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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Bit of a tuff one this pmf what if someone breaks in and pinches the gun then uses it on someone else you then have to prove it wasn't you that's done it I myself would happily shoot some scum bag that had entered my house unlawfully as there's a good chance they would have a weapon on them and my son is priority o I do have a couple of guns legal ofcourse but I wouldn't think twice of using them if I had to  | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Bit of a tuff one this pmf what if someone breaks in and pinches the gun then uses it on someone else you then have to prove it wasn't you that's done it I myself would happily shoot some scum bag that had entered my house unlawfully as there's a good chance they would have a weapon on them and my son is priority o I do have a couple of guns legal ofcourse but I wouldn't think twice of using them if I had to "ok ok deadly electrified fence? | |||
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"No just the 3 shootings on my kids street this month" More guns=more shootings. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Burglaries are rarely a violent crime. Allowing guns for the purpose of a possible burglary is a ridiculous suggestion. Plus to be in anyway effective would entail current gun laws about where weapons are stored to be completely rewritten | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it?" serious as a heart attack | |||
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"Why do so many Americans wear T-shirts ? They've got the right to bear arms "I tried not to chuckle... I really did!  | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened." Absolutely I would be on the first plane out...  | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Jasus,imagine you with a gun!Every time you had a tantrum it would be like the last shoot out at the OK Coral! Let's not go there | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Jasus,imagine you with a gun!Every time you had a tantrum it would be like the last shoot out at the OK Coral! Let's not go there " | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened. Absolutely I would be on the first plane out... "This is starting to sound like a good idea now.......... | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened. Absolutely I would be on the first plane out...
This is starting to sound like a good idea now.......... "Still a little sore Sam... | |||
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Well I'm glad it didn't sound like a good idea, till it meant me leaving I'd still post on the Forum from Spain you know | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it?" The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened." Hell no! Couldn't agree more with Genghis! (I don't have kids, so my fear is all selfish.) Absolutely definitely not! | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does." The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened. Hell no! Couldn't agree more with Genghis! (I don't have kids, so my fear is all selfish.) Absolutely definitely not! " Yay! Someone agreed with me on something. Whoop whoooooop | |||
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"Only a few of the many criminals have guns at the moment, flood the country with guns for all and it will be the wild wild west!" would suit my hat  | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does." That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC. | |||
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"Give everyone a gun but outlaw the possession of bullets. Someone breaks into your house, throw the gun at them and yell BANG. "not a bad idea that tho | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years." That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. | |||
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"Ok so the gun plans clearly out so where do we stand on flame throwers?" "call that a knife,this is a flame thrower" .hhmmm..seems a good plan to me | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. " Well Australia banned them after their one and only mass shooting. Seemed to work fine there. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Because we aren't crims Have you missed all of the gun crime news from the States? | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does." Do you have a sourcertain for that? It's just that a quick Google suggests it is nothing g more than a few hundred cases a year where a gun is used in a "justifiable homicide" (self defence) scenario which given that there over a million violent crime a year (the only ones where justifiable homicide can be considered) suggests that guns don't do that much unless most if that hundred thousand you refer to are scared off by a gun or mon-fatally injured both of which seem implausible in that sort of volume | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Because we aren't crims Have you missed all of the gun crime news from the States? " i dont watch the news have u nog seen my paw patrol and my little pony threads | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC." But if you break it down by region, those 40% who legally own guns are in the parts of the country with the lowest levels of violent crime. As gun ownership declines, crime actually rises. | |||
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"You've got a gun, I've got a gun. You might shoot me, I might shoot you... The only winner is the one with the quickest trigger finger (and possibly best aim)" you feeling lucky | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. " A mugger using a knife is looking to intimidate not maim. You're also ignoring the psychological damage to the person who pulled the trigger and has to live with taking a life, justified or not. There is never a situation in society where the answer to a problem is 'more guns' | |||
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"People should be able to defend their houses, yes. If someone breaks in then the house owner should be able to use any means necessary to get rid of them. No to guns though. " maybe use a penis extender instead | |||
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"You only need to look at America and see what guns do. Most people die from their own gun or in thier own home. If someone broke in my house they can have what they want then go. If I pulled a gun then things change. Chances are I will die Guns are just penis extensions " This is mostly because Americans can just buy a gun without training and a mental test if you own a gun in this country then you have to go through a process to determine whether you are capable to use that gun and in sound mind this is the difference between us and America just my opinion | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. Do you have a sourcertain for that? It's just that a quick Google suggests it is nothing g more than a few hundred cases a year where a gun is used in a "justifiable homicide" (self defence) scenario which given that there over a million violent crime a year (the only ones where justifiable homicide can be considered) suggests that guns don't do that much unless most if that hundred thousand you refer to are scared off by a gun or mon-fatally injured both of which seem implausible in that sort of volume" If you're saying there's evidence of 100s of cases a year of self defense shootings resulting in a fatality, then yes, it's definitely plausible that the number where the criminal is only injured or just scared off by being shot at could run into the thousands. The number came from a pro gun source so may well have been inflated, but my point is, once you've been in a situation where you've needed to protect yourself, you won't ever be convinced you were wrong to have been allowed that weapon in the first place. As the Americans say "A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged". | |||
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"Unfortunately psychos as well as sensible people would own them and innocent people would be killed.Look at America,and our own Hungerford,after which stricter gun control laws were introduced into this country. Personally I would love a machine gun." save 6 grand and you can get one it's pretty easy | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC. But if you break it down by region, those 40% who legally own guns are in the parts of the country with the lowest levels of violent crime. As gun ownership declines, crime actually rises." Because they live in a country where a lot of people have guns! Legal or otherwise. If nobody was allowed them. Murder rates would plummet. Isn't what is said about knives true for guns? You're more likely to get stabbed if you go out with one, than without? Anyway.. none of you silly gun loving bastards has even mentioned negligent discharges! Fuck criminals.. how many Civvies have shot themselves in the USA? How many toddlers and children died by their parents gun? How many children have killed their own parents by accident. Look up those statistics? I shot my sergeant in training with a blank firing attachment on. Five others had NDs. Three more in second phase training and when I got to my unit. One of our Regiment got shot with a GPMG round. Those things will take your leg off at 500m and they spit fire. All of us could strip our weapons in the dark and knew each part intimately. I REPEAT! like I'm going to trust ANY of you with a gun, or a rifle, or anything else designed to kill someone. Fuck, half of you don't even know how to treat each other with a bit of respect. | |||
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"We would get school mass shootings with toddlers in body bags ...No thanks..." I couldn't agree with this more and the satistics speak for themselves! I am 35 and in my lifetime there has been 3 mass shootings in the UK. The USA had at least 305 in 2018. That isn't even including all the other gun violence cases where only one or two people are killed, or the thousands probably injured each year. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. A mugger using a knife is looking to intimidate not maim. You're also ignoring the psychological damage to the person who pulled the trigger and has to live with taking a life, justified or not. There is never a situation in society where the answer to a problem is 'more guns' " If you want to use psychological damage as an argument, what about the unarmed person who was totally at the mercy of that mugger who is now afraid to go out the house? | |||
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"I feel like we should be able to defend ourselves in our own homes but should we have guns in our homes, absolutely not!! Comparatively we have fairly Low gun crime rates in the UK and I think this is because the majority of our police officers are not armed and all law-abiding citizens are also not Armed. Look what's happened in places like America for example, the more guns you have the more people feel the need to have one to defend themselves, therefore the chances of being a victim of gun violence usually increases. I do however feel the law needs to be more specific than "use reasonable force" to defend yourself. My idea of reasonable force and yours could be polar opposite. " that means use the same measure they can i asked but can i hell find cs gas or those asp things | |||
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"I'm not even comfortable with UK Police carrying them unless they are part of an Armed Rapid Response Unit. " I agree with this as well because if you arm the police then the criminals will arm themselves in return. Before anybody starts telling me criminals already have guns, I'm aware of this however because of our tight laws on guns it is only a very small number. If you arm the police gun violence and death will increase! | |||
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"I feel like we should be able to defend ourselves in our own homes but should we have guns in our homes, absolutely not!! Comparatively we have fairly Low gun crime rates in the UK and I think this is because the majority of our police officers are not armed and all law-abiding citizens are also not Armed. Look what's happened in places like America for example, the more guns you have the more people feel the need to have one to defend themselves, therefore the chances of being a victim of gun violence usually increases. I do however feel the law needs to be more specific than "use reasonable force" to defend yourself. My idea of reasonable force and yours could be polar opposite. that means use the same measure they can i asked but can i hell find cs gas or those asp things" Are you sure about CS gas because I thought of that was illegal to have in personal possession. Also are you sure about the whole thing because surely that's considered an offensive weapon and the police are trained to use both of these things. Otherwise is having those two items was permitted and part of using reasonable Force surely everybody would have them. Do you see my point. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Wouldn't that just mean loads of guns everywhere? And if so I'd hazard a guess that with far more guns there will be far people getting killed? After all the presence of guns hasn't stopped crime in the US. If anything it's just going up the ante, make an arms race of sorts between the public and criminal and fuel this arms race with wider avalibilty of small arms. Basicly it's a recipe for far more violence and far more people getting shot. It's a stupid idea. In a stable and consenting democratic society it's imperative that state maintains the monopoly of the use of firearms and leathful in the interests of us all. Unfortunately criminals will sometimes get their hands on small arms, the best thing we can do as a society is try to prevent access to small arms and deter their use. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC. But if you break it down by region, those 40% who legally own guns are in the parts of the country with the lowest levels of violent crime. As gun ownership declines, crime actually rises. Because they live in a country where a lot of people have guns! Legal or otherwise. If nobody was allowed them. Murder rates would plummet. Isn't what is said about knives true for guns? You're more likely to get stabbed if you go out with one, than without? Anyway.. none of you silly gun loving bastards has even mentioned negligent discharges! Fuck criminals.. how many Civvies have shot themselves in the USA? How many toddlers and children died by their parents gun? How many children have killed their own parents by accident. Look up those statistics? I shot my sergeant in training with a blank firing attachment on. Five others had NDs. Three more in second phase training and when I got to my unit. One of our Regiment got shot with a GPMG round. Those things will take your leg off at 500m and they spit fire. All of us could strip our weapons in the dark and knew each part intimately. I REPEAT! like I'm going to trust ANY of you with a gun, or a rifle, or anything else designed to kill someone. Fuck, half of you don't even know how to treat each other with a bit of respect." This may be one to bookmark as Rant Of The Year! | |||
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"Jim Jefferies on gun control puts the argument for more restrictions there across pretty well. One point he makes is if you are a responsiblle american gun owner, your firearm is kept in a secure place that kids or such like can't get to easily. So, when the burglars break in, where is your "burglar deterrent"?... He also touched upon the higher rate of suicide in gun owners. The BBC article I referenced earlier up in the thread states that half of all American suicides were by gun... Why would we want to risk our country becoming like that?" Good points. | |||
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"I feel like we should be able to defend ourselves in our own homes but should we have guns in our homes, absolutely not!! Comparatively we have fairly Low gun crime rates in the UK and I think this is because the majority of our police officers are not armed and all law-abiding citizens are also not Armed. Look what's happened in places like America for example, the more guns you have the more people feel the need to have one to defend themselves, therefore the chances of being a victim of gun violence usually increases. I do however feel the law needs to be more specific than "use reasonable force" to defend yourself. My idea of reasonable force and yours could be polar opposite. that means use the same measure they can i asked but can i hell find cs gas or those asp things Are you sure about CS gas because I thought of that was illegal to have in personal possession. Also are you sure about the whole thing because surely that's considered an offensive weapon and the police are trained to use both of these things. Otherwise is having those two items was permitted and part of using reasonable Force surely everybody would have them. Do you see my point. " thats what there words were to me as long as i dont chase after them hitting them down the street | |||
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"I feel like we should be able to defend ourselves in our own homes but should we have guns in our homes, absolutely not!! Comparatively we have fairly Low gun crime rates in the UK and I think this is because the majority of our police officers are not armed and all law-abiding citizens are also not Armed. Look what's happened in places like America for example, the more guns you have the more people feel the need to have one to defend themselves, therefore the chances of being a victim of gun violence usually increases. I do however feel the law needs to be more specific than "use reasonable force" to defend yourself. My idea of reasonable force and yours could be polar opposite. that means use the same measure they can i asked but can i hell find cs gas or those asp things Are you sure about CS gas because I thought of that was illegal to have in personal possession. Also are you sure about the whole thing because surely that's considered an offensive weapon and the police are trained to use both of these things. Otherwise is having those two items was permitted and part of using reasonable Force surely everybody would have them. Do you see my point. thats what there words were to me as long as i dont chase after them hitting them down the street" So as long as you have them in your own home and only use them as self-defence? That's interesting. | |||
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"Jim Jefferies on gun control puts the argument for more restrictions there across pretty well. One point he makes is if you are a responsiblle american gun owner, your firearm is kept in a secure place that kids or such like can't get to easily. So, when the burglars break in, where is your "burglar deterrent"?... He also touched upon the higher rate of suicide in gun owners. The BBC article I referenced earlier up in the thread states that half of all American suicides were by gun... Why would we want to risk our country becoming like that? Good points." Actually, the US has a suicide rate that isn't any higher than any other Western country. Japan has a far higher rate due to the culture's view of "dishonour/shame", etc but a tiny number of gun owners. Guns just make it easier but people still find a way. | |||
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"NO! NO! NO! I've seen professional soldiers make mistakes with guns, like I'd trust ANY of you loose with them. No fucking chance! I'd take my kids and leave if that ever happened. Hell no! Couldn't agree more with Genghis! (I don't have kids, so my fear is all selfish.) Absolutely definitely not! Yay! Someone agreed with me on something. Whoop whoooooop" I agree with you quite a lot, just quietly (e.g. Invictus is an awesome poem, and one of my favourites too)
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " No. How often has your home been robbed by someone holding a firearm? | |||
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"Whilst you can use them for home defence you can own a firearm in the UK quite respectfully. I have a Mossberg 500 lovely shotgun looks a bit silly shooting clays but I like the look and feel. Uk restrictions only allow 2 shells although you can fit 3 technically. US home defence weapon of choice. In Uk Burglaries a shotgun is more likely to be stolen rather than used. My 3 landsharks take care of my home defence but it’s nice to know should it absolutely come down to it. I can hide in my bedroom and let a few shots off into the ceiling and scare them away. " *cant use them for home defence | |||
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" Uk restrictions only allow 2 shells although you can fit 3 technically. " UK restrictions allow for 3 shells on a shotgun cert, and more on an FAC. Your Mossberg is designed to take 3. | |||
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"I'm not even comfortable with UK Police carrying them unless they are part of an Armed Rapid Response Unit. "
My own home defence is fairly simple. A meat cleaver in the kitchen (hidden from plain view), various sized hammers under the stairs (the ballpein one leaves a nice dent), and I also have a longbow to shoot them up the arse with as they try to make it over the back fence. But it's all just a backup. They can't get past the moat filled with sharks with lasers attached to their heads. | |||
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My own home defence is fairly simple. A meat cleaver in the kitchen (hidden from plain view), various sized hammers under the stairs (the ballpein one leaves a nice dent), and I also have a longbow to shoot them up the arse with as they try to make it over the back fence. But it's all just a backup. They can't get past the moat filled with sharks with lasers attached to their heads."I reckon the majority of Americans would be willing to give up their home defence firearms in exchange for a moat filled with sharks with lasers attached to their heads. That's gotta be way more effective and safer. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does." There are quiet a few that get shot with their own weapons. You really have to have the bottle to pull the trigger. After being in the military and being shot at when on exercise it really concentrates the mind. It's not like the movies. Make it a life sentence for carrying a loaded hand gun. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. There are quiet a few that get shot with their own weapons. You really have to have the bottle to pull the trigger. After being in the military and being shot at when on exercise it really concentrates the mind. It's not like the movies. Make it a life sentence for carrying a loaded hand gun. " The number of Americans who claim to have used a gun in self defence is roughly the same as the number who claim to have been abducted by aliens. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. There are quiet a few that get shot with their own weapons. You really have to have the bottle to pull the trigger. After being in the military and being shot at when on exercise it really concentrates the mind. It's not like the movies. Make it a life sentence for carrying a loaded hand gun. The number of Americans who claim to have used a gun in self defence is roughly the same as the number who claim to have been abducted by aliens. " That's the Americans for you. Or as my matey said 140 million people in the country and those are the best 2 you could come up with. Trump and Clinton that is. | |||
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"I'm not even comfortable with UK Police carrying them unless they are part of an Armed Rapid Response Unit. Try living in Northern Ireland for a while, yes it's still part of the UK. And every police officer carrys a firearm. Never made things safer there! Plus you have nearly 3000 civilians licensed to carry handguns in NI. " To own any firearm in the uk you have to have a comprehensive back ground check, if keeping them at home you also have to fit a secure cabinet and that’s just for a shotgun. To own a rifle or FAC shotgun ( basically a shotgun that has a magazine that can hold more than 3 shots) you also have to have a good reason for wanting one (this can be target shooting, pest control or hunting). Now in NI, you have to have a licence for all weapons including air guns. Most pistol licences are for target shooting...however a good proportion are for PPW (personal protection Weapons) mainly given to politicians, police (retired and serving), military or anyone else at risk (must have very good cause). As you rightly say,for the amount of “guns” in the Uk our rates of gun crime are so low and if I remember right it’s less than 1% of gun crime that is committed with a legal held gun. Just for an example of our laws..........of you were stopped for carrying a BB gun or Air rifle and had used it wrongly, it’s classed as a fire arms offence. So all these gun crime figures..........possibly 1/2 of them are actually little Timmy getting stopped on the way home from school with a BB gunhes not supposed to have that is then put down as a firearm offence. Some one once said to me a classic quote..........it’s not the Gun that’s the problem........it’s the idiot in charge of it that’s the problem. Our system is good and we actually do well with shooting (more gold medals than a lot of other sports) Sorry for the rant but I hate people putting down a sport I actually enjoy. | |||
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"Londoners could swap "knife culture" for "gun culture", as is their want. "Londoners? Of course it never happens anywhere else!! | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes" It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. " The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome . | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome ." You donated guns in your own best interest, you were also at war at that time. P.S. You didn't have to do anything so don't take a claim for what your ancestors did. | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome . You donated guns in your own best interest, you were also at war at that time. P.S. You didn't have to do anything so don't take a claim for what your ancestors did." So you all don't study history lol Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. | |||
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" So you all don't study history lol Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.". ." We do study history (not from Wikipedia) but from books. The similarities between Trump and Hitler are amazing. If you compare them side by side at this stage in their political career up to now Trump actually make Hitler quite good. Yes, you should be very concerned with history repeating itself. (And we would have never spoken German in thr UK. Again, history!!) | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome . You donated guns in your own best interest, you were also at war at that time. P.S. You didn't have to do anything so don't take a claim for what your ancestors did." PS the donations began in 1940 We didn't enter the war until after pearl harbor in 1941 | |||
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" So you all don't study history lol Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.". . We do study history (not from Wikipedia) but from books. The similarities between Trump and Hitler are amazing. If you compare them side by side at this stage in their political career up to now Trump actually make Hitler quite good. Yes, you should be very concerned with history repeating itself. (And we would have never spoken German in thr UK. Again, history!!)" So you believe you could have defeated Hitler if the USA hadn't joined the war? Honest question and if I could post links from books I would but that damned internet won't let me lol Trying to lighten the mood with facts and humour | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" Over 1.5 million US citizens killed by guns domestically since 1968 - more than in every US conflict combined. Britain suffered around 70,000 civilian losses during WW2. So I have to ask, what is the point in your link next to those facts? You’re killing eachother faster than any Nazi ever killed us in Britain. | |||
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It was to a wiki detailing a donation of guns to Britain during WW2 for civilian defence. The lady who posted it considered it an argument for relaxed gun laws like they have in the US. I did not see the relevance at all, considering 70,000 British civilians were killed during the whole of WW2 (by Nazi Germany), however the lax gun laws in the US have killed over 1.5 million US citizens since 1968 - which is a strong argument for not having firearm laws like the US.
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Odd point? Did you read the above posts, specifically the link to a wiki article?
It was to a wiki detailing a donation of guns to Britain during WW2 for civilian defence. The lady who posted it considered it an argument for relaxed gun laws like they have in the US. I did not see the relevance at all, considering 70,000 British civilians were killed during the whole of WW2 (by Nazi Germany), however the lax gun laws in the US have killed over 1.5 million US citizens since 1968 - which is a strong argument for not having firearm laws like the US.
Well for a start British Civillians were killed by heavy bombing and gas attacks."Exactly. The British civilians that US gun donations saved don’t exist because we were never formally invaded. If you also consider the number of British civilians killed by Nazis and the number of Americans killed by guns in a domestic setting - you can say with certainty that the adoption of US gun laws in Britain would be more lethal to British civilians than were the Nazis during WW2. | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome . As soon as anyone uses the "You would be speaking German now" line in a debate then the debate is over as you clearly don't have a clue about what you speak. It's a complete myth spouted by right wingers. Would never of happened " Exactly | |||
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"Don't worry America will save ya all again when it happens . you would think you all didn't study history in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Committee_for_the_Defense_of_British_Homes It’s you lot that need saving from yourselves! More US citizens have been killed by firearms on US soil since 1968 than have died in every US conflict combined since and including the American Civil War. Did you read the link? You may or may not be correct but as Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Your link has no relevance to this conversation. You have children being shot in schools. If you think your right to own a gun without regulation is more important than a childs life, then you are part of the problem. A quote by a former slave trader who died over 200 years ago which has no baring on todays world is also irrelevant. The link is very relevant. We had to donate guns so you could defend yourselves from the Germans. Had we had the same ban on guns as England at the time you would be speaking German now. Again your welcome . As soon as anyone uses the "You would be speaking German now" line in a debate then the debate is over as you clearly don't have a clue about what you speak. It's a complete myth spouted by right wingers. Would never of happened " I would just wish people wouldn't use the atrocities of the Nazi's to get a point across. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Yeah, then we can be just like America! NOOOOO! | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Yeah, then we can be just like America! NOOOOO!" How long do u think them house guns will stay in the house ?? We will end up just like America where someone is shot every 5 minutes including schools ? When’s the last time u heard a school gun massacre in UK ? U hear it more and more in America now | |||
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"What about all the incidents where little Timmy finds the gun and accidentally shoots his little sister in the face. I'm glad we have strict gun laws here. " thats a none argument lityle timmy has access to knives scissors to stsb his sisters face me and my brother used to throw darts at eachother as kids | |||
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"What about all the incidents where little Timmy finds the gun and accidentally shoots his little sister in the face. I'm glad we have strict gun laws here. thats a none argument lityle timmy has access to knives scissors to stsb his sisters face me and my brother used to throw darts at eachother as kids " It seems a valid argument to me given guns are tools designed to make killing much easier. If knives and scissors were as effective at killing people as guns they’d be giving them to soldiers, but of course they don’t because they are not. Humans have existed just fine for many thousands of years without guns so we do not need them, evidently. | |||
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"What about all the incidents where little Timmy finds the gun and accidentally shoots his little sister in the face. I'm glad we have strict gun laws here. thats a none argument lityle timmy has access to knives scissors to stsb his sisters face me and my brother used to throw darts at eachother as kids It seems a valid argument to me given guns are tools designed to make killing much easier. If knives and scissors were as effective at killing people as guns they’d be giving them to soldiers, but of course they don’t because they are not. Humans have existed just fine for many thousands of years without guns so we do not need them, evidently. " only because it allows you to kill many from a safe distance for 1000s of years knives daggers swords were pretty effective but high risk as u are within the killzone of the enemy | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian." So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Yeah, then we can be just like America! NOOOOO! How long do u think them house guns will stay in the house ?? We will end up just like America where someone is shot every 5 minutes including schools ? When’s the last time u heard a school gun massacre in UK ? U hear it more and more in America now " In the UK, the laws try to keep guns in the hands of those with a legitimate reason to possess them, and a demonstrated level of responsibility surrounding their use. In the US, the starting point is anyone can have a gun until they demonstrate why they shouldn't. Too late by then. | |||
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"NO NO NO NO NO NO More guns equals more shootings and more needless deaths. Knife crime is a big enough problem and knives don't come in a form where you can kill several people per second... Nita" This is why people shouldn't have guns.... ignorance about how to use them, and how effective they actually are. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we " Guns no—defend your home yes, there are other ways. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Guns no—defend your home yes, there are other ways. The problem with having a gun for home defence, is that you don't know if you'll have the guts to use it, or just freeze and have it taken from you. If the latter, it's just another illegal firearm on the streets and you're probably dead. As I mentioned previously. If you were a responsible gun owner then the gun would be securely locked away from the likes of kids or getting (rather ironically) stolen. In the event of a burglary or home invasion, it isn't going to be readily to hand. ...Good point - and the burglar knowing they will potentially face someone armed with a gun will likely make a habit of bringing their own. Just like in the US. " Totally true. And the same applies in America. They all have these guns for home protection, but the aren't aloud to keep them loaded and the gun and ammo have to be on different places.. I'm not sure how they think their guns will protect them. Maybe the home invader will be good enough to wait while they load their weapon. They can then stand back to back, take 10 pages, turn and shoot! Winner takes all... | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Guns no—defend your home yes, there are other ways. The problem with having a gun for home defence, is that you don't know if you'll have the guts to use it, or just freeze and have it taken from you. If the latter, it's just another illegal firearm on the streets and you're probably dead. As I mentioned previously. If you were a responsible gun owner then the gun would be securely locked away from the likes of kids or getting (rather ironically) stolen. In the event of a burglary or home invasion, it isn't going to be readily to hand. ...Good point - and the burglar knowing they will potentially face someone armed with a gun will likely make a habit of bringing their own. Just like in the US. Totally true. And the same applies in America. They all have these guns for home protection, but the aren't aloud to keep them loaded and the gun and ammo have to be on different places.. I'm not sure how they think their guns will protect them. Maybe the home invader will be good enough to wait while they load their weapon. They can then stand back to back, take 10 pages, turn and shoot! Winner takes all... "Jim Jefferies does this again. Give it a look on youtube. Brilliantly funny | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian. So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license." How else would you cull or perform pest control without a firearm? Just because you can’t think of any, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. In rural communities you are going to find a lot more rifles and shotguns as they are tools. Farmers need these weapons for vermin control, but also game management companies need rifles for population control and culls, as do gamekeepers and vermin contractors. Firearms are also required by some rurally for humane dispatch. If you live in a city you probably aren’t going to see too much of this. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Guns no—defend your home yes, there are other ways. The problem with having a gun for home defence, is that you don't know if you'll have the guts to use it, or just freeze and have it taken from you. If the latter, it's just another illegal firearm on the streets and you're probably dead. As I mentioned previously. If you were a responsible gun owner then the gun would be securely locked away from the likes of kids or getting (rather ironically) stolen. In the event of a burglary or home invasion, it isn't going to be readily to hand. ...Good point - and the burglar knowing they will potentially face someone armed with a gun will likely make a habit of bringing their own. Just like in the US. Totally true. And the same applies in America. They all have these guns for home protection, but the aren't aloud to keep them loaded and the gun and ammo have to be on different places.. I'm not sure how they think their guns will protect them. Maybe the home invader will be good enough to wait while they load their weapon. They can then stand back to back, take 10 pages, turn and shoot! Winner takes all...
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Guns no—defend your home yes, there are other ways. The problem with having a gun for home defence, is that you don't know if you'll have the guts to use it, or just freeze and have it taken from you. If the latter, it's just another illegal firearm on the streets and you're probably dead. As I mentioned previously. If you were a responsible gun owner then the gun would be securely locked away from the likes of kids or getting (rather ironically) stolen. In the event of a burglary or home invasion, it isn't going to be readily to hand. ...Good point - and the burglar knowing they will potentially face someone armed with a gun will likely make a habit of bringing their own. Just like in the US. " That's not actually true, burglars don't show up armed, they don't show up at all. In the US only 15% of burglaries take place when the owner is home, compared to over 60% in Britain, precisely because of the risk of them running into an armed home owner. So you're less likely to be burgled, due to the smaller window of opportunity and far less likely to be injured in a confrontation with the burglars if you are. | |||
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" I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license." Most of the pest control,deer culling and general shooting in the UK is done by private civilians. At the moment, even with record amounts of deer being shot and then put into the food chain (wild venison and damm tasty as well) the Uk population of deer is forcasted to rise. 10 years ago you wouldn’t have seen deer in the towns or suburbs, now a days, they are common in the centre of Birmingham!!! | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian. So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license. How else would you cull or perform pest control without a firearm? Just because you can’t think of any, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. In rural communities you are going to find a lot more rifles and shotguns as they are tools. Farmers need these weapons for vermin control, but also game management companies need rifles for population control and culls, as do gamekeepers and vermin contractors. Firearms are also required by some rurally for humane dispatch. If you live in a city you probably aren’t going to see too much of this. " I believe I did say farming was the only instance where a firearm was necessary. | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian. So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license. How else would you cull or perform pest control without a firearm? Just because you can’t think of any, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. In rural communities you are going to find a lot more rifles and shotguns as they are tools. Farmers need these weapons for vermin control, but also game management companies need rifles for population control and culls, as do gamekeepers and vermin contractors. Firearms are also required by some rurally for humane dispatch. If you live in a city you probably aren’t going to see too much of this. I believe I did say farming was the only instance where a firearm was necessary." I have not always lived in the city. I did in fact used to work on many farms and cattle ranches in Oregon Illinois and New England. | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian. So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license. How else would you cull or perform pest control without a firearm? Just because you can’t think of any, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. In rural communities you are going to find a lot more rifles and shotguns as they are tools. Farmers need these weapons for vermin control, but also game management companies need rifles for population control and culls, as do gamekeepers and vermin contractors. Firearms are also required by some rurally for humane dispatch. If you live in a city you probably aren’t going to see too much of this. I believe I did say farming was the only instance where a firearm was necessary." You did say that, but you are wrong. I gave examples, but if you are applying for a shotgun cert or an FAC in the UK, the suitable reasons for holding a firearm are vermin control, sport and hunting. None specifically related to farming. This is of course not including the near 3000 people that hold PPW licences and are legally allowed to carry concealed handguns. | |||
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"In America there is often a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I lived with a family of bikers in New England for a while and they had a variety of shotguns at hand because they had a 4 year old baby and very often bears would come down from the mountains to look for food. In England there's just no valid reason to own a firearm if your a civillian. So land management, culling and pest control are out too then? Also just because you don't like shooting as a sport you want to deny it to those who do..? I can't think of any land management, culling and pest control situation that would require a firearm in the UK unless your a farmer. And they do use firearms under license. How else would you cull or perform pest control without a firearm? Just because you can’t think of any, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. In rural communities you are going to find a lot more rifles and shotguns as they are tools. Farmers need these weapons for vermin control, but also game management companies need rifles for population control and culls, as do gamekeepers and vermin contractors. Firearms are also required by some rurally for humane dispatch. If you live in a city you probably aren’t going to see too much of this. I believe I did say farming was the only instance where a firearm was necessary. I have not always lived in the city. I did in fact used to work on many farms and cattle ranches in Oregon Illinois and New England." If you have worked in agriculture why on earth would you say that “most” farming is automated now?? It’s a growing trend but not even remotely close to being “most”. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does." Thanks for mentioning this. The numbers could be much higher because many armed citizens deter crime without firing a shot. We do not necessarily have police statistics about this. However, I recall something on the radio by John Lott about this. He is an economist who has written a book: "More Guns, Less Crime". He has also studied the effect of concealed carry licenses on the crime rate. He mentioned something about a question on the last U.S. census about using a gun in self defense. He said that the Census Bureau estimated that a considerable number of Americans used guns in self defense. The Centers for Disease Control have also studied this. Economist John Lott and criminologist Gary Kleck have written about this. Ask a search engine: "How many Americans have used guns in self defense"? Also, the bulk of American news media are anti-gun and U.K. media probably as well. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years." The United States has almost 330,000,000 people. A considerable number of those are minorities are more likely to commit crimes and to be victims as well. We have substantial numbers of illegal immigrants also. Teenagers and young adults commit most of the crime and their proportion of the population can vary. Crime is caused by the demographics of the population. Why do Japanese-Americans have a lower crime rate even though they have the same access to guns as the rest of us? It is not "politically correct" to mention this because minorities vote mostly for the Democratic(so-called) Party. Also, where did you get the numbers you quoted? Consider the source. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC." Accepting the political bias of the BBC is not a positive argument either. | |||
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"Making handguns illegal was possibly the best thing that has happened for personal safety. Yes there are knives and stabbings but surely that's better than whole groups of people being gunned down. Obviously I'm not saying that stabbing is good. The whole 'they've got them so we should too' argument is ludicrous. As history has shown; escalation of arms is no deterrent and is the route to violence, not peace" Then, disband your military and destroy all of your weapons, warships, and aircraft. Just tell the world: " Please don't hurt us. We are unarmed". Maybe South Korea should do the same. | |||
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"never quite understood why we (especially a 4'10" female walking home)cannot carry pepper spray for DEFENCE PURPOSES ONLY..Americans can ,this country your not allowed to defend yourself bar a umbrella or walking stick." Yes, that is excessively restrictive. | |||
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"Making handguns illegal was possibly the best thing that has happened for personal safety. Yes there are knives and stabbings but surely that's better than whole groups of people being gunned down. Obviously I'm not saying that stabbing is good. The whole 'they've got them so we should too' argument is ludicrous. As history has shown; escalation of arms is no deterrent and is the route to violence, not peace Then, disband your military and destroy all of your weapons, warships, and aircraft. Just tell the world: " Please don't hurt us. We are unarmed". Maybe South Korea should do the same. " But it’s been that way for decades, and it’s working | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Burglaries are rarely a violent crime. Allowing guns for the purpose of a possible burglary is a ridiculous suggestion. Plus to be in anyway effective would entail current gun laws about where weapons are stored to be completely rewritten " The U.K. probably has a much higher rate of burglary than the U.S. especially the gun-friendly part of the U.S. | |||
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"Only a few of the many criminals have guns at the moment, flood the country with guns for all and it will be the wild wild west!" The most dangerous American cities either have the strictest gun laws or large minority populations or both. | |||
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"Making handguns illegal was possibly the best thing that has happened for personal safety. Yes there are knives and stabbings but surely that's better than whole groups of people being gunned down. Obviously I'm not saying that stabbing is good. The whole 'they've got them so we should too' argument is ludicrous. As history has shown; escalation of arms is no deterrent and is the route to violence, not peace" Handguns are not illegal in the UK. Neither are permits to carry either. Just certsin rules to follow that's all | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. " What does a fucking `17 year old know anyway and why does anyone listen to this asshole? Because the Democratic Party wants votes from the young and uninformed. In some places they want to lower the age for voting to 16. Besides, mass shooting get a lot of publicity but are a tiny percentage of ordinary street crime. Mass shooters and terrorists choose unarmed victims and places where victims cannot defend themselves. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Because we aren't crims Have you missed all of the gun crime news from the States? " If you had 330,000,000 people you would have more crime also. | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Jasus,imagine you with a gun!Every time you had a tantrum it would be like the last shoot out at the OK Coral! Let's not go there "That is what critics thought would happen when Florida passed the first "shall issue" concealed carry law in the U.S. Not of this happened. And not here in Colorado Springs either. There is an article in The Colorado Springs Independent, definitely a left-wing newspaper, about concealed carry permits . It is entitled: "Concealed carry permits in El Paso County double in five years". I won't post the link because Fab banned me once for posting a link. Those of you, if any, interested in facts can look it up. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC. But if you break it down by region, those 40% who legally own guns are in the parts of the country with the lowest levels of violent crime. As gun ownership declines, crime actually rises." Amen. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. The 40,000 who died as a result of guns in 2018 might disagree. The highest number in 50 years. That's the point at the end of the day. Banning guns in America won't save lives, it'll move the deaths somewhere else. You can't convince David Hogg civilians should be able to buy an AR 15 but you'll have no more luck convincing someone who shot a mugger who came at her with a knife that she shouldn't have been allowed to carry that glock in her handbag in the first place. You end up arguing about who's life/safety is more important. A mugger using a knife is looking to intimidate not maim. You're also ignoring the psychological damage to the person who pulled the trigger and has to live with taking a life, justified or not. There is never a situation in society where the answer to a problem is 'more guns' " Sorry, but your logic is not logic at all. | |||
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"You only need to look at America and see what guns do. Most people die from their own gun or in thier own home. If someone broke in my house they can have what they want then go. If I pulled a gun then things change. Chances are I will die Guns are just penis extensions " Nonsense. More people in America die in car accidents than from guns. | |||
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"You only need to look at America and see what guns do. Most people die from their own gun or in thier own home. If someone broke in my house they can have what they want then go. If I pulled a gun then things change. Chances are I will die Guns are just penis extensions This is mostly because Americans can just buy a gun without training and a mental test if you own a gun in this country then you have to go through a process to determine whether you are capable to use that gun and in sound mind this is the difference between us and America just my opinion " Concealed carry permits are issued by local Sheriffs. You must pass a background check and take a training class. The laws and requirement vary from state to state. | |||
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"We would get school mass shootings with toddlers in body bags ...No thanks... I couldn't agree with this more and the satistics speak for themselves! I am 35 and in my lifetime there has been 3 mass shootings in the UK. The USA had at least 305 in 2018. That isn't even including all the other gun violence cases where only one or two people are killed, or the thousands probably injured each year. " 305??? Where did you get that number? | |||
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"Gonna try serious for a sec As criminals get more and more violent iv seen it first hand before statto folks turn up Should we be allowed to defend our homes and familys any way necessary with house guns being legalised Crims have them why shouldnt we Because we aren't crims Have you missed all of the gun crime news from the States? If you had 330,000,000 people you would have more crime also." Yes of course but crimes rates are worked out per capita so comparisons can be made easily. The reality is you guys in the US are being preyed upon by corporations that manufacture firearms, the NRA and your politicians who endorse this with their policies. You have more people killed in the US with firearms in less than 2 days than the UK suffers in a year. Yet, your population is only around 5 times larger than the UK’s. You’re being sold false logic in your propaganda and those inclined to believe it do, repeat it to others and it gets accepted as plausible. But it’s not plausible. It’s fucking insane! I don’t think you can see the woods for the trees. The US would benefit from a series of gun amnesties. But it won’t happen. They make too much money of your slaughter to do that. In any case - we don’t want to replicate that over here. | |||
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"Please tell me this isn't really a serious thread implying we should all have the right to bear arms?... Because that works soooooooo well in USA doesn't it? The 100,000 Americans who successfully use firearms in self defense every year seem to think it does. That isn't a positive argument for the proliferation of firearms. "About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey , and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world" as reported by the BBC. Accepting the political bias of the BBC is not a positive argument either. " I stated the source of the figures to show that they were not pulled from thin air. The actual article uses statistics from the 2017 survey carried out in the USA on gun ownership. The facts are unbiased. Simple statements of fact. My own personal bias however is clear. It is my opinion. This has been reached by not just looking at a variety of others opinions and articles both for and against but by interactions with people living in the United states and even talking to the range master and others at a local range close to where I was staying in a little suburb in eastern florida. During every single stay over the course of a decade there was not a day that went by without at least one death by gun being reported and in several instances even reaching news outlets back here because of the dubious necessity of the lethal force used by the home owner protecting their front yard lawn from the feet of the trespassers. That mentality cannot be condoned and I shudder at the thought of any number of people I know having access to firearms and being allowed to make their own minds up on what is necessary force. No thank you. | |||
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