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Should parents be able to take their kids out of school whenever they like?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Or just in the school holidays?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

You can't take your annual leave at work whenever you like (employers have the right to refuse requests). Should you be able to go off whenever you like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who has days off during the week, I’d rather the buggers were in school.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

If their attendance is good I don't see a problem, as long as its not being done during tests or exams.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't take your annual leave at work whenever you like (employers have the right to refuse requests). Should you be able to go off whenever you like?

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No but if you can’t take your annual leave at work whenever you like then you should be able to take your children out for a family holiday. To me when both or one parent ( depending on your situation) works full time and perhaps doesn’t get as much family time as they would like i think a holiday as a family is much more important than missing 2 weeks of school. Much more important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents can and do. There are just consequences now with the pathetic fines.....

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By *sh6866Man
over a year ago

halifax

I used to have to work shutdowns...mainly school holidays so we had no option but to take our kids out. Fortunately we had a very understanding head and the kids were doing very well...

Don't see a problem with this arrangement on a wider scale

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should have the normal set holidays plus maybe 1 week per year flexible that can be used whenever one notice has been given.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part. "

No, the parents should research the subject and ensure the kids are up to speed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I do, the current education system isn't fit for purpose anyway, a classroom isn't always the best place for ALL children and whether it's a fortnight on a beach or visiting family who live far away, the life experience will far outweigh the days off.

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By *iscean MaleMan
over a year ago

Darlaston

Yes they should.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park? "

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part. "

This, I used to be married to a Teacher, if a child took a week off her workload went up significantly, never mind if this week one child is on holiday then the week after two or three go on holiday. How would you manage it, Teachers have enough to do as it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility. "

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If people want to be able to take their children out of school at any time they also need to stop expecting schools to be responsible for teaching their kids everything from finance to sex ed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

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By *appytochatMan
over a year ago

Deep in the New Forest

If attendance is 100% apart from genuine sick days. Then simple answer is yes... family always comes first.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part.

No, the parents should research the subject and ensure the kids are up to speed."

Subjects,as they would have to research Maths, English, Science and all other subjects on the curriculum, up to a Teachers standards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here is the thing you should be able to take your own kids out of school if and when you need to.

But that kind of works off the assumption that all parents would use this wisely and well that just unfortunetly woukd not be the case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid. "

the problem is you are clearly a sensible parent who cares about the welfare of their children but there are many out there that don't so those rules have to be in place but I do understand how frustrating it can be. I wholeheartedly agree with you about a family holiday is often grate for the children and for family life in general but there are parents that just take the mickey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid.

the problem is you are clearly a sensible parent who cares about the welfare of their children but there are many out there that don't so those rules have to be in place but I do understand how frustrating it can be. I wholeheartedly agree with you about a family holiday is often grate for the children and for family life in general but there are parents that just take the mickey. "

Definitely. Was just going to comment on your other post. I think it depends where you live but they do make exceptions for certain jobs including the military. I’ve always given proof when holidays couldn’t be taken in school holiday time. It’s always been accepted eventually.

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By *layfulserfMan
over a year ago

Northolt

Only once a year...

My parents could not affoard a holiday in the summer holidays.

The prices were a lot cheeper when the kids went back to school.

I used to cherish that special week

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By *cgkcCouple
over a year ago

Hitchin

I'd rather see legislation to restrict the amount that travel companies increase prices during school holidays.

The school is the most important business in the community and everything should flow from that.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

School isn’t just about scholarly education , it’s about preparing the children for the real world too . As other posters have said , you can’t just take annual leave from work whenever you feel like it . It has to be taken when it’s convenient for everyone . So if you just arbiteraly take kids out of school and say to hell with the consequences , you may be teaching them a life lesson that’s not very good .

If every parent just took their kids out for a fortnight two weeks before term ends so they get a cheaper holiday , there would be an empty classroom . No one wants that do they?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part.

No, the parents should research the subject and ensure the kids are up to speed.

Subjects,as they would have to research Maths, English, Science and all other subjects on the curriculum, up to a Teachers standards "

Yep. I think parents need to weigh up the pros and cons of taking their children out of school and if they decide its worth it then they need to make themselves responsible for ensuring their child isn't disadvantaged in lessons. If that means they need to put a bit of legwork in so be it. There are loads of resources on the net.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or just in the school holidays?"

No, I never did all through bringing three kids up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't the 13 weeks holidays that they have enough time? If you're taking your kids out of school then shouldn't you lose the right to moan about the education that is provided for free? Not all parents are responsible parents unfortunately so one rule has to be for all ... most schools are fairly lenient about holidays until the children are in year 9. Trouble is too many moaning about too much and are/will be never happy with anything and as adults these young adults should learn that time off willy nilly comes with consequences as it does in life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"School isn’t just about scholarly education , it’s about preparing the children for the real world too . As other posters have said , you can’t just take annual leave from work whenever you feel like it . It has to be taken when it’s convenient for everyone . So if you just arbiteraly take kids out of school and say to hell with the consequences , you may be teaching them a life lesson that’s not very good .

If every parent just took their kids out for a fortnight two weeks before term ends so they get a cheaper holiday , there would be an empty classroom . No one wants that do they? "

What if the reason isn’t a cheap holiday though? My reasons have always been if we don’t take them out we can’t go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term."

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shouldn’t the question be, why are holiday companies allowed to dramatically increase the price of a holiday during school holidays. If they didn’t do the price hikes more people wouldn’t want to go out of school holidays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cost of package holidays would rise across the board if this happened

Holiday companies and airlines milk the school break business and it often supports weaker periods for them

The revenue stream is still required, overheads don't change, therefore the net result is an increase in holiday / hotel / flight costs across the year for everyone, not just parents with school age kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree. "

Surely most parents can take a holiday in their 13 weeks off school?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

No just in school holidays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

Surely most parents can take a holiday in their 13 weeks off school? "

Obviously not or I wouldn’t have had to take them out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex took my daughter out of school for the first two weeks after the summer holidays. It put my daughter massively behind.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

When we were children we rarely went on holiday. We used to spend time at home as a family and go for the odd day out. I don't feel I've suffered at all.

When our kids were small we used to go for caravan holidays or rent a cottage if we could afford it. If not we stayed at home and did stuff like kite flying, beach days etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree. "

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"School isn’t just about scholarly education , it’s about preparing the children for the real world too . As other posters have said , you can’t just take annual leave from work whenever you feel like it . It has to be taken when it’s convenient for everyone . So if you just arbiteraly take kids out of school and say to hell with the consequences , you may be teaching them a life lesson that’s not very good .

If every parent just took their kids out for a fortnight two weeks before term ends so they get a cheaper holiday , there would be an empty classroom . No one wants that do they?

What if the reason isn’t a cheap holiday though? My reasons have always been if we don’t take them out we can’t go. "

We spent two years jumping through hoops and going through all manner of meetings and providing evidence etc... to get a EHCP for our son , and we would feel it was wrong on our part for him not to be going to school at all possible times now he has it .

So we would forgo the holiday .

I certainly wouldn’t be having a go at anyone’s in your situation though .

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

We didnt go on cheap holidays we just wanted somewhere in this country where we could take our dog, before that we went on holiday in the school holidays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree."

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or just in the school holidays?"

For whose benefit? Clearly not the child's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When we were children we rarely went on holiday. We used to spend time at home as a family and go for the odd day out. I don't feel I've suffered at all.

When our kids were small we used to go for caravan holidays or rent a cottage if we could afford it. If not we stayed at home and did stuff like kite flying, beach days etc"

Holidays aren't a necessity at all ... go back not long in time and a lot of people never had them! Family time on a regular basis is much more important and sadly missing for many now a days with tvs in bedrooms, social media etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays. "

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?"

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Time together as a family.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I have taken my daughter out on the last few days of the summer term. They never do work during the last week anyway, if I got a fine I'd pay it and still do it again if it meant my daughter got to have a nice holiday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think what people have to remember is that sending your children to school or having them educated is a illegal requirement,people know about before they have children.

most local authorities take a common sense approach and often grant permission when asked by parents. As someone who works in a school i also have to stick to these restrictions and cannot take holiday outside of that and i knew that when i took the job and accepted it.

If you ask permission and it isn't granted and you decide to do it anyway there are consequences as there would be in the workplace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some flexibility would be good but you would always have some who would abuse the system.

As a parent myself, I have done in special circumstances but try not to.

Problem is covering all the school holidays as it is!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'd rather see legislation to restrict the amount that travel companies increase prices during school holidays.

The school is the most important business in the community and everything should flow from that. "

They shouldn't be allowed to hike their prices so much in school holiday times. Or they should spread the cost throughout the year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Time together as a family. "

So how is "time together as a family" better on a holiday abroad during term-time than at home during the Summer break doing fun activities together?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"You can't take your annual leave at work whenever you like (employers have the right to refuse requests). Should you be able to go off whenever you like?

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Children are not employed by schools. I'm afraid it's not the best comparison.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part. "

No. PARENTS should provide the work that they chose their child to miss.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yes I do, the current education system isn't fit for purpose anyway, a classroom isn't always the best place for ALL children and whether it's a fortnight on a beach or visiting family who live far away, the life experience will far outweigh the days off."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't take your annual leave at work whenever you like (employers have the right to refuse requests). Should you be able to go off whenever you like?

Children are not employed by schools. I'm afraid it's not the best comparison."

No but sending your children to school and not taking them out except when absolutely necessary is a legal requirement that people know about for having children.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If there's 30 kids in the class and they all take a week off during the year, should their teachers have to provide them with catch up work so they don't fall behind? Especially if it was the first week of a new subject and the kid won't understand the rest of that module if they missed the first part.

This, I used to be married to a Teacher, if a child took a week off her workload went up significantly, never mind if this week one child is on holiday then the week after two or three go on holiday. How would you manage it, Teachers have enough to do as it is. "

Probably the parents who think that teachers should provide work for individuals on holiday are the same ones that think that teachers should cut up a birthday cake and give it out so that they don't have to .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Time together as a family.

So how is "time together as a family" better on a holiday abroad during term-time than at home during the Summer break doing fun activities together?"

Have you read my comments? If the annual leave is available in school holidays it is taken. On the rare occasion it hasn’t been I have taken them out of school. Don’t see how whether we spend the time at home or abroad is of any relevance. It’s about spending the time together.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"If their attendance is good I don't see a problem, as long as its not being done during tests or exams. "

This, and this is how the primary school that my children went to saw it to. Not so with the high school so when we did take them out (once) we took the fine and still saved over £2k.

That was our first family holiday abroad for years and is do it again for sure!!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

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Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

"

Mine have never been to a kids club. We don’t go on those kind of holidays where they have those.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should , if I go on holiday the week before the school holidays it’s almost half the price of the next 7 weeks, another example of ripping of the hard working people in this country

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By *essons in LustCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield


"Yes I do, the current education system isn't fit for purpose anyway, a classroom isn't always the best place for ALL children and whether it's a fortnight on a beach or visiting family who live far away, the life experience will far outweigh the days off."

Absolutely

And there’s so much negativity on here !

After raising three amazing children and having to fight quite hard for a lot of their educational needs due to the schools not being adequate ( too many kids , high staff turnover etc )

I look back now and think

Actually , if I had taken them out at times when I needed to then they wouldn’t have suffered at all

Plus the whole last week of term ( which would have saved us quite a lot ) was usually spent non ‘curriculum ‘ translated as put a video on

I’m obviously not talking about all the time but those end of term weeks wasted doing nothing

Definitely !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So much curriculum is online now with packages like moodle available so children should be able to access the same materials online as the other kids in class, I have health issues and my son is ASD so o always take the kids on holiday outwoth the school holidays because I can’t cope with busy places, when I worked full time my kids were always in childcare and I hardly had any time with them missed school plays, parents evenings and when my kids were ill I had to get someone else to look after them, very difficult being a single parent and working and to me it was always good quality time where I wasn’t stressed and tired, now I don’t work I spend more time with the kids and we don’t go on so many holidays but to me it’s family respite and the school is ok with that, my eldest missed a family holiday last year because he was doing his exams and his gran was dying of cancer so I took him away for a week when the new term started just the two of us

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By *essons in LustCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield


"If their attendance is good I don't see a problem, as long as its not being done during tests or exams.

This, and this is how the primary school that my children went to saw it to. Not so with the high school so when we did take them out (once) we took the fine and still saved over £2k.

That was our first family holiday abroad for years and is do it again for sure!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So much curriculum is online now with packages like moodle available so children should be able to access the same materials online as the other kids in class, I have health issues and my son is ASD so o always take the kids on holiday outwoth the school holidays because I can’t cope with busy places, when I worked full time my kids were always in childcare and I hardly had any time with them missed school plays, parents evenings and when my kids were ill I had to get someone else to look after them, very difficult being a single parent and working and to me it was always good quality time where I wasn’t stressed and tired, now I don’t work I spend more time with the kids and we don’t go on so many holidays but to me it’s family respite and the school is ok with that, my eldest missed a family holiday last year because he was doing his exams and his gran was dying of cancer so I took him away for a week when the new term started just the two of us "

Exactly and to me that week would have been priceless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

"

I don’t drink and pay premium on all inclusive for the availability of free flowing alcohol ! Me and the kids spend all our time together on holidays they’ve never went to a kids club in their life

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid.

the problem is you are clearly a sensible parent who cares about the welfare of their children but there are many out there that don't so those rules have to be in place but I do understand how frustrating it can be. I wholeheartedly agree with you about a family holiday is often grate for the children and for family life in general but there are parents that just take the mickey. "

Let me get this right again. I'm very interested in the moral argument that's being put forward.

Are you saying that if your children attend school and you have enough money to take them for a holiday then that is a mark of 'caring' for your children.

But if someone takes odd days off here and there then they are clearly not 'caring' for their children but just taking the mickey? And that the 'family' holiday doesn't affect attendance figures or the child's education as much as the sporadic attending child ?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I think that as long as Attendance is good... and notice is given that they should be able to take 1 week out of the school year for a family holiday.

My daughter is home schooled so I don't have to worry about this.. but before she was taken out... I applied for 4 days out of school so I could take my daughter to go to Rome and Pompeii. A very educational trip... would have gone along with the subjects she was doing at school at the time.

We were denied..

I see friends struggling to get the time off at the right time. Not everyone can get annual leave during the school holidays... if everyone else has already booked it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Time together as a family.

So how is "time together as a family" better on a holiday abroad during term-time than at home during the Summer break doing fun activities together?

Have you read my comments? If the annual leave is available in school holidays it is taken. On the rare occasion it hasn’t been I have taken them out of school. Don’t see how whether we spend the time at home or abroad is of any relevance. It’s about spending the time together. "

If you're not looking at a specific period to fall in line with an overseas holiday during the Summer break, you obviously need to book your leave further in advance. If your company won't accommodate this you need to take it up with them. Are they not committed contractually to providing you with a satisfactory work/home life balance? If not, you need to seek employment advice.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

I don’t drink and pay premium on all inclusive for the availability of free flowing alcohol ! Me and the kids spend all our time together on holidays they’ve never went to a kids club in their life "

Mine didn’t either but there are a great number that spend all their time doing just that.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I'd rather see legislation to restrict the amount that travel companies increase prices during school holidays.

The school is the most important business in the community and everything should flow from that. "

I think the home and the hospital far more important than the school. Don't holiday companies just say that they don't put up the prices in the hols but put them DOWN in off peak ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood."

Yes absolutely that is what I'm saying because they will look at it on an individual basis.

So for example if your child has good attendance and you are unable to take your children on holiday in the designated school holidays then it's usually granted.

But also if the school knows that a family isn't in a financial position to take their children on holiday in the designated time they also understand it is more beneficial for the child to go away and have family time. These rules are in place for a specific reason and that is because otherwise it will be a free-for-all and there will be people that abuse the system and it's usually those that get fined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Kids go to school to be educated and one of the important lessons to be learned is discipline, which will stand them in good stead in the workplace. Taking them out of school for holidays is just teaching them that they can do what they want, when they want and I don't believe that will benefit them in the long term.

So 2 weeks of family time altogether when parents work full time the rest of the year wouldn’t benefit them more? I disagree.

2 weeks of family holiday in comparison to a good basic discipline ethic for the rest of their lives would benefit them more? I disagree.

You’re kidding right? Good basically discipline ethic? I’m talking about a 6 year old child who’s parents work full time. Nope family time together is more important to me than missing 2 weeks of school. Nothing to do with cost either. To do with if parents are unable to get annual leave in school holidays.

More important to you? How about putting the needs of the children first?

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Time together as a family.

So how is "time together as a family" better on a holiday abroad during term-time than at home during the Summer break doing fun activities together?

Have you read my comments? If the annual leave is available in school holidays it is taken. On the rare occasion it hasn’t been I have taken them out of school. Don’t see how whether we spend the time at home or abroad is of any relevance. It’s about spending the time together.

If you're not looking at a specific period to fall in line with an overseas holiday during the Summer break, you obviously need to book your leave further in advance. If your company won't accommodate this you need to take it up with them. Are they not committed contractually to providing you with a satisfactory work/home life balance? If not, you need to seek employment advice. "

No they’re not.

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By *UN-ALMan
over a year ago

Near Fenwick

I work overseas and seperated from my wife.... as my holidays differ from uk it is always hard.... what we di is organize time when the school year is ready to switch... normally the school asks for a project to be dine during the holiday so i try to take them to interesting places... always worked for me....

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Isn't the 13 weeks holidays that they have enough time? If you're taking your kids out of school then shouldn't you lose the right to moan about the education that is provided for free? Not all parents are responsible parents unfortunately so one rule has to be for all ... most schools are fairly lenient about holidays until the children are in year 9. Trouble is too many moaning about too much and are/will be never happy with anything and as adults these young adults should learn that time off willy nilly comes with consequences as it does in life "

Education is not free. Far from it. Huge chunk of taxes spent on it. Even the childless pay for the education of the children of others.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

Mine have never been to a kids club. We don’t go on those kind of holidays where they have those. "

Mine have never attended a kids club either but what I’m saying is there are a lot of families that do that.

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By *ust chilled out meMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

When they want not everyone can afford to take there kids away during peak season I think there are kids missing out because of it

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike "

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So much curriculum is online now with packages like moodle available so children should be able to access the same materials online as the other kids in class, I have health issues and my son is ASD so o always take the kids on holiday outwoth the school holidays because I can’t cope with busy places, when I worked full time my kids were always in childcare and I hardly had any time with them missed school plays, parents evenings and when my kids were ill I had to get someone else to look after them, very difficult being a single parent and working and to me it was always good quality time where I wasn’t stressed and tired, now I don’t work I spend more time with the kids and we don’t go on so many holidays but to me it’s family respite and the school is ok with that, my eldest missed a family holiday last year because he was doing his exams and his gran was dying of cancer so I took him away for a week when the new term started just the two of us

Exactly and to me that week would have been priceless. "

I’m

Taking my asd boy to rugby in Rome next year so it’s a fun holiday and he’s getting to go to Rome which he loves as he’s history daft and he wasn’t happy I took the oldest there last year but I love immersing the kids in different cultures and I never got to travel when I was a kid and always felt I missed out my son is away this weekend travelling visiting friends and he’s only

16 but I feel that the way I’ve brought them up gives them a lot more freedom and if he decides to go look for apprenticeship or university away from

Home then even better, where I live lots of people have no ambition or drive and have never seen Scotland never mind the rest of the world and in turn are very small minded not everyone but majority

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By *cgkcCouple
over a year ago

Hitchin


"Don't holiday companies just say that they don't put up the prices in the hols but put them DOWN in off peak ?"

Hehe - I'm sure that's how the pr department spin it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid.

the problem is you are clearly a sensible parent who cares about the welfare of their children but there are many out there that don't so those rules have to be in place but I do understand how frustrating it can be. I wholeheartedly agree with you about a family holiday is often grate for the children and for family life in general but there are parents that just take the mickey.

Let me get this right again. I'm very interested in the moral argument that's being put forward.

Are you saying that if your children attend school and you have enough money to take them for a holiday then that is a mark of 'caring' for your children.

But if someone takes odd days off here and there then they are clearly not 'caring' for their children but just taking the mickey? And that the 'family' holiday doesn't affect attendance figures or the child's education as much as the sporadic attending child ?"

You have very clearly twisted everything I have just said and it is clear that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the law is very clear and everybody knows this.

The majority of parents will not be find it is the ones that constantly abuse the system please don't take my words out of context again and try to say that im saying something I am very clearly not. I am talking about parents who have no regard for the education system and to feel it is perfectly acceptable to take their children out whenever they feel like it and also those that are very responsible and do not take their children to school simply because they cannot be bothered.

I think you have clearly misunderstood what I am trying to say I'm trying to make it into something it isn't!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So much curriculum is online now with packages like moodle available so children should be able to access the same materials online as the other kids in class, I have health issues and my son is ASD so o always take the kids on holiday outwoth the school holidays because I can’t cope with busy places, when I worked full time my kids were always in childcare and I hardly had any time with them missed school plays, parents evenings and when my kids were ill I had to get someone else to look after them, very difficult being a single parent and working and to me it was always good quality time where I wasn’t stressed and tired, now I don’t work I spend more time with the kids and we don’t go on so many holidays but to me it’s family respite and the school is ok with that, my eldest missed a family holiday last year because he was doing his exams and his gran was dying of cancer so I took him away for a week when the new term started just the two of us

Exactly and to me that week would have been priceless.

I’m

Taking my asd boy to rugby in Rome next year so it’s a fun holiday and he’s getting to go to Rome which he loves as he’s history daft and he wasn’t happy I took the oldest there last year but I love immersing the kids in different cultures and I never got to travel when I was a kid and always felt I missed out my son is away this weekend travelling visiting friends and he’s only

16 but I feel that the way I’ve brought them up gives them a lot more freedom and if he decides to go look for apprenticeship or university away from

Home then even better, where I live lots of people have no ambition or drive and have never seen Scotland never mind the rest of the world and in turn are very small minded not everyone but majority "

Good on you. Life skills and experience is just as important as academic education. I’d do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"‘Family time’ is an interesting one because quite often the children go to the kids club on holiday and might not spend that much time with their parents. Is the holidays for all the family? Was the child asked? Or is it for the parents?

Broken weeks add up to more than a fortnight for some pupils, they’re the ones that should give cause for concern.

It’s important that children learn both in school and from parents being a good example. They shouldn’t be off school unless absolutely necessary.

Whilst holidays continue to be so expensive outside of term time you will get people taking their children out of school. Fines will not stop that.

Mine have never been to a kids club. We don’t go on those kind of holidays where they have those.

Mine have never attended a kids club either but what I’m saying is there are a lot of families that do that. "

Yes there are for sure and also I don’t agree with taking them out because holidays are cheaper.

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By *essons in LustCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield


"So much curriculum is online now with packages like moodle available so children should be able to access the same materials online as the other kids in class, I have health issues and my son is ASD so o always take the kids on holiday outwoth the school holidays because I can’t cope with busy places, when I worked full time my kids were always in childcare and I hardly had any time with them missed school plays, parents evenings and when my kids were ill I had to get someone else to look after them, very difficult being a single parent and working and to me it was always good quality time where I wasn’t stressed and tired, now I don’t work I spend more time with the kids and we don’t go on so many holidays but to me it’s family respite and the school is ok with that, my eldest missed a family holiday last year because he was doing his exams and his gran was dying of cancer so I took him away for a week when the new term started just the two of us

Exactly and to me that week would have been priceless.

I’m

Taking my asd boy to rugby in Rome next year so it’s a fun holiday and he’s getting to go to Rome which he loves as he’s history daft and he wasn’t happy I took the oldest there last year but I love immersing the kids in different cultures and I never got to travel when I was a kid and always felt I missed out my son is away this weekend travelling visiting friends and he’s only

16 but I feel that the way I’ve brought them up gives them a lot more freedom and if he decides to go look for apprenticeship or university away from

Home then even better, where I live lots of people have no ambition or drive and have never seen Scotland never mind the rest of the world and in turn are very small minded not everyone but majority

Good on you. Life skills and experience is just as important as academic education. I’d do the same. "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood.

Yes absolutely that is what I'm saying because they will look at it on an individual basis.

So for example if your child has good attendance and you are unable to take your children on holiday in the designated school holidays then it's usually granted.

But also if the school knows that a family isn't in a financial position to take their children on holiday in the designated time they also understand it is more beneficial for the child to go away and have family time. These rules are in place for a specific reason and that is because otherwise it will be a free-for-all and there will be people that abuse the system and it's usually those that get fined. "

Thanks for that. Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Hypocrisy and double standards.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though "
they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike "

Why ? The 'training' days were taken off the holidays.

The teachers do 5 EXTRA days and your children would have still been off anyway.

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By *cgkcCouple
over a year ago

Hitchin


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them "

They are being trained in non-teaching time. Your kids still get their 190 days.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them "

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood.

Yes absolutely that is what I'm saying because they will look at it on an individual basis.

So for example if your child has good attendance and you are unable to take your children on holiday in the designated school holidays then it's usually granted.

But also if the school knows that a family isn't in a financial position to take their children on holiday in the designated time they also understand it is more beneficial for the child to go away and have family time. These rules are in place for a specific reason and that is because otherwise it will be a free-for-all and there will be people that abuse the system and it's usually those that get fined.

Thanks for that. Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Hypocrisy and double standards. "

of course it doesn't i work in a school and yes that was a choice.I care passionately about the welfare and education of children because i certainly don't do it the money as i earn very little and would get much more in the private sector.

Your insinuations are offensive and also I have never been abroad on holiday because I can't afford to because I choose to work in a school to educate other people's children so please don't tell me it's hypocrisy!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Whenever? If they don't feel like getting up on Mondays, if the kid doesn't like pe (I've known parents who do this), if the parent doesn't like a particular teacher, if they have cheap tickets for Thorpe Park?

I know parents that do this too. Doesn't teach their kids respect or responsibility.

Yes I don’t agree with days here and there. But when it comes to a family holiday I think that’s more important than 2 weeks off school. I wouldn’t pay a fine. I’ve fought it a few times and never paid.

the problem is you are clearly a sensible parent who cares about the welfare of their children but there are many out there that don't so those rules have to be in place but I do understand how frustrating it can be. I wholeheartedly agree with you about a family holiday is often grate for the children and for family life in general but there are parents that just take the mickey.

Let me get this right again. I'm very interested in the moral argument that's being put forward.

Are you saying that if your children attend school and you have enough money to take them for a holiday then that is a mark of 'caring' for your children.

But if someone takes odd days off here and there then they are clearly not 'caring' for their children but just taking the mickey? And that the 'family' holiday doesn't affect attendance figures or the child's education as much as the sporadic attending child ?

You have very clearly twisted everything I have just said and it is clear that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the law is very clear and everybody knows this.

The majority of parents will not be find it is the ones that constantly abuse the system please don't take my words out of context again and try to say that im saying something I am very clearly not. I am talking about parents who have no regard for the education system and to feel it is perfectly acceptable to take their children out whenever they feel like it and also those that are very responsible and do not take their children to school simply because they cannot be bothered.

I think you have clearly misunderstood what I am trying to say I'm trying to make it into something it isn't!"

You're wrong. I asked for clarity. I didn't accuse you of anything.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them "

Read the comments lovely there are 190 teaching days. The 5 training days are not included in contact time with children.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. "
hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

Read the comments lovely there are 190 teaching days. The 5 training days are not included in contact time with children. "

Some schools did trial putting the 5 training days together in one week so the parents could take advantage of Cheaper holidays.

From what I understand it didn't really work unless all the local schools did the same because parents often have children in different schools.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood.

Yes absolutely that is what I'm saying because they will look at it on an individual basis.

So for example if your child has good attendance and you are unable to take your children on holiday in the designated school holidays then it's usually granted.

But also if the school knows that a family isn't in a financial position to take their children on holiday in the designated time they also understand it is more beneficial for the child to go away and have family time. These rules are in place for a specific reason and that is because otherwise it will be a free-for-all and there will be people that abuse the system and it's usually those that get fined.

Thanks for that. Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Hypocrisy and double standards.

of course it doesn't i work in a school and yes that was a choice.I care passionately about the welfare and education of children because i certainly don't do it the money as i earn very little and would get much more in the private sector.

Your insinuations are offensive and also I have never been abroad on holiday because I can't afford to because I choose to work in a school to educate other people's children so please don't tell me it's hypocrisy! "

I defend your right to feel offended.

I said that I find a system that has rules but breaks them for some smacks of hypocrisy.

You can virtue signal all you wish but there were no personal comments made about you.

I won't respond to your posts again - for the sake of peace on the forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I understand what people are saying about being able to take family holidays.

However that rule is in place because there are parents who don't take the Education of their children seriously and sometimes don't bring their children to school just because they can't be bothered.

Most schools take a common sense approach and actually I think a lot of parents don't mind paying the £60 fine per child because it's still is a lot cheaper summer holiday when the children are all off.

Most schools will take into consideration parents that work shift patterns or those in the emergency services ect, who are restricted when they can take leave.

Are you saying that schools will fine some parents but not others based on their work shift patterns or profession ? Or have I misunderstood.

Yes absolutely that is what I'm saying because they will look at it on an individual basis.

So for example if your child has good attendance and you are unable to take your children on holiday in the designated school holidays then it's usually granted.

But also if the school knows that a family isn't in a financial position to take their children on holiday in the designated time they also understand it is more beneficial for the child to go away and have family time. These rules are in place for a specific reason and that is because otherwise it will be a free-for-all and there will be people that abuse the system and it's usually those that get fined.

Thanks for that. Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Hypocrisy and double standards.

of course it doesn't i work in a school and yes that was a choice.I care passionately about the welfare and education of children because i certainly don't do it the money as i earn very little and would get much more in the private sector.

Your insinuations are offensive and also I have never been abroad on holiday because I can't afford to because I choose to work in a school to educate other people's children so please don't tell me it's hypocrisy!

I defend your right to feel offended.

I said that I find a system that has rules but breaks them for some smacks of hypocrisy.

You can virtue signal all you wish but there were no personal comments made about you.

I won't respond to your posts again - for the sake of peace on the forum.

"

I think that's probably best because you have clearly misinterpreted what I have said.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I've known teachers to go on hols in term time. Bet they didn't get a bloody fine

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By *iss.RedWoman
over a year ago

somewhere


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time "

You're really not getting this

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By *iss.RedWoman
over a year ago

somewhere


"I've known teachers to go on hols in term time. Bet they didn't get a bloody fine "

No fine but would be unpaid leave and at the discretion of the head

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time "

They really don't. Because it happens in the same week as a holiday is due to start/end does not mean it is happening in your kids' time.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I've known teachers to go on hols in term time. Bet they didn't get a bloody fine "

I can't see how it was approved. When I was a school governor I had appeals for days off being denied.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

They really don't. Because it happens in the same week as a holiday is due to start/end does not mean it is happening in your kids' time.

"

That's not always the case they are occasionally in the middle of a term although most schools try to tag them onto the end or beginning of a holiday as you said. Normally if its not, its because they have booked someone to come and do some training and that's the only time they can do.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

They really don't. Because it happens in the same week as a holiday is due to start/end does not mean it is happening in your kids' time.

That's not always the case they are occasionally in the middle of a term although most schools try to tag them onto the end or beginning of a holiday as you said. Normally if its not, its because they have booked someone to come and do some training and that's the only time they can do. "

I know, but that was longer than I wanted to type, or thought would be understood. I understand that the same specialist can't be in every school on the same date.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

They really don't. Because it happens in the same week as a holiday is due to start/end does not mean it is happening in your kids' time.

That's not always the case they are occasionally in the middle of a term although most schools try to tag them onto the end or beginning of a holiday as you said. Normally if its not, its because they have booked someone to come and do some training and that's the only time they can do.

I know, but that was longer than I wanted to type, or thought would be understood. I understand that the same specialist can't be in every school on the same date."

that's exactly the reason. I'm always the kind of person that if you can you use 5 words to explain something I'm going to use 20. I can be a bit long-winded but usually get my point Across in the end.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

You're really not getting this "
correct I can’t see the difference between teachers having strikes in term time also training days in term time but fine parents for taking kids out I remember getting texts from the school saying due to bad weather teachers can’t make it in so school is closed more like they want a day off but as you said I’m just not getting it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

You're really not getting this correct I can’t see the difference between teachers having strikes in term time also training days in term time but fine parents for taking kids out I remember getting texts from the school saying due to bad weather teachers can’t make it in so school is closed more like they want a day off but as you said I’m just not getting it "

I may be wrong, I don't know much about the UK school system but isn't teaching a job? What state funded education would they miss if they took leave during term time?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

You're really not getting this correct I can’t see the difference between teachers having strikes in term time also training days in term time but fine parents for taking kids out I remember getting texts from the school saying due to bad weather teachers can’t make it in so school is closed more like they want a day off but as you said I’m just not getting it "

Bad weather in summer?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

You're really not getting this correct I can’t see the difference between teachers having strikes in term time also training days in term time but fine parents for taking kids out I remember getting texts from the school saying due to bad weather teachers can’t make it in so school is closed more like they want a day off but as you said I’m just not getting it "

Training days aren’t in term time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

No.

Sometimes.

Maybe.

Never.

Think that covers it.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"So should schools give parents money back when they have teacher training days or when they go on strike

Of course not because your child is entitled to 190 school days. Inset days are outside of that number.

People would be quick enough to complain if they didn’t train though they should train in there own time Not our kids time maybe we should fine them

They don't train in your kids time. Jesus..... they train in what was once their own holiday time. hang on a minute they do train in our kids term time they don’t train during the holidays so maybe they should do it in there time and not our kids time

You're really not getting this correct I can’t see the difference between teachers having strikes in term time also training days in term time but fine parents for taking kids out I remember getting texts from the school saying due to bad weather teachers can’t make it in so school is closed more like they want a day off but as you said I’m just not getting it

Bad weather in summer?"
winter time when we get an inch of snow and the school think it’s best to close as the roads are hazardous for the teachers to travel on

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