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"Just continuing the previous thread... Too many requotes of my wall of text "It can be frustrating if it gets to the end of a thread and there’s no space to reply , so thought I’d make room. | |||
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""statement of ownership" Not sure why you felt the need to make this comment? My wife would love more tats, but she knows I find them unattractive, and would not want to knowingly make herself less attractive to me (nor I her) so she will not have any more. I could not stop her if she wanted to, yes she is of course autonomous. I do not ask her to remove them, she likes them. However I think if she knew then what she knows now, she may not have had them done. This had nothing to do with perceptions of ownership, and everything to do with mutual respect in a relationship. " I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. | |||
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""statement of ownership" Not sure why you felt the need to make this comment? My wife would love more tats, but she knows I find them unattractive, and would not want to knowingly make herself less attractive to me (nor I her) so she will not have any more. I could not stop her if she wanted to, yes she is of course autonomous. I do not ask her to remove them, she likes them. However I think if she knew then what she knows now, she may not have had them done. This had nothing to do with perceptions of ownership, and everything to do with mutual respect in a relationship. I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. " I agree about you disagreeing ...  | |||
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""It’s their body not yours, no one else’s ...this has got to be a wind up ...maybe an April fools joke ?" Are you saying parents should not give advice to their kids if it relates to their bodies??? So no healthy eating advice, let them get fat it's their choice. So no drugs advice, let them become addicts it's their choice. So no road safety advice, let them crash cars it's their choice. So no birth control advice, let them get pregnant at 16 it's their choice. So no safe sex advice, let them catch diseases it's their choice. Need I go on? So what role do you see parents having in kids lives, if not to offer ADVICE based upon your experiences?" I think equating getting or not getting a tattoo with common sense life skills we should all be passing on to our children is a little disingenuous and seems like your trying to deflect the issue being discussed. Plus we were talking about another adult not a child. | |||
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"I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. I agree about you disagreeing ... "I said nothing about exerting control over either my wife or my children. I said nothing to condemn my wife's decisions, or shame her for them. I merely stated that her decision to get (bad) tattoos causes me some disappointment and sadness, and that I would advise my kids that having tattoos might put some potential partners off, limiting the pool of available matches. | |||
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""It’s their body not yours, no one else’s ...this has got to be a wind up ...maybe an April fools joke ?" Plus we were talking about another adult not a child. " No, it was me talking about advising my kids that was being objected to. | |||
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" Kids, you’re here once. Do what makes you happy. Travel, experience different cultures, be positive, be kind, love like you want to be loved. Live your life for you. " Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful. | |||
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"I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. I agree about you disagreeing ...
I said nothing about exerting control over either my wife or my children.
I said nothing to condemn my wife's decisions, or shame her for them.
I merely stated that her decision to get (bad) tattoos causes me some disappointment and sadness, and that I would advise my kids that having tattoos might put some potential partners off, limiting the pool of available matches."Im not going to requote the whole text, I saw a lot of negative language when describing your wife’s tattoos and how you react ( cringe I believe was used) if you re read it you may too. My comments were never in reference to your children. You ultimately dislike tattoos, no problem, it’s how you project your feelings about them onto another human that bothered me. Maybe I’m misreading. | |||
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"I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. I agree about you disagreeing ...
I said nothing about exerting control over either my wife or my children.
I said nothing to condemn my wife's decisions, or shame her for them.
I merely stated that her decision to get (bad) tattoos causes me some disappointment and sadness, and that I would advise my kids that having tattoos might put some potential partners off, limiting the pool of available matches.
Im not going to requote the whole text, I saw a lot of negative language when describing your wife’s tattoos and how you react ( cringe I believe was used) if you re read it you may too.
My comments were never in reference to your children.
You ultimately dislike tattoos, no problem, it’s how you project your feelings about them onto another human that bothered me.
Maybe I’m misreading.
"I described my emotional reaction honestly. You are condemning me for experiencing negative emotions? | |||
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"Listen kids, your mum has tattoos and I don’t like them . So don’t get a tattoo Until you’re settled down. Alternatively. Kids, you’re here once. Do what makes you happy. Travel, experience different cultures, be positive, be kind, love like you want to be loved. Live your life for you. " How does omitting the top part make it out of context to the point I'm making? | |||
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"I mentioned ownership because I’m afraid it came across to me as that’s how you see a marriage/partnership. Decisions about a persons own body shouldn’t be made until they’ve met their life partner and has their approval ? I disagree. I agree about you disagreeing ...
I said nothing about exerting control over either my wife or my children.
I said nothing to condemn my wife's decisions, or shame her for them.
I merely stated that her decision to get (bad) tattoos causes me some disappointment and sadness, and that I would advise my kids that having tattoos might put some potential partners off, limiting the pool of available matches.
Im not going to requote the whole text, I saw a lot of negative language when describing your wife’s tattoos and how you react ( cringe I believe was used) if you re read it you may too.
My comments were never in reference to your children.
You ultimately dislike tattoos, no problem, it’s how you project your feelings about them onto another human that bothered me.
Maybe I’m misreading.
I described my emotional reaction honestly.
You are condemning me for experiencing negative emotions? "Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. " "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart " I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. " Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. " Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful. | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. " Yes | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. " My mum never liked tattoos or piercings. She had her ears done as a child, when it was the 'done thing' to get your kids ears pierced while young. She says it was her first really memory of pain. She always said she can't understand why someone would inflict pain upon themselves so always thought people with tattoos & piercings odd! My mum loves my tattoos. She knows the reason behind mine, why I had them done, the story they tell. She still says it makes her shudder thinking of needles being jammed into skin, but she can now see the art, the beauty in the work involved. My eldest son wanted a tattoo, we talked at great length about it for several years, pick something meaningful, make sure you really really want it. We celebrated his 18th, my 40th by getting tattoed together. He later, part designed my Phoenix, and him & his dad have 2 matching tattoos his dad designed. I was raised to think independently, to make my own choices about my life & my body. I've raised my kids the same | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful." Sure. But you can say that without hating on tattoos, and that shouldn't be in the advice on how to attract someone. | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes" Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? " What's the purpose of expressing that sadness in this context? What does it add? Who does it help? You're allowed your feelings, but sometimes they're not constructive. | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful. Sure. But you can say that without hating on tattoos, and that shouldn't be in the advice on how to attract someone. " But some people aren't attracted to tattoos, am I not permitted to advise my daughter of that fact? | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful. Sure. But you can say that without hating on tattoos, and that shouldn't be in the advice on how to attract someone. But some people aren't attracted to tattoos, am I not permitted to advise my daughter of that fact? " Different people like different things is not the same as "don't get tattoos because they're ugly, I don't like them" or anything along those lines. Everyone knows they're permanent. If tattoos are her thing, who are you or a potential partner to tell her she shouldn't have them? | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? What's the purpose of expressing that sadness in this context? What does it add? Who does it help? You're allowed your feelings, but sometimes they're not constructive. " This context is a discussion on female tattoos... Seeems the ideal place to me... Am I missing something??? 
What does it add? Well if nothing else it shows not everyone is attracted to tats, seems a valid contribution to make, no?
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? What's the purpose of expressing that sadness in this context? What does it add? Who does it help? You're allowed your feelings, but sometimes they're not constructive. This context is a discussion on female tattoos... Seeems the ideal place to me... Am I missing something???
What does it add? Well if nothing else it shows not everyone is attracted to tats, seems a valid contribution to make, no?
My feelings are not constructive? Sorry, constructive to what? I didn't realise this thread was designed to support the decision of women to have tats. "You can say you don't like tattoos without expressing opinions about an unchangeable part of your wife's body. If someone I was intimate with regretted my eye colour or scars, it would achieve nothing except hurt me. It does come across as you wanting to control her body, despite what you're saying. You'll note that I don't like tattoos myself. | |||
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"The abbreviated version makes it look like we have similar views. We really don’t. Likening advice on drugs use, healthy eating and teenage pregnancy to “not getting a tattoo till you’ve settled down and talked it over with a life partner” because they might not like tattoos ? Tough. This is me ...this how I come. Don’t like me for my ink? Not a problem. Close the door on your way out. You don’t like ink. I get that. You love your wife “despite” her ink. Noble of you. We may agree on other issues, but as far as tattoos are concerned, I’m afraid we couldn’t be further apart I would put the tat advice with all the other advice under "what do boys like daddy?" chapter in my "Dad's Handbook for Daughters", lol. Boys are individuals and you should find a boy who loves you for who you are, darling. You can be anyone you want to be and don't let anyone stop you. Dream big, live life to the full, love yourself. Yup all good stuff... But I'd add: All actions have consequences, act in haste repent at your leisure, and the past has a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the ass. Be mindful. Sure. But you can say that without hating on tattoos, and that shouldn't be in the advice on how to attract someone. But some people aren't attracted to tattoos, am I not permitted to advise my daughter of that fact? Different people like different things is not the same as "don't get tattoos because they're ugly, I don't like them" or anything along those lines. Everyone knows they're permanent. If tattoos are her thing, who are you or a potential partner to tell her she shouldn't have them? " Please quote where I said "don't get tattoos because they're ugly, I don't like them" or where I said I would TELL my daughter not to get one. | |||
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"It was the implication of "what do boys like, daddy". " Ohh I see, you misinterpreted plain English. 2+2=5 | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? " Again your using the word condemn, does me disagreeing with you feel like that ? Also you seem set on putting words in my mouth,I’ve not called you anything of the sort. To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking, and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. In my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. I doubt we will change each other’s minds x | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? Again your using the word condemn, does me disagreeing with you feel like that ? Also you seem set on putting words in my mouth,I’ve not called you anything of the sort. To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking, and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. In my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. I doubt we will change each other’s minds x " But what do you find disagreeable? The fact I have negative emotional response. It's not an opinion, that I can change, it's a feeling, and you don't like that my brain responds like that, and yes, you made a horrible comment making me out to be a controlling monster, just because of how my brain reacts. Even when I've made it clear I exert no CONTROL over my wife's tats, or my daughters. As far as preparing my kids for adulthood, I'll give them every bit of advice that I can possibly come up with that will make them happy healthy and yes well rounded individuals who hopefully will be attractive to add many of the opposite sex as possible. So shoot me. | |||
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"To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking" Ohh come on, so you are free to do whatever you like with your body, partner has no say? Dangerous sports, risky sexual behaviour, extreme cosmetic surgery, drug alcohol use? You just do whatever the hell you please? Fine, we don't roll like that, we consider each others opinions and feelings. " and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. " Ehh? I'd be advising my teenage kids, who would presumably be looking for love "now", not in 20 years! And yes they should work to create value in themselves, to be useful to society and attractive the opposite sex. If they ignore this, will they find a good and attractive partner they desire? " in my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. " Except in the digital dating world, if one ticks "tats or piercings" and the other didn't, they'd never even get to meet, let alone embrace and accept each other as they are. | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? Again your using the word condemn, does me disagreeing with you feel like that ? Also you seem set on putting words in my mouth,I’ve not called you anything of the sort. To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking, and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. In my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. I doubt we will change each other’s minds x But what do you find disagreeable? The fact I have negative emotional response. It's not an opinion, that I can change, it's a feeling, and you don't like that my brain responds like that, and yes, you made a horrible comment making me out to be a controlling monster, just because of how my brain reacts. Even when I've made it clear I exert no CONTROL over my wife's tats, or my daughters. As far as preparing my kids for adulthood, I'll give them every bit of advice that I can possibly come up with that will make them happy healthy and yes well rounded individuals who hopefully will be attractive to add many of the opposite sex as possible. So shoot me. " 5.5 or 7.62 ? You could go old school with .303 .. | |||
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"To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking Ohh come on, so you are free to do whatever you like with your body, partner has no say? Dangerous sports, risky sexual behaviour, extreme cosmetic surgery, drug alcohol use? You just do whatever the hell you please? Fine, we don't roll like that, we consider each others opinions and feelings. and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. Ehh? I'd be advising my teenage kids, who would presumably be looking for love "now", not in 20 years! And yes they should work to create value in themselves, to be useful to society and attractive the opposite sex. If they ignore this, will they find a good and attractive partner they desire? in my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. Except in the digital dating world, if one ticks "tats or piercings" and the other didn't, they'd never even get to meet, let alone embrace and accept each other as they are. " What a pile of tosh! I have two degrees, was a nurse- a tattooed and pierced nurse, so useful to society. My body adornments alter my body, not my intelligence! I value myself regardless of ink. I valued myself before I had them, and afterwards too. My partner is a good man, he is intelligent and hard working, he has tattoos. They don’t alter who he is, as mine don’t alter me. How do you know they’d never meet? What a silly suggestion. You met your wife, you say when she’s clothed you can’t see her tattoos, so what about her attracted you in the first place? If she said I have tattoos, and showed them off the first time you met her, are you really trying to say that you wouldn’t see past them to the woman you love? Have you considered her feelings? When she reads this and see that you cringe when you look at parts of her? That’s really quite sad tbh x | |||
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"Condemning? I wouldn’t say having a different viewpoint is condemning. "All I’m seeing here is a statement of ownership and regret that the model you obtained had unfortunate marks on the chassis that you can only just bear to overlook. She was an autonomous human being before she met you." I simply expressed negative emotional reaction to wife's tats, which you interpreted as a statement of ownership and lack of respect for her autonomy. Yes Thereby condemning me for daring to have a negative emotional reaction? Am I not permitted to feel sadness? Does that make me some kind of controlling monster? Again your using the word condemn, does me disagreeing with you feel like that ? Also you seem set on putting words in my mouth,I’ve not called you anything of the sort. To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking, and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. In my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. I doubt we will change each other’s minds x But what do you find disagreeable? The fact I have negative emotional response. It's not an opinion, that I can change, it's a feeling, and you don't like that my brain responds like that, and yes, you made a horrible comment making me out to be a controlling monster, just because of how my brain reacts. Even when I've made it clear I exert no CONTROL over my wife's tats, or my daughters. As far as preparing my kids for adulthood, I'll give them every bit of advice that I can possibly come up with that will make them happy healthy and yes well rounded individuals who hopefully will be attractive to add many of the opposite sex as possible. So shoot me. 5.5 or 7.62 ? You could go old school with .303 .." Lol, I'd like a final Woodbine, no blindfold and a platoon of Boer War Welsh Guards with Martini Henrys, I love the smell of Black powder in the morning, particularly at dawn | |||
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" How do you know they’d never meet? What a silly suggestion." You know dating apps, where women choose height "6ft+" so they don't have to meet short men. Like that. If I was dating today, and there were enough women interested in me I would filter out those with tats or only date them after going through the list of ladies without tats first. My wife knows how I feel about them, we communicate openly in our marriage. I've told her it affects her beauty in my eyes, but if she wants to keep them thats fine with me. She's told me my post Xmas belly has the same effect on her as tats on me, I went on a diet. | |||
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"To me, the idea that a person needs a partner to approve decisions on their own body is shocking Ohh come on, so you are free to do whatever you like with your body, partner has no say? Dangerous sports, risky sexual behaviour, extreme cosmetic surgery, drug alcohol use? You just do whatever the hell you please? Fine, we don't roll like that, we consider each others opinions and feelings. and that they should be thinking about the possible person they could meet 20 years in the future and not damage their “value” and possibly put off a potential suitor incredulous. Ehh? I'd be advising my teenage kids, who would presumably be looking for love "now", not in 20 years! And yes they should work to create value in themselves, to be useful to society and attractive the opposite sex. If they ignore this, will they find a good and attractive partner they desire? in my opinion,whoever chooses to spend their lives together embrace and accept the other person as they are, as they are who they are due to life experiences and whatever they’ve done up to the moment you met. Except in the digital dating world, if one ticks "tats or piercings" and the other didn't, they'd never even get to meet, let alone embrace and accept each other as they are. What a pile of tosh! I have two degrees, was a nurse- a tattooed and pierced nurse, so useful to society. My body adornments alter my body, not my intelligence! I value myself regardless of ink. I valued myself before I had them, and afterwards too. My partner is a good man, he is intelligent and hard working, he has tattoos. They don’t alter who he is, as mine don’t alter me. How do you know they’d never meet? What a silly suggestion. You met your wife, you say when she’s clothed you can’t see her tattoos, so what about her attracted you in the first place? If she said I have tattoos, and showed them off the first time you met her, are you really trying to say that you wouldn’t see past them to the woman you love? Have you considered her feelings? When she reads this and see that you cringe when you look at parts of her? That’s really quite sad tbh x"  | |||
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"Thank you for not resorting to personal insults in your response. I am as you have gathered being accused of having a small mind. I still say it's bigger than my cock though. I remain unmoved by the explanations. Although not sure why you refer to westerners. Do you feel I might be a nonwesterner? Or is this an attempt to educate me? But you will agree cultures who use tattoos also view them as the westerners. Yet I fear the point is being lost in the midst of the defense of self-expression. As in, 'I can do whatever the fuck I like with my body, who the fuck are you to say otherwise?' I get it, it means all sorts of things to those who tattoo their body. It's really important and says whatever it is they think its saying. But the bottom line is; when I look at a naked body I want to see a naked body. I am by nature programmed to find a female body sexually alluring. Once you introduce interference to that shape, form, and line, you inevitably disturb the view. This will sound a bit cheesy but how many of us scribble on a flower before we arrange them. None of us in our right mind would paint a flower before we display it? We appreciate the natural beauty. You get the idea. " No. I didn't even look at your profile so have no idea what you class yourself as. You brought in Oceanic tattoos, which usually are tradionally telling the family history and geneaology, so i brought those up as well as the difference is that westerners tend to have them for aethetic reasons and adornment. If you liked the flowers for the way they are naturally you wouldn't remove them from their food source so that they would die in a vase. It's fine that you've sexualised women for what they are naturally also. Many people do and they fetishize a lot of what we are or are deemed to do to ourselves also. | |||
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Yes I like tattoos. Well some I should say. I've seen horrors and I've seen some very nice art. It's just personal preference tho yeah... | |||
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"Women and tattoos are amazing, especially thigh tattoos  "I agree | |||
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"Women and tattoos are amazing, especially thigh tattoos
I agree"Flash me a thigh tattoo and that me done haha  | |||
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"Women and tattoos are amazing, especially thigh tattoos
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Flash me a thigh tattoo and that me done haha "Haha I only have a shoulder tattoo | |||
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"Women and tattoos are amazing, especially thigh tattoos
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Flash me a thigh tattoo and that me done haha
Haha I only have a shoulder tattoo "Theres exceptions haha | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. " And a well-expressed opinion does not a fact make. | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. " So?!? | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. So?!? " It's a cleverly worded argument that boils down to nothing. | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. " How ridiculous.. does that mean I have to be sexually attracted to big noses.. or pierced tongues.. or hairy legs?!? No.. a person is much more than individual aspects of their appearance. I'm sexually attracted to the full package regardless of any small feature I may or may not like. When I meet someone it's because I like their mind and I expect the same level of connection to consider intimacy. I'm more than a few pictures on my skin. | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. So?!? It's a cleverly worded argument that boils down to nothing. " I find the argument a bit odd really. I am not sure why this is a problem?! Finding a mate is not the be all and end all and if someone is stupid enough to form an incorrect opinion based on me having tattoos, or not find me attractive because of them, so what?! Why would I be interested in someone like that either? Hasn't it saved us both time and from eachother?! | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. So?!? It's a cleverly worded argument that boils down to nothing. I find the argument a bit odd really. I am not sure why this is a problem?! Finding a mate is not the be all and end all and if someone is stupid enough to form an incorrect opinion based on me having tattoos, or not find me attractive because of them, so what?! Why would I be interested in someone like that either? Hasn't it saved us both time and from eachother?! " Silly woman. Women want babies. All of them. Always. It's our only purpose in life. Everything we do goes towards allowing all men to view us as their potential brood mare. Tattoos are difficult to change and thus limit our one true purpose in life because some men don't like them and are too shallow to look past them. This is different from eye colour or hair colour for (reasons not specified). Men who like tattoos are wrong. Therefore women with tattoos are doomed. QED. | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. So?!? It's a cleverly worded argument that boils down to nothing. I find the argument a bit odd really. I am not sure why this is a problem?! Finding a mate is not the be all and end all and if someone is stupid enough to form an incorrect opinion based on me having tattoos, or not find me attractive because of them, so what?! Why would I be interested in someone like that either? Hasn't it saved us both time and from eachother?! Silly woman. Women want babies. All of them. Always. It's our only purpose in life. Everything we do goes towards allowing all men to view us as their potential brood mare. Tattoos are difficult to change and thus limit our one true purpose in life because some men don't like them and are too shallow to look past them. This is different from eye colour or hair colour for (reasons not specified). Men who like tattoos are wrong. Therefore women with tattoos are doomed. QED. " Aaahhhhh!!! Silly old me...  | |||
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"I accept you have your tattoos for yourself only. No one else has a right to say otherwise. However, if we accept that first impressions count. As made quite clear by a thread even here. on Fab. You might very well be in a stable happy relationship for life. However, if we consider a scenario outside of the above, to be attracted to you is to be attracted to your tattoos first and foremost. Unless he/she likes a heavily tattooed body, neither of you stand a chance. Of course, what's on the inside counts more. But that inside cannot be discovered unless that person likes tattoos sexually. In essence, as the tattoos are your visual identity, regardless of what you wear, the tattoos will always come first. Any and every relationship or sexual encounter has to be dictated by the acceptance and appreciation of your tattoos. Thus totally eliminating a chunk of potential sex mates well before the start line. Moreover, you have narrowed your choice to only those who can appreciate tattoos. Thus further restricting other qualities in a person which you might find attractive to those who like tattoos only. I suspect you will and do find ways around the issue. But what is fact cannot be changed. Please note this not a condemnation of your tattoos. " your statement is flawed....to be attracted to me is to be attracted to my ink? Nope. Sorry. I couldn’t care less if Jason mamoa had fake ink or not. He’s still gorgeous. Secondly, what about those that couldn’t give a rats ass either way? When I met hubby, he wasn’t attracted to my sleeve. He loves it, but he never saw it for the first three dates. It’s Just part of me . And how do you like tattoos “sexually” ?? Visual identity regardless of what you wear ? See previous sentence. How do I “have” to narrow my choice to those “only” that like ink? No I don’t.. all I have to do is eliminate the people that don’t like them. | |||
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"Several responses have been posted to my last comment, all from women I might add. And since they pretty much say the same I thought I would honour their effort by a single response. It appears that most of you see the logic in my argument yet feel violated so you feel the urge to contradict. I am a man how dare I presume in the first place. It is your absolute right to do whatever you wish with your body. And to express your views. However, the fact remains, this sex is a site. We are here more sex generally. Whether we want a life partner or someone for a moment is still dependent on that person liking tattoos. We can all say to ourselves it what's on the inside that matters. But if we are really honest, how many of you ladies on here demand a 'face pic' and what reason do you give for wanting a 'face pic'? The fact is, we always go by visuals to start with. It's in our nature. Everything else is a bit grey. I am of course as a man flawed. But you women are perfect. Yet the hypocrisy seems to only extend to bashing men if they so much as utter anything they consider sexual in a woman which does not your own. Women who post pictures of themselves on Fab do so in far greater number. Why? If looks are so irrelevant. Or is this just pure narcissism? Incidentally. have any of you asked for big cocks in your profile? The point is, as before, Once you have tattoos you limit your choice of those who might find you attractive to only those who like or might like them. Fact! I thank you. Now throw the rotten eggs at me. " Lol!!!! Violated? Man bashing? Yet tattoos as a means of self harm and taking away the attractiveness of a body, only extends to women? Would you have a problem seeing tattoos on a man as he meets you and your partner. Perhaps she is able to see beyond ink and see it as simply a form of self expression? Btw, I don’t feel at all violated or I’m man bashing. Simply find your argument flawed, just as you find what every woman who responds to you, and questions why tattoos make us unattractive flawed. It’s simple- I like people, regardless of ink, I can see past that. You have your own views- obviously only extends to women, and nothing we say will change that. As a narcissistic self harmer, I wouldn’t dream of it, haha. Even if you do pretend to believe that as you’re male you’re obviously flawed. Does make me giggle what you write though, so no rotten egg throwing. Thanks for that  x | |||
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"Several responses have been posted to my last comment, all from women I might add. And since they pretty much say the same I thought I would honour their effort by a single response. It appears that most of you see the logic in my argument yet feel violated so you feel the urge to contradict. I am a man how dare I presume in the first place. It is your absolute right to do whatever you wish with your body. And to express your views. However, the fact remains, this sex is a site. We are here more sex generally. Whether we want a life partner or someone for a moment is still dependent on that person liking tattoos. We can all say to ourselves it what's on the inside that matters. But if we are really honest, how many of you ladies on here demand a 'face pic' and what reason do you give for wanting a 'face pic'? The fact is, we always go by visuals to start with. It's in our nature. Everything else is a bit grey. I am of course as a man flawed. But you women are perfect. Yet the hypocrisy seems to only extend to bashing men if they so much as utter anything they consider sexual in a woman which does not your own. Women who post pictures of themselves on Fab do so in far greater number. Why? If looks are so irrelevant. Or is this just pure narcissism? Incidentally. have any of you asked for big cocks in your profile? The point is, as before, Once you have tattoos you limit your choice of those who might find you attractive to only those who like or might like them. Fact! I thank you. Now throw the rotten eggs at me. Lol!!!! Violated? Man bashing? Yet tattoos as a means of self harm and taking away the attractiveness of a body, only extends to women? Would you have a problem seeing tattoos on a man as he meets you and your partner. Perhaps she is able to see beyond ink and see it as simply a form of self expression? Btw, I don’t feel at all violated or I’m man bashing. Simply find your argument flawed, just as you find what every woman who responds to you, and questions why tattoos make us unattractive flawed. It’s simple- I like people, regardless of ink, I can see past that. You have your own views- obviously only extends to women, and nothing we say will change that. As a narcissistic self harmer, I wouldn’t dream of it, haha. Even if you do pretend to believe that as you’re male you’re obviously flawed. Does make me giggle what you write though, so no rotten egg throwing. Thanks for that x "Oh, and never ask about the size of a man’s penis, forgot that bit. Even if it is a sex site- oops, wait a minute, it’s actually a swingers site, and I see men as more than walking genitalia- inked or otherwise x | |||
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"Several responses have been posted to my last comment, all from women I might add. And since they pretty much say the same I thought I would honour their effort by a single response. It appears that most of you see the logic in my argument yet feel violated so you feel the urge to contradict. I am a man how dare I presume in the first place. It is your absolute right to do whatever you wish with your body. And to express your views. However, the fact remains, this sex is a site. We are here more sex generally. Whether we want a life partner or someone for a moment is still dependent on that person liking tattoos. We can all say to ourselves it what's on the inside that matters. But if we are really honest, how many of you ladies on here demand a 'face pic' and what reason do you give for wanting a 'face pic'? The fact is, we always go by visuals to start with. It's in our nature. Everything else is a bit grey. I am of course as a man flawed. But you women are perfect. Yet the hypocrisy seems to only extend to bashing men if they so much as utter anything they consider sexual in a woman which does not your own. Women who post pictures of themselves on Fab do so in far greater number. Why? If looks are so irrelevant. Or is this just pure narcissism? Incidentally. have any of you asked for big cocks in your profile? The point is, as before, Once you have tattoos you limit your choice of those who might find you attractive to only those who like or might like them. Fact! I thank you. Now throw the rotten eggs at me. " Your speaking for all males is amusing. Thankfully you represent yourself only. Tattoos are one of a multitude of things that will be seen by any prospective partner and it's purely individual what anyone finds attractive or not. In the greater scheme of things it's really not a big deal... and no I don't stipulate any look or size. | |||
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"I loathe tattoos on women. There, the claws are out now. I have decided to post the mother of all posts as far as this topic is concerned. Tattoos on women to me are nothing short of desecration. As a straight man, I am only attracted to women sexually. This not sexist. And before you, wild cats scratch my eyes out. Allow me to make my case. But first, it might assist you to view my argument as intended if I were to clear any cobwebs as to my motives or agenda. I have had my share of relationships. With various degree of success and failure. Never found it a problem (fortunately) to attract a member of the opposite sex. Despite my efforts, I was a slut, strayed quite a bit. All together now, bastard. But since I met my current partner I have not even dreamed of being with any other. Let alone think consciously. She is my Goddess, I worship her. Sometimes several times a day. She encapsulates everything I need in a woman. Yes, I am lucky as fuck. Why am I on a swingers site? Easy to explain if you care to know. But for now, I will stay on course. And yes she has no tattoos and dislikes them, totally independently. So why am I so bothered about tattoos on other women I have everything I need, why can't I just let whatever women want to do to their bodies. Women with tattoos are making me sad. To cut a long idea short. Women remain my reason for being. When I see a beautiful woman I cannot help but feel good. Women inspire me. They give me energy. It might not seem clear to many. but men have created much of what we take for granted inspired by a woman or the idea of one. Don't worry if it does not make sense. It will someday. Women create life within their body, nothing tops a human life. So not much left to do. So men to win the hearts or the pussy of a woman will do just about anything. Some get really inspired and create something really useful in the process like a vacuum cleaner. I will allow you to figure out the rest if you don't view things this way. Back to tattoos. I find say the back woman's shoulder sexually alluring. I know I'm sick. Just an example. So what happens when she covers it up with bits of graffiti? For me to find that particular part of a woman's body alluring it has to be in its natural state. I'm not sexually aroused by random images and writing. So can I now see the back of the shoulder as shoulder or does the shoulder disappear behind the image? And since I don't have X-ray eyes I cannot discard the image and just look at the shoulder. So effectively the shoulder is no longer a thing of beauty. We can all agree on this though. If I find a particular part of a woman's body sexually alluring, then chances are many more men will too. However, the number of men who like a particular image specifically placed on a shoulder is very limited. In any case, they will like the tattoo but not the shoulder in the first instance. Yes, you wild cats are ruining my viewing pleasure. So stop it. And for what, do I not matter? Do you not care about me at all? Tattoos were once limited to particular groups and individuals. But now it is most definitely mainstream. It's only a trend. Just like we buy a clothing item which looks good now but only sees the back of the wardrobe. We see famous people with tattoos it is what is seen as fashionable. Like every fad which comes and goes, tattoos are no different. In the meantime, you lot are making me cry. I can't see your beautiful natural bodies. " Oh well.. our great loss.. 
You don't have any.. you have a partner without any.. maybe concentrate on what you like rather than what you don't. You have an opinion, but I honestly don't care. My choices were made by me, for me. They do not define me. There's enough misery in this world without some keyboard warrior leading a one man battle against tattoos that he'll never see.. maybe get a hobby? My skin is of no concern to you. Have a lovely day. | |||
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"I loathe tattoos on women. There, the claws are out now. I have decided to post the mother of all posts as far as this topic is concerned. Tattoos on women to me are nothing short of desecration. As a straight man, I am only attracted to women sexually. This not sexist. And before you, wild cats scratch my eyes out. Allow me to make my case. But first, it might assist you to view my argument as intended if I were to clear any cobwebs as to my motives or agenda. I have had my share of relationships. With various degree of success and failure. Never found it a problem (fortunately) to attract a member of the opposite sex. Despite my efforts, I was a slut, strayed quite a bit. All together now, bastard. But since I met my current partner I have not even dreamed of being with any other. Let alone think consciously. She is my Goddess, I worship her. Sometimes several times a day. She encapsulates everything I need in a woman. Yes, I am lucky as fuck. Why am I on a swingers site? Easy to explain if you care to know. But for now, I will stay on course. And yes she has no tattoos and dislikes them, totally independently. So why am I so bothered about tattoos on other women I have everything I need, why can't I just let whatever women want to do to their bodies. Women with tattoos are making me sad. To cut a long idea short. Women remain my reason for being. When I see a beautiful woman I cannot help but feel good. Women inspire me. They give me energy. It might not seem clear to many. but men have created much of what we take for granted inspired by a woman or the idea of one. Don't worry if it does not make sense. It will someday. Women create life within their body, nothing tops a human life. So not much left to do. So men to win the hearts or the pussy of a woman will do just about anything. Some get really inspired and create something really useful in the process like a vacuum cleaner. I will allow you to figure out the rest if you don't view things this way. Back to tattoos. I find say the back woman's shoulder sexually alluring. I know I'm sick. Just an example. So what happens when she covers it up with bits of graffiti? For me to find that particular part of a woman's body alluring it has to be in its natural state. I'm not sexually aroused by random images and writing. So can I now see the back of the shoulder as shoulder or does the shoulder disappear behind the image? And since I don't have X-ray eyes I cannot discard the image and just look at the shoulder. So effectively the shoulder is no longer a thing of beauty. We can all agree on this though. If I find a particular part of a woman's body sexually alluring, then chances are many more men will too. However, the number of men who like a particular image specifically placed on a shoulder is very limited. In any case, they will like the tattoo but not the shoulder in the first instance. Yes, you wild cats are ruining my viewing pleasure. So stop it. And for what, do I not matter? Do you not care about me at all? Tattoos were once limited to particular groups and individuals. But now it is most definitely mainstream. It's only a trend. Just like we buy a clothing item which looks good now but only sees the back of the wardrobe. We see famous people with tattoos it is what is seen as fashionable. Like every fad which comes and goes, tattoos are no different. In the meantime, you lot are making me cry. I can't see your beautiful natural bodies. " And yet, I saw on a previous thread that you can both see past your mutual distaste of them to meet tattooed men  oooo, the hypocrisy!!
Haha, I’ve been having tattoos since I was 19, so no trend or fad for me. I’ve never followed the status quo, that would bore me, the same as some opinionated people do. Notice I said opinionated people! Some are highly articulate, intelligent, and informed! They don’t make sweeping and generalised statements, don’t use inflammatory insults, they simply debate.
I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting you’re wrong, as you have your own viewpoint, as I have mine.
Obviously they clash- but to make up for the upset caused by my being unattractive to everyone, due to my self multilation, I’m sticking to my commitment of more ink on my full back piece next month! That will make me feel better. Obviously I’ll sob throughout, now I’m better enlightened to what I’ve done to myself, haha x | |||
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"As with previous, I am hearing much yet none have swayed me. I even have some who have missed the point about me saying that women are my reason for being. Clearly, they wish to use any means to insult me. No matter. But it is meant to be metaphoric rather than literal. So please, you can stop feeling sorry for me. I don't, it might surprise you to know to spend all my time pinning about women. Let me ask you ladies, who would you rather have, a man who is inspired by you and fucks you as an expression of his thoughts and feelings about you. Or a man who has a hard-on and needs a hole? " Lol, like the men couples meet? Your wife is not a hole either, but do the men have thoughts and feelings about her, or are they, and you acting upon your sexual wants- hence you being on this site? You’re insulting any woman who is on a swinging site, your wife included by that. Obviously unintentionally, but how people put things across reflects on how others perceive them. No sympathy here, just a difference of opinion. I have no doubt at all that you don’t pine all day for women. It may also surprise you to know that not every woman on a swinging site meets men for casual sex x | |||
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"As with previous, I am hearing much yet none have swayed me. I even have some who have missed the point about me saying that women are my reason for being. Clearly, they wish to use any means to insult me. No matter. But it is meant to be metaphoric rather than literal. So please, you can stop feeling sorry for me. I don't, it might surprise you to know to spend all my time pinning about women. Let me ask you ladies, who would you rather have, a man who is inspired by you and fucks you as an expression of his thoughts and feelings about you. Or a man who has a hard-on and needs a hole? " Nobody cares if you're swayed or not. I actually have no idea what your hole reference is about unless you're suggesting tattooed women are just that?! Either way.. as you were. | |||
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"Your disdain for tattooed women is crystal clear. That you think it extends to all men is quite sad. I'm quite sure that various feminist icons would be rolling their eyes at yet another attempt to tell women how they should be based on what an individual man thinks. " Lol- equality is the right to do whatever we want with our bodies- regardless of the attitude of some. Tattoos are not seen as the reason for existence, lol, that’s ludicrous! When a man speaks so disparingly against women, purely because they are tattooed, it speaks volumes about their attitude. Tattoos do not reflect a poor moral fibre, they are not self mutilation, or an insult to women who fought for women’s rights. When a woman challenges how offensive the posts are, she’s not engaging in the argument- how is she supposed to, by saying that he’s absolutely right? That’s not how debate works. Lol, a man implying that a woman is less than another because she practices her rights to autonomy We have tattoos because we like them, the same as we don’t if they’re not for us- not because we care whether or not a man wants to fuck us, but because we own our own bodies, we have the freedom of thought and expression. Pretty sure the same questioning of women’s morals were raised when they wanted to wear trousers!
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It’s your body, so what you like to it and people should stop sticking their oar in to something that isn’t theirs to stick. | |||
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"I have a few tattoos and within the next few weeks I'll have a few more. I also have 5 facial piercings. And the amount of times some nobody has told me that potential partners might not like them only to be told to shove that up their ass is unbelievable. If I meet someone and they have the audacity to say "you look great but you'd look better without xyz" they'll be swiftly told to get the boat. It's my body and I love my body. I love my tattoos and I love my piercings. And it means more to me that I love myself than it does to have the approval of a shallow dick who'd judge me for choices I've made regarding my own body! " Preach! | |||
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"I have no issue with what people wish to do with their bodies.I will suggest to both my children that it could effect your career depending on career choice. It's however their choice but I would be negligent not to advise them of prejudice against tattoos.Ive already told them they have to work harder than everyone else to get anywhere in life ." To me this is sensible. Or, if you want them, somewhere where they won't be seen at work. | |||
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