to not want to open yourself up to criticism.

It’s still a powerful institution that does do lots of good around the world. "

To mask the truth of there abhorrent ancient practices perhaps? That still happen to this day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s an ancient organisation that has failed to move quickly enough with modern times.

It’s tried to keep its dirty laundry in house as everyone used to and not embraced the openness it should have.

The Catholic Church has many critics, and for this reason it’s still being secretive, in my opinion wrongly. However, it’s natural to not want to open yourself up to criticism.

It’s still a powerful institution that does do lots of good around the world.

To mask the truth of there abhorrent ancient practices perhaps? That still happen to this day"

Which ancient practices??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It’s an ancient organisation that has failed to move quickly enough with modern times.

It’s tried to keep its dirty laundry in house as everyone used to and not embraced the openness it should have.

The Catholic Church has many critics, and for this reason it’s still being secretive, in my opinion wrongly. However, it’s natural to not want to open yourself up to criticism.

It’s still a powerful institution that does do lots of good around the world.

To mask the truth of there abhorrent ancient practices perhaps? That still happen to this day

Which ancient practices??"
They didn't say ancient practises, you said that. They said it was an ancient organization.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s an ancient organisation that has failed to move quickly enough with modern times.

It’s tried to keep its dirty laundry in house as everyone used to and not embraced the openness it should have.

The Catholic Church has many critics, and for this reason it’s still being secretive, in my opinion wrongly. However, it’s natural to not want to open yourself up to criticism.

It’s still a powerful institution that does do lots of good around the world.

To mask the truth of there abhorrent ancient practices perhaps? That still happen to this day

Which ancient practices?? They didn't say ancient practises, you said that. They said it was an ancient organization."

No they didn’t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?"

yes to all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happens when the pope dies?

Another one popes up! "

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Apparently at one of the votes for a new Pope may years ago there was a cardinal Sicola who if elected would have become Pope Sicola.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"No to all.

Thank you for your deep thoughts."

My answer was succinct. That doesn't meen it wasn't deeply thought.

*you're welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently at one of the votes for a new Pope may years ago there was a cardinal Sicola who if elected would have become Pope Sicola."

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The practises of the organization

Are as ancent as the organization.

And are older then any version of the bible we are told about.

Like why is there a white pope (white robes)spreader of love and peace. And a black pope( black robes)under the order of the black pope (superiour general to give him his full name) love and peace is far from the top of the list. But what the fudge do i know

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The practises of the organization

Are as ancent as the organization.

And are older then any version of the bible we are told about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No to all.Thank you for your deep thoughts. at least it was straight to the point

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Well the last point is contradictory to the rest you can't have both!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

yes to all "
The last point contradicts the rest so there can be no blanket statement like you made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No to all.

Thank you for your deep thoughts.

My answer was succinct. That doesn't meen it wasn't deeply thought.

*you're welcome"
Do you have an opinion about the position of Pope?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a religious leader who those who follow him will remain loyal to. Those who don't will somewhere between indifferent to hostile.

I'm in the indifferent camp and very happy to ignore.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

All religions are a Ponzi system just a simple Triangle where collect money from the poor for the rich .

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"No to all.Thank you for your deep thoughts. at least it was straight to the point

Well the last point is contradictory to the rest you can't have both!"

The last question has a yes or no answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the Roman empire renamed. They just said am the boss,if you don't do as I tell you we will kill you.

They only say you can't get married because it was lossing land to children.

God never once anywhere you can't have kids. But some people think it's the word of God.

The so called Holly book is just the best bits a group of guy's picked out and added to a few stories to control people.

They have billions and billions but every day it's we need your money.

They stop priests from having children but anyone else it's a sin.

Yet again the more children the more money.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"What happens when the pope dies?

Another one popes up! "

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?"

Criminal network.. I reckon all powerful organisations have their hit squad and break/ manipulate the law. He can't be seen to get his hands dirty so I imagine theres much he doesnt know or want to.

I don't know who's above him well except for God so I'd say he's pretty high up there.

Of course they must try to hold and expand territory. They can't afford a dwindling flock.

I would like to think he was a good guy and I dont hold him personally responsible for the sins of his predecessors.

The church has previously been utterly ruthless and probably still could be.

I wouldn't kiss his ring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His friends call him 'H'"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?"

or just the gate keeper to eternal happiness (repent or be burnt!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's been far too much cover up from priests abusing young people and nuns for me to believe this is a sustainable religion. If I was Catholic I'd be embarrassed and renounce my faith. If the leaders won't admit their mistakes, how can you believe?!

Corruption and abuse. Appalling!

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

or just the gate keeper to eternal happiness (repent or be burnt!) "

I'm hedging my bets

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"There's been far too much cover up from priests abusing young people and nuns for me to believe this is a sustainable religion. If I was Catholic I'd be embarrassed and renounce my faith. If the leaders won't admit their mistakes, how can you believe?!

Corruption and abuse. Appalling! "

There can never ever be an excuse for abuse. Unfortunately in life there are good and bad. I do feel for those that live their lives for the good and tarnished with the bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Corruption and abuse. Appalling!

There can never ever be an excuse for abuse. Unfortunately in life there are good and bad. I do feel for those that live their lives for the good and tarnished with the bad"

Unfortunately there's been too many people in a position of power shrouded by religion who have been allowed to get away with abuse.

This would not be allowed in the public sector but it's gone under the radar for far too long. Safeguarding procedures in religious sectors needs to seriously tighten up!

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

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Corruption and abuse. Appalling!

There can never ever be an excuse for abuse. Unfortunately in life there are good and bad. I do feel for those that live their lives for the good and tarnished with the bad

Unfortunately there's been too many people in a position of power shrouded by religion who have been allowed to get away with abuse.

This would not be allowed in the public sector but it's gone under the radar for far too long. Safeguarding procedures in religious sectors needs to seriously tighten up!"

I would not disagree with that. Safeguarding measures for the vulnerable and in general are a must. Lessons should be learnt and those things never repeated. Abuse comes in many forms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just the vulnerable that need safeguarding. Anyone is vulnerable with someone in a position of power. It's when they're not believed and no action is taken when someone is outspoken. I've just watched the documentary about the church on this. It's absolutely disgusting!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No he is not like a mafia godfather. He is much worse than that, he is more like the queen of England."
More of a meet and greet type?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

Criminal network.. I reckon all powerful organisations have their hit squad and break/ manipulate the law. He can't be seen to get his hands dirty so I imagine theres much he doesnt know or want to.

I don't know who's above him well except for God so I'd say he's pretty high up there.

Of course they must try to hold and expand territory. They can't afford a dwindling flock.

I would like to think he was a good guy and I dont hold him personally responsible for the sins of his predecessors.

The church has previously been utterly ruthless and probably still could be.

I wouldn't kiss his ring."
I like your answer!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

He doesn’t wear a suit , it is a cassock

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Is that the word for sack?...I was being more kind to him!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What happens when the pope dies?

Another one popes up! "
Thumb! A nice crack, the joke I mean!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently at one of the votes for a new Pope may years ago there was a cardinal Sicola who if elected would have become Pope Sicola."
A fun insert!

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"If so what position does he take in the hierachy?

Is he the Godfather or does he hold another position?

Does he use a Congsigliere, captains or footsoldiers?

Does he pull the strings from the background,or are his strings being pulled?

Does the organization try to hold and expand territory?

Has the organization ever killed anyone?

Does he have associates,partners in crime?

Or is he just a nice misunderstood old guy in a white suit and hat?

Criminal network.. I reckon all powerful organisations have their hit squad and break/ manipulate the law. He can't be seen to get his hands dirty so I imagine theres much he doesnt know or want to.

I don't know who's above him well except for God so I'd say he's pretty high up there.

Of course they must try to hold and expand territory. They can't afford a dwindling flock.

I would like to think he was a good guy and I dont hold him personally responsible for the sins of his predecessors.

The church has previously been utterly ruthless and probably still could be.

I wouldn't kiss his ring. I like your answer! "

Thanks

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise "
So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?

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By *iamond coupleCouple
over a year ago

leeds

I was surprised to learn that the Vatican City has the youngest age of consent in the world. I haven’t checked the fact so would not be surprised at being told am wrong

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I was surprised to learn that the Vatican City has the youngest age of consent in the world. I haven’t checked the fact so would not be surprised at being told am wrong"
They have changed the law to raise the age of consent during the term of the present pope. What that means I don't know? As little of the info I have read in response to your post is clear. They supposedly had the lowest age of consent in Europe along with Italy for a period of time until Italy raised theirs.

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By *iamond coupleCouple
over a year ago

leeds

I have just read that the age of consent for girls in Vatican City is 14....if they are married? Have I read this wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's head of the biggest deception this world has ever seen..... religion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's head of the biggest deception this world has ever seen..... religion"
Or is it a matter of finding the gold among the rest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?"

The pope is voted in by the Cardinals , it is all very secretive . It is highly unlikely he would be a moron , ultimately he makes the big decisions

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?

The pope is voted in by the Cardinals , it is all very secretive . It is highly unlikely he would be a moron , ultimately he makes the big decisions "
....and only Cardinals can become Pope, some of the 'saints' wouldn't even stand a chance! Smells like a tightly run organization!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?

The pope is voted in by the Cardinals , it is all very secretive . It is highly unlikely he would be a moron , ultimately he makes the big decisions ....and only Cardinals can become Pope, some of the 'saints' wouldn't even stand a chance! Smells like a tightly run organization!"
Or is it that you only become a 'saint' after death so that may count out some of the good men and women! What good is all that then...

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over a year ago

"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?

You have to be a priest to be a bishop, a bishop

to be a cardinal, a cardinal to be a pope, it probably takes 35/40 years to become the pope, very few cardinals actually want to get the main job . It’s not like politicians or CEOs who would do anything to get promoted

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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"It can do but the organisation can still operate illegal or wrong practices without the actual involvement of the pope, as can happen in many organisations, religious or otherwise So he would be a front man, a meet and greet type, ignorant of any shenanigans? They would have to have morons in that post, are they that?"

I'm sure they are a mix - it's the others that elect him. If the whole organisation was corrupt, except for him, he would surely know it. If pockets of corrupt people were in it, they may have sufficient liberty and skill to evade identification and punishment. In any organisation of thousands of people, it's reasonable to conclude that there are many corrupt people. Good managers don't micro-manage but ought to understand their organisation, as well as seek to improve it and cultivate a healthy system, of good for the world.

The church, as have others, has blemishes within its history. Some is explicable due to their eras and other contextual influences and information. People who seek to lead may also be motivated by unwholesome reasons, such as access to money, power itself, people, sex and influence. It can also be a tool to become somewhat or fully above the law.

I don't know much about many Popes, though some were perhaps not even strong believers in the truth of their religion. For many years the RC church operated with little competition and many people were believers or practitioners of it, due to fear. I'm not a fan of people who use coercion or frightening others to extract compliance, money or blind obedience, for their own gain. Earlier religions likely did incorporate some or all of these to help social control, which leaders gained direct and indirect benefits from.

We can't determine an organization or persons morality free the past, though it may help us toevaluate it more wisely, if we don't overlook it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"His friends call him 'H'"
HH His holiness, that's some title to bear! I'm starting to feel sorry for the Guy! They've made a real rod for his back..unless that's the norm for those guys!

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"His friends call him 'H'HH His holiness, that's some title to bear! I'm starting to feel sorry for the Guy! They've made a real rod for his back..unless that's the norm for those guys!"

His Holiness the Dali Lama seems to carry the HH title very well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"His friends call him 'H'HH His holiness, that's some title to bear! I'm starting to feel sorry for the Guy! They've made a real rod for his back..unless that's the norm for those guys!

His Holiness the Dali Lama seems to carry the HH title very well.

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Must admit he has a nice smile.

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