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Is submission the ultimate act of feminism?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just wondering. I am a feminist and have always desired to submit. Would a lady see this as the ultimate act?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought it was about equality not dominance.

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By *anana JoeMan
over a year ago

Sheffield


"I thought it was about equality not dominance. "

So did I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a word, no.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I thought it was about equality not dominance. "

Equality is lovely and worth promoting when there is equality in society. Women still face prejudice across all aspects of life

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Not sure how you would see it as an act of feminism OP? It's an act of submission plain and simple - it's not, in itself, promoting women's rights or equality generally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure how you would see it as an act of feminism OP? It's an act of submission plain and simple - it's not, in itself, promoting women's rights or equality generally."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought it was about equality not dominance.

Equality is lovely and worth promoting when there is equality in society. Women still face prejudice across all aspects of life "

What's it got to do with a man submitting though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The dynamic is complex.

A true sub offers their submission, so is arguably in control of the dynamic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering. I am a feminist and have always desired to submit. Would a lady see this as the ultimate act?"

It's got nothing to do with politics.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Would submission not empower the dominant person. And then any empowerment spread beyond the 1 2 1 relationship between the man and woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would submission not empower the dominant person. And then any empowerment spread beyond the 1 2 1 relationship between the man and woman"

Not in my experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would submission not empower the dominant person. And then any empowerment spread beyond the 1 2 1 relationship between the man and woman"

No. It's realisticlu simmilar to any other relationship. But it's more obvious and straight forward.

They can't say "it's your decision" or leave you confused over how they want to be entertained.

You can be blunt and straightforward about what you don't want

And for someone like me who can't read implicit nonverbal signals it just leads to more open clear communication.

I wouldn't want to be in he other position because leadership is stressful and I'd rather be suprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For example I have friends who think they wear the trousers but their girlfriends/wives have taken all their passwords and boss them around (which is a constant battle for them)

....including smashing up presents on Christmas day and locking them out of the house!

In FLR your more likely to have an agreement prohibiting such behaviour as "hard limit" if you cover her other needs and can be flexible.

Some women don't like penetration unless they really bond with you alot over a long time....other times they just like it this way.

However it's distorted because of the ammount of vanilla men who have no backbone....or the ammount of people who live in fantasy land...

Some people are just wierd differently. Sometimes you like a woman who's into kinky stuff because most of what you see other people doing looks boring..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought it was about equality not dominance.

Equality is lovely and worth promoting when there is equality in society. Women still face prejudice across all aspects of life "

Go on then...fire a few prejudices across all aspects of life that women encounter in society today...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me"

Why can only women clarify it? Men can be feminists too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me"

I don't feel empowered. I find it arousing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me

Yes of course and I would hope so.

But only a woman could say if a man submitting empowers her. A man trying to presume empowerment is another example of inequality.

Why can only women clarify it? Men can be feminists too"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering. I am a feminist and have always desired to submit. Would a lady see this as the ultimate act?"

The ultimate act of feminism is to let the woman take the bins out, while the man selflessly unloads the dishwasher.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me"

Debates are always good in my book, they exercise and educate the mind if you are open to them

Whilst domination and submission by it's very nature involves elements of power exchange, I think you're looking at it too simplistically - it's an individual thing, that is bound by the rules and boundaries of a specific relationship and therefore, as I said further up, in itself can't promote feminism in general, or make wholesale changes affecting all women, and attitudes towards them, which is essentially what feminism is.

Yes on an individual level in a Domme/male sub relationship the woman may well hold the power, or at least an equal level of power, but that's not feminism, that's the dynamics of a specific relationship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me"

I like a woman to wank me off while I’ve got my hands tied and I can’t cum till I’m told to, does that make a feminist ?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It could be feminist in the sense of recognising that wielding power/authority is not only the realm of men.

But unfortunately I think there are plenty of sub men who are still misogynists. People are very good at seperating sex from their political/social convictions - see for example all the anti-gay politicians who are found to be having gay affairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me

I like a woman to wank me off while I’ve got my hands tied and I can’t cum till I’m told to, does that make a feminist ? "

No, it makes you someone’s bitch!! Ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me"

Intresting that you say 'debate' ...surely it's a settled subject. Women suffer prejudice daily in today's modern society....what is there to debate? All i asked was can you point out some instances of society's prejudice towards women....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me

I like a woman to wank me off while I’ve got my hands tied and I can’t cum till I’m told to, does that make a feminist ?

No, it makes you someone’s bitch!! Ha"

Thanks for clarifying Janner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting.

Didn't want to start a debate about if there is prejudice against women. Just if ant woman felt empowered by a man submitting. I suppose I should have been clearer in my thinking. Only really women who can clarify it for me

I like a woman to wank me off while I’ve got my hands tied and I can’t cum till I’m told to, does that make a feminist ?

No, it makes you someone’s bitch!! Ha

Thanks for clarifying Janner."

No problem Trago boy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering. I am a feminist and have always desired to submit. Would a lady see this as the ultimate act?

The ultimate act of feminism is to let the woman take the bins out, while the man selflessly unloads the dishwasher. "

My son lets me take out the bins, but we don't have a dishwasher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah because you're just looking to get what you want.

You dont care if the woman feels empowered or whatever, your concern is your sexual gratification.

Phrasing it as you have isn't so much submission but manipulation, topping from bottom if you will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Equality? Ha no such thing yet.. give it another couple hundred years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Urm makes no sense

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It has nothing to do with feminism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any person who truly loves the dynamic of domination or submission, regardless of sex, gets off on the control or lack of, with the person they're with. That's the whole attraction of this kind of play. It's a very powerful exchange with the right people.

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