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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Was her job relevant?

Shame she couldn't just be sad for the death of the individuals without trying to make a point. Her life must be very black and white.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

She wouldn't work for me anymore

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

Who does she work for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She’s a teacher

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think companies are within their rights to consider sacking people who make public comments celebrating acts of mass violence or terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think so. Policed speech is never a good thing. Even if disgusting being offended is not an injury. Any innocent loss of life an awful thing.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Ohh tough one.

What job does she do? If a normal one, no I really don't think she should be sacked.

Maybe take her aside and have a word.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Showing a racist attitude like that is unacceptable

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"She’s a teacher"

I'm sure her Muslim students will be delighted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Primary school dinner lady, according to the site I read.

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall


"She’s a teacher"

Definitely sacked then

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ohh tough one.

What job does she do? If a normal one, no I really don't think she should be sacked.

Maybe take her aside and have a word."

What would be a normal job?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Sacked from her job? I guess it depends on what her job is, and her terms of employment! A public servant probably has a duty to be a bit more considered/less inflammatory.

It's a horribly insensitive thing to write (and, as an aside, there have been thousands of Muslim victims of terrorism so it's not even that accurate), but she's free to say what she thinks, however unpleasant I find it.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

A teacher?? She should know better to put per personal opinions on a public platform.

She should be reminded of her responsibilities to behave impartially which includes social media!!

But sacked....no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Primary school dinner lady, according to the site I read. "

Ah, I read teacher somewhere apologies

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Primary school dinner lady, according to the site I read.

Ah, I read teacher somewhere apologies"

Nothing to apologise for, no real way of knowing which site was right. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

I saw something similar from a nurse of all people fron New York. If you work with the general public in a role where you're in the authority of vulnerable people then absolutely she should be dealt with. I count the teaching profession as one of those. If you spew hate about certain groups of people how can you be trusted to do the right thing when those you don't like are in your care? It isn't just about policing speech it's about capability and conduct within your job role. I'd happily e-mail screenshots to her employer.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Sorry, just seen the other comments that she's a teacher.

You would hope a teacher might have a bit more compassion and nuance to her views. Is it sackable? I don't know, but deeply insulting to those who have died. If I were here, I would be worried about my job.

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By *d cfcMan
over a year ago

CHESTERFIELD

its a good job people don get the sack for some of the things that get said on here!!!!

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

I know the NHS frown on their staff posting negative comments on FB....staff have been suspended due to FB posts,

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life."

I'm not sure adults should need to be told that they'll be thought badly of, and there may be consequences, if they spew hatred in a public arena. That's stuff primary school children should know.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I know the NHS frown on their staff posting negative comments on FB....staff have been suspended due to FB posts, "

Indeed. I know NHS workers and I also know they and their families restrain themselves on social media.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm unsure about this person being sacked but posting on social media has in some jurisdictions been shown to have relevant implications to employment.

It appears - without knowing the full context - to be an awful comment for anyone to post, at a time when many people deserve our empathy and care, to the extent that I find it sickening. I'd certainly be very concerned if one of my staff had made such a comment and it could lead to suspension and investigation. It's awful for anyone to lose their job, as it's a bedrock for personal wellbeing. But, there are responsibilities that we all have, living amongst others and we must always take them very seriously. The ethos should be to treat others with respect and to leave others' lives neutrally or positively affected by our engagement with them.

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By *angtidy42Couple
over a year ago

Redditch

Always think about what could happen. A lot of companies will sack you as your associated with their company name and that could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Sacked for her views or sacked for airing them? Thin end of the wedge in my opinion.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

sacked from where ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life.

I'm not sure adults should need to be told that they'll be thought badly of, and there may be consequences, if they spew hatred in a public arena. That's stuff primary school children should know. "

Considering she works in a school she's in a good place to get that education.

Sometimes we all act cuntish and common sense and all rationality fucks off down the pub.

I certainly wouldn't sack her though but that's just me. I'd imagine the shame of the incident is enough.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life.

I'm not sure adults should need to be told that they'll be thought badly of, and there may be consequences, if they spew hatred in a public arena. That's stuff primary school children should know.

Considering she works in a school she's in a good place to get that education.

Sometimes we all act cuntish and common sense and all rationality fucks off down the pub.

I certainly wouldn't sack her though but that's just me. I'd imagine the shame of the incident is enough."

I wouldn't want someone like that around my children...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"A teacher?? She should know better to put per personal opinions on a public platform.

She should be reminded of her responsibilities to behave impartially which includes social media!!

But sacked....no. "

Teachers are allowed to pass any opinions that they hold as long as they don't link it back to the school or say it in a manner that seems as if it was made by the school or in a manner that puts the school into ill repute.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

P.S. Teachers do not have to behave impartially outside of school.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life.

I'm not sure adults should need to be told that they'll be thought badly of, and there may be consequences, if they spew hatred in a public arena. That's stuff primary school children should know.

Considering she works in a school she's in a good place to get that education.

Sometimes we all act cuntish and common sense and all rationality fucks off down the pub.

I certainly wouldn't sack her though but that's just me. I'd imagine the shame of the incident is enough.

I wouldn't want someone like that around my children... "

Nor would I and I wouldn't employ them.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Exactly....and it could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

However, if she's a dinner lady and not a teacher it's a bit different.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Exactly....and it could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

However, if she's a dinner lady and not a teacher it's a bit different.

"

No it doesn't bring the school into disrepute as long as she doesn't mention the school or make it obvious where she works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone is allowed an opinion, if you don't like it choose to ignore it.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Exactly....and it could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

However, if she's a dinner lady and not a teacher it's a bit different.

No it doesn't bring the school into disrepute as long as she doesn't mention the school or make it obvious where she works. "

And yet people now know....which will probably have repercussions. For her.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?"

Really ? Then a lot of people are ignorant racists.

Muslim does not = terrorist. Asking someone of a different race if they 'like being on the receiving end' ... implies that they have dished out that sort of punishment to non muslims.

That's just blatant racism. End of.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

If she’s a teacher - then imo yes - she should be sacked!

Teachers are in a position of power. Young children are sponges - they soak of the ideas of others and use them to form their own! I’d hate for any child of mine - or anyone else’s - to learn and share that ideology!

As we know - knives, guns and bombs don’t kill people themselves - it’s the beliefs and ideas of the person holding them!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Exactly....and it could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

However, if she's a dinner lady and not a teacher it's a bit different.

No it doesn't bring the school into disrepute as long as she doesn't mention the school or make it obvious where she works.

And yet people now know....which will probably have repercussions. For her."

Hopefully.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?"

A lot of racists, yes

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Everyone is allowed an opinion, if you don't like it choose to ignore it. "

Yeah. Turn a blind eye to all the shit that gets done as long as it's not done to you. Good advice.

What's that saying that ends with ....... and then they came for me ?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Relax woman.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes"

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she worked for me I'd get rid of her as I wouldn't want someone with that attitude

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?"

Well I really hope I don’t know any of those people!

I can absolutely understand hating an individual - if someone hurt my babies I’d want to hurt them back - no doubt about it!

But to hate a race? A nation? A culture? A religion? A colour? That I cannot and will not ever understand!

These atrocities will never stop unless, globally, we all just start to see each other as human beings - different but equal!

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

I'm all for free speech but what a horrible thing to say, yeah sack her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw this post on social media, she isn’t a teacher she’s down as a mid-day supervisor at a school presumably overseeing lunchtimes. I do think her comments were disgusting though and it will serve as a lesson to people that you cannot write whatever you like on social media and not face the consequences. Too many people forget who they are when they are online and make comments they never would in real life.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Relax woman. "

Was that response to me ?

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl


"Everyone is allowed an opinion, if you don't like it choose to ignore it. "

Of course opinions are like bum holes everyone has one, but choosing to air one that offends a whole country... keep el gobo shuto....simple

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence."

Fully agree with this.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence."

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Everyone is allowed an opinion, if you don't like it choose to ignore it.

Of course opinions are like bum holes everyone has one, but choosing to air one that offends a whole country... keep el gobo shuto....simple "

Opinions are like bum holes, some are noxious and should be washed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see some here commenting in disgust are the same ones that want to see a woman who was groomed as a 15 year old, left to rot in Syrian camp.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she was working for me, she'd be sacked. If she was working with me, I'd want her sacked. If she was working at my children's school, I'd want her sacked. If she was a friend or acquaintance, she'd be blocked from my life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways. "

You won’t stamp the views out. You just drive them underground.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

If that was her first offence then no, she shouldn't lose her job over it, though someone should have a word with her to prevent a repeat in the future. People often times word things a bit too strongly and make mistakes. Firing someone over an ill thought social media post is too extreme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways.

You won’t stamp the views out. You just drive them underground."

Like, Girls. Aloud. sound of the underground, lol.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways.

You won’t stamp the views out. You just drive them underground."

Sure. Where they have less oxygen, exposure, and influence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways.

You won’t stamp the views out. You just drive them underground.

Sure. Where they have less oxygen, exposure, and influence. "

Or where they congregate and verbal or written opinions become physical actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit. "

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face."

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

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By *eardsandboobsCouple
over a year ago

north of lincoln

When it was reported by our local Facebook news , people were putting horrid remarks and using the laugh emoji, these people should be brought to task by their employer. A quick click on the people shows where they work and makes you think about using the company they work for . Would you want to buy from a local business where an employee has laughed that 50 people have been murdered ?

People are worried they will get sacked for being on a sex site but don’t have any fears about laughing at murders

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

A lot of racists, yes

We stamp these views out by making them unacceptable, by applying consequences. She's allowed to be happy that this happened. And I'm allowed, upon discovering this view, to be disgusted and not associate with her. And to express my disgust, in part by (if applicable) not wanting my children anywhere near her.

If it applies to a Muslim who's happy about Westerners being killed, it's got to go both ways.

You won’t stamp the views out. You just drive them underground.

Sure. Where they have less oxygen, exposure, and influence.

Or where they congregate and verbal or written opinions become physical actions. "

Perhaps. But better than being allowed to flourish in the open.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

"

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When it was reported by our local Facebook news , people were putting horrid remarks and using the laugh emoji, these people should be brought to task by their employer. A quick click on the people shows where they work and makes you think about using the company they work for . Would you want to buy from a local business where an employee has laughed that 50 people have been murdered ?

People are worried they will get sacked for being on a sex site but don’t have any fears about laughing at murders "

Exactly.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never. "

Definitely. People have been killed for expressing their opinions. I tend to think the violence is worse than expressing opinions.... whichever way round it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never. "

Im not saying it has. However, how can you ever have true free speech if you effectively punish people for saying what they think?

I think discussion of unpleasant views is preferable to driving them out of sight where we can pretend they do t exist.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never.

Im not saying it has. However, how can you ever have true free speech if you effectively punish people for saying what they think?

I think discussion of unpleasant views is preferable to driving them out of sight where we can pretend they do t exist. "

I think the notion of true free speech is at best undesirable and at worst unworkable in a functioning society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never. "

Indeed. Expecting her to not say anything is the only thing against true free speech. "oh she shouldn't have said that" why not?

Nobody should be stopped from saying whatever they like, preventing free speech should never happen. Right or wrong morally, or legally.

However if they so choose to air their opinion on anything they are free to do so, they do so knowing what consequences come of it.

True free speech goes hand in hand with free will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obviously a person of low intelligence...

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

By posting that she's inciting violence and hatred and any decent company would sack her for that as well as being her profession into disrepute.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"She’s a teacher"

It's not a great message from a teacher. The difficulty is though that freedom of speech is one of those things that sets the democratic countries aside from others.

In my opinion her view is disgusting, but she IS entitled to her own view.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Think about what you are saying carefully. Hate speech is illegal.

'Free Speech' is often misquoted and misused. Read up on it for your own benefit.

Now read what I said again carefully.

Illegal or not, she still has the right to say whatever she likes. That is true free speech, not the sugar coated version people like to push around.

With that said, true free speech should also come with consequence. Regardless in what form it comes.

You should face all that comes after you have voiced your opinion. Be it losing your job, being arrested and serving jail time, or just punch to the face.

If there is consequences, then do you have true free speech?

Free speech has never meant freedom from consequences. Never.

Indeed. Expecting her to not say anything is the only thing against true free speech. "oh she shouldn't have said that" why not?

Nobody should be stopped from saying whatever they like, preventing free speech should never happen. Right or wrong morally, or legally.

However if they so choose to air their opinion on anything they are free to do so, they do so knowing what consequences come of it.

True free speech goes hand in hand with free will."

Yes, you're free to say things, but doing so might be a bad idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If she was working for me, she'd be sacked. If she was working with me, I'd want her sacked. If she was working at my children's school, I'd want her sacked. If she was a friend or acquaintance, she'd be blocked from my life. "

This! Absolutely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone I used to work with posted a photo of a special needs school on Facebook and other employees started putting names of colleagues against the pupils. Anyone who commented on the thread that had the company name on their profile got a final written warning, the guy that posted the original picture was sacked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Exactly....and it could be seen as bringing them into disrepute.

However, if she's a dinner lady and not a teacher it's a bit different.

No it doesn't bring the school into disrepute as long as she doesn't mention the school or make it obvious where she works. "

The papers are naming her and the school where she works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life."

Educating in what exactly?

Or is the a soviet style "reducating"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Someone I used to work with posted a photo of a special needs school on Facebook and other employees started putting names of colleagues against the pupils. Anyone who commented on the thread that had the company name on their profile got a final written warning, the guy that posted the original picture was sacked."

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary

Children are malleable. Throwing toxicity into their learning environment... not acceptable

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No she doesn't deserve to be sacked. What she needs is educating.

People tend to be a lot braver on-line than in real life.

Educating in what exactly?

Or is the a soviet style "reducating""

I think it means "taught that being happy about violence inflicted on others is wrong".

I don't think this is a sensitivity training issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"When it was reported by our local Facebook news , people were putting horrid remarks and using the laugh emoji, these people should be brought to task by their employer. A quick click on the people shows where they work and makes you think about using the company they work for . Would you want to buy from a local business where an employee has laughed that 50 people have been murdered ?

People are worried they will get sacked for being on a sex site but don’t have any fears about laughing at murders "

Good point.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If she was working for me, she'd be sacked. If she was working with me, I'd want her sacked. If she was working at my children's school, I'd want her sacked. If she was a friend or acquaintance, she'd be blocked from my life. "

Pretty much this, anyone who takes pleasure out of such a vile atrocity has no place in any education establishment..

Think the race relations act amended in 2000 will cover it if she's a school employee..

Fucks sake, there is reportedly a 3 year old amongst the victims..

Why anyone would take pleasure from such things is sickening..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of jobs she would be sacked for having strong political views like that, especially for bringing whatever company she worked for into disrepute.

When I worked for DWP there were pages and pages of the electronic media policy to sign. Anything like that would have been instant dismissal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know there was a clause in my contract that my activity on social media could be monitored by my employer and if my content was deemed to reflect badly on the company it could result in a disciplinary.

I don't have any social media though so not a problem for me.

Generally though I think people can be a bit stupid on things like Facebook, they seem to think they can say whatever they want without any repercussion. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If everyone that made a stupid or ignorant comment were sacked it would result in the country coming to a stand still.

I'd rather these people not be silenced either. It is much better to be able to challenge them on their views and reveal if they truly believe it or not. Many who leap on to media to say these things are not really fully aware of the full implications of their statements.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

She is an ignorant idiot. ISIS kill more muslims than any other religious group.

I had a friend on FB who felt the need to share a story from Breitbart about militants in Nigeria killing christians.

Her prejudice was being challenged by public sympathy for the NZ victims and she wanted to reset the narrative. Unfriended.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

I don't have any social media though so not a problem for me.

"

You don’t consider this social media? I imagine your employer would.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence."

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say anything without consequence. You do have the right to say things others might find unpalatable but freedom of speech does not include spreading hate.

V x

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I can totally understand her being sacked if it brought bad publicity to her company or they felt it showed she didn't share the companies values. I've seen people who work with children sacked for things they've posted on social media that show they have questionable attitudes. Some people need to be more careful what they say online.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say anything without consequence. You do have the right to say things others might find unpalatable but freedom of speech does not include spreading hate.

V x "

Freedom of speech is to say exactly what you like. That is exactly what it means, however to say what you like also means having the "courage" (I use that word very very loose) of knowing and accepting whatever follows.

You say something hateful, abusive, or vile, then be prepared for whatever comes from it.

True freedom of speech is NOT tied to the human defined version of what we feel should and should not be said. Does not make what they say as right or wrong, good or bad, helpful or hateful but to say whatever you want is freedom of speech. "freedom of speech, unless it upsets somebody" is more accurate in terms of what people revert to when they don't agree with something somebody has said.

Every single person in this world has the right, not privilege but right, to say whatever they feel they want to in whatever manner they want. They do not however get to say what they like without a consequence resulting from it.

I have the right to insult individuals on this forum, its not the moraly good thing to do but I can do it if I want to. If I do, then I will get a ban of some sort. Exactly how it should work, I am removed from the community because it is not within the community's rules.

I should not however be stopped from choosing to use that freedom of speech in the first place - that is freedom of speech.

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By *etite HandfulWoman
over a year ago

Chester


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

I think it was in bad taste of her no matter what her views were.

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By *entakuruMan
over a year ago

Exeter

It's very distasteful but also emotions are running high and people say nasty thing when suffering from shock. Would I fire the woman for this? No. But I would definitely send her on sensitivity training and anger management courses. I'd rather see positive change in a person than just punish them.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say anything without consequence. You do have the right to say things others might find unpalatable but freedom of speech does not include spreading hate.

V x

Freedom of speech is to say exactly what you like. That is exactly what it means, however to say what you like also means having the "courage" (I use that word very very loose) of knowing and accepting whatever follows.

You say something hateful, abusive, or vile, then be prepared for whatever comes from it.

True freedom of speech is NOT tied to the human defined version of what we feel should and should not be said. Does not make what they say as right or wrong, good or bad, helpful or hateful but to say whatever you want is freedom of speech. "freedom of speech, unless it upsets somebody" is more accurate in terms of what people revert to when they don't agree with something somebody has said.

Every single person in this world has the right, not privilege but right, to say whatever they feel they want to in whatever manner they want. They do not however get to say what they like without a consequence resulting from it.

I have the right to insult individuals on this forum, its not the moraly good thing to do but I can do it if I want to. If I do, then I will get a ban of some sort. Exactly how it should work, I am removed from the community because it is not within the community's rules.

I should not however be stopped from choosing to use that freedom of speech in the first place - that is freedom of speech. "

You are not wholly correct. Freedom of speech does not protect a right to incite racial hatred.

V x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is I think comments like that reveal quite a lot about a person.

For example in such a tragedy to be thinking along those lines is not something that would even into my head.

Also I'm not sure where she posted it but if it was on Facebook and she had her company name then a lot of companies have policies regarding people social media conduct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She’s a teacher"

In that case absolutely!

Reason I say that is if I was a parent of a child at a school she taught at I would be disgusted that she would feel that was something that was appropriate to post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sacked for her views or sacked for airing them? Thin end of the wedge in my opinion."

It's a tricky one because I'm all for free speech but there has to be a limit particularly regarding hate speech and things that are aimed at division or justification of a horrific event.

I can see why she was sacked and I believe it was justified in this case. If she works in a school it is unlikely that wouldn't be any children from a Muslim background or Faith so I can see how that would be inappropriate for her to continue working at the school.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

We don't have free speech. I know this argument gets pushed out all the time but we really do not have free speech.

You can think what you like. You can express what you want in the safety of your groups. You can't publish everything you want without consequences, some criminal and some civil.

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

I think some people hate and want to incite hate or gain notoriety. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but no to shout it at others is its defamatory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lot of jobs she would be sacked for having strong political views like that, especially for bringing whatever company she worked for into disrepute.

When I worked for DWP there were pages and pages of the electronic media policy to sign. Anything like that would have been instant dismissal. "

I dont think any company would sack somebody for having strong political views!

Voicing them in such a public way however is completely different.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"We don't have free speech. I know this argument gets pushed out all the time but we really do not have free speech.

You can think what you like. You can express what you want in the safety of your groups. You can't publish everything you want without consequences, some criminal and some civil.

"

You are confusing free speech with an obligation on others to listen, or allow their products to be used

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sacked for her views or sacked for airing them? Thin end of the wedge in my opinion.

It's a tricky one because I'm all for free speech but there has to be a limit particularly regarding hate speech and things that are aimed at division or justification of a horrific event.

I can see why she was sacked and I believe it was justified in this case. If she works in a school it is unlikely that wouldn't be any children from a Muslim background or Faith so I can see how that would be inappropriate for her to continue working at the school. "

But you can’t have free speech if there’s limits to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sacked for her views or sacked for airing them? Thin end of the wedge in my opinion.

It's a tricky one because I'm all for free speech but there has to be a limit particularly regarding hate speech and things that are aimed at division or justification of a horrific event.

I can see why she was sacked and I believe it was justified in this case. If she works in a school it is unlikely that wouldn't be any children from a Muslim background or Faith so I can see how that would be inappropriate for her to continue working at the school.

But you can’t have free speech if there’s limits to it."

Well then there's no such thing as free speech because you have to have limits to prevent hate speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sacked for her views or sacked for airing them? Thin end of the wedge in my opinion.

It's a tricky one because I'm all for free speech but there has to be a limit particularly regarding hate speech and things that are aimed at division or justification of a horrific event.

I can see why she was sacked and I believe it was justified in this case. If she works in a school it is unlikely that wouldn't be any children from a Muslim background or Faith so I can see how that would be inappropriate for her to continue working at the school.

But you can’t have free speech if there’s limits to it.

Well then there's no such thing as free speech because you have to have limits to prevent hate speech. "

Precisely. So the conversation then moves to what type of speech you allow and where. Who decides what’s allowed and what’s not?

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By *eardsandboobsCouple
over a year ago

north of lincoln

Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

We have freedom of expression here, USA has freedom of speech. We also have laws against hate speech.

If that woman had someone die because of a terrorist attack i'd probably show some leniency, otherwise i'd just presume she's another racist knob.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're dumb enough to put something like that on facebook, then yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences. "

But if there are consequences, there is no free speech. You say something I don’t like, you lose your job, home, marriage etc. Well that’s not free is it?

True free speech should be met with counter arguments. Free speech is purely that. Spoken or written words. Nothing more. Acting on those is something different.

So we don’t have free speech, we have moderated speech. In the way of things it’s the best compromise, but let’s be clear, it’s not free speech.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences.

But if there are consequences, there is no free speech. You say something I don’t like, you lose your job, home, marriage etc. Well that’s not free is it?

True free speech should be met with counter arguments. Free speech is purely that. Spoken or written words. Nothing more. Acting on those is something different.

So we don’t have free speech, we have moderated speech. In the way of things it’s the best compromise, but let’s be clear, it’s not free speech.

"

Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job.

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By *eardsandboobsCouple
over a year ago

north of lincoln


"Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences.

But if there are consequences, there is no free speech. You say something I don’t like, you lose your job, home, marriage etc. Well that’s not free is it?

True free speech should be met with counter arguments. Free speech is purely that. Spoken or written words. Nothing more. Acting on those is something different.

So we don’t have free speech, we have moderated speech. In the way of things it’s the best compromise, but let’s be clear, it’s not free speech.

"

In a world where everything is becoming increasingly public, we need to take more responsibility for what we say/do. We need to be better judges on what is harmful, and gauging the difference between not banning someone's right to free speech but also avoiding the promotion of hate speech. Everyone can say what they want, but if you want to promote something that's harmful, then don't be angry if you're shut down by people who don't want to hear it including your work place .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"P.S. Teachers do not have to behave impartially outside of school. "

Yes they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences.

But if there are consequences, there is no free speech. You say something I don’t like, you lose your job, home, marriage etc. Well that’s not free is it?

True free speech should be met with counter arguments. Free speech is purely that. Spoken or written words. Nothing more. Acting on those is something different.

So we don’t have free speech, we have moderated speech. In the way of things it’s the best compromise, but let’s be clear, it’s not free speech.

In a world where everything is becoming increasingly public, we need to take more responsibility for what we say/do. We need to be better judges on what is harmful, and gauging the difference between not banning someone's right to free speech but also avoiding the promotion of hate speech. Everyone can say what they want, but if you want to promote something that's harmful, then don't be angry if you're shut down by people who don't want to hear it including your work place . "

I think you’re missing my point.

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By *eardsandboobsCouple
over a year ago

north of lincoln


"Free speech - say what you want

Hate speech - discriminate, persecute

Free speech is your right but if you offend someone be prepared to face Consequences.

But if there are consequences, there is no free speech. You say something I don’t like, you lose your job, home, marriage etc. Well that’s not free is it?

True free speech should be met with counter arguments. Free speech is purely that. Spoken or written words. Nothing more. Acting on those is something different.

So we don’t have free speech, we have moderated speech. In the way of things it’s the best compromise, but let’s be clear, it’s not free speech.

In a world where everything is becoming increasingly public, we need to take more responsibility for what we say/do. We need to be better judges on what is harmful, and gauging the difference between not banning someone's right to free speech but also avoiding the promotion of hate speech. Everyone can say what they want, but if you want to promote something that's harmful, then don't be angry if you're shut down by people who don't want to hear it including your work place .

I think you’re missing my point. "

I see your point. You say it can’t be free speech if there’s consequences . There’s only consequences for hate speech and where people deliberately go out to cause harm .

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

I think it all depends on the public mood and circumstances.

What she said was totally insensitive and unpleasant, but she didn't call for anyone to be killed or persecuted.

But is seems totally ok for people to call for, say, peadophiles to be hung drawn and quartered without anyone crying "hate speech".

Depends on the current mood de rigeur. Which, of course, it shouldn't!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job."

This really needs to be taught in schools. So many people think that 'freedom of speech' means 'I get to say whatever I want and there shouldn't be any criticism or consequences'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She has the right to her opinion which is fine. I fully support that. Free speech, even if it is hateful.

Her employer has the right to no longer be connected with somebody who has such an opinion. I also fully support this.

Her actions based on her opinion, regardless of free speech should come with some sort of consequence.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say anything without consequence. You do have the right to say things others might find unpalatable but freedom of speech does not include spreading hate.

V x

Freedom of speech is to say exactly what you like. That is exactly what it means, however to say what you like also means having the "courage" (I use that word very very loose) of knowing and accepting whatever follows.

You say something hateful, abusive, or vile, then be prepared for whatever comes from it.

True freedom of speech is NOT tied to the human defined version of what we feel should and should not be said. Does not make what they say as right or wrong, good or bad, helpful or hateful but to say whatever you want is freedom of speech. "freedom of speech, unless it upsets somebody" is more accurate in terms of what people revert to when they don't agree with something somebody has said.

Every single person in this world has the right, not privilege but right, to say whatever they feel they want to in whatever manner they want. They do not however get to say what they like without a consequence resulting from it.

I have the right to insult individuals on this forum, its not the moraly good thing to do but I can do it if I want to. If I do, then I will get a ban of some sort. Exactly how it should work, I am removed from the community because it is not within the community's rules.

I should not however be stopped from choosing to use that freedom of speech in the first place - that is freedom of speech.

You are not wholly correct. Freedom of speech does not protect a right to incite racial hatred.

V x "

In the uk no in the usa it does.

The usa has no hate crime etc its only direct calls to violence that are wrong.

Unlike the uk where posting snoop dogg lyrics om face book cam end in a custodial sentence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job.

This really needs to be taught in schools. So many people think that 'freedom of speech' means 'I get to say whatever I want and there shouldn't be any criticism or consequences'. "

So as a school teacher under a public authority she is protected yes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job.

This really needs to be taught in schools. So many people think that 'freedom of speech' means 'I get to say whatever I want and there shouldn't be any criticism or consequences'. "

So as a school teacher under a public authority she is protected yes?

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary


"

Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job.

This really needs to be taught in schools. So many people think that 'freedom of speech' means 'I get to say whatever I want and there shouldn't be any criticism or consequences'.

So as a school teacher under a public authority she is protected yes?"

No as it directly contradicts safeguarding policy from my perspective. If your child doesn’t conform to her supremacy for lack of a better word then given her lesser value on other ethnicities it’s suggestive that the level of care and safety would not be that of an english child per say. Ergo it’s to the contrary

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary

Per se* autocorrect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Freedom of speech just protects you from interference from public authorities. It has never meant freedom from consequence and it would be impossible for it to do so not only without restricting other people's rights but also it would just be ludicrous. If I say I think Apple products are stupid while interviewing for a job at Apple then the likely consequence is that I won't get the job.

This really needs to be taught in schools. So many people think that 'freedom of speech' means 'I get to say whatever I want and there shouldn't be any criticism or consequences'.

So as a school teacher under a public authority she is protected yes?

No as it directly contradicts safeguarding policy from my perspective. If your child doesn’t conform to her supremacy for lack of a better word then given her lesser value on other ethnicities it’s suggestive that the level of care and safety would not be that of an english child per say. Ergo it’s to the contrary "

Woah you're making a lot of assumptions there.

She never mentioned amything abput supremacy she said nothing that wouldnt have been out of place in the uk during any of our wars when a strike hit our enemies.

She said shoes on the other foot not "white peopel are better than brown"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also presumably in your judgement of her as racist she would look down on the english child

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary

Valuing one life above another based on race but isn’t a supremacist. Do elaborate

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

With facebook ..twitter all banning tommy robinson..the bbc coving up 40yrs of pedos..the government stabbing 17.4 million in the back..

It would seem ..free speech is dead ..you can no longer love your country without being labeled rasist..or lefty../ righty..

First rule of war......divided. black v white..Muslim v Christian. .man v women. .then ...concur...dont listen to the ppl ..and crush those that appose.

Just saying..

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

With facebook ..twitter all banning tommy robinson..the bbc coving up 40yrs of pedos..the government stabbing 17.4 million in the back..

It would seem ..free speech is dead ..you can no longer love your country without being labeled rasist..or lefty../ righty..

First rule of war......divided. black v white..Muslim v Christian. .man v women. .then ...concur...dont listen to the ppl ..and crush those that appose.

Just saying.. "

There’s distinct differences between being a racist and having strong “left” or “right” views but I’ll tell you the most important difference and it’s understanding. To put it into context, being understanding means you can comprehend that the world isn’t black and white. Nor doesn’t the actions of a few apply to many.

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

With facebook ..twitter all banning tommy robinson..the bbc coving up 40yrs of pedos..the government stabbing 17.4 million in the back..

It would seem ..free speech is dead ..you can no longer love your country without being labeled rasist..or lefty../ righty..

First rule of war......divided. black v white..Muslim v Christian. .man v women. .then ...concur...dont listen to the ppl ..and crush those that appose.

Just saying..

There’s distinct differences between being a racist and having strong “left” or “right” views but I’ll tell you the most important difference and it’s understanding. To put it into context, being understanding means you can comprehend that the world isn’t black and white. Nor doesn’t the actions of a few apply to many."

Or the many to the few..

Ppl get controlled in many way..

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary

One of those ways being a lack of proper education and limited intelligence

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

Depends on her job.

As a former case worker for a trade union I've represented people who've lost their jobs over racist/sexist/homophobic messages shared on social media. If you work for the police, border force etc "free speech" has consequences.

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent


"One of those ways being a lack of proper education and limited intelligence "

Yep some just have there head up there arse..

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

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"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?

She is saying what alot of people would say in private. But, would not say in public?

Really ? Then a lot of people are ignorant racists.

Muslim does not = terrorist. Asking someone of a different race if they 'like being on the receiving end' ... implies that they have dished out that sort of punishment to non muslims.

That's just blatant racism. End of. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Shamima Begum made similar comments about the attack at Ariana Grande's concert, being fair because of children being killed in attacks in Syria.

She was slated for it by many people who would agree with the woman described in the OP.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Shamima Begum made similar comments about the attack at Ariana Grande's concert, being fair because of children being killed in attacks in Syria.

She was slated for it by many people who would agree with the woman described in the OP. "

Yep. I doubt this surprises you though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sacked for expressing an opinion?... that’d be NZ all over!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt it's a sackable offence, but imagine that she will be reprimanded for the possibility of bringing the school into disrepute.

B

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

No.

On the other websight I talk to a few harsh talking Vietnam veterans.

They mentioned "what goes arround comes arround"

And I stick my neck out to say how I don't agree with terrorism against anyone.

I won't call for the harsh talking right wing marine to be punished by the websight.

If Islamists want to keep provoking the west and sadiq Khan describes it as "a fact of life"

Then I will just watch the shit show unfold.

I really disagreed with the mosque shooting and think the guy is evil.

But you keep getting Muslims smacking gun owning exmilatary patriots in the face ...

People who have killed before and are well trained in former life...

I'm not stepping in!

Keep throwing stones at the patriots. Keep p rovokeing them and bombing their countries.

This will just inevitably happen.

I'm not justifying it!

Muslims need to do more to renounce terrorism and join our team.

If they keep pissing off right wing patriots/former military gun owning bible belters

What do they expect?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shamima Begum made similar comments about the attack at Ariana Grande's concert, being fair because of children being killed in attacks in Syria.

She was slated for it by many people who would agree with the woman described in the OP. "

She needs to be hung up.

Those aren't her children! They are the neighbours children!

I am from rochdale! I know every single trick! I know them too well...It's too easy for me to pull apart the bullshit but if you haven't dealt with them enough you fall for all the "Taqiya"

It's all bullshit. Very easy for them to get what they want from liberals and leftys (e.g. teenagers with aspd in state school)

Very easy....she sees Britain as a week country she can manipulate. Anyone who feels sorry for her is a fool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was using hate speech, in support of terrorism, in the UK that is a criminal offence. So she should be jailed. Losing her job is the least of it really.

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By *appytrailmanMan
over a year ago

Manchester

For me as long as her views dont impact on her job she should not be sacked I personally think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Erm. The attacker was home grown. In fact he was born here under a Tory government in 1994."

I don't consider them british

They don't consider themselves british

The only people who do are left wing minded fools

He already returned from fighting in libya

You welcomed him with open arms and considered him"british"

The bigger problem than the terrorists is people with your mentality.

I wash my hands of anything to do with this.

It's all people like you who are responsible and have the blood on your hands.

I've lived in Rochdale most of my life....

I KEEP REPEATING

I'VE LIVED IN ROCHDALE MOST OF MY LIFE

I KNOW THE REALITY

I MOVED ABROAD FOR A WHILE AND I WILL GO BACK ABROAD

YOU BRING THIS TERRORISM ON YOURSELVES

YOU DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER

YOU WATCH BBC PROPOGANDA AND YOU REPEAT IT

YOUR DESTROYING YOUR OWN NATION/CULTURE BEYOND REPAIRE

THIS IS ALL NORMAL NOW

YOUR ALL PACIFISTS AND "FAINTING GOATS"

YOUR JUST WILLING VICTIMS AND YOU DON'T EVEN DEFEND YOUR OWN CHILDREN FROM GROOMING/SUICODE BOMBERS

Or you sit in a nice all white neighbourhood and let other people deal with the problem.

Keep loving your Islamists. Keep being a sheep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Erm. The attacker was home grown. In fact he was born here under a Tory government in 1994.

I don't consider them british

They don't consider themselves british

The only people who do are left wing minded fools

He already returned from fighting in libya

You welcomed him with open arms and considered him"british"

The bigger problem than the terrorists is people with your mentality.

I wash my hands of anything to do with this.

It's all people like you who are responsible and have the blood on your hands.

I've lived in Rochdale most of my life....

I KEEP REPEATING

I'VE LIVED IN ROCHDALE MOST OF MY LIFE

I KNOW THE REALITY

I MOVED ABROAD FOR A WHILE AND I WILL GO BACK ABROAD

YOU BRING THIS TERRORISM ON YOURSELVES

YOU DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER

YOU WATCH BBC PROPOGANDA AND YOU REPEAT IT

YOUR DESTROYING YOUR OWN NATION/CULTURE BEYOND REPAIRE

THIS IS ALL NORMAL NOW

YOUR ALL PACIFISTS AND "FAINTING GOATS"

YOUR JUST WILLING VICTIMS AND YOU DON'T EVEN DEFEND YOUR OWN CHILDREN FROM GROOMING/SUICODE BOMBERS

Or you sit in a nice all white neighbourhood and let other people deal with the problem.

Keep loving your Islamists. Keep being a sheep"

I’m sensing you’re struggling to get meets on this site.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or you sit in a nice all white neighbourhood and let other people deal with the problem.

Keep loving your Islamists. Keep being a sheep"

So are you saying that all white people are good, and everyone else is bad? because I know some really bad white people, also some really bad Christians, and don't get me started on the other religions...

Also know some really good people from many of the different cultures and ethnicity groups.

Individuals can be aresholes, individuals with a perceived cause or grievenvce can be the worst. Especially when led on by venom spouting extreamists.

The rational amongst us are thankfully in the majority though.

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent

Check the web..122 islamic attacks buy muslims happen in last few days over 800 people killed over 800 injuries. ..but the "news " dont tell u that...seek and tho shall find....the truth that is....divide and concur. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Check the web..122 islamic attacks buy muslims happen in last few days over 800 people killed over 800 injuries. ..but the "news " dont tell u that...seek and tho shall find....the truth that is....divide and concur. ."

Where? I don't believe there were 122 terrorist attacks in last few days, if you have a legitimate source name it.

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By *ookingforfun9970Man
over a year ago

nearby


"Woman posted on Facebook about the recent New Zealand attack where 50 people died and many were injured.

She posted "Oh how the tables have turned, how does it feel being on the receiving end" beneath an article about the shooting.

There are calls for her to be sacked. What do you think?"

Am I right to say as a employer you can sack a employee for bringing your company/business into disrepute? If that’s wrong then I strongly believe it should come into affect

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By *ookingforfun9970Man
over a year ago

nearby


"Check the web..122 islamic attacks buy muslims happen in last few days over 800 people killed over 800 injuries. ..but the "news " dont tell u that...seek and tho shall find....the truth that is....divide and concur. ."

Someone been reading the daily mail ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many people here will be able to remember the famous "gotcha!" Headline. Wheres that come in on the scale

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

Free speech.

I hate this idea that you can't say what you think any more and you have to triple guess whether it's politically correct.

I don't agree with her but i support the internet being the one place that you can still say what you actually think, rather than what you think is currently trendy to think.

I think the whole concept of hate speech and censoring the internet is dangerous ground. There are so many things that it seems to be assumed shouldn't be posted, shouldn't be accessible and i often don't understand why.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Free speech, when it's hate speech, encourages this behaviour to be seen as normal amongst those who agree.

I completely agree wih people being censored or punished for encouraging racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech.

I hate this idea that you can't say what you think any more and you have to triple guess whether it's politically correct.

I don't agree with her but i support the internet being the one place that you can still say what you actually think, rather than what you think is currently trendy to think.

I think the whole concept of hate speech and censoring the internet is dangerous ground. There are so many things that it seems to be assumed shouldn't be posted, shouldn't be accessible and i often don't understand why."

I know where you are coming from, but the OP was about a person supporting the cold blooded murder of innocent people, which should be discouraged by civilised people.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban


"

I know where you are coming from, but the OP was about a person supporting the cold blooded murder of innocent people, which should be discouraged by civilised people."

Interesting. I guess its about the interpretation of the nuances of language. I didn't read the original comment in that way.

I know that, unfortunately, we don't actually have true freedom of speech, as someone invented the concept of hate speech which, for me, creates a worrying grey area. One person's hate speech is another's legitimate political/comedic/sociological comment. As someone who is generally leftwing, I hate the term snowflake but it does often seem people are just too easily offended and don't seem to realise that being offended is part of living in a free society.

I'm not on facebook, I generally don't post on social media so maybe I'm just naive but most of the things ive seen that people call hate speech, I just see as the rantings of idiots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech.

I hate this idea that you can't say what you think any more and you have to triple guess whether it's politically correct.

I don't agree with her but i support the internet being the one place that you can still say what you actually think, rather than what you think is currently trendy to think.

I think the whole concept of hate speech and censoring the internet is dangerous ground. There are so many things that it seems to be assumed shouldn't be posted, shouldn't be accessible and i often don't understand why.

I know where you are coming from, but the OP was about a person supporting the cold blooded murder of innocent people, which should be discouraged by civilised people."

Don't watch the Dam busters film then whatever you do....

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban


"Free speech, when it's hate speech, encourages this behaviour to be seen as normal amongst those who agree.

I completely agree wih people being censored or punished for encouraging racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc."

Thought police?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech, when it's hate speech, encourages this behaviour to be seen as normal amongst those who agree.

I completely agree wih people being censored or punished for encouraging racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc."

Interesting, so your proposing an outright ban on islam, christianity and Judaism. And the destruction or censorship of all bibles korans and torahs?

Does that not seem a bit theophobic or whatever the correct ism is for religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about feminist acedemia should that be censored?

After all a english translation of a chapter of hitlers mien kampf with the subject changed from Jews to white males was published ina. Peer reviewed feminist journal.

And lauded for its academic merit and content.

Are we now at a stage where we are objectivly ok with hitlers messages so long as the group targeted is the current trendy target?

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