FabSwingers.com forum: I support mickael jasckon

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certainly not

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By *acktar74Man
over a year ago

leeds

No way

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

I don’t support any grown man that sleeps with children in his own bed hundreds of nights, several children. It’s a bit weird. It’s not different because he’s a celebrity it’s just as odd as if it’s your neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genius as a musical perspective goes, but something very dodgy about him so No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucked up freak who's music I never really liked. He's not missed.

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By *ildjianMan
over a year ago

London

Certainly not.

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By *rkeb3Man
over a year ago

east Lancashire road

Big fan here too n will always support the king of hip hop

Don't bleive all the connsperciy theory they tried while he was alive n there was no evidence n he was quited end of discussion

Now they made film n making money out of his name n that's the only way to convince people Cose people cry over films so do I

But I don't bleive all the bullshit now no one even know who the fuck these morons are honestly

Having saying that I am not saying it's okay to sleep or abuse kids before u come after me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently, 45 minutes was cut from the UK version of this mockumentary - because several errors and discrepencies had been picked up on. Even more has apparently been cut from versions still to air.

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

Yet a sensationalist 'film' is put out that is designed to portray a particular point of view, presents no actual evidence about a man who can not defend himself due to having been dead for ten years and scores of people believe it.

Despite the fact that his accusers have a dismal record on credibility, testified under oath at his trial in his defence, (Wade Robson was, at the time, allegedly having an affair with Britney Spears causing the break up between her and the Trousersnake), failed in efforts to earn money off of him for years after his death, have unsuccessfully sued his estate and expect people to believe them.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges.

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By *oastal1968Man
over a year ago

London

Do you also support Gary Glitter and play his songs too?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Nah he was always a little suspect while alive.

I don’t think people should be chastised for still liking or playing his music though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will never know whether or not the accusations are true but I still find it possible to enjoy his artistic output without referring to his private life (much the same for Woody Allen)

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Do you also support Gary Glitter and play his songs too? "

I'd rather listen to glitter to be honest.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I'm not a supporter of him, I stepped back a bit when he started being weird. Like holding babies over balconies.

My favourite songs of his are Dirty Di and Will you be there.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"Do you also support Gary Glitter and play his songs too? "
glitter was found guilty and op mite not be a glitter fan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dirty pervert who should have gone to jail..

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By *oastal1968Man
over a year ago

London

"Do you also support Gary Glitter and play his songs too?

I'd rather listen to glitter to be honest. "

Do you wanna be in my gang?

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

"Apparently, 45 minutes was cut from the UK version of this mockumentary - because several errors and discrepencies had been picked up on. Even more has apparently been cut from versions still to air.

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges."

I agree ref the perjury charges

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges."
I have to agree with you. He was a very talented music performer, and should be remembered as one of the all time greats in the music industry. Along with Elvis.

Over the years more and more people are coming out of the woodwork making false claims, for personal financial gain and notoriety.

In my book, a person is innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. And not prejudged by assumer's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges.I have to agree with you. He was a very talented music performer, and should be remembered as one of the all time greats in the music industry. Along with Elvis.

Over the years more and more people are coming out of the woodwork making false claims, for personal financial gain and notoriety.

In my book, a person is innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. And not prejudged by assumer's "

You've just prejudged people making 'false claims' when you've no idea how true they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'll have the pitch forks out for Elvis next he was 24 when he met 14 year old prescilla.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They'll have the pitch forks out for Elvis next he was 24 when he met 14 year old prescilla.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is something a bit creepy of people who back someone just because they want to listen to a pedophiles music guilt free no doubt sat listening in gary glittersque costumes with a jim will fix it badge round their neck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is something a bit creepy of people who back someone just because they want to listen to a pedophiles music guilt free no doubt sat listening in gary glittersque costumes with a jim will fix it badge round their neck

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with 70s Top of the Pops on the TV

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I feel really sorry for those poor guys in the documentary and deserve the hundreds of thousands they must have made selling their story.

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

i thought this thread was gonna be about a jackson tribute act from poland....mickael jasckon

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I was eleven when I first heard Gary Glitter , and his was the first ever single I bought . I feel lucky to have had the next five years hearing and seeing Bowie , The Sweet , Marc Bolan , etc...define glam rock .

We all remember moments in our lives and for me Glitter was a part of those memories , and I still listen to his music . The beat from two sets of drums , the rhythm , the bass , and everything that helped create the genre . And not for one moment do I try to justify it and listen guilt free . I’m fucking angry he did what he did , so angry . But am I going to let him ruin my childhood memories . No I’m not , he doesn’t deserve to be allowed to do that .

As for MJ , nothing has been proven and like GG he is a major part of the musical memories for so many people . Why shouldn’t they be allowed to enjoy his music without being judged . I doubt anyone listens to either of them to celebrate the fact that they are and may be paedos

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"I was eleven when I first heard Gary Glitter , and his was the first ever single I bought . I feel lucky to have had the next five years hearing and seeing Bowie , The Sweet , Marc Bolan , etc...define glam rock .

No court case over Jimmy Saville so is he still ok?

People supporting Jackson are doubting the abused boys testament are they not?

No I don't think its a bad thing to avoid or block people who back a pedofile if people want to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges."

He was acquitted on a technicallity, since he is dead and his estate cannot be tried for that kind of crime. It means nothing one way or the other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wanna point out that the "But his supposed victims testified in his defence crowd" that's exactly how abuse works.

When you brainwash a young child into believing that what's happening is normal, no shit you are going to defend the abuser.

I saw a kid in an interview, whilst sat next to jackson, say that he didn't want to sleep in his bed with him, but the kid said 'Jackson said if you love me you'll do it' or words to that affect. Then 5 seconds later jackson is saying 'All kids want to sleep with me, they love me, nobody ever objected' as if he didn't literally just hear a kid say he was coerced.

The man is a sick freak and it's honesly sad seeing so many people defend him just because of his music.

Also an interesting paralel - R Kelly is undergoing the same sort of thing for his alleged abuses, nobody is there defending him for his abuse, alas he wasn't the 'king of pop'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not in favour of banning music or books or films.

Should Woody Allen and his films be banned?

How about the book lolita or the Sting song don't stand so close to me.

Was Elvis grooming a 14 year old should his music be banned??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why come out now with all these accusations years later?

Nobody will know the categorical truth however, these guys have not done badly out of their associations with Michael Jackson that's for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paedophile weirdo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why come out now with all these accusations years later?

Nobody will know the categorical truth however, these guys have not done badly out of their associations with Michael Jackson that's for sure."

Not done badly????

Being 7 years old and having an adults cock shoved in your mouth not done badly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every time I see MJ grab his crotch makes me feel sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like his music.

Never have. Never will. Irrespective of what he has/hasn't done in the past.

As people have stated earlier there are some pretty unsavoury goings on that are alleged to have happened with others in the music industry.

There is always the risk that those who act a little strange are accused of strange behaviours. However I'm sure Cliff Richard would agree that a trial by jury is far better than trial by media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We still listen to the Rolling Stones (Bill Wyman?), Jerry Lee Lewis and many of the old blues stars.

We look at Caravaggio's paintings and Charlie Chaplin's films.

Sometimes you have to separate the art from the artist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all. His musical talent has been 100% undetermined by the systematic child abuse he knowingly inflicted. It's impossible now to listen to his music or watch his videos without thinking about this.

What is it you support OP?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Not at all. His musical talent has been 100% undetermined by the systematic child abuse he knowingly inflicted. It's impossible now to listen to his music or watch his videos without thinking about this.

What is it you support OP? "
No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Genius as a musical perspective goes, but something very dodgy about him so No"

This

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Can I support a "supposedly" kiddie Fiddler? ...No, I like one or two of his song and I always will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The music will outlive the hatchet job that was that 'documentary'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is it you support OP? "

Bit Dirty Diana though, what a tune

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i thought this thread was gonna be about a jackson tribute act from poland....mickael jasckon

I think I've wet myself laughing!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What is it you support OP? No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty. "
That is right, he is still innocent, cos there is nothing on him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mcaly culkin got really upset about this.

If you look at his Twitter he is outing all the Hollywood sex offenders in a rage.

He denys micheal Jackson was a peado (I'm open minded)

But he is calling out other people in Hollywood.

There is an actual American "yew tree" investigation finding networks in usa.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

What is it you support OP? No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty. That is right, he is still innocent, cos there is nothing on him

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People don't seem aware of the law on here. He was a weird character and did weird things but that doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty. You need substantial evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why come out now with all these accusations years later?

Nobody will know the categorical truth however, these guys have not done badly out of their associations with Michael Jackson that's for sure."
That is right, it is the recent #metoo campaign that is doing the celebrity man hunting and is only after his money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched Leaving Neverland last night. The distress shown by Wade and James and the similarities in their narrative when describing the abuse, leaves me in no doubt that this happened.

Given Michael Jackson's childhood, (or lack of childhood), he was always going to be a damaged human being. However, to pit children against each other for his abusive affections is the act of a complete sociopath and I think both of those boys were suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

So no, I certainly won't be listening to his music.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Why come out now with all these accusations years later?

Nobody will know the categorical truth however, these guys have not done badly out of their associations with Michael Jackson that's for sure.That is right, it is the recent #metoo campaign that is doing the celebrity man hunting and is only after his money."
Just like that supreme court judge in America Kavanaugh. Woman admitted she lied. His reputation was being torn to shreds and he is an innocent man.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"I watched Leaving Neverland last night. The distress shown by Wade and James and the similarities in their narrative when describing the abuse, leaves me in no doubt that this happened.

So no, I certainly won't be listening to his music."
They are both actors or have some training in it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What is it you support OP? No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty. That is right, he is still innocent, cos there is nothing on him

People don't seem aware of the law on here. He was a weird character and did weird things but that doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty. You need substantial evidence."
That is right many dont know that, it is the media that have purposely betrayed him this way cos with fame comes jelousy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why come out now with all these accusations years later?

Nobody will know the categorical truth however, these guys have not done badly out of their associations with Michael Jackson that's for sure.That is right, it is the recent #metoo campaign that is doing the celebrity man hunting and is only after his money. Just like that supreme court judge in America Kavanaugh. Woman admitted she lied. His reputation was being torn to shreds and he is an innocent man."
That is right, just like that

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

What is it you support OP? No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty. That is right, he is still innocent, cos there is nothing on him

People don't seem aware of the law on here. He was a weird character and did weird things but that doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty. You need substantial evidence.That is right many dont know that, it is the media that have purposely betrayed him this way cos with fame comes jelousy."
Because it sells papers or TV shows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"I watched Leaving Neverland last night. The distress shown by Wade and James and the similarities in their narrative when describing the abuse, leaves me in no doubt that this happened.

So no, I certainly won't be listening to his music. They are both actors or have some training in it.

Take off your blinkers please."
I don't whether he is guilty like you don't know whether he is innocent. You can't be sure of some guys with a vested interest in him being guilty with no actual evidence just their account.

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By *hatsmynameagainCouple
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I watched Leaving Neverland last night.

Tbh im not convinced one way or another by the film but one thing that did strike me is he was always hanging out with little boys. Also what kind of grown man sleeps in the same bed as little boys.

He prob did do it, seems just the type of weirdo that would.

Think to many of his fans refuse to believe the claims simply because they are a fan of his music.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What is it you support OP? No evidence of that you know. Innocent till proven guilty. That is right, he is still innocent, cos there is nothing on him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched Leaving Neverland last night. The distress shown by Wade and James and the similarities in their narrative when describing the abuse, leaves me in no doubt that this happened.

So no, I certainly won't be listening to his music. They are both actors or have some training in it.

Take off your blinkers please. I don't whether he is guilty like you don't know whether he is innocent. You can't be sure of some guys with a vested interest in him being guilty with no actual evidence just their account."

Fair enough. But what I would say is that it's very evident that he took them into his inner circle, then dropped them when he no longer had any interest. That's the actions of a sociopath so whether he sexually abused them or not, he's still a nasty piece of work.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Loads of great songs, but a seriously weird bloke.

It's not surprising that he was strange, he was performing in strip clubs with his brothers when he was seven or eight and a global mega star at nine years old. He suffered abuse at the hands of several adults as a child and grew up in a surreal environment that had bore no relationship to normal.

Regardless of what he may or may not have done, the music is still great and that will never change.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just add if anyone has anything to say to me can they do it on the thread and not in a private message please?

If you disagree with me great, report me if you feel that hard done by but lets not get abusive hey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been listening to the music for too long to just stop now. Haven't seen this documentary yet, but does it say anything that hasn't been said before?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Been listening to the music for too long to just stop now. Haven't seen this documentary yet, but does it say anything that hasn't been said before?"

No it doesn’t .

What it has is a guy who swore on oath that Jackson didn’t do anything , saying he actually lied on oath and that Jackson did .

Couple that with another guy saying much the same ( I’m guessing they had the same coach ) and you get what was effectively a hatchet job .

The way the two of them said the same stuff the same way was pretty clever to be fair . It certainly got the majority of people believing them , but I saw it as very effective coaching . Others see it as a sociopathic grooming , but Jackson never hid what he was doing . No hiding it from the parents , the media or his own family . Why wasn’t he more covert if he was performing acts of abuse ?

So I ain’t buying it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Been listening to the music for too long to just stop now. Haven't seen this documentary yet, but does it say anything that hasn't been said before?

No it doesn’t .

What it has is a guy who swore on oath that Jackson didn’t do anything , saying he actually lied on oath and that Jackson did .

Couple that with another guy saying much the same ( I’m guessing they had the same coach ) and you get what was effectively a hatchet job .

So I ain’t buying it ."

My thoughts exactly, and the parents allowed their child to be alone with him.

Did he not loan the money for a house! And then tell them it was a gift? They were happy to accept it. Now all of a sudden here they are! Years later.

I don't buy it either.

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"Been listening to the music for too long to just stop now. Haven't seen this documentary yet, but does it say anything that hasn't been said before?"

Its pretty clear and compelling ok you will get Jackson fans who don't want to believe it but it is compelling and the producers mu7st feel pretty confident or it wouldn't have been aired for fear of being sued.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

Over the years more and more people are coming out of the woodwork making false claims, for personal financial gain and notoriety.

In my book, a person is innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. And not prejudged by assumer's

You've just prejudged people making 'false claims' when you've no idea how true they are.

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I did !!! Oooops sorry

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Why wasn’t he more covert if he was performing acts of abuse ?

Probably because he didn't need to be. We saw with Saville that famous people can get away with really heinous, obvious stuff because others will turn a blind eye.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Why wasn’t he more covert if he was performing acts of abuse ?

Probably because he didn't need to be. We saw with Saville that famous people can get away with really heinous, obvious stuff because others will turn a blind eye.

I’m not so sure .

With Saville there was always something about him that was extremely cringeworthy . I mean he was into necrophilia if what they say is true .

With Jackson it was always more of a man who never grew up . Didn’t have a childhood , and now he has the money to have one .

Why are people who are now adults who spent as much time as these two with him as kids saying he didn’t do anything ? Macaulay Culkin being a prime example .

This Wade guy had tried and failed in the past to extricate millions from the Jackson family , despite standing in court and saying Jackson did nothing when he was 21 years old !

Although I think Michael Jackson was odd , I don’t believe for one moment he did what these two guys say he did . He wasn’t that stupid to think no one would find out , and I really don’t think he would have got anything from it . I’m not sure that anyone was surprised at what Saville had done .

It’s a very strange thing that so many people suddenly come forward so many years after someone dies . Especially when there’s a posssibility of money coming out of it . I can’t help but feel somewhat cynical about it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if he did play about with kids I hope he rots in hell

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I can’t tell wether the spelling mistakes are intentional to add humour/irony like that ‘britan furst’ page or if folk really like him and just can’t spell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can’t tell wether the spelling mistakes are intentional to add humour/irony like that ‘britan furst’ page or if folk really like him and just can’t spell"

I fink it bean dun un porpoise

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"I can’t tell wether the spelling mistakes are intentional to add humour/irony like that ‘britan furst’ page or if folk really like him and just can’t spell

I fink it bean dun un porpoise"

Genius

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can’t tell wether the spelling mistakes are intentional to add humour/irony like that ‘britan furst’ page or if folk really like him and just can’t spell

I fink it bean dun un porpoise

Genius

I'm framing this. First and only time I'll get called Genius

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was independent testimony in the trial which supported the allegations made by the boys involved ... While that case failed the evidence and his behaviour leave many unanswered questions. Jackson also settled a claim out of court. Why was that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Knock yourself out, listen to You Are Not alone, written by R Kelly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why wasn’t he more covert if he was performing acts of abuse ?

Probably because he didn't need to be. We saw with Saville that famous people can get away with really heinous, obvious stuff because others will turn a blind eye.

I’m not so sure .

With Saville there was always something about him that was extremely cringeworthy . I mean he was into necrophilia if what they say is true .

With Jackson it was always more of a man who never grew up . Didn’t have a childhood , and now he has the money to have one .

Why are people who are now adults who spent as much time as these two with him as kids saying he didn’t do anything ? Macaulay Culkin being a prime example .

This Wade guy had tried and failed in the past to extricate millions from the Jackson family , despite standing in court and saying Jackson did nothing when he was 21 years old !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched Leaving Neverland last night. The distress shown by Wade and James and the similarities in their narrative when describing the abuse, leaves me in no doubt that this happened.

So no, I certainly won't be listening to his music."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We wouldn't know as the man is not alone to defend himself or to be proven guilty by the courts .

Until then his music lives forever.

We can only judge from the allegations and once painted black, it's easy to tarnish the image again. Makes us believe more that MJ was a pedo but these are just allegations , there is absolutely no evidence found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prefer his earlier albums, up to bad, HISTory was ok i guess but after that it went a bit shit, will i still listen to his music? of course I will.

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

His music is nothing to do with the allegations

You either believe it or you don’t

Move on

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Knock yourself out, listen to You Are Not alone, written by R Kelly."
I will have a look at it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We wouldn't know as the man is not alone to defend himself or to be proven guilty by the courts .

Until then his music lives forever.

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That is right

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

"We wouldn't know as the man is not alone to defend himself or to be proven guilty by the courts .

Until then his music lives forever.

So he never went to bed with a 7yr old? Strange I thought that wasn't disputed! I guess every grown man on here would go to bed with an unrelated 7 yr old or woman for that matter! Would you? Well would you?

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"Big fan here too n will always support the king of hip hop

Don't bleive all the connsperciy theory they tried while he was alive n there was no evidence n he was quited end of discussion

Now they made film n making money out of his name n that's the only way to convince people Cose people cry over films so do I

But I don't bleive all the bullshit now no one even know who the fuck these morons are honestly

Having saying that I am not saying it's okay to sleep or abuse kids before u come after me"

'King of hip hop'..........what?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"Been listening to the music for too long to just stop now. Haven't seen this documentary yet, but does it say anything that hasn't been said before?

You can say whatever you like about dead people. It's not unlawful to make untrue allegations once someone has died.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not going to delete any of the Jacksons music off of my playlist. I don't support his memory or anything like that either though as I don't know if the allegations of actual abuse are true or not.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"I don’t support any grown man that sleeps with children in his own bed hundreds of nights, several children. It’s a bit weird. It’s not different because he’s a celebrity it’s just as odd as if it’s your neighbour. "

This just about sums it all up really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly don't care. Not a fan but don't dislike his music. Can't make any changes to what he may or may not have done 20 or so years ago. Also have no real evidence of anything, and he is dead, so if I block him he won't notice.

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By *ames_dieselMan
over a year ago

London

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Undeniably a dangerous paedophile - best dead. King of paedo’s more like.

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over a year ago

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Undeniably a dangerous paedophile - best dead. King of paedo’s more like. "

based on hearsay

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By *ames_dieselMan
over a year ago

London

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By *ames_dieselMan
over a year ago

London

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Undeniably a dangerous paedophile - best dead. King of paedo’s more like.

based on hearsay

How many 7 year old strangers have you had sleep in your bed over the years? Wake up ffs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Undeniably a dangerous paedophile - best dead. King of paedo’s more like.

based on hearsay

How many 7 year old strangers have you had sleep in your bed over the years? Wake up ffs! "

yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn, let me have a coffee and i’ll be right with ya

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By *ihimbiherCouple
over a year ago

lightwater

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were not there .

We will never know the truth .

Listen to his music or not

Up to you ,im bored with all the speculation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man was aquitted by a criminal court - but that isn't enough for some.

I'd like to see them brought before a court on perjury charges."

and this is the problem with that mocumentary, you have to do your own search into the background of both of these guys making their claims, and it makes very uncomfortable reading, now why didn’t they broadcast any of that i wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he did it. Will I stop listening to his music, no, boycotting the songs won’t undo what happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you? I like him. I am having a jackson day where I am playing all the tracks, one of my favourites are, what about us, the king of pop

Undeniably a dangerous paedophile - best dead. King of paedo’s more like.

based on hearsay

How many 7 year old strangers have you had sleep in your bed over the years? Wake up ffs! "

Its the one thing all Jackson fans try to avoid sadly the man and he was a man took young boys to bed with him and that is not a natural thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m a massive fan of his music, I grew up on it. There wasn’t a moment where I didn’t have the Bad album on my Walkman.

There’s just too many different types of abuse, it’s not all pinning someone down and taking them with force. He displayed all the characteristics of a paedophile, he groomed all the children and their parents. He abused that kid that was dying, all the boys he had around him.

I still will listen to his songs though and I don’t know if I’m a bad person because of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think he did it. Will I stop listening to his music, no, boycotting the songs won’t undo what happened. "

I think this is where I'm at too. The probability is high, but I don't think they'll be able to prove it either way.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"Genius as a musical perspective goes, but something very dodgy about him so No"

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By *100Man
over a year ago

Essex

He was the main money maker for the whole family from such a early age he never had the chance to grow up I think he was the one abused all his life no wonder he was a bit fucked up.

He could make a tune though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not just their accounts of what he did it’s the aftermath and the way the families talk about it.

Didn’t know Wade Robsons father committed suicide after his mother left to live in America to be closer to Michael.

The guilt and the way the two men still blame their mothers for allowing them to sleep over and in the same bed as Michael all those times.

It’s too many things for me, like he was the greatest pop star but he was a troubled man who did abuse those kids. IMO.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Does make you wonder how " accidental" his death actually was?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to be really good or really connected to get away with paedophilia.

And this guy wasn't that well connected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does make you wonder how " accidental" his death actually was?"

oooh new conspiracy theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does make you wonder how " accidental" his death actually was?"
No, not really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, lot of love for the King of Paedos on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you also listen to Gary glitter and watch old tapes of jim’ll fix it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you also listen to Gary glitter and watch old tapes of jim’ll fix it ?"

Do I fuck! I'll leave major paedo fest to you guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defensive? Wasn’t directed at you ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Defensive? Wasn’t directed at you ha "

Ah, got it buddy

I don't watch Bill Cosby either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We Americans aren't great at dealing with crims if they're rich and famous, we vote them president instead

Bill Cosby only got convicted because he ran out of money and couldn't afford the shyster lawyers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think frankie explains it well

https://youtu.be/RM8EVIbNxk4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think frankie explains it well

https://youtu.be/RM8EVIbNxk4"

It just seems that everything that ever touched, or came in contact with The King of Paedos was rotten. I'd like to see those two guys brought before a court on perjury charges. If they're found guilty that means that they did, in fact, lie to the court originally and the opposite of their testimony stands - that Jackson did abuse them. If this happens, the original case can be declared null and void, and be reassessed, if not retried. This case really does need to go back before America's courts one way or another. Our understanding of the deep psychological nature of grooming and paedophilia has increased so much since 2005 I don't doubt for one second that he would be convicted with all 3 boys' testimonies against him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does make you wonder how " accidental" his death actually was?"

Oh I see what your saying. Maybe his Doc found out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An informative thread but sickening to see a number of people support a man who slept with children and something about their moral code. At least there is a little button many will have clicked to avoid contact with these people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An informative thread but sickening to see a number of people support a man who slept with children and something about their moral code. At least there is a little button many will have clicked to avoid contact with these people. "

There are some weird and worrying views on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think frankie explains it well

https://youtu.be/RM8EVIbNxk4

That’s true, abuse comes in many different forms. Just because these children weren’t scared of him and seemed to want to willingly go with him doesn’t mean they weren’t being abused. That’s the type of abuse that’s harder to spot. He properly groomed them. Even the way they describe being jealous when he had a new boy and knew that the new boy was being abused and they weren’t, instead of being relieved it made them jealous.

I’ve watched the documentaries and read a load more about it. I was looking at him like the pop star that I loved to listen to, not the man he was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think frankie explains it well

https://youtu.be/RM8EVIbNxk4

I’ve watched the documentaries and read a load more about it. I was looking at him like the pop star that I loved to listen to, not the man he was. "

There's much more to it all than was in the documentary, but MJs money and fame still suppresses a lot of it. Even many of the things he said himself are now considered recognised traits of predatory sexual grooming. I don't know if this is allowed on here, but here's a cut and paste from a US child protection service, used in training law officials. I defy anyone to read it, then watch the documentary again to see how much of it rings true. It's a true account, and desperately sad.

Kindness

Predators are good listeners. They will spend hours talking with you, paying attention to your words and your story. They will ask questions, they will empathise. And they are sincere. So very sincere. You will feel grateful to them, and humbled that they have shown such interest in you.

Special

A predator will make you feel special and favoured by them. They will use words like this: “I have probably spent more one on one time with you than any other young man you would know.” They will make you feel that you are the only person in the world that makes them happy. They will tell you that you give them energy. If you have a faith of any kind, they will use God’s name to reinforce that. They will say things like, “God has brought you here,” or “I have been waiting for God to bring someone like you to me/this ministry,” or “what a blessing from God you are to me.”

Secrets

At this point in the relationship they will feel safe enough to start probing for your secrets. If you open up to them, trusting them because they have been kind to you and you believe you are special to them, you will share your secrets. My groomer would say things like, “can I ask you a personal question?” This would be followed by questions along the lines of, “have you ever done something you’re ashamed about,” or “are you a virgin?’ With the initial, qualifying question making it feel like you have a choice whether to answer or not, lulls you into believing it is safe to share.

They may even share a secret or two with you from their life. It is unlikely they will share anything too personal – remembering that a narcissist/sociopath has denied their authentic self and is living a double-life. Any secret they share will be innocuous. My groomer shared a ‘secret’ with me when he admitted that he sometimes felt nervous speaking in front of thousands of people. I felt privileged that he would share that with me and nobody else, but what is that secret compared with ‘are you a virgin?’

Gifts

To cement this growing relationship your predator will start giving you things. It depends on the circumstances you are in at the time, but for me, I was given a bedroom makeover, clothing, gifts of money, phone calls to my family overseas paid for by my groomer. The gifts are a way of reinforcing to you that they have been kind to you, that you are special to them, that you share a secret bond.

Fear

Fear can come in many forms when you are in a relationship with a groomer. But ultimately this step is designed to make you fear that one day the relationship will come to an end. Your groomer will start dropping subtle nuances about this. His fear will seem very real to you but it is designed to make you worry about losing them.

This will make you work harder to please them.

Isolation

The next step is to isolate you from family and friends. If this cannot be done physically, it will be mentally. Your groomer will start confiding in you about other people and their faults. They will use words like ‘trust’. My groomer said things like, “other boys will want to be your friend just to get close to me.” This made me look on my peers with mistrust, believing they had ulterior motives to befriending me. It also devalues my worth in my own eyes. It says, I am not worthy of being a friend. They don’t really like me, they like him.”

Soul ties

By now you and your predator think as one person.

Well, you believe you do.

He is the center of your world.

Absolute Loyalty

Do not listen to others who tell you they have concerns about your relationship with this person. They don’t know him! They don’t know how sincere and kind and special he is. They don’t know his generous heart and his vulnerability.

When you find yourself thinking this, you have fallen into his web of lies and deceit.

Your groomer has won your heart, he has won your trust, he has won your mind.

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

There are some weird and worrying views on here

I have to agree a lot of denialists its worrying to be honest no wonder victims of abuse are scared to come forward.

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By *penryanMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Naturally people don't want to believe it because of how great his music was. However he clearly was touching children for sexual gain. Power corrupts . He was in a position of power.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but we can still interact with you in the forum, you can’t block that from happening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An artists work should have value in its own right, no matter what sort of life the artist led.

Try separating the art from the artist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No support for Michael Jackson at all. He's not a patch on R Kelly

(joke)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you also support Gary Glitter and play his songs too? "

He had been charge , found guilty and spent years in prison, totally different situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An artists work should have value in its own right, no matter what sort of life the artist led.

Try separating the art from the artist.

No, that's ok thanks buddy - I won't compromise my integrity or sense of decency just to listen to a bit of pop music. If it came on the radio I'd switch it off, if they played it in a restaurant I'd ask them to turn it off, or leave. I don't support child abuse in any way. Supporting the playing of his music just makes the royalties continue to roll in and they use that money to pay shyster lawyers to hush up his crimes.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I like him and his music - I'm OK that he didn't fully fit in to society, he was unique: I've felt an outsider at timeIs too. His music talent was phenomenal, he really was a giant. There were some allegations and a police/court trial whilst he was alive, so I can largely base my understanding of who he was on things during his lifetime. I've not watched television programmes where he was unable to defend himself but think that some people are now stating the opposite of what they said in court.His estate is substantial due to his talent, so it can make for an easy target for some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like him and his music - I'm OK that he didn't fully fit in to society, he was unique: I've felt an outsider at timeIs too. His music talent was phenomenal, he really was a giant. There were some allegations and a police/court trial whilst he was alive, so I can largely base my understanding of who he was on things during his lifetime. I've not watched television programmes where he was unable to defend himself but think that some people are now stating the opposite of what they said in court.His estate is substantial due to his talent, so it can make for an easy target for some."
You're saying these guys are only after his money? That's one of the recognised methods groomers use - "if you tell anyone about me, I'll just say you're want my money" and when the guy is rich and famous, the public fall for it easily and believe it to be the case. This attitude just makes it harder for abused kids to come forward.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

It simply doesn’t , so comments about people’s moral codes with no recourse won’t work ..

Anyone can comment on a post on a thread , blocked or not .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We Americans aren't great at dealing with crims if they're rich and famous, we vote them president instead

Bill Cosby only got convicted because he ran out of money and couldn't afford the shyster lawyers.

If you're wealthy enough in America, you can get away with murder. Literally.

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By *rozacMan
over a year ago

london

WHO IS MICKAEL JASKON?

WHATS HE DONE?

BILL POSTERS WILL BE PROSECUTED

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WHO IS MICKAEL JASKON?

WHATS HE DONE?

BILL POSTERS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

Who is Bill Posters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WHO IS MICKAEL JASKON?

WHATS HE DONE?

BILL POSTERS WILL BE PROSECUTED

Who is Bill Posters? "

yeah, and why do they always fire at Will, what did he do?

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

It simply doesn’t , so comments about people’s moral codes with no recourse won’t work ..

Anyone can comment on a post on a thread , blocked or not .

As mislead about peoples comments as you are about a paedophiles innocence by the looks of it.

To put it simply it looks as though people are that disgusted with people supporting a man who sleeps with kids they are blocking them.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I like him and his music - I'm OK that he didn't fully fit in to society, he was unique: I've felt an outsider at timeIs too. His music talent was phenomenal, he really was a giant. There were some allegations and a police/court trial whilst he was alive, so I can largely base my understanding of who he was on things during his lifetime. I've not watched television programmes where he was unable to defend himself but think that some people are now stating the opposite of what they said in court.His estate is substantial due to his talent, so it can make for an easy target for some.You're saying these guys are only after his money? That's one of the recognised methods groomers use - "if you tell anyone about me, I'll just say you're want my money" and when the guy is rich and famous, the public fall for it easily and believe it to be the case. This attitude just makes it harder for abused kids to come forward."

I said what I stated, which was largely focused on other things and not about his estate. I am a huge believer in faciliating increased levels of sexual abuse reporting of any type. I've not seen any recent television upon him, as I covered earlier, so know next to nothing of why someone has come forward, following earlier court trials.

His life was a tragic mixture of phenomenal talent, success and earlier cruelty and abuse, within his childhood. His loss is substantial to the world - but if he was engaged in any abuse of children, his life should have continued in a different manner, such as under control or in prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I loved is music when I was growing up and still listen to it now.

It amazes me that this bullshit documentary is actually being taken seriously! Not one shread of evidence and the accusers already swore on the Bible at the original trial in 2005 that he did not touch them!

Pure money grabbing and to run down a man who is dead is down right sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I loved is music when I was growing up and still listen to it now.

Pure money grabbing and to run down a man who is dead is down right sad."

Would you let your 7 year old child sleep in a random mans bed then? Forget that he’s Michael Jackson and just think of him as a football coach or a teacher, would you let your child sleep in his bed?

There’s many many different kinds of abuse, just because he wasn’t pinning them down balls deep inside them doesn’t mean that what they described didn’t happen.

Forget this documentary and remember the one with Martin Bashir, the living with Michael documentary in 2003, was something weird going on then you could tell.

It’s people that don’t believe what happened that sit on jury panels and help child abusers escape justice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah bro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am organising my birthday party right now and was asked by my dj friend ‘how do you stand with me playing MJ’ and I said ‘it’s still great music and makes a party, so he will always be welcome’, he has never been found guilty, fucked up individual yes and I am not a lawyer, nor was I around MJ or anything of the sort so I don’t know, just what I’ve seen and read. So I will always listen to his music, he isn’t everyone’s choice but he is mine.

And yes, I do still listen to Gary Glitter, not as in his albums but his anthem, if it was to come on anywhere then I wouldn’t turn it off because it’s a good song.

I don’t support them as people, I just like a great song when I hear one and I can distinguish the two.

Danish x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guy was a musical genius, there's no denying that. But, he was a paedophile. The following facts just can't be denied:

Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.

Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.

The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.

Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.

But the boys were lying and Jackson is the victim here?

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

If someone made accusations against me, I would make damn sure that I was NEVER in a situation that could be misconstrued, misinterpretted, or put me in a position where someone could make more allegations against me.

The fact that he continued to form close relationships with little boys, and even continued to share a bed with them tells me that he was 100% guilty.

His "little boy/lost childhood" routine was purely a smokescreen... He groomed the world.

"Groom the world,

make it a better place,

for you and for me to

sit on each other's face..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been reading the police reports from the original arrest where he settled, that Jordan chandler was asked to sketch Michaels penis which he did, the penis, the balls, the hooch complete with all the skin colour pigmentation marks, it’s why when he was arrested the police took photographs of michaels penis and buttocks and the two pictures matched.

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

They never said that he r@ped them, they even spoke about being masturbted by him until they climaxed, it wasn’t a fear of him they had they were even jealous when a new boy came along and was taken to the bathroom and abused and they were left in the other room. It’s fucked up, but that’s grooming at its finest.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

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over a year ago

"Been reading the police reports from the original arrest where he settled, that Jordan chandler was asked to sketch Michaels penis which he did, the penis, the balls, the hooch complete with all the skin colour pigmentation marks, it’s why when he was arrested the police took photographs of michaels penis and buttocks and the two pictures matched.

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of. "

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I felt very sorry for him when he started changing his appearance. I wonder how the chimp’s getting along these days.

Thankfully there’s only a handful of songs I actually liked of his so it’s not such a hardship not listening to his music anymore.

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over a year ago

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

Forget the obvious reasons like money,if my child said he was messed with then I'd make sure the fucker got sent down for it..but no they took the money...proof they are lying right there....you wouldn't want money,you would want justice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people are using the "he never had a childhood" as an excuse, or reason for what he did. Bullplop! Lots of child actors and musicians didn't have proper childhoods and many of them went on to achieve NOT being a pedo. Why is his poor childhood an excuse? His stage and TV persona was "childlike" but he was an adult when he committed these crimes.

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over a year ago

"A lot of people are using the "he never had a childhood" as an excuse, or reason for what he did. Bullplop! Lots of child actors and musicians didn't have proper childhoods and many of them went on to achieve NOT being a pedo. Why is his poor childhood an excuse? His stage and TV persona was "childlike" but he was an adult when he committed these crimes."

Sadly there are some really scary people who want to justify adults sleeping with children you can only guess at the motivation for this.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

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If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

The fact that they took the money prove they're lying? So the fact that he paid it proves what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

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over a year ago

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

The fact that they took the money prove they're lying? So the fact that he paid it proves what? "

If you do some research you will find his record label at the time (sony) ordered him to pay it to put an end to the situation.look it up

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over a year ago

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

You're absolutely right, as a parent I would want justice. But there's no denying the fact that those children knew what his penis looked like, and children's fingerprints were on extreme S&M pictures. Is that something that should just be forgotten about because the families decided to accept a payoff instead of putting their children through a very public trial?

I have worked with abused children for many years, if they were given the choice between standing in court and reliving their past trauma, or settling out of court for millions of pounds, you would be surprised by how many would take the money. Is that proof that the accused is innocent? Or is it a way for a child not to be put through the torment of a trial that would be famous globally?

It's not just children who are groomed, whole families are groomed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

The fact that they took the money prove they're lying? So the fact that he paid it proves what?

If you do some research you will find his record label at the time (sony) ordered him to pay it to put an end to the situation.look it up"

Heed your own advice poppet and do some more research into how much of a deviant your superstar was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you watch those men talking about the abuse and how much they still love Michael it’s clear that they were groomed in the worst possible way.

I have no doubt that he did what he’s being accused of.

It's the boys description of his genitals that is such damming evidence imo.

Ok so if that's the truth and the pictures matched then why was he not found guilty??

The fact that they took the money prove they're lying? So the fact that he paid it proves what? "

I know its sad isn't it as it was the parents took the money after threats from the defence attorneys pressure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise."

He was acquitted, not found "not guilty" or innocent - those are very different things. Rich and famous pedos use their money and fame to influence courts in the US - Bill Cosby used the same shyster lawyer as MJ until his money ran out. Look where he is now. How about Jimi Savile? He was never found guilty in a British court of law - do you consider him "innocent"? The parents of the main plaintiff accepted a $26 million payoff and the case was dropped. That poor little kid was abused by his "idol", then let down badly by his folks.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

I've said above, the only people who know if the abuse happened are Jackson himself (whose dead) and the alleged victims. The rest of us can only make more or less informed guesses.

I really don't know if it happened. There's evidence both ways. It follows that, given the criminal standard of proof, I'd have to find him not guilty if I was on a jury at his trial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Nobody is still answering my point about why his parents took the money if he was telling the truth??

Would you take the money and let him walk free if your child was touched in appropriately??

You take the money when you know you are lying....that's the whole bloody point! It's a ruse!

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Nobody is still answering my point about why his parents took the money if he was telling the truth??

Would you take the money and let him walk free if your child was touched in appropriately??

You take the money when you know you are lying....that's the whole bloody point! It's a ruse! "

No I wouldn't take the money, but if I were the accused and innocent I wouldn't have paid them off either. No matter what my record label "ordered" me to do. The money proves nothing.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

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"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Nobody is still answering my point about why his parents took the money if he was telling the truth??

Would you take the money and let him walk free if your child was touched in appropriately??

You take the money when you know you are lying....that's the whole bloody point! It's a ruse! "

You're mixing up civil and criminal proceedings.

The parents brought a civil claim where the only remedy sought is monetary compensation. Jackson offered to settle that claim and they accepted.

That has absolutely no bearing on a criminal case, which is brought by the state, not the alleged victims or their family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

No NHS in the USA either the parents probably too the money as conviction or not they would have to fund psychological help to help the poor child get over the abuse.

As for the money who in the right mind would pay it if they were innocent? Really pay out for being accused of being a paedophile? No innocent person would do that no matter what!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A grown man that built a fun fair and candy stalls in his back garden..a kiddies dream place..best hidden pedo ever ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WHO IS MICKAEL JASKON?

WHATS HE DONE?

BILL POSTERS WILL BE PROSECUTED

Who is Bill Posters? "

Must be a mate of Bill Stickers.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

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"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

No NHS in the USA either the parents probably too the money as conviction or not they would have to fund psychological help to help the poor child get over the abuse.

As for the money who in the right mind would pay it if they were innocent? Really pay out for being accused of being a paedophile? No innocent person would do that no matter what! "

People can and do that all the time. Legal cases are risky and cost money. A completely innocent person may decide to settle without admitting liability rather than run the risk of losing in court and being labelled a paedo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Nobody is still answering my point about why his parents took the money if he was telling the truth??

Would you take the money and let him walk free if your child was touched in appropriately??

You take the money when you know you are lying....that's the whole bloody point! It's a ruse! "

Because the parents were complete and utter assholes who let their kids down badly, although they are probably victims of MJ's grooming techniques too. In the US, justice is as hard to get as healthcare is if you're poor. Maybe the parents thought "well, the deed is done but the money will make the future brighter".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also the various reports of him sleeping with children is misinterpreted...yes children where in his room...so were there parents! His bedroom was the size of the average UK house!

But if there's a documentary about it then the accusations must be true...so many sheep just believing what the documentary tells you as gospel

Incorrect the parents were clearly excluded from the bedroom the children were there on their own the only adult was Jackson.

So sick trying to justify him sleeping with children!

You must not be very bright,or you cannot read.

I never justified that,if I believed it was true I would condemn him for it.

But I believe the accusations to be money driven,and not one shred of evidence..found not guilty numerous times.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Nobody is still answering my point about why his parents took the money if he was telling the truth??

Would you take the money and let him walk free if your child was touched in appropriately??

You take the money when you know you are lying....that's the whole bloody point! It's a ruse! "

Refer to my previous answer in regards to why people accept payoffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A grown man that built a fun fair and candy stalls in his back garden..a kiddies dream place..best hidden pedo ever .. "

It wasn't hidden though - it was in "plain sight" - a technique pedos use to establish and re-enforce their behaviour. He regularly had young boys in his bed, but didn't mol*st all of them. They would then later be able to testify that he had never touched them inappropriately, making the testimonies of the ones he had abused appear less truthful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard all the same stuff said here when the BBC violated Sir Cliff Richards privacy from a Police tip off.

It's all been proven false and yet people still continue to prejudge on hearsay.

One thing I've learned here on fab, the last few days has confirmed my view by revealing how unforgiving and judgemental so many forumites are. Flies in the face of the idea that many try to portray of fabbers being more tolerant to others. Far quicker to judge than my vanilla friends, then again most here are actually strangers behind a screen.

Guess the difference is we can say what we like to people here with little personal consequences, we may not be so vocal with muddling in real life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard all the same stuff said here when the BBC violated Sir Cliff Richards privacy from a Police tip off.

It's all been proven false and yet people still continue to prejudge on hearsay.

Guess the difference is we can say what we like to people here with little personal consequences, we may not be so vocal with muddling in real life. "

"unforgiving and judgemental" to sick individuals who many, many people think are sick pedos? Hell yeah!

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over a year ago

There is also the statement made by MJ's sister, LaToya, in a 1993 interview. She said "Michael is my brother, I love him a great deal but I cannot, and will not, be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small, innocent children. If I remain silent then it means I fuel the guilt and humiliation these children are feeling and I think it's very wrong."

She later retracted what she'd said. But two abused boys changed their statement and are being accused of lying - she changed her statement but nothing is said? As I've said way above, the two guys admitted perjury on TV. If State prosecutors pick it up, they may go back to court, and it will have to be proved that their original statements were lies. Which means that their truthful testimony at the time would have confirmed the accusations of Gavin Arvizo - that MJ abused them.

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