FabSwingers.com forum: Cyclists unfair to other road users

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

No road tax, No Insurance, No MOT and No form of Driving Licence or Road test and yet they get specialist lanes the rest of us paying road users have to pay for and if there is no specialist lane we now have to give them a minimum of 1.5 metres of space if we overtake them or risk a £100 fine and 3 points, and yet they can go past me so close they set off my proximity alarm on the car. Not to mention ignoring every other rule in the highway code especially red lights and zebra crossings!

And before they start shouting about it being because they are environmentally conscious as opposed to other road users. Horses and Horse and Carriages could also be classed as environmentally conscious but they have to have public liability insurance to use the roads and carriage drivers have to have a road driving assessment and their carriages a comprehensive list of safety checks to ensure that their carriage and its fittings are safe and in good working order. So that argument doesnt hold water.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Is it rant Thursday?

They have their own lanes yes ... footpaths ... fed up with nearly being run over by them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no problem with cyclists as long as they adhere to the rules of the road. Only just this morning I had a cyclist come out of a junction in front of me with no chance to apply the brakes. With the oncoming traffic I had no choice but to go past with little room for the cyclist who I could see in the rear view mirror giving me all sorts of hand signals!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm mostly a pedestrian, and I'm sick of the regular near misses I have. As we all learned when we were toddlers, green man means walk, and things on wheels (except wheelchairs etc) stop when the big red light is on. I don't care why they do it, what advantage it gives them, if I have right of way then they can fuck off.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Cyclist

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

Bloody pedestrians, getting their own footpaths and places to cross the roads and LOLLYPOP people (for those of a certain age)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm mostly a pedestrian, and I'm sick of the regular near misses I have. As we all learned when we were toddlers, green man means walk, and things on wheels (except wheelchairs etc) stop when the big red light is on. I don't care why they do it, what advantage it gives them, if I have right of way then they can fuck off. "

This is my rule too, if I have right of way I ain't moving. That goes for people who walk 4 a breast down the footpath and see you coming but expect you to step out onto the road to pass them. I just stop dead in front of them and wait for them to move. It costs nothing to be courteous. OP I do believe there should a more thorough cycling proficiency exam that anyone who wished to cycle on the road must have. Jumping lights and zebra crossing should equal a flogging, to be handed out by the nearest witness

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Horse owners don't need insurance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Horse owners don't need insurance."

Highway code says they need public liability

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

So if a cyclist causes an accident, or damage to a parked car or any other property ... they of course responsibly make sure they make reparation for their error?

Or perhaps some are taking this a little too seriously

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Horse owners don't need insurance.

Highway code says they need public liability"

It also says "You must not cycle on footpaths"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cycling is environmentally friendly so should be promoted.If cyclists want to be even more environmentally they should ride unicycles..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Horse owners don't need insurance.

Highway code says they need public liability

It also says "You must not cycle on footpaths""

What about "you must use cycle Lanes and cycle paths where available"? Coz they don't around here

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By *amelhunterMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Would love to see your road tax certificate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where do i stand on uni-cycles

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

" where do i stand on uni-cycles"

I think your argument here regularly falls over

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up."

"On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries?"

I thought I was.

I was asking a reasonable question in a reasonable manner not swearing or telling people they were children for questioning something.

As for the 1.5 meter passing distance can you then explain why cyclists think its ok to pass a car at a much closer distance than 1.5 meters. Seems a bit like one rule for one and another for someone else. Call me simplistic if you will butI thought the law was supposed to be the same for everyone.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

I’m a cyclist and own two cars. So of course I pay road tax. I think the OP is just playing the ‘devils avocado’ and loves cyclists really.

And why not - what an attractive sexy lot we are in our Lycra.

Women - shag more cyclists, your life will be better for it.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"I’m a cyclist and own two cars. So of course I pay road tax. I think the OP is just playing the ‘devils avocado’ and loves cyclists really.

And why not - what an attractive sexy lot we are in our Lycra.

Women - shag more cyclists, your life will be better for it."

Does the lycra show the wart of nicely?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries?

I thought I was.

I was asking a reasonable question in a reasonable manner not swearing or telling people they were children for questioning something.

Why would the highway way code be the same for all road users? That doesn't make sense. When was the last time a cyclist over took you 50 mph faster than your road speed?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’m a cyclist and own two cars. So of course I pay road tax. I think the OP is just playing the ‘devils avocado’ and loves cyclists really.

And why not - what an attractive sexy lot we are in our Lycra.

Women - shag more cyclists, your life will be better for it."

Nah dont like Avocados

Just simply asking if people think the current rules are fair to all or not.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I’m a cyclist and own two cars. So of course I pay road tax. I think the OP is just playing the ‘devils avocado’ and loves cyclists really.

And why not - what an attractive sexy lot we are in our Lycra.

Women - shag more cyclists, your life will be better for it.

Nah dont like Avocados

Just simply asking if people think the current rules are fair to all or not."

The current rules you clearly don't understand.....

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By *ickygirl41Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Dude!

Calm Doon

Cyclists don't pay road tax because a bike doesn't wear down/mess up roads

Cyclists get hurt and killed by drivers every day.

It's helping to save the planet.

Most are responsible road users, some aren't.

If you're so concerned about the amount of tax/petrol etc get a bike, it'll save you a fortune

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no feelings either way on the rights and wrongs of cyclists, but I have seen them damage cars' wing-mirrors in traffic and cycle off where the driver can't stop them. I personally think all cyclists should, by law, wear a high-viz with an identifying number (like a car's number plate), a helmet and lights. Similar punishments to other road-users for failing to have/show the above.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I have no feelings either way on the rights and wrongs of cyclists, but I have seen them damage cars' wing-mirrors in traffic and cycle off where the driver can't stop them. I personally think all cyclists should, by law, wear a high-viz with an identifying number (like a car's number plate), a helmet and lights. Similar punishments to other road-users for failing to have/show the above."

From what age?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Omg heard all this before do many times well I cycle I also do have cycle insurance I also have a full driving licence in fact hold many different types of driving licences also road fund tax does it pay for the road no check you will find not but does cover motorway where cyclists ain't allowed council tax covers the roads oh sorry cyclists do pay that so anything new you want to add but please make it something we ain't heard before.

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By *rladytoyMan
over a year ago

plymouth

For a minute there, i actually thought somebody said theres no such thing as road tax....but no surely they didnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what age? "

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Point of order on the subject of road tax ... it is a common misconception that it goes towards the upkeep of the roads. It goes into the general taxation fund. The upkeep of the roads are the responsibility of the councils... with local roads maintained from the council tax funding and government funding to support the upkeep of major routes ... just saying

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?"

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?"

Age of criminal responsibility I believe is 12 ..

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Short of all women and BBWs. You don’t go after cyclists on here OP.

Delete delete delete

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Point of order on the subject of road tax ... it is a common misconception that it goes towards the upkeep of the roads. It goes into the general taxation fund. The upkeep of the roads are the responsibility of the councils... with local roads maintained from the council tax funding and government funding to support the upkeep of major routes ... just saying

Vehicle tax. NOT road tax.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries?

I thought I was.

I was asking a reasonable question in a reasonable manner not swearing or telling people they were children for questioning something.

Why would the highway way code be the same for all road users? That doesn't make sense. When was the last time a cyclist over took you 50 mph faster than your road speed? "

Firstly I didnt say the highway code I said the law and secondly the last time I was overtaken by a cyclist according to my speedometer I was doing about 19mph in a 20mph zone when I was overtaken by a cyclist who was probably doing closer to 30 admittedly it was downhill but he went past me both speeding and certainly a lot closer than 1.5m I can also honestly say that whilst I have (like most road users)overtaken cyclists I have never gone past one at anywhere close to that speed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?"

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

Age of criminal responsibility I believe is 12 .."

I guess the price of registration etc could be added to vehicle tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries?

How about when they are two or three abreast my view is we all have a right to use the roads including horses but the problems come when other users don’t have any courtesy or respect for the other users there in lies the problem

I thought I was.

I was asking a reasonable question in a reasonable manner not swearing or telling people they were children for questioning something.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are."

Does "road traffic law" apply on cycle paths?

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By *appyhumper123Man
over a year ago

hull

If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest"

Absolutley agree. But a stupid cunt is a stupid cunt no matter which form of transport they choose.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

The highway code says shit loads that most car driver's don't adhere to undertaking being a good example.

Look op

Whilst your rant is a bit ott.

You do have some valid points in terms of education of cyclists.

Schools used to run cycling proficiency back when I was at school not these days, unfortunately they have to use their funds on stuff like,books, paper pencils and so on.

So it's more of a governmental issue of funding.

I agree that there are some right knob ends who ride bikes,but it's indicative of today's"I don't give a fuck about anyone or anything" culture.

You only have to see people who walk down the centre of roads then dare to give driver's abuse when they toot them out of the way.

But

Unless you have actually been a cyclist either as a commuter or recreational or sporting you have no idea what it's like.

Literally every day when someone sets wheel on the road to go somewhere your running a gauntlet of mentalist's who's sole purpose in life seems to be"death to all cyclists and pedestrians"

So as someone who used to commute from one side of London to the other daily and done thousands of miles road racing let me tell you,the only way to survive is

You have to get seen, you have to get big,

Make sure you get eye contact,

And as is the case get ahead of cars at junctions and traffic lights.

Unfortunately it really is a survival game as much as we hate to do it sometimes you have to ride in a style that allows you to be seen to avoid the assholes who do a left turn. Right in front of you etc....

It's why motorbikes ride the way they do get seen stay safe.

There needs to be better education of all road users the laws of the road do t seem to worth jack shit people do whatever they want now.

But show some compassion as said if you drive to close to a cyclist and Knock them off who do you think is going to come off worse???

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest

Absolutley agree. But a stupid cunt is a stupid cunt no matter which form of transport they choose. "

Exactly what I just said but in a more direct way lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are.

Does "road traffic law" apply on cycle paths? "

I don't know, but it should. Cycles are still "road traffic" though, I guess. Out of interest though - what detriment to the cyclist is there for wearing a high-viz, helmet and lights and be identifiable in the same way other (law-abiding!) road users do?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Vehicle tax. NOT road tax. "

Being a pedant here ... the term is either road find licence or vehicle excise duty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are.

Does "road traffic law" apply on cycle paths?

....be identifiable in the same way other (law-abiding!) road users are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest

Absolutley agree. But a stupid cunt is a stupid cunt no matter which form of transport they choose. "

This is a discussion not a swear fest!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Vehicle tax. NOT road tax.

Being a pedant here ... the term is either road find licence or vehicle excise duty

I can't see the word "excise" on the vehicle tax website? But I'm sure you're correct.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"The highway code says shit loads that most car driver's don't adhere to undertaking being a good example.

Look op

Whilst your rant is a bit ott.

You do have some valid points in terms of education of cyclists.

Schools used to run cycling proficiency back when I was at school not these days, unfortunately they have to use their funds on stuff like,books, paper pencils and so on.

So it's more of a governmental issue of funding.

I agree that there are some right knob ends who ride bikes,but it's indicative of today's"I don't give a fuck about anyone or anything" culture.

You only have to see people who walk down the centre of roads then dare to give driver's abuse when they toot them out of the way.

But

Unless you have actually been a cyclist either as a commuter or recreational or sporting you have no idea what it's like.

Literally every day when someone sets wheel on the road to go somewhere your running a gauntlet of mentalist's who's sole purpose in life seems to be"death to all cyclists and pedestrians"

So as someone who used to commute from one side of London to the other daily and done thousands of miles road racing let me tell you,the only way to survive is

You have to get seen, you have to get big,

Make sure you get eye contact,

And as is the case get ahead of cars at junctions and traffic lights.

It's why motorbikes ride the way they do get seen stay safe.

There needs to be better education of all road users the laws of the road do t seem to worth jack shit people do whatever they want now.

But show some compassion as said if you drive to close to a cyclist and Knock them off who do you think is going to come off worse???"

Totally agree ..

Being a cyclist, motorcyclist and driver (although not at the same time) and having been a motorcycle instructor ... it is about seeing and being seen and being respectful of other road users ... which includes pedestrians

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude!

Calm Doon

Cyclists don't pay road tax because a bike doesn't wear down/mess up roads

Cyclists get hurt and killed by drivers every day.

It's helping to save the planet.

Most are responsible road users, some aren't.

If you're so concerned about the amount of tax/petrol etc get a bike, it'll save you a fortune

OK I accept that it isnt Road Tax anymore but a vehicle tax (probably my age...old enough to remember when it was a road tax).

Im not actually concerned about the cost of vehicle tax or petrol they are simply part of motoring costs and I actually agree about the environmental benefits what I was asking was:

Is it fair that everyone else has to have some form of driving test, insurance and if vehicle is over 3 years old some form of road worthiness test but cyclists dont need any of the above.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest

Absolutley agree. But a stupid cunt is a stupid cunt no matter which form of transport they choose.

This is a discussion not a swear fest! "

The beauty of fab forums is that you can fucking swear.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Dude!

Calm Doon

Cyclists don't pay road tax because a bike doesn't wear down/mess up roads

Cyclists get hurt and killed by drivers every day.

It's helping to save the planet.

Most are responsible road users, some aren't.

If you're so concerned about the amount of tax/petrol etc get a bike, it'll save you a fortune

OK I accept that it isnt Road Tax anymore but a vehicle tax (probably my age...old enough to remember when it was a road tax).

Im not actually concerned about the cost of vehicle tax or petrol they are simply part of motoring costs and I actually agree about the environmental benefits what I was asking was:

Is it fair that everyone else has to have some form of driving test, insurance and if vehicle is over 3 years old some form of road worthiness test but cyclists dont need any of the above. "

Yes, they're a tiny minority. Cut them some slack. The roads would be a far safer place without any of us car drivers. If you feel like they hold you up, leave earlier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you've never done speeding OP?

Never chanced your arm at a traffic signal?

Never ignored a stop sign?

You're a holier than holy, never ever ever broken a traffic regulation type of driver?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're going to use the public highway when it's dark at least have the sense to put some lights on and mabey a hiviz vest

Absolutley agree. But a stupid cunt is a stupid cunt no matter which form of transport they choose. "

And this is actually the problem....

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are.

Does "road traffic law" apply on cycle paths?

Don't make me laugh, other law abiding road users.

Stand beside any road or junction,bridge anywhere there's car's.

Give it probably less than five minutes and guaranteed you will see many breaking the law.

Using phones, speeding, illegal manoeuvres, littering, not tax or insurance, car's unfit for usage, people with defective light's....

I could go on.

Don't make out car drivers are saints and all cyclists are the devil.

I however agree they, lights, helmets and high visibility clothing should be compulsory.

However who is going to enforce all of this?

How many police do you see out and about these days??

Hardly any

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Aw man, the hate for cyclists

SOME of them behave like knobs.

You rather them drive and have another car clogging up the roads and using parking spaces?

I understand the thinking behind the fine. Seems way too strict to me. I noticed it's the same with lollipop ladies (or guys). I can see myself easily contravening one of these rules by mistake and being slapped with a draconian fine I can't afford...

No No No to tax and insurance. I believe people who make the effort to cycle instead of drive should get to reap the benefits.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Dude!

Calm Doon

Cyclists don't pay road tax because a bike doesn't wear down/mess up roads

Cyclists get hurt and killed by drivers every day.

It's helping to save the planet.

Most are responsible road users, some aren't.

If you're so concerned about the amount of tax/petrol etc get a bike, it'll save you a fortune

OK I accept that it isnt Road Tax anymore but a vehicle tax (probably my age...old enough to remember when it was a road tax).

Im not actually concerned about the cost of vehicle tax or petrol they are simply part of motoring costs and I actually agree about the environmental benefits what I was asking was:

Is it fair that everyone else has to have some form of driving test, insurance and if vehicle is over 3 years old some form of road worthiness test but cyclists dont need any of the above. "

But a push bike with a wobbly wheel isn't about to take out a family on a motorway like a car could if it was not road worthy!

Bikes are pretty basic and don't need a lot of up keep, it's how they are ridden that causes the problems.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Aw man, the hate for cyclists

SOME of them behave like knobs.

You rather them drive and have another car clogging up the roads and using parking spaces?

No No No to tax and insurance. I believe people who make the effort to cycle instead of drive should get to reap the benefits."

However ... yes to helmets away the very least ... the same arguments were had in the 70s when motorbike helmets were made compulsory ... yet the lives they have saved since ...

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Short of all women and BBWs. You don’t go after cyclists on here OP.

Delete delete delete "

Fat birds on bikes.... nightmare stuff!

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Short of all women and BBWs. You don’t go after cyclists on here OP.

Delete delete delete

Fat birds on bikes.... nightmare stuff!

Made money for Queen

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Our son wouldn't be here right now if he hadn't been wearing a helmet when some ditzy twat who was too busy talking to her mate decided to t bone him at a junction flipping him over causing him to land on a kerb headfirst.

Btw. He had lights high Viz and was riding in the designated cycle lane.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Our son wouldn't be here right now if he hadn't been wearing a helmet when some ditzy twat who was too busy talking to her mate decided to t bone him at a junction flipping him over causing him to land on a kerb headfirst.

Btw. He had lights high Viz and was riding in the designated cycle lane."

More provision needs to be made so law abiding motorists can keep up with "insta" when on route to the nail bar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what age?

From whatever age legal responsibility for causing an accident or criminal damage is. 16 is it?

So 15 year-olds don't need to. Cool. What if the cyclist is on cycle path?

Underaged children are exempt from many laws. What about if they're on a cycle path? If they break road traffic law as a cyclist, it shouldn't matter where in public they are.

Does "road traffic law" apply on cycle paths?

Don't make me laugh, other law abiding road users.

Stand beside any road or junction,bridge anywhere there's car's.

Give it probably less than five minutes and guaranteed you will see many breaking the law.

Using phones, speeding, illegal manoeuvres, littering, not tax or insurance, car's unfit for usage, people with defective light's....

I could go on.

Don't make out car drivers are saints and all cyclists are the devil.

I however agree they, lights, helmets and high visibility clothing should be compulsory.

However who is going to enforce all of this?

How many police do you see out and about these days??

Hardly any"

Well, that's why I put "law-abiding" in brackets with an exclamation mark. and you're right - many vehicle users do break the law, but they are at least identifiable by a registration number. Yes, there are fewer police on the roads, but that doesn't stop members of the public reporting road-traffic crimes and give police a registration number to follow up on, in the fullness of time. If a pedestrian is hit by a cyclist, and it does happen, the cyclist can ride off with impunity. Bikes can go quite fast - 20mph? Being hit by a 12 stone guy on a bike going at 20mph is probably more than a little uncomfortable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

There hasn’t been a road tax since 1932, it’s an emissions tax, cyclists don’t produce emissions hence why they don’t pay. But well done on your sweeping generalisations, most cyclists are motorists too, there’s wankers in all walks of life, playing the us and then game is lazy and predictable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who says most cyclists are drivers too ? That's a generalisation

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I wonder how much vehicle tax will rise to when the cost of all the additional traffic police is calculated. I also think that the OP and anyone who agrees with him should be sent to inner cities to help them hand out fines to cyclists not adhering to the new rules... Plus stopping all the kids who look *nearly* of age. Should be fun.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So you've never done speeding OP?

Never chanced your arm at a traffic signal?

Never ignored a stop sign?

You're a holier than holy, never ever ever broken a traffic regulation type of driver? "

I can say I dont speed, I dont amber gamble and yes I stop at stop signs. I certainly wouldnt say I'm a holier than holy driver by any means but I was an engineer on the road for 30 years and couldnt afford to break the rules and risk my licence so yes I do follow the rules up to and including the new 1.5m rule.

People seem to think I have something against cyclists actually I dont and yes there are just as many bad drivers, motorcyclists and pedestrians who break the rules as there are cyclists. I dont I'm simply asking if its fair that they dont have to have what every other road user does, and regarding the new rule which I do agree keeps them safer doesnt apply both ways. I personally thank god have never had an accident with a cyclist but I do know someone who had a cyclist run into the side of his car and cause dents and scratches that he had to claim for to repair. But unlike if a car or motorbike had caused the damage and he could claim against their insurance he had to claim against his own, how is that fair in any way?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Who says most cyclists are drivers too ? That's a generalisation "

That's true my daughter's only 10. It must be soooo annoying for drivers to try and pass her at 1.5 meters rather than passing her elbow at 40mph....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was 11 I did my cycling proficiency at primary, could I remember any of that now if I was to start cycling, nope! I’d read up on it though if I was going to.

I do think if you are a cyclists when you reach a certain age then you should have to just go through the basics, especially if you are riding through built up areas etc, not saying a test that you have to pass (I mean we all passed when we were 11, even fat old me that couldn’t get up the hill!) but one that teaches you road safety (if you haven’t passed your driving test that is), for the safety of all road users, maybe fewer accidents may occur.

Danish x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government won’t make cycling harder to do by insisting that people be insured taxed and licenced.

They want more people on bikes, more people on bikes means less people in cars. There are too many cars on the road and the infrastructure can’t handle it, they are creating cycle ways and shutting access to motorised transport to city centres.

While increasing the cost of owning and operating a car, increase in fuel tax increase in vehicle excise duty (road tax to you lot) increase in pollution and congestion charges.

20 years time no one will be able to afford to own and drive a car and even if you could you couldn’t drive it cos either every where will be restricted or just too damn congested.

It’ll be public transport or your push bike

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't let my 10 year old daughter cycle on a busy road !

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"So you've never done speeding OP?

Never chanced your arm at a traffic signal?

Never ignored a stop sign?

You're a holier than holy, never ever ever broken a traffic regulation type of driver?

Dents AND scratches!! Oh no!! I hadn't realised how serious things had got! Did he suffer PTSD?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"So you've never done speeding OP?

Never chanced your arm at a traffic signal?

Never ignored a stop sign?

You're a holier than holy, never ever ever broken a traffic regulation type of driver?

But as was said earlier ^^

The majority of funding for roads, certainly local roads comes from councils via the council tax .. vehicle excise duty goes into the general taxation pot. Anyone who owns or rents a home is liable for council tax .. unless they are recognised as exempt so ... and this may sound like a generalisation but in this case it works ... most people motorists or cyclists do pay for the roads ... not the same, as it depends upon your house's value and where you live in the country, but pay they do

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I wouldn't let my 10 year old daughter cycle on a busy road !"

Neither would i. But it's perfectly legal.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Road Traffic Act states that all powered vehicles require suitable insurance. Most cycling organisations such as the BCF RTTC and the CTC offer insurance cover as part of the membership. You can get cover also as part of your house insurance.

Road tax was abolished in the 1930's, it is vehicle excise duty. This is based on the emissions coming from a vehicles exhaust, no motor no emissions.

As for MOT, there is no documented test, however you can get fined or you bicycle confiscated for being unroad worthy. If you cause an injury due to your bike not being fit to be on the roads you can get prosecuted for it.

As for driving license, that worked well for car drivers. I see loads on the roads, that clearly do not give a fuck about rules or got someone else to pass the test for them.

They are one sided as to protect vulnerable road users, I have yet to see terrorists use bicycles to carry out an attack. Yet the cars and lorries used, seem to work very well for them.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"So you've never done speeding OP?

Never chanced your arm at a traffic signal?

Never ignored a stop sign?

You're a holier than holy, never ever ever broken a traffic regulation type of driver?

Dents AND scratches!! Oh no!! I hadn't realised how serious things had got! Did he suffer PTSD?"

But steady on ... whereas I see both sides ... damage is still damage... where there's blame there's a claim

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

Some cars pay no road tax. I pay £1000 a year. Don’t make me any better than anyone!

90% of cyclists have no brains. Yes I just said that. !

If one cuts me up or does anything stupid near me I make no effort to correct my course there problem not mine.! When they give me abuse I point at my dash cam! and say what that fuck you going to do about it. I also do it with other traffic. If you can respect the roads I have no respect for you. Simple.

Then I put them on YouTube.

Why do they all dressed in black Lycra. So easy to see not. Oh that’s why they all think there on the sky team.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

We have a hybrid and don't pay road tax

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" I wonder how much vehicle tax will rise to when the cost of all the additional traffic police is calculated. I also think that the OP and anyone who agrees with him should be sent to inner cities to help them hand out fines to cyclists not adhering to the new rules... Plus stopping all the kids who look *nearly* of age.

Should be fun.

You are entitled to think what you like...thats what free speech is about. Just as I'm entitled to think that If you use the roads then you should have to adhere to the same rules as everyone else.

And please explain to me what would be 'fun' about sending someone into an inner city to hand out 'fines' and also what those fines would be for as I dont think I mentioned fining anybody for anything.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Yes I agree, if a car needs to give a bike 1m, then the bike should give the car 1m and not be able to bring the bike between two cars where their wing mirrors are nearly touching and they have to walk it through etc.

The fact they have no licence or test makes them totally unpredictable on the road which makes it dangerous.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I wouldn't let my 10 year old daughter cycle on a busy road !

Neither would i. But it's perfectly legal. "

And that's the issue isn't it.

In an ideal world there's no reason why she shouldn't ride along a busy road .

However it's not other cyclists that are a danger to her it's car's, lorries etc...

So how is this the fault of the cyclists OP??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The gap when overtaking a bike is how it should be. Many cars and other vehicles leave no room and nearly knock cyclists off.

Lots of road cyclists have their own public liability insurance. If they also own another vehicle, when they’re cycling instead they are causing less wear and tear, zero pollution. That helps us all doesn’t it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not sure why there is so much hatred of cyclists, yes some of them are nobs but how does that differ from how some people get when they get behind the wheel.

People need to think that every person on a push bike is one less person in a car.

This means one less car stuck in front of you in a traffic jam.

People should be happy that there are people one bikes means more space for cars

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"On the subject of the 1.5 meter passing distance. If a bicycle hits your car due to passing too close, is the driver likely to die or suffer life changing injuries? "

Will the bike riders insurance go up to pay for the scratch? Also I know a woman who suffered life changing injuries due to a bike running a red light. It took them two years to learn to walk again, and they will need a cane/walking frame for the rest of their life.

How many videos are on youtube of cyclists hitting wing mirrors off and just cycling away?

I know for a fact they hit pedestrians on a regular basis and just cycle off. The kind of stuff that can get a driver thrown in jail.

I wouldnt mind, but even tip a cyclist and they put in a claim for personal injuries, lost earnings, a new bike blah blah blah.

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

I always go out my way to give anything bike horse mobility scooters. Room if I am going near to them, or overtaking them.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I had a squirrel run across the road in front of me once.

Bastard wasn't wearing a high Viz!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always remember the case of Alex McVitty (aged 26) who was run over and killed by a concrete lorry turning left that didn’t see her. Cemex did a lot afterwards to prevent it happening again. Her mother won an OBE for the campaigning she did around cyclist safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"I had a squirrel run across the road in front of me once.

Bastard wasn't wearing a high Viz!"
lmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a cyclist . There is a test that you do but it’s when your in school so for me it’s over 20 years ago now, I do think that you should have to pass some sort of test not so much a licence just like the Highway Code make sure one has knowledge etc. Personally I hate riding on the road because it makes me nervous

Mrscxxx

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I wouldn't let my 10 year old daughter cycle on a busy road !

Neither would i. But it's perfectly legal.

And that's the issue isn't it.

In an ideal world there's no reason why she shouldn't ride along a busy road .

However it's not other cyclists that are a danger to her it's car's, lorries etc...

So how is this the fault of the cyclists OP??"

I have never said its the cyclists who are at fault all I asked is: Is it fair that cyclists dont have to have the same things every other road user does. I choose to drive a car therefore I will have to pay Vehicle Excise Duty, Insurance and have a valid Mot that I have to pay for every year. But its not my choice to do so I have no choice in that because its the law. Cyclists choose to cycle thats their choice but the difference is the law doesnt make them pay for the same things that I have to. So, again how is this fair?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I was 11 I did my cycling proficiency at primary, could I remember any of that now if I was to start cycling, nope! I’d read up on it though if I was going to.

Danish x"

I totally agree with that mrscxxx

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I had a squirrel run across the road in front of me once.

Bastard wasn't wearing a high Viz!"

Hope you didn’t hurt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving."

A patient person like myself will make a note of your bike. Then when I next see you when I am cycling along, I will knock you off the bike then ride off into the sunset. Done it a few times as well, I usually put something through the front wheel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving."

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

I’m not suggesting anyone should hit anyone with anything I’m merely pointing out a close pass on a push bike is entirely different than a close pass in a car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

That is deeply disturbing I fell off my bike yesterday it was no ones fault but my own the wind caught me and I went over the handle bars. I’m very sore today because of it. You could cause some one a nasty injury by doing something like that, if you are a cyclist you would know that yourself

Mrscxxx

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

Where I live there’s a really long hill. They come flying down it. And obviously slow on the way up. When they ride two or more aside each other causes havoc holding up traffic. I have a special trick for them” I overtake slow down. Then floor my dirty diesel see them in a big black cloud. They soon go single file and stop.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

Mrscxxx "

I totally agree whilst I may think cyclists should have to have some form of road test and pay VED Insurance and have an Mot. At no point whatsoever even as a joke would I suggest hurting another person deliberately.

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up."

This

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

I dont need your permission and you dont need to accept liabiity for me to win a claim.

As for my scenario, you stopped and gave me your insurance info.

Also for my scenario, it was me on the bike not you and I cycled off not you.

So did not imply anything other than that. I implied I would cycle off after kicking your wing mirror off, because youtube is full of videos of it happening. Probably happened 100 times today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

Mrscxxx

I don’t agree with the mot but road tax and insurance and even a license may be a good thing I have looked into renewing my cycling thing I can’t spell but a lone cyclist isn’t able u have to part of a club

Mrscxxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

This

Probably showing my age here but I always feel when someone has to start swearing and telling another adult to grow up they have somehow lost the argument.

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

This

Probably showing my age here but I always feel when someone has to start swearing and telling another adult to grow up they have somehow lost the argument."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

Mrscxxx

Mrscxxx "

That in and of itself is quite disturbing...imagine having to be part of a car motoring club to take a driving test.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

I dont need your permission and you dont need to accept liabiity for me to win a claim.

As for my scenario, you stopped and gave me your insurance info.

Also for my scenario, it was me on the bike not you and I cycled off not you.

So did not imply anything other than that. I implied I would cycle off after kicking your wing mirror off, because youtube is full of videos of it happening. Probably happened 100 times today."

I ride bikes motorbikes and drive cars, I’ve had more trouble with people in cars than people on push bikes

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over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

Mrscxxx

That in and of itself is quite disturbing...imagine having to be part of a car motoring club to take a driving test."

Exactly I do believe we should have to do something like the cbt I did that wen I was 16! I got a motorbike for my 16th yes I was a spoilt child lol but still they should definitely extend that to cyclists

Mrscxxx

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over a year ago

I don't cycle or drive a car or motorbike but I would think the laws of the road/pavement are there to try to stop people being killed.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Cyclists alway say about their safety, which I agree with but they seem to think it is everyone else's responsibility.

Often no lights and dark clothing.

I have seen cyclists, cycle behind reversing lorries, haven riden past the safety guy and then shout at the lorry driver.

I have also seen them cycle past police officers stopping traffic because they think they are exempt from the rules of the road.

To stop the screaming, it's vehicle excise licence not road tax and the age of criminal responsibility is 10 years of age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

I dont need your permission and you dont need to accept liabiity for me to win a claim.

As for my scenario, you stopped and gave me your insurance info.

Also for my scenario, it was me on the bike not you and I cycled off not you.

So did not imply anything other than that. I implied I would cycle off after kicking your wing mirror off, because youtube is full of videos of it happening. Probably happened 100 times today."

And this is why cyclists should have head cameras some road users deliberately go out of the way to scare cyclists and it’s disgusting one driver got really close to me the other day I was petrified

Mrscxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive a black cab in central London and the cycle lanes are hardly used and and as cause massive amounts of traffic all over London am a cyclist as well before anyone says anything and also the amount of bike uses that jump red lights is effrick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Cyclists alway say about their safety, which I agree with but they seem to think it is everyone else's responsibility.

Often no lights and dark clothing.

I have seen cyclists, cycle behind reversing lorries, haven riden past the safety guy and then shout at the lorry driver.

I have also seen them cycle past police officers stopping traffic because they think they are exempt from the rules of the road.

To stop the screaming, it's vehicle excise licence not road tax and the age of criminal responsibility is 10 years of age."

I always wear high vis clothing and have lights on my bike and my helmet

Mrscxxx

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

" Cyclists alway say about their safety, which I agree with but they seem to think it is everyone else's responsibility.

Often no lights and dark clothing.

I have seen cyclists, cycle behind reversing lorries, haven riden past the safety guy and then shout at the lorry driver.

I have also seen them cycle past police officers stopping traffic because they think they are exempt from the rules of the road.

To stop the screaming, it's vehicle excise licence not road tax and the age of criminal responsibility is 10 years of age.

I always wear high vis clothing and have lights on my bike and my helmet

Mrscxxx "
one of the 10%

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

I dont need your permission and you dont need to accept liabiity for me to win a claim.

As for my scenario, you stopped and gave me your insurance info.

Also for my scenario, it was me on the bike not you and I cycled off not you.

So did not imply anything other than that. I implied I would cycle off after kicking your wing mirror off, because youtube is full of videos of it happening. Probably happened 100 times today.

Mrscxxx "

Now that could be a great idea but for everyone. If every road user had to have either a dash or head cam that the police could review and prosecute off I think the roads would be a lot safer for everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's why I cycle on footpaths, don't need no mental drivers who think they own the road to run me over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up."

VED is the current road tax, and is collected by the government from motorists. Currently this totals to 4x the annual amount used on roads and public network systems (2017 government figures). I don't think you can use the argument that those paying income tax are paying for the roads.

OP I agree I do think cyclists should have insurance, personal and public liability TP minimum, fully comp ideally and should have taken a proficient test irrespective of age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For those people complaining about the 1.5m rule for passing a cyclist, and that it should be the same both ways.

Come and stand in the road and I’ll drive past you and clip you with the wing mirror on my Land Rover at 20mph

We will then repeat the exercise where I ride past you on my push bike and tap you as I go past.

Then we will compare how much piss came out of you during each.

You can then tell me if it’s the same thing

Of course its not the same thing, because if you clip me in your landrover I will put in a claim on your insurance.

If I take off your wing mirror on my bike, you wont be able to put in a claim as I will just cycle off waving.

So what makes you think if I’m the sort of person that would cycle off waving that I would be the sort of person that would accept responsibility if I clipped you with my wing mirror.

You would put in a claim I would say nah mate didn’t happen the insurance would say prove it.

You’d be fucked, unless you could prove it.

I dont need your permission and you dont need to accept liabiity for me to win a claim.

As for my scenario, you stopped and gave me your insurance info.

Also for my scenario, it was me on the bike not you and I cycled off not you.

So did not imply anything other than that. I implied I would cycle off after kicking your wing mirror off, because youtube is full of videos of it happening. Probably happened 100 times today.

Mrscxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's why I cycle on footpaths, don't need no mental drivers who think they own the road to run me over

Honestly I hate cycling on the roads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where I live there’s a really long hill. They come flying down it. And obviously slow on the way up. When they ride two or more aside each other causes havoc holding up traffic. I have a special trick for them” I overtake slow down. Then floor my dirty diesel see them in a big black cloud. They soon go single file and stop. "

I fell on a hill yesterday so I don’t think that’s very nice of you sir

Mrscxxx

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Short of all women and BBWs. You don’t go after cyclists on here OP.

Delete delete delete

Fat birds on bikes.... nightmare stuff!

Made money for Queen

Exactly, fat bottomed cyclists make the rockin' world go round lol!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Sounds like a income stream generator to me, trip 'em up and fine their tight asses!! I watched one cycle down a one way street early this morning....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some cars pay no road tax. I pay £1000 a year. Don’t make me any better than anyone!

90% of cyclists have no brains. Yes I just said that. !

Then I put them on YouTube.

Why do they all dressed in black Lycra. So easy to see not. Oh that’s why they all think there on the sky team. "

90% of cyclists have no brains you know how fucking stupid that statement makes you sound. I have full car license motor cycle license and cycle lots. I was knocked off my pushbike by shitty driver who couldn’t be bothered to look the fuck where he was going and I still haven’t heard from his insurance. Lots of drivers hate cyclists and motor cyclists for no real reason other than jealousy as they get stuck in jams while two wheel vehicles don’t. Make all drivers spend time cycling before they get a license so they can see things from the other side. Oh and I can user you I have plenty of brains Thanks !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate cyclists in cities. ignore every rule there is (do they even know what a red light is?) and then moan when one of them gets hit which is usually caused by their own stupidity. The middle aged men in lycra cycling groups are fine it's the couriers, delivery cyclists, general city fuckwits that get me.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"What the fuck is wrong with people? There's no such thing as road tax! If you pay income tax you're paying for the roads! Plus most cyclists also own cars. Fucking grow up.

This

Probably showing my age here but I always feel when someone has to start swearing and telling another adult to grow up they have somehow lost the argument."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hate cyclists in cities. ignore every rule there is (do they even know what a red light is?) and then moan when one of them gets hit which is usually caused by their own stupidity. The middle aged men in lycra cycling groups are fine it's the couriers, delivery cyclists, general city fuckwits that get me.

Yeah, let’s get all those cyclists to drive cars instead, so the roads are even more gridlocked and your stuck in traffic even longer on your commute. Oh, what do you mean you didn’t think of that ?!

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you misinterpreted my post. I have not said cyclists should be removed from the road. I have said I dislike the way many behave in the cities. They could start by learning and obeying the highway code and being respectful to others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes just follow the Highway Code that’s all I ask for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cycle, I have insurance (that covers public liability and damage), I wear high visibility clothing, my bike is very well maintained.

I also drive - as above ... without the high visibility clothing.

I see more arsehole drivers than I do arsehole cyclists, I see more damage (minor/major and fatal) done my drivers, I see more near misses caused by drivers against cyclists than I do cyclists against drivers.

I can also suggest that you will not see a cyclist applying make up, talking on their phone, changing the radio station or anything other than paying full attention to the road. Why? Because they know damn well their life depends on it.

Also if a bike hits a car there may be some superficial damage to the car (which a cyclist should pay for rather than ride off waving), if a car hits a bike then the damage is probably going to be fatal and the drive can still drive off into the distance waving.

Should cyclists pay compulsory insurance and have a certificate of road worthiness? There is some weight to that argument and I would be happy to weigh the pros and cons up.

However to talk about knocking cyclists off their bikes, pushing something through their front wheel or deliberately causing them to have a potentially life threaten accident ... that is sickening. I am appealed at some people’s comments on this post.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"I always remember the case of Alex McVitty (aged 26) who was run over and killed by a concrete lorry turning left that didn’t see her. Cemex did a lot afterwards to prevent it happening again. Her mother won an OBE for the campaigning she did around cyclist safety. "

There was equally the case of Charlie Alliston killing Kim Briggs and prosecuted for "wanton and furious driving" jailed for a mere 18 months for killing a person ... there are examples of wrong doing on all sides

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's one subject that will always get the biggest response usually by many not reading the question but have answer to try and fit the subject.

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Maybe if everyone on the road was just a tad more patient and considerate to each other it wouldn't be an issue.

You get cyclists and drivers on phones, without lights, using unsafe vehicles, using headphones, under the influence, running red lights etc

Just think everyone needs to be respectful whilst on the road.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Maybe if everyone on the road was just a tad more patient and considerate to each other it wouldn't be an issue.

You get cyclists and drivers on phones, without lights, using unsafe vehicles, using headphones, under the influence, running red lights etc

Just think everyone needs to be respectful whilst on the road. "

That's borderline heresy I tell ya

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some cyclists, like some drivers, shouldn't be on the road. Can't put them all in the same bracket.

Like everything there is good and bad.

Worst thing about cyclists for me is those who don't wear helmets. You have little protection as it is at least put one on!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I cycle, I have insurance (that covers public liability and damage), I wear high visibility clothing, my bike is very well maintained.

I also drive - as above ... without the high visibility clothing.

Should cyclists pay compulsory insurance and have a certificate of road worthiness? There is some weight to that argument and I would be happy to weigh the pros and cons up.

As I said previously I totally agree...I started this post a a simple question as to whether people think it fair thatcyclists should have to have some form of road test and pay VED, Insurance and have an Mot as other road users do. Call me naive but I never meant it to turn into a cyclist hate post. Again I will day quite unequivocally at no point whatsoever even as a joke would I suggest hurting another person deliberately, as you say that is both sickening and despicable

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By *r FirecrackerMan
over a year ago

London

Is anybody else here into swinging?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Is anybody else here into swinging?

Swinging bad motorists and cyclists from the jib?

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe if everyone on the road was just a tad more patient and considerate to each other it wouldn't be an issue.

You get cyclists and drivers on phones, without lights, using unsafe vehicles, using headphones, under the influence, running red lights etc

Just think everyone needs to be respectful whilst on the road.

That's borderline heresy I tell ya

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is anybody else here into swinging?

Swinging bad motorists and cyclists from the jib?

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By *r FirecrackerMan
over a year ago

London

"Is anybody else here into swinging?

Swinging bad motorists and cyclists from the jib?

Count me in

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"Some cars pay no road tax. I pay £1000 a year. Don’t make me any better than anyone!

90% of cyclists have no brains. Yes I just said that. !

Then I put them on YouTube.

Why do they all dressed in black Lycra. So easy to see not. Oh that’s why they all think there on the sky team.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Sometimes you read a thread.

Know you have valid & professional knowledge on the subject.

You could spend ages writing a well thought out, informative post

Sometimes, you actually don't bother because you know with exception of a few posters whatever you write, will either be ignored or lines taken out of context, twisted round & it's just not worth the aggro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I am a cyclist and a motorcyclist car and van! I just a stupid. Still 90% idiots. No brains. Proof in the pudding. Just sit a observe. All black Lycra now your saying there clever. "

I can only assume that after reading your posts you and seeing you cycle that you are in that 90%?

Your arrogance to other road users is baffling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

Gouges you could say a lot of this about pedestrians too lol

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Should be fun.

You are entitled to think what you like...thats what free speech is about. Just as I'm entitled to think that If you use the roads then you should have to adhere to the same rules as everyone else.

So how will enforce any new rules? All these school children that you want to be registered and hold insurance, wear helmets and yellow vests, how will you enforce this?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sometimes you read a thread.

Know you have valid & professional knowledge on the subject.

You could spend ages writing a well thought out, informative post

I for one would welcome your input whether you agree or disagree with me personally...thats what discussions are for to hear other people's points of view

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

" I am a cyclist and a motorcyclist car and van! I just a stupid. Still 90% idiots. No brains. Proof in the pudding. Just sit a observe. All black Lycra now your saying there clever.

I can only assume that after reading your posts you and seeing you cycle that you are in that 90%?

Your arrogance to other road users is baffling.

"
Arrogant maybe. As for putting up with dick cycling and other motors. You want to be a dick to me, expect it back be Be nice get nice back. Simple really!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think it takes a different kind of cyclist to tackle the traffic in London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive never seen a cyclist on a cycle path

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

What about "you must use cycle Lanes and cycle paths where available"? Coz they don't around here

Actually cycle lanes are not mandatory, cyclists are encouraged to use them when appropriate (to the cyclist). Maybe more would use them if people didn't park in them, drive in them, open their car doors across them... or if they weren't full of pot-holes and drain covers and maybe wide enough to actually fit a bike into.

I really don't understand why so many drivers have such hatred of cyclists, if they weren't on their bike... they'd be making the traffic jams longer, you should be thanking every cyclist for removing their car from the queue.

Also, as a cyclist and also a driver & motorcyclist... I believe that I'm paying the same if not more in the way of taxes and insurances as everyone else on the road.

Cal

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

A form of compulsory test and insurance should be brought in, and probably will be someday. Both for the safety of the cyclists and pedestrians (there have been pedestrians killed and seriously injured by cyclists).

But as no one pays “road tax” we pay emissions tax, and as cyclists produce no emmissions, it would be unfair to tax them like a car. They have just as much right to use the roads as motorists.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

" Cyclists alway say about their safety, which I agree with but they seem to think it is everyone else's responsibility.

Often no lights and dark clothing.

I have seen cyclists, cycle behind reversing lorries, haven riden past the safety guy and then shout at the lorry driver.

I have also seen them cycle past police officers stopping traffic because they think they are exempt from the rules of the road.

To stop the screaming, it's vehicle excise licence not road tax and the age of criminal responsibility is 10 years of age.

I always wear high vis clothing and have lights on my bike and my helmet

Mrscxxx "

Glad to hear it.

When ever I go out on my bike, I am the same.

I hate riding in London now, did it for years, don't now if I can help it.

The black cab drivers disregard every one, the cyclists are as bad and the pedestrians aren't much better.

The point I was trying to make, is that if I am not happy with my safety, I will do something about it.

A lot of cyclists have the attitude of "You could kill me with your car, you need to be more carefull."

At the same time they are riding recklessly.

You need to take responsibility for your own safety, I do on a bicycle and in my car as I did on my motorbike.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Ive never seen a cyclist on a cycle path

Maybe they need to wear more hi-viz?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Yes just follow the Highway Code that’s all I ask for "

What you mean like black cab drivers do?

Your avin a giraffe mate!

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

One of the reasons lots of cyclists don't use cycle path's is because it's frequently prone to fuckwits smashing bottles over it.

Usually thrown from car windows.

Then you get the dreaded dog walkers with 10m long lead's who think wuffy has the right to walk wherever the hell he chooses and if that means the lead is directly in your path then so be it.

So yes I use the road if possible.

Btw the use of cycle path's isn't compulsory it's optional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cycle paths are more dangerous than the roads.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

It probably doesn’t help when councils start adding bus lanes and cycle lanes to some roads that aren’t wide enough to accommodate them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A form of compulsory test and insurance should be brought in, and probably will be someday. Both for the safety of the cyclists and pedestrians (there have been pedestrians killed and seriously injured by cyclists).

But as no one pays “road tax” we pay emissions tax, and as cyclists produce no emmissions, it would be unfair to tax them like a car. They have just as much right to use the roads as motorists. "

VED isn't strictly an emission tax. Every vehicle even a new emission free vehicle pays VED. Currently at £130 for first year. That's now technically no to do with emissions. It has returned to another form of tax.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"It probably doesn’t help when councils start adding bus lanes and cycle lanes to some roads that aren’t wide enough to accommodate them. "

I agree, there is a road near our house with a cycle lane either side and not enough left room for two cars to pass... without driving in the bike lane

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By *iss behaving2019Woman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

They also think FOOT paths are there for them and pedestrian shopping areas are theirs! Yet purpose built " cycle paths are seldom used by cyclists!!

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

But as no one pays “road tax” we pay emissions tax, and as cyclists produce no emmissions, it would be unfair to tax them like a car. They have just as much right to use the roads as motorists.

It has changed, you are right. It seems to just be just diesels that pay different rates in the first year, petrol are all £140. But 0 emission cars don’t pay anything at all (according to the AA and DVLA websites).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vehicle tax. NOT road tax. "

Road fund licence/road tax or government rip off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else think that the current cyclist rules are totally one sided and are not fair to other (paying) road users.

The reason you have to give them so much space, is so you don't kill them when they need to avoid a pothole/obstacle. I don't begrudge them the space, as I wouldn't want their death on my conscience.

Only thing that annoys me is when there is a cycle lane, but they choose to ride on the road. I think if a cycle lane/path is there, they should HAVE to use it.

The tax is irrelevant, but maybe a public liability insurance should be looked at.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

This thread went totally away from the original fair or not question to a range of sweeping generalisations and accusations ..

Sometimes you have to love the forums

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"One of the reasons lots of cyclists don't use cycle path's is because it's frequently prone to fuckwits smashing bottles over it.

Usually thrown from car windows.

Then you get the dreaded dog walkers with 10m long lead's who think wuffy has the right to walk wherever the hell he chooses and if that means the lead is directly in your path then so be it.

So yes I use the road if possible.

Btw the use of cycle path's isn't compulsory it's optional."

Nailed it.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"One of the reasons lots of cyclists don't use cycle path's is because it's frequently prone to fuckwits smashing bottles over it.

Usually thrown from car windows.

Then you get the dreaded dog walkers with 10m long lead's who think wuffy has the right to walk wherever the hell he chooses and if that means the lead is directly in your path then so be it.

So yes I use the road if possible.

Btw the use of cycle path's isn't compulsory it's optional."

Jesus ... truly screwed here then

Sometimes driver, sometimes motorcyclist, sometimes cyclist and a dog owner ... who else can we find to blame ... thank (your diety here) we are nearly at the mighty 175

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Glad I'm giving up sweeping generalisations for lent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought we always had to give 1.5 metres of room. That or the width of a car?

As for jumping lights, it's actually safer for cyclists to do that because they can manoeuvre quickly before the cars have moved.

Instead of ranting about cyclists, think about how you, can ensure that you are driving safely and courteously for your own and everyone elses sake.

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the OP can use a bike for a month on are great cycle infrastructure and get back to us with his results, I’m sure he will have a very different opinion.

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By *trongbobMan
over a year ago

rochester

"Ive never seen a cyclist on a cycle path

That's probably because very often there are cars parked on the cycle lane

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