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"Is this a question or just a statement? Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life. I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening. If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?" 
It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good. | |||
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"Michael Jackson died long before me too started. " It also looks very much like he's guilty. | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?" it's life for infamous people ,theirs money to be had if they slip up or are eccentric and the media takes full advantage, look at cliff Richard a very private man ,a man I thought who always gave off a very positive image but a man whose sex life was in question  | |||
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"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members. No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc. Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear."   | |||
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"Is this a question or just a statement? Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life. I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening. If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?
It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good. "Well except when the men came out about prominent female memebers of metoo and were roundly attacked, and women gave letters of support for the female abusers etc said that thier careers should be affected just because they sexually abused a man etc. Was all a bit of an "oh moment" much like how title IX cases against women are getting thrashed by feminists despite them bei ng oerfectly happy for title ix cases against men kicking them out of uni in a no smoke without fire style mock trial. | |||
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"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members. No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc. Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear. "Not sure whst the roll eyes is for its been in pretty much every business paper for the last year or so. Its like how feminism won a great battle by getting pit girls fired. It's all a win for the people who arent actually affected but for those whos jobs have been lost or damaged its an issue | |||
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"Is this a question or just a statement? Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life. I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening. If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?
It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good. "
I read an article in my local newspaper yesterday about a young man who was a victim and has waived his right to anonymity to tell his story in the hopes it prevents it happening to anyone else. I won't go into details on here because it is a subject that may get me a forum holiday but I can share a link if people want to read it.
The article brought tears to my eyes. The strength and courage of this young man to speak out is amazing. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well.. "*standing ovation* | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society" It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. " Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well.. "Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward. The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately. You didnt but your career is now over and done. Why risk it when your career is worth millions? | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"Do you think that happens often? | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"I'd either have the courage to defend myself effectively, or leave an industry, or employer who is prepared to treat me in that way. | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. " Certainly not in the majority of cases but it’s easy for a woman to do and it’s their word against the man’s. I think it’s difficult for men to be honest. Any woman can have a few drinks and do something she regrets and twist things. And it does happen. Again how is it proved? I’d hate to be a man in this day and age. | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. " As I said there are exceptions but they are few and far between, and if it causes men to behave differently and prevent ladies having to go through it, then it's a step in the right direction | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?"Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly. Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man. How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men? The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk. There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation. So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults? Or does your perception differ from the record | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. Certainly not in the majority of cases but it’s easy for a woman to do and it’s their word against the man’s. I think it’s difficult for men to be honest. Any woman can have a few drinks and do something she regrets and twist things. And it does happen. Again how is it proved? I’d hate to be a man in this day and age. " But while women and younger have been expected to shrug this stuff off, keep it quiet, blame themselves, for generations... I don't think men are too hardly done by here. | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. As I said there are exceptions but they are few and far between, and if it causes men to behave differently and prevent ladies having to go through it, then it's a step in the right direction " I agree but like I said, as with most things, there are exceptions. And that is also ruining someone’s life whether male or female. | |||
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"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think. Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority. I get what you're saying though. Certainly not in the majority of cases but it’s easy for a woman to do and it’s their word against the man’s. I think it’s difficult for men to be honest. Any woman can have a few drinks and do something she regrets and twist things. And it does happen. Again how is it proved? I’d hate to be a man in this day and age. But while women and younger have been expected to shrug this stuff off, keep it quiet, blame themselves, for generations... I don't think men are too hardly done by here. " No I agree, any type of sexual assault/violation/harassment is unacceptable and if this brings it to the surface then it can only be a good thing but there will definitely be false accusations whether it’s a small amount or not and that’s what makes it difficult. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record"Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false. Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong? It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record"Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused! https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape"Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason. But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?" Ok 1) Show evidence of it being "run by radical feminists" Names? 2) Exactly what kind of "radical feminists?" (There are many subsets) 3) Are they all accusing celebrities? (I'm certain there were some non celebs accused too...) 4)If you assert that most of the accused have been accused falsely can you back that up with figures? (If not I'm going to assume hyperbole) 5) Which ones "made a quick buck"? (Genuinely who is making money out of this?) 6) Courts will usually only bring a case if there IS substantive evidence. In the UK this evidence is shown to the Procurator Fiscal who decides if a case goes forward to court. The USA court system differs in many ways but decisions on whether or not to go to trial is also based on ACTUAL evidence presented. What is your REAL beef here OP? Women getting too radfem and uppity. Maybe we just want to be able to walk around in the world not being ra**d or assaulted. Everyone deserves that kind of world. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.
Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?
It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way. "My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false. So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes (4 is twice 2) I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds | |||
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"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members. No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc. Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear." THAT is the price of creepy c***s at work. NOT the effing price of #meetoo. | |||
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"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members. No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc. Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear.
Not sure whst the roll eyes is for its been in pretty much every business paper for the last year or so.
Its like how feminism won a great battle by getting pit girls fired.
It's all a win for the people who arent actually affected but for those whos jobs have been lost or damaged its an issue"Hahaha, tell that to my pal who had "IT" happen at work from a senior employee and she got "let go" for complaining. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.
Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?
It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.
My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.
So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes
(4 is twice 2)
I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds"No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false. | |||
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"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members. No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc. Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear. THAT is the price of creepy c***s at work. NOT the effing price of #meetoo. " Yeah. Put up with harassment or worse or slow your career ladies! What about the poor poor men? | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"Let's say you did because a career worth millions has turned you into an entitled twat. You took what you wanted when you wanted and you're pooping your pants that they'll tell someone the truth soon and then you're screwed. Second scenario is more realistic. Yes false accusations happen. The proportion however is utterly tiny in comparison to actual illegal coercive or forced acts. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.
Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?
It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.
My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.
So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes
(4 is twice 2)
I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds
No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false. "Add into this the fact that only one in ten reported accusations actually get to court and the numbers start to look very different. It is also widely acknowledged that less than a third of cases are ever reported to police. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.
Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?
It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.
My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.
So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes
(4 is twice 2)
I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds
No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false. "I'll pull up the latest criminological data on this when I have time, from the most respected sources, if you'd like. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.
Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?
It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.
My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.
So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes
(4 is twice 2)
I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds
No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false.
Add into this the fact that only one in ten reported accusations actually get to court and the numbers start to look very different. It is also widely acknowledged that less than a third of cases are ever reported to police."Indeed. I'm basing my comments on previous editions of the Crime Survey of England and Wales, which is one of the most trusted sources for this issue. | |||
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"Social media does not help or the ability with these 24/7 news outlets with waiting until someone is guilty before all the pitchforks come out. Take Cliff Richard (just as an example) there was absolutely no evidence of him being guilty yet here was bbc news flying a helicopter over his house branding him all these terrible things, yet no actual evidence. Take those men that have their lives ruined by women crying r@pe, yet when it comes out there wasn’t actually a r@pe, those men have had their lives ruined by the press and social media, it really fucks me off that the women making these allegations get to go around scott free and allowed to live their lives yet these men, even though they were found not guilty will have that hanging over them regardless if they were found innocent. Danish x" | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape
Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason.
But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis"Hahaha, wow. I'm assuming your speciality is neither Law or statistics. Women are capable of r**e either against their own sex or the opposite sex. It's defined as "forced sexual penetration" No penis required.... The stat about men being more likely to be a victim of r**e than a victim of false accusation was intended to highlight how rare it is it does not mean more men are r***d than women even if you take into account prison populations. | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen. "Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent. | |||
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"Social media does not help or the ability with these 24/7 news outlets with waiting until someone is guilty before all the pitchforks come out. Take Cliff Richard (just as an example) there was absolutely no evidence of him being guilty yet here was bbc news flying a helicopter over his house branding him all these terrible things, yet no actual evidence. Take those men that have their lives ruined by women crying r@pe, yet when it comes out there wasn’t actually a r@pe, those men have had their lives ruined by the press and social media, it really fucks me off that the women making these allegations get to go around scott free and allowed to live their lives yet these men, even though they were found not guilty will have that hanging over them regardless if they were found innocent. Danish x" I mentioned cliff above but yes I agree men take the brunch of the failures of the legal and media inadequacies | |||
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"I know a woman who claims to have been r*ped 7 times and is more than happy to bring it into every conversation, unprompted. Now for this to happen once is terrible bad luck, but 7 times? I smell a bit of a rat, especially as she admits that on one of these occasions she invited the would be attacker into her bed whilst already naked in that bed. Of course no means no, but come on, have a bit of self-preservation... Of course if genuine, then once is far too many times. " 7 times and she’s not reported it ? Hmm | |||
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"I know a woman who claims to have been r*ped 7 times and is more than happy to bring it into every conversation, unprompted. Now for this to happen once is terrible bad luck, but 7 times? I smell a bit of a rat, especially as she admits that on one of these occasions she invited the would be attacker into her bed whilst already naked in that bed. Of course no means no, but come on, have a bit of self-preservation... Of course if genuine, then once is far too many times. 7 times and she’s not reported it ? Hmm " Reported yes, but I dont know how far these reports have gone. I dont know her that well and have never really asked as, quite frankly, I dont believe her. I wonder whether the police might view this as a "boy who cried wolf" type scenario? | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..
Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.
The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.
You didnt but your career is now over and done.
Why risk it when your career is worth millions?
Do you think that happens often?
Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.
Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.
How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?
The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.
There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.
So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?
Or does your perception differ from the record
Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape
Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason.
But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis
Hahaha, wow. I'm assuming your speciality is neither Law or statistics.
Women are capable of r**e either against their own sex or the opposite sex. It's defined as "forced sexual penetration"
No penis required....
The stat about men being more likely to be a victim of r**e than a victim of false accusation was intended to highlight how rare it is it does not mean more men are r***d than women even if you take into account prison populations."Not in the uk it requires a penis " (1) A person (A) commits an offence if— (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b) B does not consent to the penetration, and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. (2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents. (3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section. (4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life." | |||
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"Social media does not help or the ability with these 24/7 news outlets with waiting until someone is guilty before all the pitchforks come out. Take Cliff Richard (just as an example) there was absolutely no evidence of him being guilty yet here was bbc news flying a helicopter over his house branding him all these terrible things, yet no actual evidence. Take those men that have their lives ruined by women crying r@pe, yet when it comes out there wasn’t actually a r@pe, those men have had their lives ruined by the press and social media, it really fucks me off that the women making these allegations get to go around scott free and allowed to live their lives yet these men, even though they were found not guilty will have that hanging over them regardless if they were found innocent. Danish xI mentioned cliff above but yes I agree men take the brunch of the failures of the legal and media inadequacies" brunt | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent. "Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid. In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some. | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some. "Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask. If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone. I think that basically covers it. | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed The guy who did 16 years is my dad's cousin. I do agree with you. | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.
Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.
If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.
I think that basically covers it. "And if in any doubt at all, keep your hands to yourself. | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.
Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.
If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.
I think that basically covers it.
And if in any doubt at all, keep your hands to yourself. "I've worked for thirty years in predominantly female environments. I've never once felt any difficulty interacting with female colleagues and have never been accused of acting inappropriately with them. How did I manage such a feat? By realising that sex and work don't mix. | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen. "That is right | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.
Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.
If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.
I think that basically covers it.
And if in any doubt at all, keep your hands to yourself.
I've worked for thirty years in predominantly female environments. I've never once felt any difficulty interacting with female colleagues and have never been accused of acting inappropriately with them.
How did I manage such a feat? By realising that sex and work don't mix. "It's depressing that this even needs to be stated. Not saying you're doing anything wrong, far from it, but the ones who don't, it's a bit like, what do you mean I'm not allowed to bite Johnny during nap time? | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.
Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.
If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.
I think that basically covers it.
And if in any doubt at all, keep your hands to yourself. "On the work question, yes I agree... But a lot of dating / relationships / marriages happen between work colegues. So it is not a complete no go area, nor should it be. Wouldn't it be nice if intentions could be openly stated and answers respected, so that they are clearly given. I know, it's never going to happen and it is not that easy, but when I am teaching and stand behind a sitting student, I don't need to be aware that my penis is at head height and if I lean in to point at something on the screen I have never needed to consider if my student is male or female, attractive to me or not, because sex is not in my head when teaching, but I don't know what is in their head. Life would be so much easier if all sexual organs and desires could be kept in the toy box under the bed until needed. | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?" Because the world has gone mad. That's what happens when you allow the snowflakes to take over... | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some. "Pushing at boundaries til you get a definitive no? Hahaha, I've just used the notes system to pop that in in case I'm ever in your area mate. Sane people communicate boundaries and respect them. | |||
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""Sheila Buckley, whose daughter Maxine played a major part in securing Kiszko's conviction, criticised the police for not arresting him earlier and told the Manchester Evening News that ".. children are a lot safer now this monster has been put away" Atleast she is named and shamed. Not as much as my entire family has been... People associated me with this as a child even. I feel like facebooking her to tell her how it makes me feel. If she lives free after telling such a lie why can't I freely question her? The impact of her lie put the wrong person in prison for 16 years and ruined my family. It's a really bitter pill to l istern to feminists because there are so many examples of this. They don't have empathy." We do have empathy, what we don't have is time or patience. Yes I'm a feminist, yes I know there are cases where women lie and secure convictions on it but you know where I hear about these real cases most? When asking why women aren't safe out alone at night.... | |||
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"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause. Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty. An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.
Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.
In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.
Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.
If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.
I think that basically covers it.
And if in any doubt at all, keep your hands to yourself.
On the work question, yes I agree... But a lot of dating / relationships / marriages happen between work colegues. So it is not a complete no go area, nor should it be.
Wouldn't it be nice if intentions could be openly stated and answers respected, so that they are clearly given.
I know, it's never going to happen and it is not that easy, but when I am teaching and stand behind a sitting student, I don't need to be aware that my penis is at head height and if I lean in to point at something on the screen I have never needed to consider if my student is male or female, attractive to me or not, because sex is not in my head when teaching, but I don't know what is in their head.
Life would be so much easier if all sexual organs and desires could be kept in the toy box under the bed until needed.
"I was thinking more boss or supervisor. Life would be easier, but in the meantime, it makes for a happier world for everyone if we're mindful of how we might be interpreted and try not to appear threatening or creepy (looking down when I'm angry, not staring into space in the direction of breasts or groins, for example). I do it every day. I don't always get it right, but I try. And if you want to approach, assume consent is not given unless the body language or language are clear. | |||
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" We do have empathy, what we don't have is time or patience. Yes I'm a feminist, yes I know there are cases where women lie and secure convictions on it but you know where I hear about these real cases most? When asking why women aren't safe out alone at night...." In school I was known for being related to a peado child killer. In prison he was known as a peado child killer. His mother knew he was innocent. #metoo | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad. "Because patriarchy hurts men, too. | |||
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"Pushing at boundaries til you get a definitive no? Hahaha, I've just used the notes system to pop that in in case I'm ever in your area mate. Sane people communicate boundaries and respect them. " I agree, open communication is desired, but looking around it is how many adult men and women behave, sane or not. No need to make notes about me, My default intentions are strictly non sexual to all, unless you ask directly and I may then consider my answer | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad.
Because patriarchy hurts men, too. "I guess so, but to honest, with any system we come up with, someone is bound to get hurt. It just may not be so obvious in many cases. Like when we're all sitting here using our phones, very rarely do people think about where and how those materials were sourced. | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad.
Because patriarchy hurts men, too.
I guess so, but to honest, with any system we come up with, someone is bound to get hurt. It just may not be so obvious in many cases. Like when we're all sitting here using our phones, very rarely do people think about where and how those materials were sourced."Oh indeed. But right here and now, in this subject, the assumptions we make about male and female sexuality, communication, etc, have created a right royal mess. | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases? Because the world has gone mad. That's what happens when you allow the snowflakes to take over..." Both sides need to grow up. And in most cases there no smoke with out fire. | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad.
Because patriarchy hurts men, too.
I guess so, but to honest, with any system we come up with, someone is bound to get hurt. It just may not be so obvious in many cases. Like when we're all sitting here using our phones, very rarely do people think about where and how those materials were sourced.
Oh indeed. But right here and now, in this subject, the assumptions we make about male and female sexuality, communication, etc, have created a right royal mess. "I agree. I think, whilst social media has helped shed a light on this, it has also been a bit of a double-edged sword. I feel like we're living in a space in which everyone is shouting, but no one is listening. | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad.
Because patriarchy hurts men, too.
I guess so, but to honest, with any system we come up with, someone is bound to get hurt. It just may not be so obvious in many cases. Like when we're all sitting here using our phones, very rarely do people think about where and how those materials were sourced.
Oh indeed. But right here and now, in this subject, the assumptions we make about male and female sexuality, communication, etc, have created a right royal mess.
I agree. I think, whilst social media has helped shed a light on this, it has also been a bit of a double-edged sword. I feel like we're living in a space in which everyone is shouting, but no one is listening. "I feel like we're being heard for the first time. It's not easy, but I hope it's leading to a world where being a victim is less shameful and everyday predation becomes rarer. | |||
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"One thing that I've noticed for sure is that when a female teacher sleeps with a male student, the punishment isn't nearly as bad.
Because patriarchy hurts men, too.
I guess so, but to honest, with any system we come up with, someone is bound to get hurt. It just may not be so obvious in many cases. Like when we're all sitting here using our phones, very rarely do people think about where and how those materials were sourced.
Oh indeed. But right here and now, in this subject, the assumptions we make about male and female sexuality, communication, etc, have created a right royal mess.
I agree. I think, whilst social media has helped shed a light on this, it has also been a bit of a double-edged sword. I feel like we're living in a space in which everyone is shouting, but no one is listening.
I feel like we're being heard for the first time. It's not easy, but I hope it's leading to a world where being a victim is less shameful and everyday predation becomes rarer. "That's a good thing. Just have to be careful as to not throw innocent people under the bus. | |||
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"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave.. Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins. I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well.. "Sounds like you're completely missing the point, well done! Those men are avoiding interraction for fear of false claims of harassment. Given how easy it is to be demonised by nothing but someones word, avoiding the unnecessary BS that comes with a false accusation is the safest option. I really hope you genuinely didnt think what he said was because those blokes can't keep their hands to themselves. | |||
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"A woman in the UK was put in prison for r*pe by deception. She presented to be a man by using a sex toy so no you don't need a penis to commit r*pe and be done for it" I remember this case didn’t they have a relationship and everything? But she had lied the entire time stating that s/he is highly self conscious and must have the lights off? Doughnut | |||
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"A woman in the UK was put in prison for r*pe by deception. She presented to be a man by using a sex toy so no you don't need a penis to commit r*pe and be done for it I remember this case didn’t they have a relationship and everything? But she had lied the entire time stating that s/he is highly self conscious and must have the lights off? Doughnut " Yup!! She r*ped her with a sex toy 10 times I think before she found out what had happened | |||
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"A woman in the UK was put in prison for r*pe by deception. She presented to be a man by using a sex toy so no you don't need a penis to commit r*pe and be done for it" Nope she was charged with sexual assault. Not r*pe. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex 3 counts of sexual assult. Uk law specifically states r*pe i volved a penis. (1) A person (A) commits an offence if— (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b) B does not consent to the penetration, and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. (2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents. (3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section. (4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life. ^the law verbatim "with his penis" You can find all laws and thier exact wordings on the government website's fyi | |||
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"A woman in the UK was put in prison for r*pe by deception. She presented to be a man by using a sex toy so no you don't need a penis to commit r*pe and be done for it I remember this case didn’t they have a relationship and everything? But she had lied the entire time stating that s/he is highly self conscious and must have the lights off? Doughnut Yup!! She r*ped her with a sex toy 10 times I think before she found out what had happened" No, she sexually assaulted her | |||
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"A woman in the UK was put in prison for r*pe by deception. She presented to be a man by using a sex toy so no you don't need a penis to commit r*pe and be done for it I remember this case didn’t they have a relationship and everything? But she had lied the entire time stating that s/he is highly self conscious and must have the lights off? Doughnut Yup!! She r*ped her with a sex toy 10 times I think before she found out what had happened" Well she wasn't actually charged with that offence, also it is a weird case as presumably consent was given in the belief it was a man. Wonder if it would be viewed differently now we have more awareness of transgender? | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?" It doesn't take a Radical Feminist to realize that NO MEANS NO and if you haven't even bothered to ask, you shouldn't be doing it. Why are people who speak out against inappropriate things branded as radical?? | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases? It doesn't take a Radical Feminist to realize that NO MEANS NO and if you haven't even bothered to ask, you shouldn't be doing it. Why are people who speak out against inappropriate things branded as radical??" https://youtu.be/IJqjJLDnxjA ^ is this radical to you. Men holding a door, or mot holding a door for a woman (depends which offends the woman) should be charged with a felony crime? | |||
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"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases? It doesn't take a Radical Feminist to realize that NO MEANS NO and if you haven't even bothered to ask, you shouldn't be doing it. Why are people who speak out against inappropriate things branded as radical??" They're not. That was the intention of the movement originally. It seems to have moved on quite a bit since then. | |||
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