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Why do councils never grit pavements?

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By *UNCHBOX OP   Man
over a year ago

folkestone

Why is the councils seem to want to grit roads but dont seem to want to make the pavements safe?. Seems like a false economy if they are doing it on cost grounds, because the A&E departments must be flooded with broken wrist, arms etc with people slipping up.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Some do, the one near me recently was more like a frigging beach.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Probably because it would be massively labour intensified.....with councils cutting staff all over the country it's not really feasible for most councils.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I found myself walking on the road to work a couple of times in the snow,Felt safer then walking on the pavement at the time

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By *landleeCouple
over a year ago

near hull

cos there tight gits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is the councils seem to want to grit roads but dont seem to want to make the pavements safe?. Seems like a false economy if they are doing it on cost grounds, because the A&E departments must be flooded with broken wrist, arms etc with people slipping up. "

Salt in any quantity will kill plants. If they did the pavements then they would end up with damage claims for hedges. Also with cars parked besides the roads there would have to be a separate spreading system and you can imagine that would be expensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably because it would be massively labour intensified.....with councils cutting staff all over the country it's not really feasible for most councils."

They didn't grit the pavements when they weren't facing cuts. Although some places are gritted, like outside our dr's surgery, but the problem with that is people trapse it indoors because they're too lazy to wipe their feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ...

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well, we had a bit of snow last saturday night, by sunday lunch time the council had been round and swept all the main paths, everything was completely cleared

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ..."

Yeah a good old bit of enforced labour....maybe when the weather clears up we can have them in chaingangs digging out ditches.....damn those lazy dole wallers....

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By *un and fortyCouple
over a year ago

a town near you

have you realisticaly thought how much footpath a council would have to salt to make everywhere walkable? . it would be totaly mad to even try

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

I think though that if everybody just cleared there on pavements we would be half way there. In Germany it is the law to clear your own pavement. We did ours at the weekend it took 5 minutes. If everyone just did there own bit it would be helpful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ..."

Why not make them do it naked or get them singing songs together while they wear bright orange boiler suits.

That'll teach em the error of their ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they grit the pavements and someone slips and injures themselves he council are liable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think though that if everybody just cleared there on pavements we would be half way there. In Germany it is the law to clear your own pavement. We did ours at the weekend it took 5 minutes. If everyone just did there own bit it would be helpful."

Great idea and I'd do it.

Except for one day while I was doing it one of the local councillors walked by and said "Ah if you try and clear it and then someone slips you are responsible."

Compensation culture gone mad.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

They do in arbroath they have a little snow plough trundles around doing all the pavements and spreads grit behind it .

they tend to leave side roads untreated and just do the pavements only do main and bus routes

good system realy if you wanna go anywhere walk to the bus stop leave the car at home

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By *UNCHBOX OP   Man
over a year ago

folkestone


"have you realisticaly thought how much footpath a council would have to salt to make everywhere walkable? . it would be totaly mad to even try "

The problem is they dont even leave any salt around the problem areas near where i live, so you could do it yourself.

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford


"I think though that if everybody just cleared there on pavements we would be half way there. In Germany it is the law to clear your own pavement. We did ours at the weekend it took 5 minutes. If everyone just did there own bit it would be helpful.

Great idea and I'd do it.

Except for one day while I was doing it one of the local councillors walked by and said "Ah if you try and clear it and then someone slips you are responsible."

Compensation culture gone mad."

the way things are these days you would get sued whether you had cleared it or not

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"I think though that if everybody just cleared there on pavements we would be half way there. In Germany it is the law to clear your own pavement. We did ours at the weekend it took 5 minutes. If everyone just did there own bit it would be helpful.

Great idea and I'd do it.

Except for one day while I was doing it one of the local councillors walked by and said "Ah if you try and clear it and then someone slips you are responsible."

Compensation culture gone mad."

Aye, and local councillor remuneration gone mad too.

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By *un and fortyCouple
over a year ago

a town near you

i doubt any council in this country could clear snow off even a small percentage of there footpaths .they struggle keeping roads open which is there main priority

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Why is the councils seem to want to grit roads but dont seem to want to make the pavements safe?. Seems like a false economy if they are doing it on cost grounds, because the A&E departments must be flooded with broken wrist, arms etc with people slipping up. "
not forgetting those that trip because the pavements are in disrepair anyway?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"They do in arbroath they have a little snow plough trundles around doing all the pavements and spreads grit behind it .

they tend to leave side roads untreated and just do the pavements only do main and bus routes

good system realy if you wanna go anywhere walk to the bus stop leave the car at home "

Yup all Angus towns have the same system and it works well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could just walk in the road, thats what I do

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Ok i give in, i don't know, why do councils never grit pavements?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

December 2010 Bexley Council only gritted local transport routes and routes to hospitals..eventually

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"Why is the councils seem to want to grit roads but dont seem to want to make the pavements safe?. Seems like a false economy if they are doing it on cost grounds, because the A&E departments must be flooded with broken wrist, arms etc with people slipping up. "

there may well be but they wont be able to make a claim against the council - because there is no requirement in the code of practice to grit footways

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I think though that if everybody just cleared there on pavements we would be half way there. In Germany it is the law to clear your own pavement. We did ours at the weekend it took 5 minutes. If everyone just did there own bit it would be helpful."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I live in a small street and the council regularly top up the grit box at the end of it, when the weathers icy or snow most of the neighbours just clear the paths and/or spread grit apart from the elderly ones

The next street they do fuck all and moan about the council not doing anything but the council are busy making sure the roads are gritted for the buses and traffic

In this society too many people thing everything is someone elses job and don't take responsibility.

IMHO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *landleeCouple
over a year ago

near hull

they gritted our paths today so they obviously dont give a shit about hedges and plants in east yorks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They do in arbroath they have a little snow plough trundles around doing all the pavements and spreads grit behind it .

they tend to leave side roads untreated and just do the pavements only do main and bus routes

good system realy if you wanna go anywhere walk to the bus stop leave the car at home "

Where I live in Fife they have the same machine for pavements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is why oh why a little snow and every thing halts, schools, trains, planes and roads our country is a joke. People who live with snow Alaska, Finland etc just laugh at us.

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By *un and fortyCouple
over a year ago

a town near you

cos we ARE a laughing stock

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"The question is why oh why a little snow and every thing halts, schools, trains, planes and roads our country is a joke. People who live with snow Alaska, Finland etc just laugh at us."

They most likely do in summer too.

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By *enithWoman
over a year ago

closer than you think


"why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ..."

very surprised to see a gang of young men with shovels and wearing orange jackets with the words "community workers" written on the back in my village earlier in the week ..... did a very good job too clearing the pavements

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they gritted our paths today so they obviously dont give a shit about hedges and plants in east yorks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ...

very surprised to see a gang of young men with shovels and wearing orange jackets with the words "community workers" written on the back in my village earlier in the week ..... did a very good job too clearing the pavements

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Community service kids round here do gardening in the cemeteries and public flower beds, painting some council buildings, litter picking, all sorts of maintenance jobs .... Has to be better than imprisonment for them.

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By *un and fortyCouple
over a year ago

a town near you


"why dont they get the people out of work or that are serving community time ..put the time to good use, good old shovel and back work ...

very surprised to see a gang of young men with shovels and wearing orange jackets with the words "community workers" written on the back in my village earlier in the week ..... did a very good job too clearing the pavements

Community service kids round here do gardening in the cemeteries and public flower beds, painting some council buildings, litter picking, all sorts of maintenance jobs .... Has to be better than imprisonment for them. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive never got why people don't do outside there own houses either, if the council was to do it the snows would have melted by the time they'd finished everywhere!

The last time it snowed heavily my work gritted the pavements on the site, id slogged all the way up from home and not once did I come close to slipping on the ice. So guess what I slipped over on as soon as I stood on it? I laughed a lot, which is more than can be said for the two guys stood there shovelling salt, they looked mortified! probably thought they were going to be sued! I did have an enormous bruise on my bum for a week after though!

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By *ath-N-DelCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow area

Haven't read any replies...

Ours do, though they only do one side of street which is fair enough!

Nothing stopping you doing your own bit though....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesnt the gritting service cost come out of the funds made from road tax?

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By *ath-N-DelCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow area


"have you realisticaly thought how much footpath a council would have to salt to make everywhere walkable? . it would be totaly mad to even try "

+1

Its winter, its icy....BE CAREFUL

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston


"They do in arbroath they have a little snow plough trundles around doing all the pavements and spreads grit behind it .

they tend to leave side roads untreated and just do the pavements only do main and bus routes

good system realy if you wanna go anywhere walk to the bus stop leave the car at home

Yup all Angus towns have the same system and it works well. "

And West Lothian

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see them doing pavements when they don't even do all roads.

A lot of people who don't live on main roads dont get grit at all, then theres the country roads as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is the councils seem to want to grit roads but dont seem to want to make the pavements safe?. Seems like a false economy if they are doing it on cost grounds, because the A&E departments must be flooded with broken wrist, arms etc with people slipping up. "

You're right, with all the women drivers around the pavements can be a dangerous place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We dont even get our road gritted so no chance of pavement.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pavements in the centre of Manchester had been gritted by this time yesterday morning, unnecessarily as it turned out.

I was amazed to see a woman in the Spring Gardens area sweeping the grit outside her office into the road. Bonkers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When there is Ice and snow about, it's up to the individual to take due care if they are out and about. It's a totally natural phenomena.

Lots of tips etc, slip on ice soles, tights offer your shoes, use a hiking stick, but all down to you how you cope.

If you have frail neighbours, ask them if they need anything basic, bread, milk etc, but not the weekly shop....lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..............

I was amazed to see a woman in the Spring Gardens area sweeping the grit outside her office into the road. Bonkers! "

She didn't want people to bring it onto her office carpet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well they have done round here this morning maybe someone on the council read this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not supprised that Local Authorities in Scotland are much beter prepared to deal with heavy snowfall than, say, an LA in Kent or Cornwall.

The Further North you live, the more likely you are to get a lot of snow. It does occasionaly snow heavily in Kent or Cornwall, but far less often than, say, aberdeen.

It makes logistical sence for the Councils where is snows often to have the equipment to deal with it, as they can budget for it's use (say £1 million used once a year over 25 years) but it does not make ecconomic sence for a southern council to do the same (same £1million used once or twice over those 25 years means a much higher cost per use).

As for the main question (gritting parements) much of the time gritting goes on late at night or early in the morning (when traffic is at it's lowest) and it is at just these times when many foot paths are blocked by the parked cars of the residents.......

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