FabSwingers.com forum: Racist ??

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

My view is Bond has always been White and always should be. A replacement which was a person of colour would be as rediculous as rebooting the fresh prince with Ed Sheeran or Shaft with Jason statham. An idea I had to appease (for want if a better word) the objectors, was to introduce a black spy (there’s 8 other double oh agents), do a cross over movie then let that character stand on his own merits, but keep James Bond white....thoughts ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't give a toss if he was green with yellow spots . Wouldn't watch a Bond movie if I was paid .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually agree, 007 is white, Ian Fleming drew a picture of how he thought James bond would look like, white and dark hair,if you Google James bond and go on Wikipedia it's there

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Couldn't give a toss if he was green with yellow spots . Wouldn't watch a Bond movie if I was paid ."

That’s one vote for indifferent then

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I actually agree, 007 is white, Ian Fleming drew a picture of how he thought James bond would look like, white and dark hair,if you Google James bond and go on Wikipedia it's there"

Yes I saw that last night when I was “arguing “

For the record, I wasn’t arguing, I was explaining why I was right ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couldn't give a toss if he was green with yellow spots . Wouldn't watch a Bond movie if I was paid .

That’s one vote for indifferent then

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think the colour of a persons skin should be in any way significant. How tanned should James Bond be, is there a shade of brown beyond which it becomes unacceptable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And for the records I don't like bond films

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

I agree, it isn’t racist, it’s merely a preference and an opinion some over sensative snowflakes might get triggered by. Your arguments perfectly fine, I personally wouldn’t mind, i do like Idris Elba, he probably would make a pretty decent bond character.

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By *layfulCouple86Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

I can see your point but I'd love to see Idris take up the role of bond and not because the colour of his skin. I just think he's a great actor and would do an excellent job.

I also like the idea of the spin off with a different 00 agent and whilst it's a good compromise I don't think it would hold the same appeal.

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

Why should 007 just be white?....just because he,s white in the book?....I used to love 007 back in the day because of the actor playing the role....some charm and character Sean Connery for example...cannot for the life of me see the problem in casting a good actor for the role who cares if he,s pink with poker dots as long as he acts his toosh off....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

I can see your point but I'd love to see Idris take up the role of bond and not because the colour of his skin. I just think he's a great actor and would do an excellent job.

I also like the idea of the spin off with a different 00 agent and whilst it's a good compromise I don't think it would hold the same appeal."

Yeah, I think its who's best for the job. The colour paint you have on your wall is the only time a colour chart should be used to make a decision

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think the colour of a persons skin should be in any way significant. How tanned should James Bond be, is there a shade of brown beyond which it becomes unacceptable? "

Not shades of brown as such, but the character was written as a Caucasian male “with the blandest Anglo Saxon name” Fleming could think of (taken from the author of a bird watching book). Being branded a racist for wanting the (albeit readily diluted) character to stay as true as possible to the books seemed a tad strange. When asked about role reversal (white actor playing historically black fictional characters ) I was informed THAT would be stupid and wouldn’t work. People can be strange

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Hes been my choice for the next Bond for ages. But not because hes black , because he has the perfect persona and charisma for the role , that's it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit like Jesus being brown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your all missing the point,it's not about idris fucking Elba or Jackie can playing James bond, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck who plays him, the FACTS are, James bond is Caucasian as written by the author Ian flemming

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

I can see your point but I'd love to see Idris take up the role of bond and not because the colour of his skin. I just think he's a great actor and would do an excellent job.

I also like the idea of the spin off with a different 00 agent and whilst it's a good compromise I don't think it would hold the same appeal."

I might be onto something here then. Must look into it....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

That’s something we agree on! A white guy in first century Palestine?!???????!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I don't think the colour of a persons skin should be in any way significant. How tanned should James Bond be, is there a shade of brown beyond which it becomes unacceptable?

I understand what you're saying. It does work both ways. I think that it would be difficult to cast an array of races in for example the roles of the Zulus in the movie Zulu. However loads of gay actors are cast in straight roles and vice versa. The performing arts always involve a certain element of suspension of disbelief.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Not racist, but odd (in my view) to have such a firmly held opinion on a fictional character.

Just because the fictional character has always been played by a white actor - however true to the description in the books, which were written in a very different time, we should remember (Bond's misogyny has also been toned down!) - doesn't mean he always has to be, especially as they're not even explicitly based on the books now.

If I were a black actor I would be frustrated at being told parts weren't open to me because "it's always been a white actor...".

Now this isn't me arguing for a black Bond, just that the thing that matters most is that they're good to watch. As it happens, I think Idris is a bad actor so he wouldn't get my vote.

Remember everyone going mad over a female Dr Who too: everyone just needs to relax! Made-up characters can be anything to anyone - that's their beauty!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hes been my choice for the next Bond for ages. But not because hes black , because he has the perfect persona and charisma for the role , that's it

Tom Hardy please, and for extra points Tom Huddleston as the baddie

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

trevor noah has an interesting take on idris elba as james bond.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgoC_eSYx0U

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clive Owen for james bond .

Teresa may for miss Moneypenny

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By *heshire DilfMan
over a year ago

Cheshire

You're entitled to your opinion. I wouldn't say it's racist because, it's an opinion based on the provenance of the original character outlined in the book, and not because you plainly don't like black folk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes."

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”"

My comment still stands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bond could be any skin colour. If the films had any kind of story that matched the books.. then maybe not.

They don't though, one or two maybe. The actors change, yet still they bump into same organisations and people. Which lends creedence to the theory James Bond 007 is a code name in Bond Cinematic Universe. Which means he can be anyone.

Lack of continuity is a wonderful thing sometimes.

Anyone who refuses to accept that doesn't understand the Bond movies as they are. You may think of Bond as a white guy, but there's no real reason he can't be Black.

Marvel switched some characters ethnicity around, didn't ruin or insult the original comics.

Chill the hell out, it's just a story, does it really matter what ethnicity the character is.

Bond films are shit anyway.

Idris Elba is a great actor, has the suave, the confidence, the looks, the strength to play a good Bond. Probably too good for the 00 franchise.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

How do you feel about black actors taking the lead roles in Shakespeare plays? (Excluding Othello)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands."

Obviously..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you feel about black actors taking the lead roles in Shakespeare plays? (Excluding Othello)"

Yeah, get a black actor to play portia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies. "

I can't think of any, maybe idris can play 008

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

that is a very good point.... remind me to make this very complaint in the next few weeks when over easter we see loads of white dudes play jesus!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

that is a very good point.... remind me to make this very complaint in the next few weeks when over easter we see loads of white dudes play jesus!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies. "

He should be driving a Bentley

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

What about Judy Dench playing M. I'm not familiar with the books bit wasn't M a guy in them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies.

He should be driving a Bentley "

Then set the films in the fifties if you want to be true to the books.

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

that is a very good point.... remind me to make this very complaint in the next few weeks when over easter we see loads of white dudes play jesus!!!

a previous thread said Jesus was a zombie

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

Barry Nelson was the first bond and he was American

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

Barry Nelson was the first bond and he was American "

And you forgot George Lazenby who was Australian

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

You forgot the welsh and the Australian

He was originally Scottish (Scottish father Swiss mother )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

Barry Nelson was the first bond and he was American

And you forgot George Lazenby who was Australian "

was he big Down Under

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

Barry Nelson was the first bond and he was American "

Ooooooo forgot American!....then English then Scottish etc etc etc....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Noooooo crnt change to black.....but can change from hmmmmm let's see *English then Scottish then Irish then back to English *

Barry Nelson was the first bond and he was American "

Jimmy Bond CIA agent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current "

So do you want the films set in the fifties?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current "

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies.

He should be driving a Bentley

Then set the films in the fifties if you want to be true to the books."

Agreed !

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Does it really mater when he’s almost changed faces as often as dr who

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Naomi Watts for the next Bond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would not bother me, in fact I'd like to see Anthony Joshua as bond

He is the ultimate male ever born. Makes white men look pathetic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

So do you want the films set in the fifties?"

They were originally,1954 the original casino royal with Barry Nelson

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...? "

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

So do you want the films set in the fifties?

They were originally,1954 the original casino royal with Barry Nelson "

But you’re not answering the question. Do you want the modern Bond movies set in the fifties? Do you keep the racist stereotypes that litter the original books, not forgetting that one chapter was entitled Ni**er Heaven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Why would this worry you? Boggles my mind that someone would care about the skin colour of the actor for a movie. I have no concept of how you could think like this. It's so bizarre.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound "

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu."

But the colour of Bond isn’t integral to the storyline.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Sure. I disagree (there are few rules in fiction, surely) but I hope you don't think I was calling you a racist - I wasn't. We're all entitled to an opinion, especially on a fictional character!

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

I decided I’d never watch a Bond movie ,, when I found out Norman Wisdom didn’t get the roll

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu."

Zulu was a true story based on real events and the zulu warriors in the film were actually real zulu people...007 is fictional so who cares what his ethnicity is...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Political correctness gone mad! James Bond has always and should always be white. He’s a fictional character! Nothing racist about it at all.

All that would be is pandering to the idiots that find any excuse to complain and moan about anything, the ethnicity of a fictional character who has been white for half a century is just one of the latest.

The captain marvel movie is another movie that struck me as a blind flap to cobble together a superhero movie about a woman because there is an imbalance between male and female superheros

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By *dores blackmenWoman
over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)

"Does it really mater when he’s almost changed faces as often as dr who

Exactly and wasn't Dr Who always male,they soon changed that recently

Personnally I'm looking forward to Idris Elba playing James Bond,he does look sexy in a suit

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

But the colour of Bond isn’t integral to the storyline. "

It is to the op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies.

I can't think of any, maybe idris can play 008"

I'd imagine most of our field agent spies aren't white these days, given the nature of our enemies at the moment.

That.. or they're all too busy spying on everyones internet data to give much of a fuck.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

Zulu was a true story based on real events and the zulu warriors in the film were actually real zulu people...007 is fictional so who cares what his ethnicity is...

some say James Bond was based on a real character

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad! James Bond has always and should always be white. He’s a fictional character! Nothing racist about it at all.

The captain marvel movie is another movie that struck me as a blind flap to cobble together a superhero movie about a woman because there is an imbalance between male and female superheros "

Black man gets job previously held by white men for years.

Nope. I don’t see that as political correctness gone mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

But the colour of Bond isn’t integral to the storyline.

It is to the op."

Then don’t be surprised if people think he’s racist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sadly he won’t as he’d ruled himself out claiming he’d be too old. He was quoted as saying “Luther” was his Bond. He was amazing in that.

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I can't understand why on earth Idria Elba is regarding as a good actor. So do I think it's idris elba should be bond hell no!

Can bond be black sure but I much rather prefer Asian. Does bond have to be white of cos not. Neither is Fleming alive or Albert broccoli come to think of it and neither will it matter if Caractacus Potts was Asian either.

The same uproar was made about a female doctor who and she did a terrific job with the poor material handed to her.

I was a huge bond fan until Daniel Craig took over and the franchise went down a more boring stale PC version. Bring back the old style and make the bond of any colour is my say.

If it works it works but movies always change to encourage society to change and so a black bond (or an Asian Pakistani) will happen soon enough.

"For England James? No, For myself"... Goldeneye

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

But the colour of Bond isn’t integral to the storyline.

It is to the op.

Then don’t be surprised if people think he’s racist. "

Which I’m not. Im also not a a he.

I’ll use the example from my original post. Flip it round and there would presumably be an outcry. Dolph lungren as BA Baraccas?

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By *aughtyboytmMan
over a year ago

Burgess Hill

"Bond was written in the fifties. Should we also insist that he only drives the old Asten Martin, fires weapons of the time and communicates using radios and doesn’t use the internet.

It’s 2019 and black people can be spies. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve not seen a shit film with Idris Elba in yet, he’s a great actor, but as for bond, the last 3 or 4 movies have been garbage, Im of the pierce brosnan bond generation but personally they are never going to top Roger Moore or Sean Connery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Present day Bond films have deviated and evolved massively from the original style. No longer set in a Cold War era, set in the modern day, no longer from an Ian Fleming pinned story, less misogyny etc....at that rate of evolution having the lead role depicted other than a seemingly public school educated, white, C of E traditional male British establishment figure seems a very plausible next step in the sequence.

Personally I do prefer when film makers stay true to the original descriptions and background of an author's origional concept, but that's impossible now for Bond for the reasons listed above. The only real consistency now is that the character still works for British Intelligence and the hench-people are still useless shots.

If the OP's opinion on simply curtailing artistic licence and suggesting a physical appearance and background true to the original was deemed racist, then I think there's a very poor understanding by some of what something as ignorant and ugly as rasism really is.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

My thoughts , you're wrong

And I'm a huge bond fan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he was. I didn’t agree with it, but at the time the head of the secret service was a woman. So they thought it would make it more current

Exactly. They changed the films to reflect the real world, and make them more current, not stuck religiously to the books. But you're suggesting they couldn't do that for Bond...?

Yes I am. It’s an opinion that the main character should remain as unchanged as possible. It’s only an opinion and I welcome others. Being branded a racist because of it was the salt in the wound

Yeah, for the record I don't think you're racist any more than anyone saying that it would be no good having chinese people playing the Zulu characters in Zulu.

But the colour of Bond isn’t integral to the storyline.

It is to the op.

Then don’t be surprised if people think he’s racist.

Which I’m not. Im also not a a he.

I’ll use the example from my original post. Flip it round and there would presumably be an outcry. Dolph lungren as BA Baraccas? "

No different really.

If the only part of the Bond films you wish to remain true to the original is the skin colour of the lead actor, then that certainly casts you in particular light.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Present day Bond films have deviated and evolved massively from the original style. No longer set in a Cold War era, set in the modern day, no longer from an Ian Fleming pinned story, less misogyny etc....at that rate of evolution having the lead role depicted other than a seemingly public school educated, white, C of E traditional male British establishment figure seems a very plausible next step in the sequence.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Your all missing the point,it's not about idris fucking Elba or Jackie can playing James bond, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck who plays him, the FACTS are, James bond is Caucasian as written by the author Ian flemming "

And M was a man. ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As it's fiction I think we can play around with the characters as we want.

As for It's us Elba being Bond, I don't think he's as good an actor as people say he is.

If we're having a black Bond I would have preferred Denzel Washington, but he may be too old now.

Idris isbt suave enough for me and quite wooden in his acting.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"I don't think the colour of a persons skin should be in any way significant. How tanned should James Bond be, is there a shade of brown beyond which it becomes unacceptable? "

I agree with this and I think he fits the bill as a bond so good luck to him if he gets it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands."

I agree and I read it the same as you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it's fiction I think we can play around with the characters as we want.

As for It's us Elba being Bond, I don't think he's as good an actor as people say he is.

If we're having a black Bond I would have preferred Denzel Washington, but he may be too old now.

Idris isbt suave enough for me and quite wooden in his acting."

As good as denzel is I don’t think he could pull of a British intelligence agent

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Hamlet has been played by a woman. Bond can be played by a black guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you. "

Not to interested how you read it, i written it and know what I meant, where do I say people disagreeing with an opinion makes them a snowflake? I’m clearly implying people who are already snowsflakes get triggered by such arguments. Pretty easy to follow, not much interpretation needed

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

James Bond can stay white if he is an icon, but ( April fool's) should he be cast as a black male what's the problem as a hell of a lot of blackmai! goes on in bond anyway. Add on every time he went to see M he ended up fucking first and working later,sounds like a reasonable Bond to me.

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By *etite HandfulWoman
over a year ago

Chester

I really don't think the Bond franchise care if the next bond is black, white, a man or a woman as long as who ever plays him raises the maximum amount for the franchise.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I really don't think the Bond franchise care if the next bond is black, white, a man or a woman as long as who ever plays him raises the maximum amount for the franchise. "

I think that about sums their attitude up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?"

Ermm.. someone who calls someone else a racist for preferring white males to play James Bond rather than a black male.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?

Ermm.. someone who calls someone else a racist for preferring white males to play James Bond rather than a black male."

Ok, got it. Thanks.

So someone who has a different opinion and expresses it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you feel about black actors taking the lead roles in Shakespeare plays? (Excluding Othello)"
Very good point, seeing as black and white caucasian european actors played the part of Othello whose character was supposed to be a Moor.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

You realise James bond is a code name. That's why they can use different actors because it's a different person completely. So having a black James bond wouldn't make a stitch of a difference as James bond isn't one particular person. Personally I dont think Idris Elba would make a good bond, not because of the colour of his skin but because hes good at playing the hard man but I'd like bond to return to the Brosnan bond, suave, sophisticated and actually has gadgets. Daniel Craig is the worst bond, his films are just a different version of Jason Bourne.

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why can’t bond be a black gay woman ? She can still drink martini !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it's fiction I think we can play around with the characters as we want.

As for It's us Elba being Bond, I don't think he's as good an actor as people say he is.

If we're having a black Bond I would have preferred Denzel Washington, but he may be too old now.

Idris isbt suave enough for me and quite wooden in his acting.

As good as denzel is I don’t think he could pull of a British intelligence agent "

He pulled off Don Pedro in Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing.

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Well I don't give a fairy fuck about colour. I think we should have a female Bond!

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By *J StathamMan
over a year ago

Manchester

That's far from racist.

I don't think it would be too much of an issue for me if they did change his identity like that but I personally don't think they should either

(Idris would smash the role out of the park though)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not racist what I’m about to say but I love doctor who and I can’t get to grips with it being a women, maybe it was the bad writing and nothing about her being a woman but to me it just didn’t feel like doctor who at all.

I know that James Bond should be any colour but if the writer had an image in his head of what bond should look like shouldn’t they fulfil his wishes? I think idris would make a great bond though he has everything you need to make a brilliant bond but if Ian Fleming saw his character being a certain skin colour then it should remain as he saw his vision surely?

Danish x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it's fiction I think we can play around with the characters as we want.

As for It's us Elba being Bond, I don't think he's as good an actor as people say he is.

If we're having a black Bond I would have preferred Denzel Washington, but he may be too old now.

Idris isbt suave enough for me and quite wooden in his acting.

As good as denzel is I don’t think he could pull of a British intelligence agent

He pulled off Don Pedro in Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing. "

Ok cool, never seen that so wouldn’t know, just never seen him play an English role, I prefer him as his usually take no shit, vigilante type roles. Man on fire, even tho is old is one of my favourite denzel films

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?

Ermm.. someone who calls someone else a racist for preferring white males to play James Bond rather than a black male.

Ok, got it. Thanks.

So someone who has a different opinion and expresses it?"

No.. someone who calls people racist for having different opinions and expressing it. I don’t get why your struggling so hard with is this

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

Aiden Turner for Bond!

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

"Well I don't give a fairy fuck about colour. I think we should have a female Bond!"

Never !!!!! What next a female priminister

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With all due respect, he’s been a Scot, an Aussie, an Irishman so why not a black English fella? Altho not 100% sure but I would imagine there are some black people or more aptly black spies who work for MI6 or the government or wotnot, so perhaps ur views of being a strictly white fella cud be deemed a little offensive...

That being said i don’t care too much as long as he always manages to catch Bloefelt...

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?

Ermm.. someone who calls someone else a racist for preferring white males to play James Bond rather than a black male.

Ok, got it. Thanks.

So someone who has a different opinion and expresses it?

No.. someone who calls people racist for having different opinions and expressing it. I don’t get why your struggling so hard with is this "

. Ok. I'll leave it there.

Have a good day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should 007 just be white?....just because he,s white in the book?....I used to love 007 back in the day because of the actor playing the role....some charm and character Sean Connery for example...cannot for the life of me see the problem in casting a good actor for the role who cares if he,s pink with poker dots as long as he acts his toosh off...."
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Why should wakanda be black for that matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This may sound weird but wouldnt bond pretty much have to be white because of the job he does.

A lot of it involves sneaking into the rich and famous parties etc where a middle aged white guy in a suit is invisible a black guy though might be only one of a handful at best in the room.

Pur of curiosity has there been a black bond villan?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You realise James bond is a code name. That's why they can use different actors because it's a different person completely. So having a black James bond wouldn't make a stitch of a difference as James bond isn't one particular person. Personally I dont think Idris Elba would make a good bond, not because of the colour of his skin but because hes good at playing the hard man but I'd like bond to return to the Brosnan bond, suave, sophisticated and actually has gadgets. Daniel Craig is the worst bond, his films are just a different version of Jason Bourne.

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill"

Bond isn’t a code name.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

I think it’s fine.. I think there should be more drive by shootings in Bond movies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill

Bond isn’t a code name. "

It is in the movie universe M has even made comments to James bond regarding "the previous bond"

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

"It’s not racist what I’m about to say but I love doctor who and I can’t get to grips with it being a women, maybe it was the bad writing and nothing about her being a woman but to me it just didn’t feel like doctor who at all.

Danish x"

I agree ,,,or are we to constantly pander to the sensitivity of the politically correct brigade ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill

Bond isn’t a code name.

It is in the movie universe M has even made comments to James bond regarding "the previous bond" "

Where ?

The last person to hold the 007 monicker perhaps but not Bond

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/11/11/how-skyfall-clears-up-bonds-biggest-continuity-question/amp

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

"This may sound weird but wouldnt bond pretty much have to be white because of the job he does.

A lot of it involves sneaking into the rich and famous parties etc where a middle aged white guy in a suit is invisible a black guy though might be only one of a handful at best in the room.

Pur of curiosity has there been a black bond villan?"

That’s a good point !!! So ,,,,let’s make all the extras black ,,,,,,,, problem solved

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

"This may sound weird but wouldnt bond pretty much have to be white because of the job he does.

A lot of it involves sneaking into the rich and famous parties etc where a middle aged white guy in a suit is invisible a black guy though might be only one of a handful at best in the room.

Pur of curiosity has there been a black bond villan?"

Yes indeed; Yaphet Kotto played the main villain, Kananga in Live And Let Die.

It also featured the highly memorable Baron Samedi (who scared the hell out of me as a kid!)

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!"

Nope just another fictional character like Bond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

Nope just another fictional character like Bond

I think most historians agree that Jesus existed. Who or what he was is debated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

People disagreeing with an opinion aren't sensitive snowflakes.

That isn’t what I said, you should read more carefully “it’s merely a preference and an opinion SOME over sensative snowflakes MIGHT get triggered by”

My comment still stands.

I agree and I read it the same as you.

Ok. Out of interest, what makes someone a snowflake in your opinion?

Ermm.. someone who calls someone else a racist for preferring white males to play James Bond rather than a black male.

Ok, got it. Thanks.

So someone who has a different opinion and expresses it?

No.. someone who calls people racist for having different opinions and expressing it. I don’t get why your struggling so hard with is this

. Ok. I'll leave it there.

Have a good day."
and you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd assume in universe each 00 position is assigned to a particular role with specific attributes.

Ie some women, some black, some "low class", some much more combat focused solider types Etc

Bond happens to be the upperclass high society one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer Bourne movies anyway......runs for cover

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

Nope just another fictional character like Bond

I think most historians agree that Jesus existed. Who or what he was is debated. "

Who he was lol yep thats about right same with the name and the rest. No they are both fictional characters in books based loosely on people who existed.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!"

I think you mean Judea, there was no ‘Israel’ until the 1940s ish.. and what colour are the Jewish community that you’ve seen, lol... I’m not debating his colour, just correcting your mistakes

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill

Bond isn’t a code name.

It is in the movie universe M has even made comments to James bond regarding "the previous bond"

Where ?

The last person to hold the 007 monicker perhaps but not Bond

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/11/11/how-skyfall-clears-up-bonds-biggest-continuity-question/amp"

I can't remember in what film but theres even a line when someone is referring to bond and say something along the lines of 'that never happened to the last one'

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

He's been English (scouse and home counties), Scottish, Australian... I really don't think the producers have given a rat's ass about his heritage in the past, so as far as I'm converned, he can be whatever colour they decide.

Of course it's not racist to express an opinion, but if it bothers you enough to come and have a rant on a swinging forum... Well, I'll draw my own conclusions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Best person to play bond right now - Henry Cavill

Bond isn’t a code name.

It is in the movie universe M has even made comments to James bond regarding "the previous bond"

Where ?

The last person to hold the 007 monicker perhaps but not Bond

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/11/11/how-skyfall-clears-up-bonds-biggest-continuity-question/amp

I can't remember in what film but theres even a line when someone is referring to bond and say something along the lines of 'that never happened to the last one'"

Lazeny. Majesties secret service. Fourth wall joke ..he looks into the camera ....

https://youtu.be/2VnQtXihSR4

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By *litstimulousMan
over a year ago

Swindon

I see Idras Elba as the slightly aloof Dci John Luther and although he'd make a great Bond it would spoil it for me.

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I see Idras Elba as the slightly aloof Dci John Luther and although he'd make a great Bond it would spoil it for me.

Job swap! Let Craig play Luther !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's been English (scouse and home counties), Scottish, Australian... I really don't think the producers have given a rat's ass about his heritage in the past, so as far as I'm converned, he can be whatever colour they decide.

Of course it's not racist to express an opinion, but if it bothers you enough to come and have a rant on a swinging forum... Well, I'll draw my own conclusions."

It’s called the lounge for a reason ..people can post what they like .....and as for ranting? I asked for opinions on being called a racist for expressing said opinion. If racism were a ladder, I’d expect a discussion on Bonds ethnicity to be a relatively low rung

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?"

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting."

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books. "

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

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By *litteasingManMan
over a year ago

Thereabouts

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Your first paragraph ended with a disclaimer that you are not a racist. My question to you is: who is a racist (in your own words and understanding if you may please)?

I don't understand why people need to first state they aren't racists before they make a comment. Some issues can discussed based on their individual (and probably race-indepenedent) merits. Unless we are saying their has to be a colour tinge to everything.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Your first paragraph ended with a disclaimer that you are not a racist. My question to you is: who is a racist (in your own words and understanding if you may please)?

Read again, there is no disclaimer.. Its just stating that they were branded one..

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

It is VERY easy to follow you said! "you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black" HE DIDN'T say that its you who isn't following but you quote what he said go on quote it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same uproar when Daniel Craig got the role - shock horror - he was blonde

Same for tom cruise not tall enough to be Jack Reacher

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By *litteasingManMan
over a year ago

Thereabouts

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Your first paragraph ended with a disclaimer that you are not a racist. My question to you is: who is a racist (in your own words and understanding if you may please)?

Read again, there is no disclaimer.. Its just stating that they were branded one.. "

Yeah, right! I get it now.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

It is VERY easy to follow you said! "you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black" HE DIDN'T say that its you who isn't following but you quote what he said go on quote it!

He said ‘Jesus definitely can’t be white’.. so if you continue that way of thinking..

If you can’t understand that I can’t walk you through it much more..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Your first paragraph ended with a disclaimer that you are not a racist. My question to you is: who is a racist (in your own words and understanding if you may please)?

Read again, there is no disclaimer.. Its just stating that they were branded one.. "

Beaten to it. At no point did I say I was. I thought the cross over movie was a Damned fine idea to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a person who doesn't have a tv (love the cinema) but is an avid reader I'm fed up of films changing books beyond all recognition... It's just disappointing

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

Your first paragraph ended with a disclaimer that you are not a racist. My question to you is: who is a racist (in your own words and understanding if you may please)?

Read again, there is no disclaimer.. Its just stating that they were branded one..

Yeah, right! I get it now."

Interesting username giving that last line on your previous post..

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Annie was rebooted as a black person. Her white skin and red hair was actually integeral to the story. They were to show she was Irish/migrant/orphan.

I actually dont care that it happened, but there is a lot of hypocrisy around it. White people playing in asian remakes can get heat etc, even if the race is not an integral part.

Either way, black people will be cast in more and more roles, because it makes hollywood money. Black people wont go to see Iron man/Thor but will go to see Black Panther, white people will go see both. So that means its easy maths.

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

It is VERY easy to follow you said! "you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black" HE DIDN'T say that its you who isn't following but you quote what he said go on quote it!

He said ‘Jesus definitely can’t be white’.. so if you continue that way of thinking..

If you can’t understand that I can’t walk you through it much more.. "

You really need to read who said what making it up makes you look a numpty.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

It is VERY easy to follow you said! "you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black" HE DIDN'T say that its you who isn't following but you quote what he said go on quote it!

He said ‘Jesus definitely can’t be white’.. so if you continue that way of thinking..

If you can’t understand that I can’t walk you through it much more..

You really need to read who said what making it up makes you look a numpty.

All you had to say was, that you still didn’t understand.. but that’s ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting."

Err just to point out only Jesus's mother was jewish.

So ethnically he could be damn near anything

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"Off the back of an April fools email I got about Idris Elba confirmed as the next Bond, I was branded a racist.

I somewhat agree with this but also understand the people On the other side I mean would it be so bad if James Bond was black I mean really? I mean they’ve been doing this in Hollywood for years to the Chinese type films with white leading characters which which totally does not make sense to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He’s gone from old to young, Scottish to English, what difference does it make if they cast a black man as James Bond?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He’s gone from old to young, Scottish to English, what difference does it make if they cast a black man as James Bond? "

If it doesnt make a differnce why are people calling for them to make the change based purely on skin colour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ian Fleming said that James Bond should look like a cross between himself and Hoagy Carmichael - when you look at the two faces, I think the closest resemblance was George Lazenby. However, none of the recent movies were from books written by Fleming, so I think what he looks like is a moot point now. The character could well now be portrayed by a black or Asian disabled single parent hermaphrodite. The wheel chair could have all the gadgets and double up as a nappy-changing bench.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ian Fleming said that James Bond should look like a cross between himself and Hoagy Carmichael - when you look at the two faces, I think the closest resemblance was George Lazenby. However, none of the recent movies were from books written by Fleming, so I think what he looks like is a moot point now. The character could well now be portrayed by a black or Asian disabled single parent hermaphrodite. The wheel chair could have all the gadgets and double up as a nappy-changing bench. "

I'd pay to see that film

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Dr Who morphs into new identity and it doesn't matter if he is white, black brown, male or female. It really does not matter.

James Bond can be white, black or brown.

Not sure about the milky bar kid though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely brilliant!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hes been my choice for the next Bond for ages. But not because hes black , because he has the perfect persona and charisma for the role , that's it

Tom Hardy please, and for extra points Tom Huddleston as the baddie "

Tom Hardy gets my vote too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is ok to say it, but today noone is allowed to have a different opinion cos of political correctness.

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By *bwplaydateMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and travel/hotel

The solution is to donate your eyes to people who can appreciate the full spectrum of colours if the skin tone of an actor upsets you so much.

Talk about tiny 1st world problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dr Who morphs into new identity and it doesn't matter if he is white, black brown, male or female. It really does not matter.

James Bond can be white, black or brown.

Not sure about the milky bar kid though...

That did kind of matter.

They said they did ut because it would be more relatable for gi4ls to try and get them into the series.

But that means it must be less relatable for boys who are the existing fans

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks for the input. I didn’t say it up set me so

Much. I said I had an opinion

And I was branded a racist for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is ok to say it, but today noone is allowed to have a different opinion cos of political correctness."
I also agree that bond should be the same as it have always been.

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By *bwplaydateMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and travel/hotel

"It is ok to say it, but today noone is allowed to have a different opinion cos of political correctness.I also agree that bond should be the same as it have always been."

Yes - imaginary and therefore whatever the writer wants.

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By *orthyorkypairCouple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"It would not bother me, in fact I'd like to see Anthony Joshua as bond

He is the ultimate male ever born. Makes white men look pathetic "

how about this for a racist comment!!!!!!!! had this been said about an ethnic person there would have been uproar!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems like too many judgemental people on here can’t lie

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By *orthyorkypairCouple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

and for my six pennyworth i could not give a damn what colour bond is they have gone so far from flemings writings not it hardly matters

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is ok to say it, but today noone is allowed to have a different opinion cos of political correctness.I also agree that bond should be the same as it have always been.

Yes - imaginary and therefore whatever the writer wants. "

And as the writer was Ian Fleming ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

James Bond should be white as the traditional character has always been, you wouldn’t see a yellow panther playing the pink panther because it’s the not the same as the role.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The next, James. Bond. will be (trans-neutral To keep upwith the (PC) nowadays? lol.

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over a year ago

"James Bond should be white as the traditional character has always been, you wouldn’t see a yellow panther playing the pink panther because it’s the not the same as the role. "

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"James Bond should be white as the traditional character has always been, you wouldn’t see a yellow panther playing the pink panther because it’s the not the same as the role. "

Possibly the dumbest comment I've read on this forum today. Well done!

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

"A bit like Jesus being brown.

strange thing to say. Jesus was never white in the 1st place, rather from middle east. He was Jew from Israel for goodness sake!!!

definitely not white though. fictional character or not.

Bond is a fictional character too or do we not know that?

So with that, fictional or not.. Jesus definitely can’t be white, so I’m guessing with that same train of thought, you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black.. interesting.

Wow where did he say bond can't be black? All I see is they were both pretty much fictional people from books.

Where did you get lost? They said one person definitely can’t be so that train of thought just continues into the other.. it’s pretty easy to follow..

It is VERY easy to follow you said! "you’re saying Bond definitely can’t be black" HE DIDN'T say that its you who isn't following but you quote what he said go on quote it!

He said ‘Jesus definitely can’t be white’.. so if you continue that way of thinking..

If you can’t understand that I can’t walk you through it much more..

You really need to read who said what making it up makes you look a numpty.

All you had to say was, that you still didn’t understand.. but that’s ok. "

Oh I understand all right you can't quote something that wasn't said by anyone but you that's what I understand but its fun watching you make a fool of yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"James Bond should be white as the traditional character has always been, you wouldn’t see a yellow panther playing the pink panther because it’s the not the same as the role.

Possibly the dumbest comment I've read on this forum today. Well done!

Not this?

"It would not bother me, in fact I'd like to see Anthony Joshua as bond

He is the ultimate male ever born. Makes white men look pathetic "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pink panther was a (diamond).

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On the plus side, at least I hung about to get peoples views . Not like some on here that post and bugger off. As we approach 175 I’d like to thank everyone for contributing

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By *orthyorkypairCouple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"James Bond should be white as the traditional character has always been, you wouldn’t see a yellow panther playing the pink panther because it’s the not the same as the role.

Possibly the dumbest comment I've read on this forum today. Well done!

Not this?

It would not bother me, in fact I'd like to see Anthony Joshua as bond

He is the ultimate male ever born. Makes white men look pathetic "

yours gets my vote lol and for info this is the female typing NOT the male

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Id rather see Jet Li in the role. That guy kicks ass!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

He used to ...been suffering with something lately ..pics on the web show him looking quite ill

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