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"This is a waste of money. Why?" Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all." The trans issue isn't a left v right thing, by the way. There's plenty of left wing people, like me, who consider trans ideology to be regressive. | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. The trans issue isn't a left v right thing, by the way. There's plenty of left wing people, like me, who consider trans ideology to be regressive. " That's good for you. You are correct. Trans is not a right or left issue. It isn't an ideology either. I didn't say that. I said it is being used by the left. Anyway, that was one sentence in my post and you jumped on that. What about the rest of what i said? | |||
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"They will win every fight vs women. " Bit of a generalisation.. | |||
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"They will win every fight vs women. Bit of a generalisation.." Agreed ronda rousey would destroy most guys on the planet fact | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. The trans issue isn't a left v right thing, by the way. There's plenty of left wing people, like me, who consider trans ideology to be regressive. That's good for you. You are correct. Trans is not a right or left issue. It isn't an ideology either. I didn't say that. I said it is being used by the left. Anyway, that was one sentence in my post and you jumped on that. What about the rest of what i said? " What I mean by trans ideology is the metaphysical ideas that most trans activists appear to hold: that gender is somehow innate, that there are no real differences between biological women and trans women, that sort of thing. I disagree with that metaphysics in the same way I disagree with religious metaphysics. Which is quite consistent to respecting both religious and trans people and wanting them to live lives free of prejudice and harassment. So whilst I don't agree with the trans belief system, I don't object to society reasonably accommodating people for whom this is a massive part of who they are, if it can be done without harming others. | |||
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"I just saw on the news that one is going to open this week, whats your view? I reckon it is good news." Probably an idea worth exploring, yes. Strange how the news report this morning concentrated on the fact that a trans person had attacked a female prisoner...as if this was the idea for it....I mean it's not as if attacks take place in prison at any other time, is it?! | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. The trans issue isn't a left v right thing, by the way. There's plenty of left wing people, like me, who consider trans ideology to be regressive. That's good for you. You are correct. Trans is not a right or left issue. It isn't an ideology either. I didn't say that. I said it is being used by the left. Anyway, that was one sentence in my post and you jumped on that. What about the rest of what i said? What I mean by trans ideology is the metaphysical ideas that most trans activists appear to hold: that gender is somehow innate, that there are no real differences between biological women and trans women, that sort of thing. I disagree with that metaphysics in the same way I disagree with religious metaphysics. Which is quite consistent to respecting both religious and trans people and wanting them to live lives free of prejudice and harassment. So whilst I don't agree with the trans belief system, I don't object to society reasonably accommodating people for whom this is a massive part of who they are, if it can be done without harming others. " I see where you are coming from now.  | |||
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"Ever since the rapist changed his sex and abused women in the womens prison when moved there, well they had to come up with a solution. I think its silly, they are criminals, I dont give a fuck if they beat each other to death. Prisons are meant to keep us safe, sick of following the rules, its not easy, and having to worry about people who break the rules. Fuck them. If a few innocent people get beaten in jail, so what, anything to keep prison a punishment." Prison is also to rehabilitate and return offenders to society in a safe manner. Not saying it works, just saying what it should do. Maybe ship em all off to an island and let them kill each other? | |||
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"I just saw on the news that one is going to open this week, whats your view? I reckon it is good news. Probably an idea worth exploring, yes. Strange how the news report this morning concentrated on the fact that a trans person had attacked a female prisoner...as if this was the idea for it....I mean it's not as if attacks take place in prison at any other time, is it?!" Male prisoners are unlikely to end up pregnant after an attack. | |||
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"Prison is also to rehabilitate and return offenders to society in a safe manner. Not saying it works, just saying what it should do. Maybe ship em all off to an island and let them kill each other?" I know you're joking, but I wouldn't mind if they all killed each other on an island, the streaming rights for it could fill prop the economy up after brexit. I personally do not believe in rehabilitation of adults, that is something they should embark on themselves and not something we should pay to have done for them as it cant be forced on people. | |||
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"They will win every fight vs women. Bit of a generalisation.." But it's an extreamly relivant genralization. I put money where mouth is... genrally it's not an equal/fair competition. | |||
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"Great idea to protect the vulnerable on all sides of the prison system. " That is right and yes it is | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all." I don't need, anyone to work with me. I am what I am. I have no whims. If someone has a problem with me they can always cross the road. | |||
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"Probably the only solution. You certainly can’t put them in a woman’s prison and they obviously don’t want to be in the men’s. " I don’t suppose most of the men want to go in the men’s either. I’m not sure on this one to be honest. So would they get a choice with which prison? Can they decide they don’t like this one and ask to go to a men’s prison? | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all." They do recognise transgender prisoners but they also recognise than managing them in a 2 sex system is not workable. They are not safe in the make estate and, depending on their index offence, pose a risk to those in the female estate. Your views on this bring a purely psychological phenomenon are intruiging. Do you say the same as those who are gay or bi? | |||
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"Trans prisoners are housed in a separate wing away from the general population, they are escorted to their jobs by screws and do everything separately to the general population, so it's a complete waste of money, the money would be better spent helping prisoners once they leave prison yo find accommodation and jobs which in turn would reduce reoffending " Not strictly true. They may be housed on wings for vulnerable prisoners but I doubt there are enough at any one prison to warrant having their own wing. | |||
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"I'm thinking if I'm ever about to be arrested and have to do some bird, I'll buy some high heels and change my name to Phyllis." And this is the reason why you cam never have a reasoned debate on this subject! It's also the reason why this unit is needed. Some men think they'll get an easier time in the female estate. They also think they'll get access to naked women and often babies this way (not saying the person I quoted would think that way, I know it was an attempt at a joke!) | |||
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"They will win every fight vs women. Bit of a generalisation.." but thats what people do with trans people  | |||
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"is there a wing for swingers?" lets face their more vulnerable than trans people | |||
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"is there a wing for swingers? lets face their more vulnerable than trans people" I mean more ridiculed  | |||
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"is there a wing for swingers? lets face their more vulnerable than trans people I mean more ridiculed "Its time for your nap | |||
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"Trans prisoners are housed in a separate wing away from the general population, they are escorted to their jobs by screws and do everything separately to the general population, so it's a complete waste of money, the money would be better spent helping prisoners once they leave prison yo find accommodation and jobs which in turn would reduce reoffending Not strictly true. They may be housed on wings for vulnerable prisoners but I doubt there are enough at any one prison to warrant having their own wing. " They are placed onto a VP wing, which includes sex offenders, the wings are very secure with an abundance of staff, I don't understand why they should have their own specialist unit, like any other part of society there will always be vulnerable people, the amount of mentally I'll people in prison is frightening but the waiting time for specialist units is ridiculous, trans prisoners are not at any greater risk than any other prisoner, yes there will be bullying but again everyone is subjected to that, provision is made for trans people (you can buy make up and other similar products on the weekly canteen, what we must remember is that they have committed a crime and they need to face the consequences, of course there safety is paramount but this is already being provided in separate wings for vulnerable prisoners | |||
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"I'm thinking if I'm ever about to be arrested and have to do some bird, I'll buy some high heels and change my name to Phyllis. And this is the reason why you cam never have a reasoned debate on this subject! It's also the reason why this unit is needed. Some men think they'll get an easier time in the female estate. They also think they'll get access to naked women and often babies this way (not saying the person I quoted would think that way, I know it was an attempt at a joke!) " Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. Plus points if you know who Phyllis Hunt was | |||
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"I think it's the only feasible solution for housing male bodied people who consider themselves to be women. " | |||
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"I'm thinking if I'm ever about to be arrested and have to do some bird, I'll buy some high heels and change my name to Phyllis. And this is the reason why you cam never have a reasoned debate on this subject! It's also the reason why this unit is needed. Some men think they'll get an easier time in the female estate. They also think they'll get access to naked women and often babies this way (not saying the person I quoted would think that way, I know it was an attempt at a joke!) Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. Plus points if you know who Phyllis Hunt was "A character from prisoner she had a lot to do with Reb Keane. | |||
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"Trans prisoners are housed in a separate wing away from the general population, they are escorted to their jobs by screws and do everything separately to the general population, so it's a complete waste of money, the money would be better spent helping prisoners once they leave prison yo find accommodation and jobs which in turn would reduce reoffending Not strictly true. They may be housed on wings for vulnerable prisoners but I doubt there are enough at any one prison to warrant having their own wing. They are placed onto a VP wing, which includes sex offenders, the wings are very secure with an abundance of staff, I don't understand why they should have their own specialist unit, like any other part of society there will always be vulnerable people, the amount of mentally I'll people in prison is frightening but the waiting time for specialist units is ridiculous, trans prisoners are not at any greater risk than any other prisoner, yes there will be bullying but again everyone is subjected to that, provision is made for trans people (you can buy make up and other similar products on the weekly canteen, what we must remember is that they have committed a crime and they need to face the consequences, of course there safety is paramount but this is already being provided in separate wings for vulnerable prisoners " But in their mind they are females being kept in a make prison. This isn't just about safety it's also about decency which is something they aren't always afforded currently. They have faced the consequences. Their liberty has been taken from them. They are removed from their loved ones. Why should we punish them further? | |||
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"I'm thinking if I'm ever about to be arrested and have to do some bird, I'll buy some high heels and change my name to Phyllis. And this is the reason why you cam never have a reasoned debate on this subject! It's also the reason why this unit is needed. Some men think they'll get an easier time in the female estate. They also think they'll get access to naked women and often babies this way (not saying the person I quoted would think that way, I know it was an attempt at a joke!) Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. Plus points if you know who Phyllis Hunt was A character from prisoner she had a lot to do with Reb Keane."Ahh I think I love you | |||
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"I'm thinking if I'm ever about to be arrested and have to do some bird, I'll buy some high heels and change my name to Phyllis. And this is the reason why you cam never have a reasoned debate on this subject! It's also the reason why this unit is needed. Some men think they'll get an easier time in the female estate. They also think they'll get access to naked women and often babies this way (not saying the person I quoted would think that way, I know it was an attempt at a joke!) Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. Plus points if you know who Phyllis Hunt was A character from prisoner she had a lot to do with Reb Keane.
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"Trans prisoners are housed in a separate wing away from the general population, they are escorted to their jobs by screws and do everything separately to the general population, so it's a complete waste of money, the money would be better spent helping prisoners once they leave prison yo find accommodation and jobs which in turn would reduce reoffending Not strictly true. They may be housed on wings for vulnerable prisoners but I doubt there are enough at any one prison to warrant having their own wing. They are placed onto a VP wing, which includes sex offenders, the wings are very secure with an abundance of staff, I don't understand why they should have their own specialist unit, like any other part of society there will always be vulnerable people, the amount of mentally I'll people in prison is frightening but the waiting time for specialist units is ridiculous, trans prisoners are not at any greater risk than any other prisoner, yes there will be bullying but again everyone is subjected to that, provision is made for trans people (you can buy make up and other similar products on the weekly canteen, what we must remember is that they have committed a crime and they need to face the consequences, of course there safety is paramount but this is already being provided in separate wings for vulnerable prisoners But in their mind they are females being kept in a make prison. This isn't just about safety it's also about decency which is something they aren't always afforded currently. They have faced the consequences. Their liberty has been taken from them. They are removed from their loved ones. Why should we punish them further? " I understand you saying "why should we punish then further" but what about all the other at risk groups in prison, why should trans get special treatment? Please don't think I have some sort of phobia, I don't, but I don't understand why they should receive special treatment. There are so many vulnerable prisoners, the old don't have special geriatric prisons, gay/bi don't have specialist prisons (and they get bullied terribly) I just don't think it's a precident that we should set | |||
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"They can't stay with men or women. It's unfair to put them with either. They will get abused by men... They will win every fight vs women. " Agreed. There was that fella who changed sex and then transferred to a woman’s prison only to sexually assault someone. This is definitely good news. | |||
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"Surely trans men should go to male prison and trans women should go to female prison? Why should they get their own private prisons I thought we were supposed to treat them the same as everyone else and recognise them as their chosen gender, equality and all that." im sure you have your own very special prison | |||
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"Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. loved Bea Lizzie Doreen Nola was great." Aww stop..I’m getting all nostalgic now, was a real soap opera with some of the worst acting but brilliant! | |||
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"Surely trans men should go to male prison and trans women should go to female prison? Why should they get their own private prisons I thought we were supposed to treat them the same as everyone else and recognise them as their chosen gender, equality and all that. im sure you have your own very special prison" Is it wrong to treat them equal to everyone else? Isn't that what they've always wanted? | |||
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"Surely trans men should go to male prison and trans women should go to female prison? Why should they get their own private prisons I thought we were supposed to treat them the same as everyone else and recognise them as their chosen gender, equality and all that. im sure you have your own very special prison Is it wrong to treat them equal to everyone else? Isn't that what they've always wanted?" Yes it is, when it effects women in a negative way. | |||
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"Surely trans men should go to male prison and trans women should go to female prison? Why should they get their own private prisons I thought we were supposed to treat them the same as everyone else and recognise them as their chosen gender, equality and all that. im sure you have your own very special prison Is it wrong to treat them equal to everyone else? Isn't that what they've always wanted?" why do you hide your face? | |||
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"Surely trans men should go to male prison and trans women should go to female prison? Why should they get their own private prisons I thought we were supposed to treat them the same as everyone else and recognise them as their chosen gender, equality and all that. im sure you have your own very special prison Is it wrong to treat them equal to everyone else? Isn't that what they've always wanted? Yes it is, when it effects women in a negative way. " Prison effects everyone in a negative way | |||
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"I just saw on the news that one is going to open this week, whats your view? I reckon it is good news." Fucking stupid idea, but as a nation we pander to minority groups in general I think in some cases but now in Prisons, it doesn't surprise me. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is" Exactly and if you're a man who's now a woman or the other way round it's an extra incentive not to be a scummy bastard that needs to be locked up to start with. | |||
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"Probably the only solution. You certainly can’t put them in a woman’s prison and they obviously don’t want to be in the men’s. " I don’t think it’s a matter of ‘wanting ‘ rather than safety! Prisons contain a large number of violent and occasionally bigoted people - almost certainly a much larger proportion than in the outside world! The punishment is incarceration - it’s the prison system’s responsibility to ensure that each gender/group is as safe as possible! | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is" Well done. You've worked jut his crime and punishment works! Shane that's not what's being discussed here but there you go | |||
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"Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. loved Bea Lizzie Doreen Nola was great. Aww stop..I’m getting all nostalgic now, was a real soap opera with some of the worst acting but brilliant!" Watch Wentworth prison its an updated cell block H | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. They do recognise transgender prisoners but they also recognise than managing them in a 2 sex system is not workable. They are not safe in the make estate and, depending on their index offence, pose a risk to those in the female estate. Your views on this bring a purely psychological phenomenon are intruiging. Do you say the same as those who are gay or bi? " No. Bisexuality and homosexuality is completely different to trans. | |||
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"Well in my case I'm a massive fan of that fantastic Australian soap Prison Cell Block H, so this would be the closest i could get to living the dream. loved Bea Lizzie Doreen Nola was great. Aww stop..I’m getting all nostalgic now, was a real soap opera with some of the worst acting but brilliant! Watch Wentworth prison its an updated cell block H " I did and it's crap. There have been about 3 remakes of Cell Block H that I know of and they are not a patch on the original. One if the remakes even had the original Val Lehman as Bea Smith. I met Val Lehman once. | |||
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"Ever since the rapist changed his sex and abused women in the womens prison when moved there, well they had to come up with a solution. I think its silly, they are criminals, I dont give a fuck if they beat each other to death. Prisons are meant to keep us safe, sick of following the rules, its not easy, and having to worry about people who break the rules. Fuck them. If a few innocent people get beaten in jail, so what, anything to keep prison a punishment. Prison is also to rehabilitate and return offenders to society in a safe manner. Not saying it works, just saying what it should do. Maybe ship em all off to an island and let them kill each other?" have a battle royale style way of doing thing? Let prisoners say a hundred at a time kill eachother ... Last man standing gets 1 year took off his/her sentence .... Televise it and make bets it would bring in millions. But we all know that wont happen ... Human rights and all that. | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all." So now I need a psychiatrist, as if bigotry and misconstrued understanding of what gender actually is isn't enough? Transgenderism a "problem"? Really? Yes, there are 2 sexes, but transgenderism is how you identify in terms of gender and totally separate from your "sex". But to answer the OP's question, I'm not sure separate prisons are the way forward, although I could see separate Wings or prison blocks possibly working as an alternative, albeit in a discriminatory way, but if it makes it a safer environment for all who are affected it should be considered | |||
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"Ever since the rapist changed his sex and abused women in the womens prison when moved there, well they had to come up with a solution. I think its silly, they are criminals, I dont give a fuck if they beat each other to death. Prisons are meant to keep us safe, sick of following the rules, its not easy, and having to worry about people who break the rules. Fuck them. If a few innocent people get beaten in jail, so what, anything to keep prison a punishment. Prison is also to rehabilitate and return offenders to society in a safe manner. Not saying it works, just saying what it should do. Maybe ship em all off to an island and let them kill each other? have a battle royale style way of doing thing? Let prisoners say a hundred at a time kill eachother ... Last man standing gets 1 year took off his/her sentence .... Televise it and make bets it would bring in millions. But we all know that wont happen ... Human rights and all that." Prison ships. | |||
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"This is a waste of money. Why? Just read a bit on it there. I would actually say ok. Fair enough spend. They should not be in a female prison. Then it makes you think. If the prison or prison service creates these units. They must not recognise these 'woman' as such. So why are the public supposed to accept it? If a member of the public were to suggest seperate units, we are transphobic. The reigns on transgenderism need pulled in. Until more can be understood about it. Personally i believe in man is man, woman is woman. If anyone wants to morph them together or swap around. That's grand. There are psychatrists that can work with you. Just don't expect me to agree. 99% of the population is either male or female and identify as such. Transgender issues affect such a small fraction of the population. Yet we are still supposed to pander to all their whims. I believe its a psychological problem. Instead of addressing this. These people effected are being exploited by left wing ideologues to push their agendas. Good spend though. We have a duty to keep all safe. After reading about the unit. I agree with it. For safety of all. So now I need a psychiatrist, as if bigotry and misconstrued understanding of what gender actually is isn't enough? Transgenderism a "problem"? Really? Yes, there are 2 sexes, but transgenderism is how you identify in terms of gender and totally separate from your "sex". But to answer the OP's question, I'm not sure separate prisons are the way forward, although I could see separate Wings or prison blocks possibly working as an alternative, albeit in a discriminatory way, but if it makes it a safer environment for all who are affected it should be considered" I believe that there is not enough understood about transgenderism. Especially not enough to put things into law. I don't believe that there are more than two sexes and genders. Am i a bigot? No. Not at all. Nothing bigoted about disagreeing with you or anyone. The advancement of surgical practices and technology enable transitions. Without that ability. There is no natural way of making the transition. Where would that leave people who identify as a different sex? | |||
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"Trans prisoners are housed in a separate wing away from the general population, they are escorted to their jobs by screws and do everything separately to the general population, so it's a complete waste of money, the money would be better spent helping prisoners once they leave prison yo find accommodation and jobs which in turn would reduce reoffending Not strictly true. They may be housed on wings for vulnerable prisoners but I doubt there are enough at any one prison to warrant having their own wing. They are placed onto a VP wing, which includes sex offenders, the wings are very secure with an abundance of staff, I don't understand why they should have their own specialist unit, like any other part of society there will always be vulnerable people, the amount of mentally I'll people in prison is frightening but the waiting time for specialist units is ridiculous, trans prisoners are not at any greater risk than any other prisoner, yes there will be bullying but again everyone is subjected to that, provision is made for trans people (you can buy make up and other similar products on the weekly canteen, what we must remember is that they have committed a crime and they need to face the consequences, of course there safety is paramount but this is already being provided in separate wings for vulnerable prisoners But in their mind they are females being kept in a make prison. This isn't just about safety it's also about decency which is something they aren't always afforded currently. They have faced the consequences. Their liberty has been taken from them. They are removed from their loved ones. Why should we punish them further? I understand you saying "why should we punish then further" but what about all the other at risk groups in prison, why should trans get special treatment? Please don't think I have some sort of phobia, I don't, but I don't understand why they should receive special treatment. There are so many vulnerable prisoners, the old don't have special geriatric prisons, gay/bi don't have specialist prisons (and they get bullied terribly) I just don't think it's a precident that we should set " I completely agree! This society is becoming a bit of a joke if I'm being honest. Money being wasted on this and like you say, older, gay etc next it'd be race being thrown into the mix and separating races from eachother because it'd become a race thing next. People are becoming way too sensitive and politically correct that it's now becoming normal to be scared to say no to someone just because they may become offended. A prison is for punishment. The money should be put to better use to manage the problem not create more in the long run  | |||
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"This is a waste of money. " Some may say prison is a is a waste of money anyway. I recently watched "Adam ruins everything" on prisons and I was shocked. So as I am aware there are gender specific prisons, so how would this be any different to a women's prison or men's prison? Why would it be a bigger waste of money? I feel it's a way of respecting people's preferences and keeping people safe. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is "I feel the same way. The world has gone mad! | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!"It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers. "Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing. All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
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We were talking about the world in general | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general "Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now! | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say "I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya "You may like it so no.. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya
You may like it so no.. "
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya
You may like it so no.. "
I was responding to a “the worlds gone mad” comment and yes it’s bonkers! As I stated earlier in this post i am on the fence with this issue.
Examples of the worlds gone mad ( and I have hundreds!)
The Stacy Dooley drama
Victoria and David getting slated for kissing their daughter on the lips.
The man on a thread yesterday who got spoken to by management for holding a door open for a woman after she complained to management.
The recent lunacy of asking a baby/child if it’s ok to change their nappy.
Brexit.
BLOODY BONKERS! | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya
You may like it so no..
I was responding to a “the worlds gone mad” comment and yes it’s bonkers! As I stated earlier in this post i am on the fence with this issue.
Examples of the worlds gone mad ( and I have hundreds!)
The Stacy Dooley drama
Victoria and David getting slated for kissing their daughter on the lips.
The man on a thread yesterday who got spoken to by management for holding a door open for a woman after she complained to management.
The recent lunacy of asking a baby/child if it’s ok to change their nappy.
Brexit.
BLOODY BONKERS!"It's best not to get involved. No one is allowed to disagree or have their own opinion on anything these days without being branded with being some sort of phobe or perv 
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya
You may like it so no..
I was responding to a “the worlds gone mad” comment and yes it’s bonkers! As I stated earlier in this post i am on the fence with this issue.
Examples of the worlds gone mad ( and I have hundreds!)
The Stacy Dooley drama
Victoria and David getting slated for kissing their daughter on the lips.
The man on a thread yesterday who got spoken to by management for holding a door open for a woman after she complained to management.
The recent lunacy of asking a baby/child if it’s ok to change their nappy.
Brexit.
BLOODY BONKERS!
It's best not to get involved.
No one is allowed to disagree or have their own opinion on anything these days without being branded with being some sort of phobe or perv
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say "I was referring to the comment at the top of the quote “Don’t do crime sand you won’t go to prison” which received agreement. My point was if you try to solve the problem of where to safely house trans people in prison by simply stating ‘they shouldn’t have done the crime’, it’s not going to get you anywhere. The fact is they ‘have’ committed a crime and history tells us they will continue to commit crime - so the problem of where do we house them remains. We can’t expect criminals to simply recognise that they shouldn’t do it so we won’t have to figure out where to put them. I thought that was a bit mad myself. | |||
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"Don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison Is it really that simple Er yes it is
I feel the same way.
The world has gone mad!
It’s gone bonkers mate. Totally bonkers.
Yeah it’s mad isn’t it. With all this over crowding in prisons someone should just let them know about this ‘don’t do a crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing.
All these years they’ve been living in cramped conditions when all the time they could have just done a rota. G wing lads won’t do any crime this year and C wing lads can have next year off and so on.
Hilarious
We were talking about the world in general
Hey once this ‘Dont do crime and you won’t go to prison’ thing catches on, it’ll most likely be rolled out across the globe I can see it now!
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say
I can’t even be bothered to find out. Damn me again for getting involved in a serious conversation on here! Said I wouldn’t do it anymore. If you see me do it again give me a slap would ya
You may like it so no..
I was responding to a “the worlds gone mad” comment and yes it’s bonkers! As I stated earlier in this post i am on the fence with this issue.
Examples of the worlds gone mad ( and I have hundreds!)
The Stacy Dooley drama
Victoria and David getting slated for kissing their daughter on the lips.
The man on a thread yesterday who got spoken to by management for holding a door open for a woman after she complained to management.
The recent lunacy of asking a baby/child if it’s ok to change their nappy.
Brexit.
BLOODY BONKERS!"Agree completely. Especially Brexit. | |||
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