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Barebackers v anti-vaxers

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Who are the most irresponsible and biggest risk to society?

Disclaimer - I am not talking about unprotected sex with trusted partners, but 'cream pie' hook ups and all that jazz/jizz.

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds

Anti vaxxers definitely, as as those diseases you don’t have to get jiggy to catch and spread very easily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

People who don't do safe sex ..eek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti vaxxers. Their choices can be inflicted on those too young or immunocompromised for vaccinations.

Barebacking is an active choice to take a risk with your own health.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

At the risk of sounding naive and green ... what is an anti-vaxer?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Do we need a Harry Hill style "FIGHT!" to resolve it?

I lean towards anti-vaxers as they're imposing their choices on children, but equally there's a certain level of ignorance and pseudo-science involved in that decision.

Barebacking there's no defending as the risks are well known and it's a personal choice (except when you cheat on a partner and give them a nasty present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say both are bad in their own way.

Barebackers risk causing unplanned pregnancies and spread of STIs.

Anti-vaxxers risk losing loved ones to curable diseases because of their ignorance and bullshit stories about vaccines causing autism. This bullshit story offends me as I have Asperger's and we all know that it is not caused by vaccines as it is a neurological condition.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Now I know ... both as bad as each other but for different reasons

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds

To clarify ,random barebacking is obviously risky and advisable to avoid.

Anti vaxxers are exposing the vulnerable to easily preventable but dangerous diseases without their knowledge.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Anti vaxxers. Their choices can be inflicted on those too young or immunocompromised for vaccinations.

Barebacking is an active choice to take a risk with your own health."

Exactly what I was going to say

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Anti vaxxers. Their choices can be inflicted on those too young or immunocompromised for vaccinations.

Barebacking is an active choice to take a risk with your own health.

Exactly what I was going to say "

Except when it's not your choice as your cheating partner have you something. Particularly devastating when pregnant

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

*gave

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

My daughter contracted rubella at 10 months old. Anti vaxxers risk other people's lives. Bare backers are consenting adults who can make their own poor choices.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Anti vaxers 100%.

In order for treatable diseases to become prevalent it only takes a relatively small drop in % to not be vaccinated for these diseases to become rife and mutate past the point at which standard vaccines are effective. We're already near that point so anti vaxers put *everyone's* child at potential risk.

Barebackers are just making calculated risks with their own health.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

I'm a healthcare professional and i've done a lot of research into the matter and "anti-vaxxers" actually have very valid points regarding a host of different vaccinations.

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right.

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon


"I'm a healthcare professional and i've done a lot of research into the matter and "anti-vaxxers" actually have very valid points regarding a host of different vaccinations.

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right."

Name the valid points please

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds


"I'm a healthcare professional and i've done a lot of research into the matter and "anti-vaxxers" actually have very valid points regarding a host of different vaccinations.

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right."

The World Health Organisation has listed anti vaccination as one of the top ten global health threats , so there is a basis to people’s fears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have some friends who are vegan and animal rights activists. It "went against" their principles to have the MMR vaccination for their kids. However, when one of the kids caught measles, they really regretted their decision, watching their son suffer. I must vote for the anti-vaxxers being the worst of the two choices.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I have to say anti vaxers.

Barebackers are only risking the health of their sexual partners.

Antivaxers are risking the health of many many people. Herd immunity is what protects those who for certain health reasons may not be able to be vaccinated. Antivaxers reduce herd immunity and contribute to the spread of preventable disease that kills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At the risk of sounding naive and green ... what is an anti-vaxer?"

Glad it wasn’t just me .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At the risk of sounding naive and green ... what is an anti-vaxer?

Glad it wasn’t just me . "

Those who are anti-vaccines and won’t get their children vaccinated

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"I'm a healthcare professional and i've done a lot of research into the matter and "anti-vaxxers" actually have very valid points regarding a host of different vaccinations.

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right.

The World Health Organisation has listed anti vaccination as one of the top ten global health threats , so there is a basis to people’s fears. "

I don't have such lofty references, I watched John Oliver cover it last year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At the risk of sounding naive and green ... what is an anti-vaxer?

Glad it wasn’t just me .

Those who are anti-vaccines and won’t get their children vaccinated "

Ahhh. No I think it’s choice. One of the biggest decisions we had to make was whether to let our daughter have the MMR as she already had special need issues. We nearly didn’t. And I remember my parents saying the same about the whooping cough one when we were children as there were risks with that one. Same with the flu jab. Each time I’ve had it I’ve been ill so I refuse to have it now. My children have it though and are fine. It’s personal choice, especially when there are risks to outweigh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a healthcare professional

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right."

Hey I'm a healthcare professional too ...also read/done alot of research...and would have to disagree with you that anti vaxxers aren't a threat...The stats clearly show a rise ..2017 measles had 230 cases (approx) in 2018 it was just over 900 cases (citing WHO)

Their ignorance is dangerous

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

How on earth can you compare these 2 personal choices in any way? They are a million miles away from each other surely

I’d not envy a new parent making the choice to have a child vaccinated or not it’s scary as hell my best friends child’s has a terrible life that could possibly be due to child vaccinations and every parent will need to make the choice one way or the other.

Barebacking with random strangers is a personal choice and a gamble that you have to take every time you do it, you can just put on a rubber and minimise the risks or just have bareback with a partner, the need for a strangers sperm can’t surely be worth the risks

I just see a minging fanny and a dirty cock tbh so that’s a simple choice surely to keep your self healthy

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds


"I'm a healthcare professional and i've done a lot of research into the matter and "anti-vaxxers" actually have very valid points regarding a host of different vaccinations.

Labeling them as a threat to society smacks of ignorance and is frankly dangerous in its own right.

The World Health Organisation has listed anti vaccination as one of the top ten global health threats , so there is a basis to people’s fears.

I don't have such lofty references, I watched John Oliver cover it last year "

(Whispers) I googled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How on earth can you compare these 2 personal choices in any way? They are a million miles away from each other surely

I’d not envy a new parent making the choice to have a child vaccinated or not it’s scary as hell my best friends child’s has a terrible life that could possibly be due to child vaccinations and every parent will need to make the choice one way or the other.

Barebacking with random strangers is a personal choice and a gamble that you have to take every time you do it, you can just put on a rubber and minimise the risks or just have bareback with a partner, the need for a strangers sperm can’t surely be worth the risks

I just see a minging fanny and a dirty cock tbh so that’s a simple choice surely to keep your self healthy "

I thought it was a bit of an odd comparison tbf that’s why I didn’t understand what it meant at first! Thought is must be some sexual act!

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"How on earth can you compare these 2 personal choices in any way? They are a million miles away from each other surely

I’d not envy a new parent making the choice to have a child vaccinated or not it’s scary as hell my best friends child’s has a terrible life that could possibly be due to child vaccinations and every parent will need to make the choice one way or the other.

Barebacking with random strangers is a personal choice and a gamble that you have to take every time you do it, you can just put on a rubber and minimise the risks or just have bareback with a partner, the need for a strangers sperm can’t surely be worth the risks

I just see a minging fanny and a dirty cock tbh so that’s a simple choice surely to keep your self healthy

I thought it was a bit of an odd comparison tbf that’s why I didn’t understand what it meant at first! Thought is must be some sexual act!"

Yeah ... me too which is why I stuck head above parapet and asked

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By *inkykel2000Couple
over a year ago

Here & there...

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By *eviant KnightMan
over a year ago

Norton

I would be ecstatic if all anti vaxers could just live on their own island somewhere and didn't infect the rest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a difference between people who research the vaccines because of specific reasons - a child having a reaction to previous vaccinations, family history etc - and an anti-vaxxer IMO.

I strongly disagree with the “everything is fine - there’s no danger in vaccines” line that’s often given because when on the remote occasions it goes wrong it fuels the “see they lied” camp.

Anti-vaxxers who staunchly believe that all vaccines are bad, that they cause autism and that they are a conspiracy are a growing danger.

Parents who are understandably nervous need to be given actual facts. Especially now when measles and the likes is so rare that nobody knows someone like my gr-gran who lost 6 of her 12 kids to measles. Actual information should be given so that people can make the choices with proper information rather than the minefield of google.

That’s the way to reduce the harm of the hard line anti vax groups imo.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

I must admit my son was due MMR right at the time the stories were at their height ... so we didn't let him have it ... BUT ...

We did ensure he had the 3 individual vaccines at a private clinic

It's very easy for a parent to hear stories and not want to take the risk

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By *heshire DilfMan
over a year ago

Cheshire

Not immunising your children is tantamount to child abuse.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

I'm not anti vaccinations, but I also take the absolute assurances that they're harmless with a pinch of salt.

How long did it take the manufacturer of thaldomide to accept their drug caused the horrendous issues it caused??

Even if any vaccinations DID cause problems, I don't see any of the manufacturers admitting it in a hurry. Could be 30 years before that happens....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There should never be an absolute assurance that a vaccine won’t cause damage. There wouldn’t be a vaccine damage compensation fund if that was the case.

That stance (and this is something I argue in work al the time) allows the hard line anti vax groups to undermine faith in the actual figures.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Some interesting relies. I was curious about the perception of 2 very different public health risks.

It could be said that anti-vaxers believe they're doing the right thing, so they're not as 'bad' despite the monumental risks from reducing herd immunity. Where barebackers could be perceieved as making a judgement on the risks of their health and affect fewer people - but possibly seen as worse as they take all those chances purely for the thrill

Surprised that nobody brought up consent and other people who are put at risk via cheating partners etc. I mentioned this as I remmeber being horrified when tested during my first pregnancy - I had no idea that certain STIs contracted during pregnancy can cause foetal blindness and even miscarriage. The fact that people will still do that is terrifying.

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

Both are misguided lets be honest neither are good paths to follow neither are thinking about the bigger picture I don't think you can justify one by castigating the other that's just small mined in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both, just spin the russian roulette wheel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are a difference between people who research the vaccines because of specific reasons - a child having a reaction to previous vaccinations, family history etc - and an anti-vaxxer IMO.

I strongly disagree with the “everything is fine - there’s no danger in vaccines” line that’s often given because when on the remote occasions it goes wrong it fuels the “see they lied” camp.

Anti-vaxxers who staunchly believe that all vaccines are bad, that they cause autism and that they are a conspiracy are a growing danger.

Parents who are understandably nervous need to be given actual facts. Especially now when measles and the likes is so rare that nobody knows someone like my gr-gran who lost 6 of her 12 kids to measles. Actual information should be given so that people can make the choices with proper information rather than the minefield of google.

That’s the way to reduce the harm of the hard line anti vax groups imo. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not anti vaccinations, but I also take the absolute assurances that they're harmless with a pinch of salt.

How long did it take the manufacturer of thaldomide to accept their drug caused the horrendous issues it caused??

Even if any vaccinations DID cause problems, I don't see any of the manufacturers admitting it in a hurry. Could be 30 years before that happens...."

Fair point.

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