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"Off site conversation this week- woman said her husband had emotionally abused her. She struggled to give examples. Man said, "That's not abuse. He didn't hit you." What are your thoughts? Is emotional abuse a real thing?" Of course it's a thing! | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing" The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. " That’s becayse that’s not emotional abuse. It’s like the kids coming home because someone nicked a pen and now they’re being bullied. Saying someone is shit and making them feel a bit crap isn’t abuse. Telling a person that they are worthless over and over to the point they feel worthless is emotional abuse. Making someone believe something is their fault because they are not doing as they should over and over is abuse. Blaming, shaming often external to the relationship is emotional abuse. Constant criticism and name calling is emotional abuse. Abusers are manipulative, often narcissistic and generally hold the balance of power. The abused can be forced into submission of suffer depression to different degrees. | |||
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"It’s so real & so damaging that ther’s consultation to make it into a criminal offence. There’s already a criminal offence of controlling & coercive behaviour within relationships " Really? In that case I’m getting my wife sent to jail | |||
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"Yes my ex used to and still does at times use the kids as a weapon to manipulate me im not sure she realises she does it mind you" Same situation here | |||
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"Yes it's not only real, but it's common. I myself was a victim on more than one occasion, and with more than one partner, I look at my wife now and can't imagine ever feeling that I had no option but to stay after I had been broken down emotionally, my wife actually loves and respects me, never tries to manipulate me, I'm blessed. There was a point when I was made to feel useless" Don't see yourself as a victim of it be a survivor of it. That's how I view it x | |||
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"Off site conversation this week- woman said her husband had emotionally abused her. She struggled to give examples. Man said, "That's not abuse. He didn't hit you." What are your thoughts? Is emotional abuse a real thing?" Yup Absolutely | |||
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"Yes it's not only real, but it's common. I myself was a victim on more than one occasion, and with more than one partner, I look at my wife now and can't imagine ever feeling that I had no option but to stay after I had been broken down emotionally, my wife actually loves and respects me, never tries to manipulate me, I'm blessed. There was a point when I was made to feel useless Don't see yourself as a victim of it be a survivor of it. That's how I view it x" I WAS a victim, but no more, and as for survivor, I probably am, but life is so much better now it just feels like it was a TV show I used to watch | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. " Eroding their self confidence. e.g. on a night out just before going into the venue my friends ex said "try not to be an idiot tonight eh?" She was quite shy but lovely and very intelligent and empathetic. He then made comments about her outfit. Later in the evening he was standing with her talking to friends and they were discussing food, he said while pretending to joke "I prefer takeaway if I'm not cooking. She's a bit useless in the kitchen". Every time he had a chance in public to pretend he was joking and put her down he did. She eventually got free but took years to recover. | |||
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"Yes it is real and it can happen to anyone. It's about manipulation, gaslighting and making the other person feel worthless. Ultimately its about control and is far more subtle and insidious than physical abuse. " Along with coercive control | |||
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"Emotional abuse is very real and shockingly prevalent in society, mostly because it's a negative learnt behaviour that achieves the abusers selfish and perverse goals. It's the dark subtle practice of gaining control over someone by undermining, isolating and confusing their target into denial and silence. Emotional abuse is the death of a persons self esteem and mental peace by a thousand privately administered cuts. The abuser will mess with your head by keeping you off balance emotionally. It's a toxic abuse that leaves no physical evidence, an undetectable but debilitating poisoning." In my experience the perpetrators of this type of abuse are not conscious of what they are doing because to them it’s just a way of being. An abuser can exist in their own version of reality & be entirely oblivious to causing harm to another person as in their version of reality their behaviour is totally justified. The cause is usually the perpetrator’s underlying low self esteem, bizarrely. | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. " I agree saying it like that can sound as if it isn't anything but it is. The important thing here is to educate people and teach them to recognise and name the behaviour. Boyfriend keeps asking me to have sex, I think I'm going to do it just to get it over with and get peace, he says I'm giving him blue balls and being an uptight bitch. Recognise-coercion If asked to have sex and you say no a respectful human will accept this answer. Girlfriend says I'm a bit of an idiot, says her last boyfriend was better. Says I'm not much of a man. Recognise-emotional abuse If someone loves you then they accept you as you are and don't make you feel bad or worthless. My husband hates my family I've hardly seen them this past year. He says we only need each other. I miss them but the fight isn't worth it. Recognise-isolation and control If a partner keeps you away from both friends and family it's called isolation. It makes you more vulnerable when people who love you cannot see and support you. My girlfriend says I'm getting fat, I always thought I was fit but she says I'm oblivious. She's put me on a diet and I'm really self conscious about my body now. My mate said it was bullshit but she knows me best? She just wants what's best for me. Recognise-physical abuse, emotional abuse gaslighting Telling a partner they're crazy, stupid, ugly, delusional. Controlling their diet eroding their confidence. Gaslighting is very common in abusive relationships. Telling a partner they are wrong in the face of clear evidence otherwise. When someone is abusive they chip away at their victims sense of self until the victim sometimes beloved they are insane and their abuser is correct. The name was taken from a novel called Fanny by Gaslight (no sniggering you lot) The synopsis will explain why this was the source of the current phrase. | |||
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"Were you really expecting many no's? Of course its real, shit loads of it happens in this very forum. Difficult one to police and judge though because its so personal.... Plus the perp's can be super manipulative and charming with everyone else.... " I wanted to word it in a way that someone would agree with the man and say why they thought it's *not* abuse. I want to understand those thoughts from that viewpoint. | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. Eroding their self confidence. e.g. on a night out just before going into the venue my friends ex said "try not to be an idiot tonight eh?" She was quite shy but lovely and very intelligent and empathetic. He then made comments about her outfit. Later in the evening he was standing with her talking to friends and they were discussing food, he said while pretending to joke "I prefer takeaway if I'm not cooking. She's a bit useless in the kitchen". Every time he had a chance in public to pretend he was joking and put her down he did. She eventually got free but took years to recover." Yes this- but I'm struggling to explain as the man just thinks her boyfriend was 'joking'. Such as in your example. | |||
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"Emotional abuse is very real and shockingly prevalent in society, mostly because it's a negative learnt behaviour that achieves the abusers selfish and perverse goals. It's the dark subtle practice of gaining control over someone by undermining, isolating and confusing their target into denial and silence. Emotional abuse is the death of a persons self esteem and mental peace by a thousand privately administered cuts. The abuser will mess with your head by keeping you off balance emotionally. It's a toxic abuse that leaves no physical evidence, an undetectable but debilitating poisoning." Death by a thousand cuts. That no-one sees and won't believe. | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. That’s becayse that’s not emotional abuse. It’s like the kids coming home because someone nicked a pen and now they’re being bullied. Saying someone is shit and making them feel a bit crap isn’t abuse. Telling a person that they are worthless over and over to the point they feel worthless is emotional abuse. Making someone believe something is their fault because they are not doing as they should over and over is abuse. Blaming, shaming often external to the relationship is emotional abuse. Constant criticism and name calling is emotional abuse. Abusers are manipulative, often narcissistic and generally hold the balance of power. The abused can be forced into submission of suffer depression to different degrees. " Exactly all that, I went through that and much more at the hands of my ex husband. I will never be the person I was before and in some ways that’s good. X | |||
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"Yes it is! Very much so It can make a person small and meak when in reality they can be so much more It can destroy a persons confidence Cant belive someone said it isnt a thing The woman is my friend and she was absolutely heartbroken. I've been trying to explain to the man what emotional abuse is but I'm struggling. 'Saying someone is shit all the time and making them feel crap' just sounds a bit daft. That’s becayse that’s not emotional abuse. It’s like the kids coming home because someone nicked a pen and now they’re being bullied. Saying someone is shit and making them feel a bit crap isn’t abuse. Telling a person that they are worthless over and over to the point they feel worthless is emotional abuse. Making someone believe something is their fault because they are not doing as they should over and over is abuse. Blaming, shaming often external to the relationship is emotional abuse. Constant criticism and name calling is emotional abuse. Abusers are manipulative, often narcissistic and generally hold the balance of power. The abused can be forced into submission of suffer depression to different degrees. " ^ this. Anyone who thinks abuse is somehow limited to something physical is an idiot. | |||
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"Emotional abuse is very real and shockingly prevalent in society, mostly because it's a negative learnt behaviour that achieves the abusers selfish and perverse goals. It's the dark subtle practice of gaining control over someone by undermining, isolating and confusing their target into denial and silence. Emotional abuse is the death of a persons self esteem and mental peace by a thousand privately administered cuts. The abuser will mess with your head by keeping you off balance emotionally. It's a toxic abuse that leaves no physical evidence, an undetectable but debilitating poisoning." Absolutely good point!! | |||
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"Off site conversation this week- woman said her husband had emotionally abused her. She struggled to give examples. Man said, "That's not abuse. He didn't hit you." What are your thoughts? Is emotional abuse a real thing?" to be honest I think in many ways it can be more damaging than physical abuse.. it is very real abuse | |||
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"Emotional abuse is very real and shockingly prevalent in society, mostly because it's a negative learnt behaviour that achieves the abusers selfish and perverse goals. It's the dark subtle practice of gaining control over someone by undermining, isolating and confusing their target into denial and silence. Emotional abuse is the death of a persons self esteem and mental peace by a thousand privately administered cuts. The abuser will mess with your head by keeping you off balance emotionally. It's a toxic abuse that leaves no physical evidence, an undetectable but debilitating poisoning. In my experience the perpetrators of this type of abuse are not conscious of what they are doing because to them it’s just a way of being. An abuser can exist in their own version of reality & be entirely oblivious to causing harm to another person as in their version of reality their behaviour is totally justified. The cause is usually the perpetrator’s underlying low self esteem, bizarrely. " I disagree that they are oblivious. In my experience they've known exactly what they were doing. The penny dropped when I pulled him on behaviour (mostly kept quiet for a quiet life) and he said oh that's just the way I am. But that was untrue. He chose who and when to be verbally aggressive. He never did it to men. If it had been something he genuinely couldn't control it would have happened right across the board. Emotional abusers are expert manipulators. They might be oblivious to the extent of pain and damage they cause, but to say they're not conscious of what they're doing is b@llocks. | |||
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"This thread is a bit triggering. I'm sorry so many people have been at the receiving end of such damaging behaviour " I'm not someone you know but if it's dragging up stuff for you do you have a friend to call/text talk it out if needed? | |||
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"Emotional abuse is very real and shockingly prevalent in society, mostly because it's a negative learnt behaviour that achieves the abusers selfish and perverse goals. It's the dark subtle practice of gaining control over someone by undermining, isolating and confusing their target into denial and silence. Emotional abuse is the death of a persons self esteem and mental peace by a thousand privately administered cuts. The abuser will mess with your head by keeping you off balance emotionally. It's a toxic abuse that leaves no physical evidence, an undetectable but debilitating poisoning. In my experience the perpetrators of this type of abuse are not conscious of what they are doing because to them it’s just a way of being. An abuser can exist in their own version of reality & be entirely oblivious to causing harm to another person as in their version of reality their behaviour is totally justified. The cause is usually the perpetrator’s underlying low self esteem, bizarrely. I disagree that they are oblivious. In my experience they've known exactly what they were doing. The penny dropped when I pulled him on behaviour (mostly kept quiet for a quiet life) and he said oh that's just the way I am. But that was untrue. He chose who and when to be verbally aggressive. He never did it to men. If it had been something he genuinely couldn't control it would have happened right across the board. Emotional abusers are expert manipulators. They might be oblivious to the extent of pain and damage they cause, but to say they're not conscious of what they're doing is b@llocks. " All abusers unless they are chronically mentally ill are conscious of their behaviour and are accountable for it. They may be insecure, needy, have ridiculous expectations of relationships (at best). At worse they are violent narcissistic and hypersensitive. Some will have undiagnosed or untreated mental conditions but that does not relieve them of their responsibility. They may try to deny or minimise their behaviour. They may feel shame after which is why the abuser can hit out then overwhelm the victim in love and affection. In all cases the victim is not responsible. For all of us who have lived through this I extend my love and admiration. I am a strong independent woman and i was part of a relationship like that. We do survive. We do recover. Eventually. V x | |||
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"This thread is a bit triggering. I'm sorry so many people have been at the receiving end of such damaging behaviour I'm not someone you know but if it's dragging up stuff for you do you have a friend to call/text talk it out if needed? " Thanks, that's lovely of you but I'm OK. | |||
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"This thread is a bit triggering. I'm sorry so many people have been at the receiving end of such damaging behaviour " I'm sorry. Xx | |||
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"Lots of really helpful information, thank you. I can't reply to all posts individually but I've read them all and I'll pass on the info, especially the ones from Relate sites etc. . The 'man' in the OP who said it's not abuse, is my mate's 15 year old son. The abusive ex is her son's dad. This is why it's really difficult. We think his dad has said his mum is lying and making it sound worse than it was. (Undermining/ gaslighting) They split up 10 years ago and her son was too young to remember what went on. And why she's heartbroken- her own son is siding with her ex and doesn't believe the abuse was real." That's not unusual. | |||
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"This thread is a bit triggering. I'm sorry so many people have been at the receiving end of such damaging behaviour I'm sorry. Xx " No need to apologise, it's an important conversations to have xx | |||
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"Lots of really helpful information, thank you. I can't reply to all posts individually but I've read them all and I'll pass on the info, especially the ones from Relate sites etc. . The 'man' in the OP who said it's not abuse, is my mate's 15 year old son. The abusive ex is her son's dad. This is why it's really difficult. We think his dad has said his mum is lying and making it sound worse than it was. (Undermining/ gaslighting) They split up 10 years ago and her son was too young to remember what went on. And why she's heartbroken- her own son is siding with her ex and doesn't believe the abuse was real." It sounds like his dad has brainwashed him. Sadly parents can sometimes try and do that with kids as they're likely to trust whatever their parents say is true. That said at 15 i would be wanting to hear both sides of the story and would have been wary of siding with one parent or the other. I really feel for ypur friend as it sounds like an awful situation to be in. My parents split when I was young and my mum in particular has made a lot of accusations avout my dad, but i'm aware both have their own version of events so it's hard to know what isn't and is truthful. I've suffered emotional abuse in the past so i know all too well it's real. At 15 I knew all too well it is a real thing. Not all teenagers have the experience or maturity to rralise this though. The sticks and stones phrase is very inaccurate I think. | |||
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"Off site conversation this week- woman said her husband had emotionally abused her. She struggled to give examples. Man said, "That's not abuse. He didn't hit you." What are your thoughts? Is emotional abuse a real thing?" Yep! Fear, dread, anxiety..... not great | |||
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