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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home" Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home" If you need any help holding the flay let me know.  | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. " Until its one of your own. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own." Not so. I do not condone vigilantism. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own." What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home If you need any help holding the flay let me know. "Im usually mild mannered, but now its two streets away, and a friends son id happily run the shits over. He had parked up and was trying to get in his house when they struck, he put uo a fight and a good one. Its all over the cov news. He fought like fuck and was joined by members of the public, its all caught on cctv, they escaped on the bike, but as i said, were seen today again not far fron the crime on dash cam. | |||
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. " Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? " Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. Not so. I do not condone vigilantism. " His sister has publicly put up £5000 for names so it can be dealt with. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? " I agree, that’s a much better way to deal with it than vigilantes. I just wish everyone would | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? " Exactly. Control is the key for them and us ... | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? " You’re as bad as them should you take it in your hands to intentionally break the law and go after them to hurt - potentially worse than them as you are intending to hurt whereas they may have unintentionally taken that decision in the heat of the moment of attempting theft, they’re culpable but you had premeditated intent to hurt. How do you feel about anyone on this thread now getting, in your view, the right to now come and flay you? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? You’re as bad as them should you take it in your hands to intentionally break the law and go after them to hurt - potentially worse than them as you are intending to hurt whereas they may have unintentionally taken that decision in the heat of the moment of attempting theft, they’re culpable but you had premeditated intent to hurt. How do you feel about anyone on this thread now getting, in your view, the right to now come and flay you? "  but | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. Not so. I do not condone vigilantism. His sister has publicly put up £5000 for names so it can be dealt with. " Well, she may be culpable if someone takes it into their hands to hurt or worse. I can’t comment as I don’t know exactly what her specific request is. Asking for information is one thing but inciting illegal actions is another, if the police condone her, poster, social media post - whatever it is - fine, if they don’t, then more fool her. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. Not so. I do not condone vigilantism. His sister has publicly put up £5000 for names so it can be dealt with. " Dealt with by the courts? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? You’re as bad as them should you take it in your hands to intentionally break the law and go after them to hurt - potentially worse than them as you are intending to hurt whereas they may have unintentionally taken that decision in the heat of the moment of attempting theft, they’re culpable but you had premeditated intent to hurt. How do you feel about anyone on this thread now getting, in your view, the right to now come and flay you? " The very simple answer is i wouldnt be trying to take someone elses prooerty at knife point. Dont do the crime, its simple, believe me if these scum were being picked up and dealt with i wouldnt be feeling this anger. I have a son of my own, 19, if you remember i asked advice on here regarding him going to nottingham on a night out - i was worried about him being stabbed. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. Not so. I do not condone vigilantism. His sister has publicly put up £5000 for names so it can be dealt with. Dealt with by the courts?" Who knows, maybe, if there lucky | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home Sorry to hear your friend’s son has been a victim in such an attack. Vigilantism is not something I condone though. Until its one of your own. What if one of your own had done wrong and a member of the public stabbed them in a vigilante attack...? Thats a lame argument, what if ? What if your daughter was abused and you had the culprit in a locked room? Whats ifs. What if....the people comitting these crimes were educated at home and taught about values instead of being let to run riot? You’re as bad as them should you take it in your hands to intentionally break the law and go after them to hurt - potentially worse than them as you are intending to hurt whereas they may have unintentionally taken that decision in the heat of the moment of attempting theft, they’re culpable but you had premeditated intent to hurt. How do you feel about anyone on this thread now getting, in your view, the right to now come and flay you? The very simple answer is i wouldnt be trying to take someone elses prooerty at knife point. " You say you would be intending to do far worse... " Dont do the crime, its simple, believe me if these scum were being picked up and dealt with i wouldnt be feeling this anger. I have a son of my own, 19, if you remember i asked advice on here regarding him going to nottingham on a night out - i was worried about him being stabbed. " I don’t remember no. I’m not saying that these people (I won’t name call) should not be brought to justice, but legally and by those that understand the law and why it’s important to dispense of it fairly rather in a knee jerk emotional response. You want to do something useful to prevent similar issues? Then vote to ensure proper funding is provided by government for the police services, oh and don’t break the law through vigilantism thus stretching our services further. | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. Otherwise the law becomes a bit like this forum and right is wrong and wrong is right depending upon your perspective. I'm genuinely sorry for the guy who's been hurt though and I'd probs kick the offenders arses if I had the chance, but I'd be wrong doing so "To most of us mere mortals the law seems to have less to do with what we know is right and wrong regardless of perspective but more to do with money and the privileged class. | |||
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do?" You might want to look up the case of Christopher Daniel then. Technically I did misspeak, technically speaking he was not "convicted" in the sense that he was found guilty of the offense but the court basically decided he shouldn't be punished. But for all intents and purposes the point stands. | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. Otherwise the law becomes a bit like this forum and right is wrong and wrong is right depending upon your perspective. I'm genuinely sorry for the guy who's been hurt though and I'd probs kick the offenders arses if I had the chance, but I'd be wrong doing so
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do? You might want to look up the case of Christopher Daniel then. Technically I did misspeak, technically speaking he was not "convicted" in the sense that he was found guilty of the offense but the court basically decided he shouldn't be punished. But for all intents and purposes the point stands. " Afraid I don’t know the nuances of the law in Scotland - looks to be an unusual case re his age etc. Difficult. But not the norm. | |||
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"In some parts of Africa and South America there are frequent lynchings and necklacings of petty thieves. I wonder how much of an impact it has on crime rates? Although I suppose it impacts on recidivism. " At a guess I would think it barely touches the petty crime rate and considerably increases wounding and murder rates. | |||
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"If someone broke into my home, I’d have no issue defending my home and family. If that means that I’d have to answer for those actions then so be it. " As long as you don’t go full on “Saw” you’ll be ok. | |||
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"If someone broke into my home, I’d have no issue defending my home and family. If that means that I’d have to answer for those actions then so be it. As long as you don’t go full on “Saw” you’ll be ok. " Oooh I feel a torture-porn horror film marathon coming on  | |||
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do? You might want to look up the case of Christopher Daniel then. Technically I did misspeak, technically speaking he was not "convicted" in the sense that he was found guilty of the offense but the court basically decided he shouldn't be punished. But for all intents and purposes the point stands. Afraid I don’t know the nuances of the law in Scotland - looks to be an unusual case re his age etc. Difficult. But not the norm." Not sure any degree of nuance justifies letting someone walk after repeatedly interfering with a 6 year old, but that's the last I'll say on the matter as your position on justice is very clear. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home" Not the right direction but if he or you or anyone else happened to knock them accidentally off their bikes and run over them it wouldn't carry a large sentence if at all looking at recent incidents in court. | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. " No its not. Sentencing is dependant upon public opinion. The home Secretary has repeatedly stepped in to have sentences changed when they have outraged the public | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. No its not. Sentencing is dependant upon public opinion. The home Secretary has repeatedly stepped in to have sentences changed when they have outraged the public" That,s bollocks the H.S. has intervened less than 1 in 100,000 cases! | |||
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"No. Not under any circumstances? " Not under the circumstances the OP mentioned. | |||
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"No. Not under any circumstances? Not under the circumstances the OP mentioned." Ok, well I understand that, but there are many cases where Police resources are being stretched beyond their capabilities unfortunately. | |||
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"Either way vigilantism is not the answer." Try telling Charles Bronson that  | |||
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"Two wrongs rarely make a right. Vigilantism....just no." Depends on the crime, if someone wrongs you, do you just let them get away with it? Retribution is probably a better word than vigilantism. | |||
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"I think the underpinning problem in this country is the ever shrinking respect and attitude towards the effectiveness of law enforcement and the inability of the CPS and court system to dish out justifiable consequences for individuals who decide to rail against the established laws of this country. All too often there are established cases of atrocities being committed and the perpetrators, seemingly, getting away scot-free. I'm not advocating the usage if vigilantism as, it's been stated, illegal. But I will say that I understand the need to combat these criminal acts in certain cases. I always used to allow my fists to do my talking for the most minor of infractions against me or mine. I have grown past that into a different person. Could I stand by and allow somebody I cared about suffer through a horrendous crime without becoming that old person I was? I couldnt rightly say. I would like to believe I would give the established system of justice a chance to rectify the crimes against me or mine. If that system was to fail me.....well then my viewpoint would change considerably I believe, dependent on the severity of the crime. Stopping talking again now lol " Put that axe back in its box!  | |||
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"I think the underpinning problem in this country is the ever shrinking respect and attitude towards the effectiveness of law enforcement and the inability of the CPS and court system to dish out justifiable consequences for individuals who decide to rail against the established laws of this country. All too often there are established cases of atrocities being committed and the perpetrators, seemingly, getting away scot-free. I'm not advocating the usage if vigilantism as, it's been stated, illegal. But I will say that I understand the need to combat these criminal acts in certain cases. I always used to allow my fists to do my talking for the most minor of infractions against me or mine. I have grown past that into a different person. Could I stand by and allow somebody I cared about suffer through a horrendous crime without becoming that old person I was? I couldnt rightly say. I would like to believe I would give the established system of justice a chance to rectify the crimes against me or mine. If that system was to fail me.....well then my viewpoint would change considerably I believe, dependent on the severity of the crime. Stopping talking again now lol Put that axe back in its box! "It only comes out when people perpetrate great crimes against me......like cutting in front of me in KFC lol | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. No its not. Sentencing is dependant upon public opinion. The home Secretary has repeatedly stepped in to have sentences changed when they have outraged the public That,s bollocks the H.S. has intervened less than 1 in 100,000 cases!" Bit too busy at the moment chasing the PMs job ? | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home" This does make me angry. See something like this happening with nothing done about it. My local news today a guy got a 2 year sentence for pulling down the Xmas Decs in a shopping centre whilst d*unk. Go figure.  | |||
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"I think the underpinning problem in this country is the ever shrinking respect and attitude towards the effectiveness of law enforcement and the inability of the CPS and court system to dish out justifiable consequences for individuals who decide to rail against the established laws of this country. All too often there are established cases of atrocities being committed and the perpetrators, seemingly, getting away scot-free. I'm not advocating the usage if vigilantism as, it's been stated, illegal. But I will say that I understand the need to combat these criminal acts in certain cases. I always used to allow my fists to do my talking for the most minor of infractions against me or mine. I have grown past that into a different person. Could I stand by and allow somebody I cared about suffer through a horrendous crime without becoming that old person I was? I couldnt rightly say. I would like to believe I would give the established system of justice a chance to rectify the crimes against me or mine. If that system was to fail me.....well then my viewpoint would change considerably I believe, dependent on the severity of the crime. Stopping talking again now lol Put that axe back in its box!
It only comes out when people perpetrate great crimes against me......like cutting in front of me in KFC lol"I keep looking at all the thread titles and this one sticks out of the list because at first glance it looks like something to do with vagina, and my man mind is drawn to it.... (appreciate the seriousness of the post though and the point made earlier still stands, I man that can control his anger and let the proper fair process take its course is a powerful dude indeed) | |||
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"I think the underpinning problem in this country is the ever shrinking respect and attitude towards the effectiveness of law enforcement and the inability of the CPS and court system to dish out justifiable consequences for individuals who decide to rail against the established laws of this country. All too often there are established cases of atrocities being committed and the perpetrators, seemingly, getting away scot-free. I'm not advocating the usage if vigilantism as, it's been stated, illegal. But I will say that I understand the need to combat these criminal acts in certain cases. I always used to allow my fists to do my talking for the most minor of infractions against me or mine. I have grown past that into a different person. Could I stand by and allow somebody I cared about suffer through a horrendous crime without becoming that old person I was? I couldnt rightly say. I would like to believe I would give the established system of justice a chance to rectify the crimes against me or mine. If that system was to fail me.....well then my viewpoint would change considerably I believe, dependent on the severity of the crime. Stopping talking again now lol Put that axe back in its box!
It only comes out when people perpetrate great crimes against me......like cutting in front of me in KFC lol
I keep looking at all the thread titles and this one sticks out of the list because at first glance it looks like something to do with vagina, and my man mind is drawn to it....
(appreciate the seriousness of the post though and the point made earlier still stands, I man that can control his anger and let the proper fair process take its course is a powerful dude indeed) "I would love to think I could my friend but I do question that on occasion. I tested myself once with a vile excuse for a human being and in that instance the courts did well. But more often you hear of the reverse occurring. | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home This does make me angry. See something like this happening with nothing done about it. My local news today a guy got a 2 year sentence for pulling down the Xmas Decs in a shopping centre whilst d*unk. Go figure. "Having just looked up the story of that case - the guy concerned was already on a suspended sentence for previous theft related crimes and had been convicted of four other offences since being given that suspended sentence - so I'd say he'd used up his chances well and truly!! | |||
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"Having just seen footage of a friends son battling mopede riding carjackers who tried to rob his car outside his home, im begining to think that taking the law in your own hands is the only way justice is going to be served. He was stabbed 3 times last night (19.30) defending his car, thankfully hes ok. The c*nts who did it were caught on dash cam tonight riding not two fucking streets away, where are the police ? Personally id happily flay the skin from their backs Sorry for the rant, its a bit close to home This does make me angry. See something like this happening with nothing done about it. My local news today a guy got a 2 year sentence for pulling down the Xmas Decs in a shopping centre whilst d*unk. Go figure. "See now that to me is more mindless vandalism, as opposed to crime against an individual. Both wrong in any respect, but dealt with differently unfortunately. | |||
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"We have the law for a reason. It's above people and judgement. No its not. Sentencing is dependant upon public opinion. The home Secretary has repeatedly stepped in to have sentences changed when they have outraged the public That,s bollocks the H.S. has intervened less than 1 in 100,000 cases!" So repeatedly.... | |||
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"If we go down the road of the vigilant we might get 6 out ten right but what if 4 them ten had done no wrong how many people have been executed or been convicted of a crime they haven't been convicted of birmingham six come into mind just one of many cases if vigilante justice was the law of the land the birmingham six wud probly have been hanged from lampposts then 30 yrs down the Rd we found out they weren't guilty so hypetheticaly the people hung them become the murderers and the vigilantes become the victims of the vigilantes starts to become a very vicious circle I know the justice system isn't perfect but is sum kind of order which without our society will turn into chaos" sorry just correcting my self cause this is important ment have been executed or convicted of a crime they haven't done birmingham six come into mind | |||
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"No to vigilante action. We need to elect a government that funds and directs the police force appropriately - unlike the conservatives who have cut £millions from budgetts of police and other local services, such as education, children's and community support services etc. If you vote and invest appropriately, your area will be improved. Turning citizens in to local revenge mobs is akin to gang warfare and lawless-ness, with people who don't fit in becoming targets for hate. Too many people have been killed or harmed that way. " Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of having a Labour government, crime didn’t exist???? | |||
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"No to vigilante action. We need to elect a government that funds and directs the police force appropriately - unlike the conservatives who have cut £millions from budgetts of police and other local services, such as education, children's and community support services etc. If you vote and invest appropriately, your area will be improved. Turning citizens in to local revenge mobs is akin to gang warfare and lawless-ness, with people who don't fit in becoming targets for hate. Too many people have been killed or harmed that way. Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of having a Labour government, crime didn’t exist????" vigilantism = lawlessmess | |||
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"No to vigilante action. We need to elect a government that funds and directs the police force appropriately - unlike the conservatives who have cut £millions from budgetts of police and other local services, such as education, children's and community support services etc. If you vote and invest appropriately, your area will be improved. Turning citizens in to local revenge mobs is akin to gang warfare and lawless-ness, with people who don't fit in becoming targets for hate. Too many people have been killed or harmed that way. Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of having a Labour government, crime didn’t exist????vigilantism = lawlessmess" Yeah I agree, but I was trying to make the point that things weren’t any better under Labour. | |||
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"No to vigilante action. We need to elect a government that funds and directs the police force appropriately - unlike the conservatives who have cut £millions from budgetts of police and other local services, such as education, children's and community support services etc. If you vote and invest appropriately, your area will be improved. Turning citizens in to local revenge mobs is akin to gang warfare and lawless-ness, with people who don't fit in becoming targets for hate. Too many people have been killed or harmed that way. Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of having a Labour government, crime didn’t exist????vigilantism = lawlessmess Yeah I agree, but I was trying to make the point that things weren’t any better under Labour. " I know but had to keep looking up from your post to the one above to see how I cud spell lawlessmess few beers and getting late lol | |||
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"No to vigilante action. We need to elect a government that funds and directs the police force appropriately - unlike the conservatives who have cut £millions from budgetts of police and other local services, such as education, children's and community support services etc. If you vote and invest appropriately, your area will be improved. Turning citizens in to local revenge mobs is akin to gang warfare and lawless-ness, with people who don't fit in becoming targets for hate. Too many people have been killed or harmed that way. Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of having a Labour government, crime didn’t exist????vigilantism = lawlessmess Yeah I agree, but I was trying to make the point that things weren’t any better under Labour. I know but had to keep looking up from your post to the one above to see how I cud spell lawlessmess few beers and getting late lol" Yeah me too, it’s never a good idea coming on here this late  | |||
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do? You might want to look up the case of Christopher Daniel then. Technically I did misspeak, technically speaking he was not "convicted" in the sense that he was found guilty of the offense but the court basically decided he shouldn't be punished. But for all intents and purposes the point stands. Afraid I don’t know the nuances of the law in Scotland - looks to be an unusual case re his age etc. Difficult. But not the norm. Not sure any degree of nuance justifies letting someone walk after repeatedly interfering with a 6 year old, but that's the last I'll say on the matter as your position on justice is very clear." If you mean I don’t condone vigilantism, you’re correct. If we disagree on that then yes, we have to agree to disagree | |||
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"Country A invades Country B. As it does so, women are r@ped, children are rounded up and killed. No prisoners are taken. International norms of law and human rights are ignored. Option 1; write a strongly worded letter to the UN and wait for a reply. The UN say it’s very naughty and Country A must stop immediately. International and European Courts of law also say its bad and if the killing of innocents doesn’t stop immediately then a hefty fine and a reprimand will follow. The killing continues unabated Option 2. Fight back. If conventional forces aren’t being successful, organise guerilla warfare to repel the attackers. The law is a complete and utter ass. The Police don’t care. Lawyers get the most guilty people off with a fine and 5 hours making tea for the elderly . Communities know who the guilty are. When justice is not being done or seen to be done, you can either hmm and Harr and mope about the house and wait forever for the white knights charging over the hill with a letter of censure or you can do something about it. Be a man ffs. ( alternately join the Labour Party and take your anger out on the Jewish community and basically get away with it cos ur a m8 of Jezzer)" That’s Daily Mail levels of anger right there. What point are you trying to make? That the OP should declare war on the next street? | |||
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"Country A invades Country B. As it does so, women are r@ped, children are rounded up and killed. No prisoners are taken. International norms of law and human rights are ignored. Option 1; write a strongly worded letter to the UN and wait for a reply. The UN say it’s very naughty and Country A must stop immediately. International and European Courts of law also say its bad and if the killing of innocents doesn’t stop immediately then a hefty fine and a reprimand will follow. The killing continues unabated Option 2. Fight back. If conventional forces aren’t being successful, organise guerilla warfare to repel the attackers. The law is a complete and utter ass. The Police don’t care. Lawyers get the most guilty people off with a fine and 5 hours making tea for the elderly . Communities know who the guilty are. When justice is not being done or seen to be done, you can either hmm and Harr and mope about the house and wait forever for the white knights charging over the hill with a letter of censure or you can do something about it. Be a man ffs. ( alternately join the Labour Party and take your anger out on the Jewish community and basically get away with it cos ur a m8 of Jezzer)" Option 3, option 4, option 5...... | |||
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"If the victim of the theft just continued inside and closed the door and rang the police, he still would have lost his car but he wouldn’t have been stabbed. I can’t understand the impulse to risk losing your life for a lump of metal that was no doubt insured. " I'm glad someone else said this, It's a car surely it's not worth risking a life for | |||
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"When we have convicted child abusers not seeing prison nor being added to the register i'd say this country is well beyond the point where vigilantism is morally justified. The trouble is, vigilantism is a Pandora's box. Once you open it as a society, it doesn't get closed again. Luckily we don’t have convicted child abusers not being added to the sex offenders register then; just checking you weren’t suggesting we do? You might want to look up the case of Christopher Daniel then. Technically I did misspeak, technically speaking he was not "convicted" in the sense that he was found guilty of the offense but the court basically decided he shouldn't be punished. But for all intents and purposes the point stands. Afraid I don’t know the nuances of the law in Scotland - looks to be an unusual case re his age etc. Difficult. But not the norm. Not sure any degree of nuance justifies letting someone walk after repeatedly interfering with a 6 year old, but that's the last I'll say on the matter as your position on justice is very clear. If you mean I don’t condone vigilantism, you’re correct. If we disagree on that then yes, we have to agree to disagree "Well no, it's very clear from my original post that although I think it can be morally justified I don't condone it as it's a letting the genie out of the bottle situation. That isn't what I was referring to at all. | |||
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