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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

"

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person "

Love those answers thank you.

I think society focuses too much on keeping the 'home fires burning' so to speak and forgets the issue of quality. It's not all about the actual mechanics of a person but the purpose too. Life is about purpose, experience and adventure just as much as it's about the physical machinations which keep us going. No government/society should step in and deny the person to a end of their choosing in my mind.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do

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By *osie xWoman
over a year ago

wolverhampton

I think you need to look inside yourself and ask 'i'm i happy?' Nothing is worth pursuing or patching up if each day makes you die a little more inside.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just asking as a hypothetical. But realise it looks more personal than that

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person

Love those answers thank you.

I think society focuses too much on keeping the 'home fires burning' so to speak and forgets the issue of quality. It's not all about the actual mechanics of a person but the purpose too. Life is about purpose, experience and adventure just as much as it's about the physical machinations which keep us going. No government/society should step in and deny the person to a end of their choosing in my mind. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person "

I agree with you on both points.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do "

What about when somebody knows their life is about to downturn and that the things they want to do are do are going to be drastically impacted by deterioration? Technically they can still exist but what gives that life meaning if theres no real joy or ability to seek joy?

Btw I agree

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west


"Just asking as a hypothetical. But realise it looks more personal than that "

Well I just live life as it comes like no one can tell the future predict it yes some may come true some not but in the end we all end up in the same place its how we live our lives that counts think I'm rambling now lol hey man guess who

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do "
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The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think you need to look inside yourself and ask 'i'm i happy?' Nothing is worth pursuing or patching up if each day makes you die a little more inside."

Self reflection is key isnt it? Especially given the alternative is so permanent. In that instance it's more accepting when that slow death is past the point of no return that decisions on life quality need to be made.

Slapping a smile on and saying 'shit happens' cant always work for some people.

Btw thank you for input

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just asking as a hypothetical. But realise it looks more personal than that

Well I just live life as it comes like no one can tell the future predict it yes some may come true some not but in the end we all end up in the same place its how we live our lives that counts think I'm rambling now lol hey man guess who"

Good to see you again my friend.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it.

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west


"Just asking as a hypothetical. But realise it looks more personal than that

Well I just live life as it comes like no one can tell the future predict it yes some may come true some not but in the end we all end up in the same place its how we live our lives that counts think I'm rambling now lol hey man guess who

Good to see you again my friend. "

You too I found a way back lol good to see you posting topics no matter how random different to the same old rubbish you get on here lol

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do .

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are."

Maybe I worded it wrong, but it made sense to me when I typed it

Try this for size then ...

(sorry OP)

Joe Fagin - That's Livin' Alright

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHMb5mnjHk

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person

I agree with you on both points. "

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By *osie xWoman
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"I think you need to look inside yourself and ask 'i'm i happy?' Nothing is worth pursuing or patching up if each day makes you die a little more inside.

Self reflection is key isnt it? Especially given the alternative is so permanent. In that instance it's more accepting when that slow death is past the point of no return that decisions on life quality need to be made.

Slapping a smile on and saying 'shit happens' cant always work for some people.

Btw thank you for input "

You are welcome

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it."

Now that gets to the heart of the matter. Being faced with an ending can get you to reassess the quality. Truly so. Even if that ending isnt faced at old age but much earlier. The 'weigh up' comes when realisation hits and then comes the process of deciding the course of action. Again I echo, the person (assuming capacity) should have the final say on that course I think.

Ty for your input and I do agree again.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do .

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but it made sense to me when I typed it

Try this for size then ...

(sorry OP)

Joe Fagin - That's Livin' Alright

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHMb5mnjHk

"

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Who doesn't love aufweidersehen pet.

Let me put it another way, think back to school days, most of us hated it at the time, what you might say as doing what you need to do?.

But some years later you think of it as living, self supported and care free, they weren't mutually exclusive your perceptions changed.

Life is like a box of chocolates or life is a box of chocolates. Which one is it?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex


"As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it.

Now that gets to the heart of the matter. Being faced with an ending can get you to reassess the quality. Truly so. Even if that ending isnt faced at old age but much earlier. The 'weigh up' comes when realisation hits and then comes the process of deciding the course of action. Again I echo, the person (assuming capacity) should have the final say on that course I think.

Ty for your input and I do agree again. "

Very elderly people are often offered a sort of final say in the form of a dnr.

To an extent I think the person should have the final say but where's the line to be drawn.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

gosh op you posted this late and i was going to sleep. living is being, emotions and being able to make your own decisions. Existing is being trapped in a body that doesnt work. Someone with brain damage or in a catatonic depressive state. My dad had a heartattack and was in a coma i was in the fortunate position (yes i say fortnate) as i was able to give permission to switch his life support and stop him living in a vegative state. Ive never regretted that decision

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do .

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but it made sense to me when I typed it

Try this for size then ...

(sorry OP)

Joe Fagin - That's Livin' Alright

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHMb5mnjHk

.

Who doesn't love aufweidersehen pet.

Let me put it another way, think back to school days, most of us hated it at the time, what you might say as doing what you need to do?.

But some years later you think of it as living, self supported and care free, they weren't mutually exclusive your perceptions changed.

Life is like a box of chocolates or life is a box of chocolates. Which one is it?"

I do like the example and the resulting question. Gets the brain matter working. You are quite correct. But not all existing is truly living. A person with no visible reaction to stimuli on a life support machine is technically in existence but is that truly living?

Definitely see your point though my friend

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it.

Now that gets to the heart of the matter. Being faced with an ending can get you to reassess the quality. Truly so. Even if that ending isnt faced at old age but much earlier. The 'weigh up' comes when realisation hits and then comes the process of deciding the course of action. Again I echo, the person (assuming capacity) should have the final say on that course I think.

Ty for your input and I do agree again.

Very elderly people are often offered a sort of final say in the form of a dnr.

To an extent I think the person should have the final say but where's the line to be drawn. "

Sadly that is always the case isnt it? Determining the extent and appropriate steps. Capacity assessments and best interests meetings are a good tool in order to ascertain the best course of action for an individual. But those are by no means fool proof.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"gosh op you posted this late and i was going to sleep. living is being, emotions and being able to make your own decisions. Existing is being trapped in a body that doesnt work. Someone with brain damage or in a catatonic depressive state. My dad had a heartattack and was in a coma i was in the fortunate position (yes i say fortnate) as i was able to give permission to switch his life support and stop him living in a vegative state. Ive never regretted that decision"

I am so very sorry you went through that and had to come to that heart wrenching decision in your life. I cannot imagine having to decide and I applaud your decision and courage. I would agree with your decision in that position. Theres a good distinction in your post about existing and living and I think it's important to note that. Life experience determines life in my mind and, seemingly, yours too.

Ty my dear for your input. Welcome as always and huge hearted.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex


"As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it.

Now that gets to the heart of the matter. Being faced with an ending can get you to reassess the quality. Truly so. Even if that ending isnt faced at old age but much earlier. The 'weigh up' comes when realisation hits and then comes the process of deciding the course of action. Again I echo, the person (assuming capacity) should have the final say on that course I think.

Ty for your input and I do agree again.

Very elderly people are often offered a sort of final say in the form of a dnr.

To an extent I think the person should have the final say but where's the line to be drawn.

Sadly that is always the case isnt it? Determining the extent and appropriate steps. Capacity assessments and best interests meetings are a good tool in order to ascertain the best course of action for an individual. But those are by no means fool proof. "

No and they don't always have that luxury.

One of my parents had a terrible injury last year. The other, in their 90s, was called at 2 am asking if they were happy for a dnr to be put in place. That decision couldn't have been made with due deliberation and discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As someone who plays a part in caring for very elderly parents I would say that until you're at the end of your life you can't possibly know how little quality of life you will be prepared to accept until you're faced with the very real prospect of losing it.

Now that gets to the heart of the matter. Being faced with an ending can get you to reassess the quality. Truly so. Even if that ending isnt faced at old age but much earlier. The 'weigh up' comes when realisation hits and then comes the process of deciding the course of action. Again I echo, the person (assuming capacity) should have the final say on that course I think.

Ty for your input and I do agree again.

Very elderly people are often offered a sort of final say in the form of a dnr.

To an extent I think the person should have the final say but where's the line to be drawn.

Sadly that is always the case isnt it? Determining the extent and appropriate steps. Capacity assessments and best interests meetings are a good tool in order to ascertain the best course of action for an individual. But those are by no means fool proof.

No and they don't always have that luxury.

One of my parents had a terrible injury last year. The other, in their 90s, was called at 2 am asking if they were happy for a dnr to be put in place. That decision couldn't have been made with due deliberation and discussion.

"

Absolutely it couldn't. Those are truly necessary in situations like that. Its imperative that safeguards are in place so that when situations like yours occur there is a clear, concise plan to deal.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do .

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but it made sense to me when I typed it

Try this for size then ...

(sorry OP)

Joe Fagin - That's Livin' Alright

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHMb5mnjHk

.

Who doesn't love aufweidersehen pet.

Let me put it another way, think back to school days, most of us hated it at the time, what you might say as doing what you need to do?.

But some years later you think of it as living, self supported and care free, they weren't mutually exclusive your perceptions changed.

Life is like a box of chocolates or life is a box of chocolates. Which one is it?

I do like the example and the resulting question. Gets the brain matter working. You are quite correct. But not all existing is truly living. A person with no visible reaction to stimuli on a life support machine is technically in existence but is that truly living?

Definitely see your point though my friend "

In my mind existence is the fact that every species on the planet have survived, (although we seem to keep annihilating them on a daily basis, but that's another thread ), living on the other hand is how you conduct yourself to do better and improve the situation for those around you as well as yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do .

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you just think they are.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but it made sense to me when I typed it

Try this for size then ...

(sorry OP)

Joe Fagin - That's Livin' Alright

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHMb5mnjHk

.

Who doesn't love aufweidersehen pet.

Let me put it another way, think back to school days, most of us hated it at the time, what you might say as doing what you need to do?.

But some years later you think of it as living, self supported and care free, they weren't mutually exclusive your perceptions changed.

Life is like a box of chocolates or life is a box of chocolates. Which one is it?

I do like the example and the resulting question. Gets the brain matter working. You are quite correct. But not all existing is truly living. A person with no visible reaction to stimuli on a life support machine is technically in existence but is that truly living?

Definitely see your point though my friend

In my mind existence is the fact that every species on the planet have survived, (although we seem to keep annihilating them on a daily basis, but that's another thread ), living on the other hand is how you conduct yourself to do better and improve the situation for those around you as well as yourself. "

Interesting way to think about it my friend. The life experience dictates the extent of living. But what happens when limitations plateau the ability to live and improve? Maybe even encourage a downturn? How do we resist the decline of the dwindling life experiences?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Interesting way to think about it my friend. The life experience dictates the extent of living. But what happens when limitations plateau the ability to live and improve? Maybe even encourage a downturn? How do we resist the decline of the dwindling life experiences? "

People say that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, that's a load of old gobbledegook. You are never too old to adapt to certain situations

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting way to think about it my friend. The life experience dictates the extent of living. But what happens when limitations plateau the ability to live and improve? Maybe even encourage a downturn? How do we resist the decline of the dwindling life experiences?

People say that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, that's a load of old gobbledegook. You are never too old to adapt to certain situations "

Love the positivity my friend.....truly do

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Interesting way to think about it my friend. The life experience dictates the extent of living. But what happens when limitations plateau the ability to live and improve? Maybe even encourage a downturn? How do we resist the decline of the dwindling life experiences?

People say that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, that's a load of old gobbledegook. You are never too old to adapt to certain situations

Love the positivity my friend.....truly do "

Well I'm 57, and everyday seems like a schoolday on here for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quality of life is all about distraction. If we can’t distract ourselves from our inner thoughts; we perish with them and fall into a vegetative depression.

Mankind has no real purpose, thus we have to create some meaningless vacuous existence; surrounded by things which we pretend matter.

We aren’t gods, we’re not here for some special purpose (unless destruction counts) over that of an ant.

Conclusion :- do whatever makes you feel. Without sensation: we’re already dead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Quality of life is all about distraction. If we can’t distract ourselves from our inner thoughts; we perish with them and fall into a vegetative depression.

Mankind has no real purpose, thus we have to create some meaningless vacuous existence; surrounded by things which we pretend matter.

We aren’t gods, we’re not here for some special purpose (unless destruction counts) over that of an ant.

Conclusion :- do whatever makes you feel. Without sensation: we’re already dead. "

Powerful ending and point my friend

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Simply I find as long as you still find beauty somewhere in this world and simple pleasures (even if nearly drowned out by pain and darkness) then this world if hanging around in. After all what else is there but to live? I just can't imagine nothingness, a world where I don't exist to ponder, to think, to rationalise, to be amazed at its wonder. It's seems such a wonderful and implausible thing that we even exist in the first place, I want hang around and make best of it as long as possible. There is beauty all around, even in the darkest places and that makes it worth being.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not complicated.Do what you enjoy,think positive,keep mind and body active,respect yourself and treat others with respect,Life's a gift don't waste it....I could go on but you get the drift.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

I’m at that point with work, only got two days to do, but can’t be assed anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quality of life is all about distraction. If we can’t distract ourselves from our inner thoughts; we perish with them and fall into a vegetative depression.

Mankind has no real purpose, thus we have to create some meaningless vacuous existence; surrounded by things which we pretend matter.

We aren’t gods, we’re not here for some special purpose (unless destruction counts) over that of an ant.

Conclusion :- do whatever makes you feel. Without sensation: we’re already dead. "

I like this.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

When I was going through my divorce I was just existing rather than living. It was my Children that kept me level and working every day to create a new life for myself. No friends,family, place to live (she wanted me out of the house) or job at the time (stay at home dad).

Yes, life was pretty shit

However these are the times when you discover yourself, it doesn't have to be in the middle of a terrorist attack or a major natural disaster to find out you won't panic and keep your head together. It's when you get up every day and carry on trying to make that day better than the previous day.

I've had two experiences in my life, in which I could've died both violently. Those experiences have absolutely nothing on the sudden change in my life back in 2016, they don't say life is a rollercoaster for nothing.

Hope things are ok Op, you come across as a decent guy

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Simply I find as long as you still find beauty somewhere in this world and simple pleasures (even if nearly drowned out by pain and darkness) then this world if hanging around in. After all what else is there but to live? I just can't imagine nothingness, a world where I don't exist to ponder, to think, to rationalise, to be amazed at its wonder. It's seems such a wonderful and implausible thing that we even exist in the first place, I want hang around and make best of it as long as possible. There is beauty all around, even in the darkest places and that makes it worth being. "

Some great points in there, thank you for sharing my friend

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's not complicated.Do what you enjoy,think positive,keep mind and body active,respect yourself and treat others with respect,Life's a gift don't waste it....I could go on but you get the drift."

Truly so.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’m at that point with work, only got two days to do, but can’t be assed anymore "

Its grating isnt it my friend? Some philosophers argue that life is absurd and the things we go through daily are ultimately pointless. Used to believe that solidly until I found a job I believed in more. Thank you so much for the input

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Quality of life is all about distraction. If we can’t distract ourselves from our inner thoughts; we perish with them and fall into a vegetative depression.

Mankind has no real purpose, thus we have to create some meaningless vacuous existence; surrounded by things which we pretend matter.

We aren’t gods, we’re not here for some special purpose (unless destruction counts) over that of an ant.

Conclusion :- do whatever makes you feel. Without sensation: we’re already dead.

I like this."

Aye me too

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

"

When it brings you more sorrow than joy. When the stress outweighs any potential. When there is no growth and no forward.

Life is so very short and I believe we hold onto something for too long sometimes out of fear or misplaced loyalty or well a number of reasons but the fact you're reasoning the point..... you're already there

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places


"Existing is doing what you need to do, living is doing what you want to do "

I love your wee ditties

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"When I was going through my divorce I was just existing rather than living. It was my Children that kept me level and working every day to create a new life for myself. No friends,family, place to live (she wanted me out of the house) or job at the time (stay at home dad).

Yes, life was pretty shit

However these are the times when you discover yourself, it doesn't have to be in the middle of a terrorist attack or a major natural disaster to find out you won't panic and keep your head together. It's when you get up every day and carry on trying to make that day better than the previous day.

I've had two experiences in my life, in which I could've died both violently. Those experiences have absolutely nothing on the sudden change in my life back in 2016, they don't say life is a rollercoaster for nothing.

Hope things are ok Op, you come across as a decent guy "

I'm sorry to learn of the adversity you went through but I'm glad you had the strength of character to continue through and turn around your thinking. Near death experiences have a habit of doing that dont they? They really set things into perspective for a person. Have had a number myself and they are a true measure of a person as to how you come away from them. Your strength has won out and that is admirable to me. Thank you so much for sharing.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person

Love those answers thank you.

I think society focuses too much on keeping the 'home fires burning' so to speak and forgets the issue of quality. It's not all about the actual mechanics of a person but the purpose too. Life is about purpose, experience and adventure just as much as it's about the physical machinations which keep us going. No government/society should step in and deny the person to a end of their choosing in my mind. "

Interesting view point, but most societies disagree. In fact there is a huge push to prevent suicide as it is one of the biggest killers of middle aged men.

The key element for me is that no one knows the future and whilst today, this week, this year may seem pretty bad. No one knows whether it will improve next week or next year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Learn to let go of things that you feel are no longer good for you .

It's not easy but it can be done .

Have a jolly good Google of mindfulness.

It's a wonderful thing that stops you over thinking , keeps you in the present moment.

Remeber there are only two days you can do nothing about and are not in your control . Yesterday and tomorrow

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

I’m thinking the same about those questions too

It’s hard to stop feeling but you know if it’s worthwhile to give so much but we are foolish people at times, I love endlessly and others simply don’t

Life is a gift, when you are broken it all feels like a curse but it’s your life, your rules, just do it your way live don’t just exist restart and find the joy again, I’m trying so hard with this, going on my first holiday alone soon and taking tentative steps to meet someone again

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

When it brings you more sorrow than joy. When the stress outweighs any potential. When there is no growth and no forward.

Life is so very short and I believe we hold onto something for too long sometimes out of fear or misplaced loyalty or well a number of reasons but the fact you're reasoning the point..... you're already there "

I think reason is important. Our capacity for reason is one of the things that makes us the species we are. I think you are right. The points you list in your first paragraph are key indicators of living I feel. Its when those key indicators are missing or depleted, that's when the questions need to be raised. Life is short as you say and holding on too tight is evident all around us. Ultimately though does a person have the right to let them muscles relax and let go. I feel that, aside from extenuating circumstances, its that persons choice alone. They can convey these wishes to their family and loved ones and they can act on their behalf, as has been the case with a few people on here.

Thank you so much for your input in this discussion. It's a great point to of been made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all exist.

Few realise the efforts of others in helping that happen comfortably.

Living depends on the individual.

For some it's hell raising for sure.

For many , it's helping others.

For me, it's providing a happy environment for my family and good friends.

Sexual adventure is more of a hobby. The journey if not the arrival!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you just know instinctively when it's time to move on. The gut rather than the mind is more useful in these situations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People choose to hold onto things, it's a fact of life whether they should or not

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

That’s sort of two different questions

For both I would say quality of life is paramount as without that what is the point.

Sometimes letting go is the only way to improve your life, it’s not about winning the battle it’s about surviving and keeping your sanity.

The second one about living/existing is a difficult one but if there is no quality and nothing can change that then why would you want to be kept going?

The problem is definition of quality is different to each person

Love those answers thank you.

I think society focuses too much on keeping the 'home fires burning' so to speak and forgets the issue of quality. It's not all about the actual mechanics of a person but the purpose too. Life is about purpose, experience and adventure just as much as it's about the physical machinations which keep us going. No government/society should step in and deny the person to a end of their choosing in my mind.

Interesting view point, but most societies disagree. In fact there is a huge push to prevent suicide as it is one of the biggest killers of middle aged men.

The key element for me is that no one knows the future and whilst today, this week, this year may seem pretty bad. No one knows whether it will improve next week or next year.

"

Interesting viewpoint as well my friend and I thank you for sharing. It is a social responsibility to most definitely challenge the attitudes and thinking. Its innate in some of our natures to see death as a bad thing. But its ascertaining the difference on whether or not it's a release or just a need for help. Rational thought helps and if an optimistic outlook is achieved, like yours, then the reasons for advancing the ending are not as looming.

Thank you my friend

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Learn to let go of things that you feel are no longer good for you .

It's not easy but it can be done .

Have a jolly good Google of mindfulness.

It's a wonderful thing that stops you over thinking , keeps you in the present moment.

Remeber there are only two days you can do nothing about and are not in your control . Yesterday and tomorrow "

You are the jolliest of the jolly my good friend. Its all that fresh air.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’m thinking the same about those questions too

It’s hard to stop feeling but you know if it’s worthwhile to give so much but we are foolish people at times, I love endlessly and others simply don’t

Life is a gift, when you are broken it all feels like a curse but it’s your life, your rules, just do it your way live don’t just exist restart and find the joy again, I’m trying so hard with this, going on my first holiday alone soon and taking tentative steps to meet someone again

"

Thank you for opening yourself to this. I sincerely hope you achieve alm the outcomes you desire. Our interactions in chat have always gave me the belief that you are a truly awesome person and thats not empty flattery. A full systems reboot can sometimes be the way forward rather than formatting the hard drive or smashing the laptop completely . Thank you

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We all exist.

Few realise the efforts of others in helping that happen comfortably.

Living depends on the individual.

For some it's hell raising for sure.

For many , it's helping others.

For me, it's providing a happy environment for my family and good friends.

Sexual adventure is more of a hobby. The journey if not the arrival!"

I like that last bit. Thank you for inputting my friend

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think you just know instinctively when it's time to move on. The gut rather than the mind is more useful in these situations "

Truly so. Camus and the absurdity of life eh my dear?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People choose to hold onto things, it's a fact of life whether they should or not "

Very true. Thank you my friend

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By *inkysexpotMan
over a year ago

leeds


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

"

This is a bit deep for this time of a morning.

It depends on what your fighting for, I've fought in the past to see my children and I won that battle but the war is never over so that is a fight I will have until the day I die.

Life for me is about happiness, love, feeling that special something that gets your heart racing things like that, if your just going through the motions then that's just existing.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"I’m thinking the same about those questions too

It’s hard to stop feeling but you know if it’s worthwhile to give so much but we are foolish people at times, I love endlessly and others simply don’t

Life is a gift, when you are broken it all feels like a curse but it’s your life, your rules, just do it your way live don’t just exist restart and find the joy again, I’m trying so hard with this, going on my first holiday alone soon and taking tentative steps to meet someone again

Thank you for opening yourself to this. I sincerely hope you achieve alm the outcomes you desire. Our interactions in chat have always gave me the belief that you are a truly awesome person and thats not empty flattery. A full systems reboot can sometimes be the way forward rather than formatting the hard drive or smashing the laptop completely . Thank you "

I wish a system reboot was that easy, I’ve learned some pain in life isn’t such a bad thing

Really need to learn my life lessons to go forward is what I’ve found, therapy is good I’ve done some training myself in self help

The age old saying this too will pass is true, time heals and new opportunities arise

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

This is a bit deep for this time of a morning.

It depends on what your fighting for, I've fought in the past to see my children and I won that battle but the war is never over so that is a fight I will have until the day I die.

Life for me is about happiness, love, feeling that special something that gets your heart racing things like that, if your just going through the motions then that's just existing."

Aye it was more a 'last night' type of post. Thank you for popping on my friend and inputting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’m thinking the same about those questions too

It’s hard to stop feeling but you know if it’s worthwhile to give so much but we are foolish people at times, I love endlessly and others simply don’t

Life is a gift, when you are broken it all feels like a curse but it’s your life, your rules, just do it your way live don’t just exist restart and find the joy again, I’m trying so hard with this, going on my first holiday alone soon and taking tentative steps to meet someone again

Thank you for opening yourself to this. I sincerely hope you achieve alm the outcomes you desire. Our interactions in chat have always gave me the belief that you are a truly awesome person and thats not empty flattery. A full systems reboot can sometimes be the way forward rather than formatting the hard drive or smashing the laptop completely . Thank you

I wish a system reboot was that easy, I’ve learned some pain in life isn’t such a bad thing

Really need to learn my life lessons to go forward is what I’ve found, therapy is good I’ve done some training myself in self help

The age old saying this too will pass is true, time heals and new opportunities arise

"

It isnt at all. Pain is still experiencing aspects of life. Thinking now of the example of a comatose patient even unable to react to that stimulus. Do we hold on too tightly for a promise that may never materialise? Fights are truly worth fighting like a lot of people have said. And if even a miniscule amount of a person believes a fight can be won then that should be grasped wholeheartedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100 levels of fucked up.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"100 levels of fucked up..... "

Which is dude?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

"

The more I give up on friends, pastimes and even Fab, the more I achieve as something better and more meaningful always comes along to replace them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not a thread about Unlos.

When does one decide enough is enough and let go of something? Is it worth continously fighting or sometimes is it ok to say 'I'm done'?

What defines 'life'? Is it merely ok for a circulatory system to keep pumping and call that living? What's the main difference between living and existing?

The more I give up on friends, pastimes and even Fab, the more I achieve as something better and more meaningful always comes along to replace them."

Refocus and retarget sort of thing? Thank you my friend

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places

I think this thread has actually helped me..... maybe time for me to quit a few things

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