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Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving? | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"Wtf how are you trying to make this about race? Lame troll thread tbh | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Wtf how are you trying to make this about race?
Lame troll thread tbh"You think a different man would have experienced the same reaction he's getting? | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"Attack Ant if you want to but attack him for drink driving not for being white. His crime went public because of his fame. I'd say he paid the price. I'd say the 'people' have spoken. I'd say that there isn't any link to skin colour, not even a marginally tenuous one. And if we are working on pure supposition then i'd say YES. YES if Ant McPartlin was black the people would still love him and want him back. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Wtf how are you trying to make this about race?
Lame troll thread tbh"I just read the Op and thought the same  | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Attack Ant if you want to but attack him for drink driving not for being white.
His crime went public because of his fame. I'd say he paid the price. I'd say the 'people' have spoken.
I'd say that there isn't any link to skin colour, not even a marginally tenuous one.
And if we are working on pure supposition then i'd say YES. YES if Ant McPartlin was black the people would still love him and want him back. "Maybe. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Wtf how are you trying to make this about race?
Lame troll thread tbh
You think a different man would have experienced the same reaction he's getting?"No, possibly not. However people are becoming more tolerant and understanding towards addiction issues and mental health problems. People are more willing to understand and accept faults and issues with those in the public eye, maybe we've become desensitised to things like this in recent years. His demons were published publicly for everyone's selatious titillation which will also garner sympathy. I very much doubt that a person of any colour would receive different treatment and its rather a random way to attempt to elicit controversy on a subject. | |||
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"I don't think it's anything to do with race. I do think it's todo with familiarity and persona. many people have grown up watching Ant and Dec or watched them growing up on screen. They're billed as your mates/those nice boys next door etc. So a lot of people see them in the same way as they would see their son or nephew having committed the same crime - oh he's a nice lad at heart, he's made some mistakes and had a few problems etc. They make allowances for someone they think they know. I think there are lots of other celebrities who wouldn't have had it half as easy and any other non-celeb in the news would get the same - regardless of race on both counts. " I think you make some good points.  | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Wtf how are you trying to make this about race?
Lame troll thread tbh
You think a different man would have experienced the same reaction he's getting?
No, possibly not. However people are becoming more tolerant and understanding towards addiction issues and mental health problems. People are more willing to understand and accept faults and issues with those in the public eye, maybe we've become desensitised to things like this in recent years.
His demons were published publicly for everyone's selatious titillation which will also garner sympathy.
I very much doubt that a person of any colour would receive different treatment and its rather a random way to attempt to elicit controversy on a subject. "The people are assuming it's about controversy. It's not. I'm not convinced yet. Although Crimson Rose is swaying me very much. I think she's probably right. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"It's not heart warming. And it's like asking if you like wine, are flowers blue. Cognitive dissonance.  | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models." I stuck up for him when it happened. My opinion has changed. Kerry Katona didn't get an outpouring of love when she had issues. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models. I stuck up for him when it happened. My opinion has changed. Kerry Katona didn't get an outpouring of love when she had issues. " She's not as popular. It's all very hit and miss and a lot depends on public feeling and handling by the media. No one praised Ant's actions at the time. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models." Wealth isn't a 100% proof shield. I'm not a fan of his per-se. I see his appeal to the masses. Society isn't really broken is it ? It's morphing and stretching but I don't know if it's broken. Do you really think that parents say .... if you eat your cabbage you could grow up like Ant n Dec? I wouldn't be too disappointed if my offspring found the friendship they have, the success they have had , the kindnesses they show. He's human, he's frail, he's forgiven. He might not have forgiven himself tho..... Is it the drink driving that annoys people or the fact that he hit other cars with people in ? You can do that sober. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models. I stuck up for him when it happened. My opinion has changed. Kerry Katona didn't get an outpouring of love when she had issues. " I think that she did though. Many are willing to give people a second chance, it's when they hit their third, fourth or fifth like she did that they get tired. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Attack Ant if you want to but attack him for drink driving not for being white.
His crime went public because of his fame. I'd say he paid the price. I'd say the 'people' have spoken.
I'd say that there isn't any link to skin colour, not even a marginally tenuous one.
And if we are working on pure supposition then i'd say YES. YES if Ant McPartlin was black the people would still love him and want him back. " | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone." I agree with you. He's a good and decent man that made a mistake. If he was an unpleasant twat people would let him sink. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"Just trying to think how many famous black celebrity drink-drivers I can call to mind. Then I remembered drink driving is a white man's crime, if the police catch you driving while of ethnic minority origins they normally skip the booze test and go straight for the "smells like cannabis in here, doesn't it, Officer B?", "why yes it does officer A let's rip the car apart and see what we find“ routine. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Just trying to think how many famous black celebrity drink-drivers I can call to mind. Then I remembered drink driving is a white man's crime, if the police catch you driving while of ethnic minority origins they normally skip the booze test and go straight for the "smells like cannabis in here, doesn't it, Officer B?", "why yes it does officer A let's rip the car apart and see what we find“ routine. "Drink driving and driving under the influence of drugs are both dangerous, should the police wave them on their way or do their job! | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone. I agree with you. He's a good and decent man that made a mistake. If he was an unpleasant twat people would let him sink." yep | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Just trying to think how many famous black celebrity drink-drivers I can call to mind. Then I remembered drink driving is a white man's crime, if the police catch you driving while of ethnic minority origins they normally skip the booze test and go straight for the "smells like cannabis in here, doesn't it, Officer B?", "why yes it does officer A let's rip the car apart and see what we find“ routine. "If they do that maybe it's got more to do with what they can smell than any other contributory factor. | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone." I've been using Facebook too much recently I'm looking for the like button. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Just trying to think how many famous black celebrity drink-drivers I can call to mind. Then I remembered drink driving is a white man's crime, if the police catch you driving while of ethnic minority origins they normally skip the booze test and go straight for the "smells like cannabis in here, doesn't it, Officer B?", "why yes it does officer A let's rip the car apart and see what we find“ routine.
If they do that maybe it's got more to do with what they can smell than any other contributory factor.
"It'd be nice to think so but I'm only a little dark-skinned but I've had that treatment before. And I hadn't so much as looked at a jazz cigarette for about six months prior to the incident, squeaky clean record, no previous etc etc. You'd think they were acting on a tip-off they were so sure of themselves. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models. Wealth isn't a 100% proof shield. I'm not a fan of his per-se. I see his appeal to the masses. Society isn't really broken is it ? It's morphing and stretching but I don't know if it's broken. Do you really think that parents say .... if you eat your cabbage you could grow up like Ant n Dec? I wouldn't be too disappointed if my offspring found the friendship they have, the success they have had , the kindnesses they show. He's human, he's frail, he's forgiven. He might not have forgiven himself tho..... Is it the drink driving that annoys people or the fact that he hit other cars with people in ? You can do that sober. " That's a really good point Granny, thank you. He did apologise. And he took himself off screen to get better instead of parading himself around playing the victim. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"Must try harder. | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone." That's a good point too. They liked him for a reason. It wasn't a 'Kim Kardashian' type popularity. They both seem genuinely nice. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"whats him being white got to do with it theres lots of popular black presenters would be welcomed back Ainsley Lenny henry To name 2 strait off the bat | |||
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"He's a head and an alcoholic and he makes a lot of money for people who couldn't give a fuck." I read that there's an injunction against his ex wife to stop her talking about him. I wonder what he's afraid of people finding out. | |||
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"He's a head and an alcoholic and he makes a lot of money for people who couldn't give a fuck. I read that there's an injunction against his ex wife to stop her talking about him. I wonder what he's afraid of people finding out. " And lots of people are in confidentiality contracts  | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone. I've been using Facebook too much recently I'm looking for the like button." I wish Fab were more like Faceplant. Mad cat ladies would be easier to spot | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone. I've been using Facebook too much recently I'm looking for the like button. I wish Fab were more like Faceplant. Mad cat ladies would be easier to spot "I did consider Crazy Cat Lady as a username  | |||
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"He's a convicted drink driver. That's just makes him an idiot. Nothing more. Lots of people are convicted of crimes and return to their careers. Non-story really. " Agreed People make mistakes , people do all sorts it crazy shit at different times in their lives Does it make him a bad person or will it make him a better person ? Often we don’t know the full picture to anyone’s life celeb or reality | |||
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"He fucked up He admitted it Hes carrying on with his life. End" Best thing I’ve heard in a long time | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"Honestly just be happy for the guy ! Fuck where the hell does race come into this look he fell from the top hit rock bottom worked hard to climb back up and carry on he could of given up been another statistic in the mental health situation could cope and gave up called it a day but he’s got a back bone and some heart give him credit ! | |||
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"If I made this thread I'd have a forum ban no doubt" Why? | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
Attack Ant if you want to but attack him for drink driving not for being white.
His crime went public because of his fame. I'd say he paid the price. I'd say the 'people' have spoken.
I'd say that there isn't any link to skin colour, not even a marginally tenuous one.
And if we are working on pure supposition then i'd say YES. YES if Ant McPartlin was black the people would still love him and want him back. "Brilliant! | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone. That's a good point too. They liked him for a reason. It wasn't a 'Kim Kardashian' type popularity. They both seem genuinely nice. " One of the kardashians waa done for drink driving still on telly | |||
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"I don't think it's anything to do with race. I do think it's todo with familiarity and persona. many people have grown up watching Ant and Dec or watched them growing up on screen. They're billed as your mates/those nice boys next door etc. So a lot of people see them in the same way as they would see their son or nephew having committed the same crime - oh he's a nice lad at heart, he's made some mistakes and had a few problems etc. They make allowances for someone they think they know. I think there are lots of other celebrities who wouldn't have had it half as easy and any other non-celeb in the news would get the same - regardless of race on both counts. I think you make some good points. "You rarely do! | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?"This isnt a race issue, if there is an issue, it's to do with how the public forgive celebrities of crimes that they'd be less forgiving of it the perso was not in the line light. That said, he didnt kill anyone and has worked hard to address his issues. If you really want to start a fight, did you think people would be more tolerant of you OP, using this thread to stir-up people on the grounds of race because you're a woman? | |||
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"Not your finest thread. Nothing to do with race. " Totally agreed. Race has nothing to do with it. Just stirring up a hornets nest for the sake of it in my opinion. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
This isnt a race issue, if there is an issue, it's to do with how the public forgive celebrities of crimes that they'd be less forgiving of it the perso was not in the line light.
That said, he didnt kill anyone and has worked hard to address his issues.
If you really want to start a fight, did you think people would be more tolerant of you OP, using this thread to stir-up people on the grounds of race because you're a woman?"I'm not looking to start a fight at all, people are doing that on their own. It's a question that was asked elsewhere and I thought it was interesting. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of anyone who crashes a car into someone else, because they were d*unk. Especially when they have his level of wealth. No excuses. I'd still have little respect for him if he were a black drink driver. Just another sad example of our sad, broken society. Celebrity worshiping those who've no business being role models." This | |||
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"His popularity has been the main reason the public have ‘forgiven’ him more readily than others. I think it is as simple as that. I think popularity or perhaps more importantly being loved and the type of misdemeanour, as well as contrition, often determine our ability to forgive someone. I've been using Facebook too much recently I'm looking for the like button. I wish Fab were more like Faceplant. Mad cat ladies would be easier to spot "Does having 4.5 cats count...?  | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
This isnt a race issue, if there is an issue, it's to do with how the public forgive celebrities of crimes that they'd be less forgiving of it the perso was not in the line light.
That said, he didnt kill anyone and has worked hard to address his issues.
If you really want to start a fight, did you think people would be more tolerant of you OP, using this thread to stir-up people on the grounds of race because you're a woman?
I'm not looking to start a fight at all, people are doing that on their own. It's a question that was asked elsewhere and I thought it was interesting. "The real interesting thing is how we idolise celebrities. It is worth remembering that normal people get to keep their jobs when they have comitted similar crimes, we just don't get to hear about it and it's not so public. Are you saying that, because he messed up his life (and the lives of people in similar circumstances) should be totally destroyed? | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
This isnt a race issue, if there is an issue, it's to do with how the public forgive celebrities of crimes that they'd be less forgiving of it the perso was not in the line light.
That said, he didnt kill anyone and has worked hard to address his issues.
If you really want to start a fight, did you think people would be more tolerant of you OP, using this thread to stir-up people on the grounds of race because you're a woman?
I'm not looking to start a fight at all, people are doing that on their own. It's a question that was asked elsewhere and I thought it was interesting.
The real interesting thing is how we idolise celebrities. It is worth remembering that normal people get to keep their jobs when they have comitted similar crimes, we just don't get to hear about it and it's not so public.
Are you saying that, because he messed up his life (and the lives of people in similar circumstances) should be totally destroyed?"No not saying that at all. I agree with your first paragraph. | |||
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"Back on tv and getting awards even though he took a year off after driving d*unk and crashing his car into a family. People have really missed his cheeky smile.
Would it have been this heart warming if he was a black man convicted of d*unk driving?
This isnt a race issue, if there is an issue, it's to do with how the public forgive celebrities of crimes that they'd be less forgiving of it the perso was not in the line light.
That said, he didnt kill anyone and has worked hard to address his issues.
If you really want to start a fight, did you think people would be more tolerant of you OP, using this thread to stir-up people on the grounds of race because you're a woman?"People only seem to give a shit about drink driving if its a celebrity. Its a fairly common crime and most people just Carry on with thier jobs and lives. The vast majority never even get caught and its not even something thats our of the ordinary | |||
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