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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society...." I didn't advocate chucking them out. My _iew is that if someone wants kids then they should bloody well pay for them, even after they've left home. Why should I hand over my money to the taxman to fritter away on people who churn kids out on an industrial scale! | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society.... I didn't advocate chucking them out. My _iew is that if someone wants kids then they should bloody well pay for them, even after they've left home. Why should I hand over my money to the taxman to fritter away on people who churn kids out on an industrial scale!" I agree that everybody should take responsibility for themselves, I really do and personally I would not have had kids if I had not been able to afford them. Having said that, not everybody is in the fortunate position and people loose jobs, circumstances change and suddenly they end up in a situation where they need help. I dont mind paying tax to help out those who are ina spot of bother. I do not agree with a culture of relying on handouts though | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society...." I disagree somewhat. Sooner or later they have to find their own way in lfe, and life is tough. It's charcacter building. | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society.... I disagree somewhat. Sooner or later they have to find their own way in lfe, and life is tough. It's charcacter building. " Yeah right... cant you see what happened in my case ? | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society.... I disagree somewhat. Sooner or later they have to find their own way in lfe, and life is tough. It's charcacter building. Yeah right... cant you see what happened in my case ? "OK, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society.... I disagree somewhat. Sooner or later they have to find their own way in lfe, and life is tough. It's charcacter building. " but how does that help... all that happens is that they are not ready.. My kids know they can stay here.. and my Comment said I NEED one.. according to council guidelines..
And who says I dont support my kids..
I just was saying that there already is a cap on housing benefit..
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? " I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question? | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society...." I left home when i was 19 because i had too, as i had a baby. My son didnt leave home till he was 25. I think maybe 20 is the best age to leave home. | |||
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"theres having kids 1/2 but 6/7 is taking the pee no one can afford that no "Possibly not unless you are Posh n Becks. I had 4 and well, I managed to bring them up and see them through uni but it meant sacrifices... | |||
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"I cannot see how chucking kids out before they are ready would benefit society.... I left home when i was 19 because i had too, as i had a baby. My son didnt leave home till he was 25. I think maybe 20 is the best age to leave home." i havent technically left home yet and i am 31
but i have worked all but a few weeks snce i was 15, and went to school, 6th form and University | |||
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question?" Not really. Child benefit is purely a numbers game isn't it? £20 odd quid a week for the first , £15 or so for every other one without limit (i dont know?. Surely, after say 3 kids, marginal costs don't increase with every other kid. And do childrens real needs get met by knocking out more of them, often with different and absent fathers, just for financial reasons? | |||
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question? Not really. Child benefit is purely a numbers game isn't it? £20 odd quid a week for the first , £15 or so for every other one without limit (i dont know?. Surely, after say 3 kids, marginal costs don't increase with every other kid. And do childrens real needs get met by knocking out more of them, often with different and absent fathers, just for financial reasons? " I think comparing extremes is possibly not helping the discussion, there will always be situations that prove one thing or its opposite. Also, it is not the child's fault that dad is absent and yet they potentially suffer all sorts of disadvantages in life as a result. So i feel that at least they should not go short in the kind of basics that kids need and those £ 20 or so do help! | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? " as always a sensible contribution | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? as always a sensible contribution "flattery will get you...mmm | |||
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"its all right saying chuck the kids out when they are old enough but just where is the affordable housing for them to go into.remember they have no chance of social housing and the cost of private rent is well beyond what most young ppl can afford.no chance of getting a mortgage unless they have thousands saved which most haven't." Very true indeed  | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? as always a sensible contribution
flattery will get you...mmm"Come on I have been trying for ages ...;-) | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? " OK, let's have equality. Tax everyone and everything away from the UK then we can all not work. Bravo. | |||
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"its all right saying chuck the kids out when they are old enough but just where is the affordable housing for them to go into.remember they have no chance of social housing and the cost of private rent is well beyond what most young ppl can afford.no chance of getting a mortgage unless they have thousands saved which most haven't." how about a government investment programme to build affordable housing.. will generate growth, employ people.. reduce the burden on councils for emergency rented accommodation.. not rocket science.. could have used the QE billions we gave to the banks who then stashed it away and refuse to use it... someone needs to grow a set and get a grip... | |||
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"its all right saying chuck the kids out when they are old enough but just where is the affordable housing for them to go into.remember they have no chance of social housing and the cost of private rent is well beyond what most young ppl can afford.no chance of getting a mortgage unless they have thousands saved which most haven't. how about a government investment programme to build affordable housing.. will generate growth, employ people.. reduce the burden on councils for emergency rented accommodation.. not rocket science.. could have used the QE billions we gave to the banks who then stashed it away and refuse to use it... someone needs to grow a set and get a grip... " | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. Indeed it is and atm there is a vast amount in the billions which is owed. These companies actually are in the position where the government owes them money due to grant etc set off against tax Some sites have said that if they paid the taxes then there would have been no cuts wonder why? " | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? OK, let's have equality. Tax everyone and everything away from the UK then we can all not work. Bravo." apply the present tax laws properly, close the loopholes that allow companies to make millions and pay little or no tax .. the tax dodging captains of industry have threatened to leave every time, they are still here.. if they want to leave let them go, eg. cant see murdoch closing down his uk businesses.. can you.. | |||
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"the amount that the tories propose will save a small amount in the grand scheme of things.. yes, look after the pennies etc... hav'nt heard much from the present lot about going after tax avoidance which is in billions.. wonder why? as always a sensible contribution
flattery will get you...mmmCome on I have been trying for ages ...;-)"we need to touch base... | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali " I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. " Should it be easy ? There are truly genuine people trying their very, very best to secure work and my heart goes out to them..... and I wish them every good wish in their pursuit for a role. They may park their dignity at the door every time they walk into an employment office to sign on. and then there are the rest...... and I do not need to walk in their shoes. | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. Should it be easy ? There are truly genuine people trying their very, very best to secure work and my heart goes out to them..... and I wish them every good wish in their pursuit for a role. They may park their dignity at the door every time they walk into an employment office to sign on. and then there are the rest...... and I do not need to walk in their shoes." I agree, but who defines who belongs into which group? Also, I believe that there is an element of history repeating itself in some cases and some youngsters follow the pattern they have observed in their parents. I believe THAT cycle needs to be broken, unemployed, child bearing youngsters need to be given opportunities for training and work in order to build a life. At the moment there are not enough opportunities I believe. I believe that the majority of teenagers wouldprefer the opportunity of work, of developping a sense of pride, self esteem and achievement to being on the dole? | |||
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"Whilst the debate about benefits is justified, there should also be a debate, on why some businessmen pay a lower tax rate than their cleaners do, and how many people have money hidden away in secrect tax havens where they havent paid tax on. If the government wants us to believe their bollocks about us all being in it together, they need to start showing they are going to go after the rich as well. " | |||
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"i think the government needs to go out and check on why these people cant work and if no valid reason is given they should have the benefits stopped the same for DSL" Absolutely - which means checking and verifying each case on its own merits - I totally agree with that | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. Should it be easy ? There are truly genuine people trying their very, very best to secure work and my heart goes out to them..... and I wish them every good wish in their pursuit for a role. They may park their dignity at the door every time they walk into an employment office to sign on. and then there are the rest...... and I do not need to walk in their shoes. I agree, but who defines who belongs into which group? Also, I believe that there is an element of history repeating itself in some cases and some youngsters follow the pattern they have observed in their parents. I believe THAT cycle needs to be broken, unemployed, child bearing youngsters need to be given opportunities for training and work in order to build a life. At the moment there are not enough opportunities I believe. I believe that the majority of teenagers wouldprefer the opportunity of work, of developping a sense of pride, self esteem and achievement to being on the dole? " what stops them doing voluntary work... standing in a charity shop selling, offering to answer the phone in a hospital ward etc etc. It would be something on their CV. are there roles available and they just don't want to stand in a burger bar cause of the 'shame' that they think it would be have no data, just asking the question... | |||
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"i think the government needs to go out and check on why these people cant work and if no valid reason is given they should have the benefits stopped the same for DSLAbsolutely - which means checking and verifying each case on its own merits - I totally agree with that " then we will see the work shy the people who cant be arsed to work and the actual people who cant work genuines i noticed the other day someone on mu Facebook has DSL yet she is always doing things and moving about yet the person claims her disability stops her from working | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. Should it be easy ? There are truly genuine people trying their very, very best to secure work and my heart goes out to them..... and I wish them every good wish in their pursuit for a role. They may park their dignity at the door every time they walk into an employment office to sign on. and then there are the rest...... and I do not need to walk in their shoes. I agree, but who defines who belongs into which group? Also, I believe that there is an element of history repeating itself in some cases and some youngsters follow the pattern they have observed in their parents. I believe THAT cycle needs to be broken, unemployed, child bearing youngsters need to be given opportunities for training and work in order to build a life. At the moment there are not enough opportunities I believe. I believe that the majority of teenagers wouldprefer the opportunity of work, of developping a sense of pride, self esteem and achievement to being on the dole? what stops them doing voluntary work... standing in a charity shop selling, offering to answer the phone in a hospital ward etc etc. It would be something on their CV. are there roles available and they just don't want to stand in a burger bar cause of the 'shame' that they think it would be have no data, just asking the question..." Again I agree with you there, and I dont have data either. I do believe that role models (ie parental role models) play an important part in this and that is perhaps where eduaction in its broad sense needs to start. Of course there will be SOME who dont want to work, however, I really think that for the majority the pride of achievement, the sense of having done soemthign worthwhile is an essential need and basis for self esteem. Maybe we, as society need to focus on that a bit more as well as on providing good role models outside the family? | |||
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" I just hope all these that seem to think that its easy never find themselves having to... Cali I think you are absolutely right and in a way that we all should imagine walking in somebody else's shoes before making sweeping statements. Generalisations, based on soemthing the papers say, are invariably not applicable to the majority of situations. Should it be easy ? There are truly genuine people trying their very, very best to secure work and my heart goes out to them..... and I wish them every good wish in their pursuit for a role. They may park their dignity at the door every time they walk into an employment office to sign on. and then there are the rest...... and I do not need to walk in their shoes. I agree, but who defines who belongs into which group? Also, I believe that there is an element of history repeating itself in some cases and some youngsters follow the pattern they have observed in their parents. I believe THAT cycle needs to be broken, unemployed, child bearing youngsters need to be given opportunities for training and work in order to build a life. At the moment there are not enough opportunities I believe. I believe that the majority of teenagers wouldprefer the opportunity of work, of developping a sense of pride, self esteem and achievement to being on the dole? what stops them doing voluntary work... standing in a charity shop selling, offering to answer the phone in a hospital ward etc etc. It would be something on their CV. are there roles available and they just don't want to stand in a burger bar cause of the 'shame' that they think it would be have no data, just asking the question... Again I agree with you there, and I dont have data either. I do believe that role models (ie parental role models) play an important part in this and that is perhaps where eduaction in its broad sense needs to start. Of course there will be SOME who dont want to work, however, I really think that for the majority the pride of achievement, the sense of having done soemthign worthwhile is an essential need and basis for self esteem. Maybe we, as society need to focus on that a bit more as well as on providing good role models outside the family?" any good role models will be eventually shot down.... or people will do their best to do so. It is what some of the Brits do. | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world?" What do you propose to end the cycle of teenage pregnancies, unemployment and benefit claims? | |||
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years "We are members of the European Union....which allows freedom of movement for workers, short of pulling out of the EU we ain't gonna stop people coming in.... | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world?" why would the job centre check suitability to work in a Charity Shop? | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world? What do you propose to end the cycle of teenage pregnancies, unemployment and benefit claims? " What do YOU propose?.....enforced sterilisation? | |||
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years
We are members of the European Union....which allows freedom of movement for workers, short of pulling out of the EU we ain't gonna stop people coming in...."and of course that applies to British workers wanting to work elsewhere. | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world? why would the job centre check suitability to work in a Charity Shop? " Three Million Charity shop workers? Mind you could work....seeing as every other shop on some UK high streets is turning into a charity shop.... | |||
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years
We are members of the European Union....which allows freedom of movement for workers, short of pulling out of the EU we ain't gonna stop people coming in....
maybe its time we pulled out"Everybody in this country has the opportunity and right to work in Europe - two of my kids work abroad. | |||
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years
We are members of the European Union....which allows freedom of movement for workers, short of pulling out of the EU we ain't gonna stop people coming in....
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world? why would the job centre check suitability to work in a Charity Shop? Three Million Charity shop workers? Mind you could work....seeing as every other shop on some UK high streets is turning into a charity shop.... " Jane, I didn't propose every unemployed did, I answered a question about the young needing motivation to work, role models... I see the current volunteers are good models. | |||
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"we need to stop taking people in get our country sorted out before we try sort out other peoples mess and no im not racist or anything im just making a point. i would love to see what my taxes have paid for the last 21 years
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maybe its time we pulled out"Thanks but I am delighted to be able to work wherever I want in Europe....in fact my eldest son works in Italy at the moment, why should we deny young people this chance to better themselves and broaden their horizons? | |||
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question? Not really. Child benefit is purely a numbers game isn't it? £20 odd quid a week for the first , £15 or so for every other one without limit (i dont know?. Surely, after say 3 kids, marginal costs don't increase with every other kid. And do childrens real needs get met by knocking out more of them, often with different and absent fathers, just for financial reasons? " Is there any academic research that identifies financial motives for people having children? I know it's a commonplace meme on here that 'breeders' have kids to maximize their income, but ids there any research evidence that supports that? | |||
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"and if you wanted to work with a desire second to none, your CV looks better saying volunteered for 10 hours a week rather than blank." Absolutely true | |||
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"i think the government needs to go out and check on why these people cant work and if no valid reason is given they should have the benefits stopped the same for DSL" Aye, a new army of benefits snoopers would create loads of new jobs.... Genius that.... | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world? why would the job centre check suitability to work in a Charity Shop? Three Million Charity shop workers? Mind you could work....seeing as every other shop on some UK high streets is turning into a charity shop.... Jane, I didn't propose every unemployed did, I answered a question about the young needing motivation to work, role models... I see the current volunteers are good models." Don't get me wrong View....I absolutely agree, but in order for these unemployed people to be suitably assessed there needs to be time spent in Job Centres with advisors....and this government cut thousands of jobcentre positions since taking power. It's like putting someone into a circus cannon to fire them into the big wide world....then realising you have made the guy who lights the fuse redundant months before. | |||
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question? Not really. Child benefit is purely a numbers game isn't it? £20 odd quid a week for the first , £15 or so for every other one without limit (i dont know?. Surely, after say 3 kids, marginal costs don't increase with every other kid. And do childrens real needs get met by knocking out more of them, often with different and absent fathers, just for financial reasons? Is there any academic research that identifies financial motives for people having children? I know it's a commonplace meme on here that 'breeders' have kids to maximize their income, but ids there any research evidence that supports that? " What a great point to make - I have not been in a situation of having to claim benefit, but from what I gather it is still quite tough to raise kids on benefit alone. Kids are almost an expensive luxury these days, maybe I am naive but I cannot imagine anybody in their right mind thinking of getting rich on having more kids? | |||
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"Around 3 Million people unemployed....say half a day to check them for work suitability etc. That's around 12 million man hours to carry out the check.....just a matter of months after this government made thousands of Jobcentre workers redundant in their cuts. See now why all your good intentions just can't work in the real world? why would the job centre check suitability to work in a Charity Shop? Three Million Charity shop workers? Mind you could work....seeing as every other shop on some UK high streets is turning into a charity shop.... Jane, I didn't propose every unemployed did, I answered a question about the young needing motivation to work, role models... I see the current volunteers are good models. Don't get me wrong View....I absolutely agree, but in order for these unemployed people to be suitably assessed there needs to be time spent in Job Centres with advisors....and this government cut thousands of jobcentre positions since taking power. It's like putting someone into a circus cannon to fire them into the big wide world....then realising you have made the guy who lights the fuse redundant months before." Connexion Centres have cut (advisors') jobs by at least a third if not half in many places local to me... | |||
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we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
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"wow this is a real hot topic and we are sure we will get shot down over this but here goes. All this talk of chilodren missing out because parents have children they cannot afford. birth control is free
we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
"I can see your point totally - I am just thinking that the point of intervention in want of a better word) is not at cutting benefits as this might hurt the children. I think good role models, better education in terms of being able to afford children and a change int the perspective that living on benefit is a desirable option... this is what needs to happen in my opinion. | |||
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" On a slightly different note, do people consider "Child Benefit" to be a welfare benefit? I think, (serious for a moment) it depends on circumstances and I think the government have not got it right. Personally I would like to see all needy children being given a fair chance in life and I am not sure this is happening right now. Does that answer your question? Not really. Child benefit is purely a numbers game isn't it? £20 odd quid a week for the first , £15 or so for every other one without limit (i dont know?. Surely, after say 3 kids, marginal costs don't increase with every other kid. And do childrens real needs get met by knocking out more of them, often with different and absent fathers, just for financial reasons? Is there any academic research that identifies financial motives for people having children? I know it's a commonplace meme on here that 'breeders' have kids to maximize their income, but ids there any research evidence that supports that? I have grown up in a benefits town... lots of people having kids to get more benefits and talking openly about it... these kids don't have amazing lives... but their parents did take home more than my mum did working full time.... But is there academic research on the matter. Sorry, research, academic resreach, or it cannot exist. And who says to maximise income? Wouldn't optimise be more appropriate?" if they were optimising they would lie about the children they have.. to make more money and therfore have more spendable income... And i dont know if there is Academic research,, im not a researcher,,, im someone who grew up in a society that thought it was acceptable to scrounge and not work... i can only speak from my experience... But just to play devils advocate.. is there research that shows that this is not the case?? | |||
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"wow this is a real hot topic and we are sure we will get shot down over this but here goes. All this talk of chilodren missing out because parents have children they cannot afford. birth control is free
we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
I can see your point totally - I am just thinking that the point of intervention in want of a better word) is not at cutting benefits as this might hurt the children. I think good role models, better education in terms of being able to afford children and a change int the perspective that living on benefit is a desirable option... this is what needs to happen in my opinion."You're right, but there is a strong political reason why this government won't choose that option. If you believe that people need a new cultural set of beliefs to change behaviours, rather than demonizing claimants as moral failures, then you undermine one of this government's key tools in seeking to blame someone other than greedy bankers and buy to loot capitalists for the current crisis. | |||
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"I have recently been in the position of working with a local Jobcentre to fill two positions I have vacant, one 20 hours a week and one 30 hours.... I only went through the Jobcentre because they constantly pressure local businesses to use their 'expertice'....I turned up on the arranged afternoon in Newton Abbot Jobcentre to carry out the inter_iews they had arranged for me. The Job Advisor who was to sit in on the inter_iews wasn't available, because two of his colleagues had that week been made redundant and he had to cover BOTH of their positions. Result?......I wasted three hours of my time, I then had to wait a further Ten working days for the Jobcentre to have inter_iewees sent out to my premises so I could attempt to take two of them out of the jobless pool. In the end there was only one position vacant because someone walked into my little industrial unit off their own back.... So when I say all good intentions on these threads are well meant but fall apart in practice....I speak from personal experience of late." that would be disheartening ... but is that for a paid role. would a volunteer position require the JC to be as involved. If truth be told, I know not a lot about it so maybe not doable | |||
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yeah, that ended really well didn't it?"indeed.. all the curtain twitchers could have a field day snooping on their neighbours and informing to the state... 'cos we are all in it together.. | |||
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"wow this is a real hot topic and we are sure we will get shot down over this but here goes. All this talk of chilodren missing out because parents have children they cannot afford. birth control is free
we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
I can see your point totally - I am just thinking that the point of intervention in want of a better word) is not at cutting benefits as this might hurt the children. I think good role models, better education in terms of being able to afford children and a change int the perspective that living on benefit is a desirable option... this is what needs to happen in my opinion."as a start thats great but like we say birth control is free. theer should be no cap as every one can fall on hard times but it just grips us that people can have children for an easy life/ more money. as for all the comments about big buisness thats not the point although its wrong. why should those that work pay for those that cannot be bothered | |||
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yeah, that ended really well didn't it?
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all the curtain twitchers could have a field day snooping on their neighbours and informing to the state...
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yeah, that ended really well didn't it?
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"wow this is a real hot topic and we are sure we will get shot down over this but here goes. All this talk of chilodren missing out because parents have children they cannot afford. birth control is free
we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
I can see your point totally - I am just thinking that the point of intervention in want of a better word) is not at cutting benefits as this might hurt the children. I think good role models, better education in terms of being able to afford children and a change int the perspective that living on benefit is a desirable option... this is what needs to happen in my opinion.
as a start thats great but like we say birth control is free. theer should be no cap as every one can fall on hard times but it just grips us that people can have children for an easy life/ more money. as for all the comments about big buisness thats not the point although its wrong. why should those that work pay for those that cannot be bothered
"I know... but you know it is so bizarre, where I live there are quite a few women in their thirties who encourage their teenage daughters to get pregnant asap cos they find it cool to be a young granny! No consideration for their daughters, no thought about how the offspring will be fed and clothed.. What I am getting at, I suppose, is that culture of breeding without thinking about the consequences, This cannot be good for the kids or the parents and this is where I feel intervention and education are needed? | |||
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"So we ban people on benefits from having anymore children? How?.....Enforced Sterilisation? If not.....how else? Human Rights anyone?...." Absolutely - having kids, making choices about how many etc should be a choice based on reality checks, and being independent and not reliant on others as a concept. Thats where education is needed? | |||
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" I know... but you know it is so bizarre, where I live there are quite a few women in their thirties who encourage their teenage daughters to get pregnant asap cos they find it cool to be a young granny! No consideration for their daughters, no thought about how the offspring will be fed and clothed.. What I am getting at, I suppose, is that culture of breeding without thinking about the consequences, This cannot be good for the kids or the parents and this is where I feel intervention and education are needed?" See this is where I am really strict.. I was a gym slip mum... but my kids are so strongly encouraged not to.. in fact I have told them I am not ready to be a granny till I am in my late 40s at least. I get on really well with my sons current g/f and actually HE was talking to her about having a baby.. but her and I agreed it was not a good time.. We tried talking to him.. but.. ALL his mates had kids now..( he is only 20) but she wants to go to Uni and he wants to go back to college.. so mum wins this round.. However, there are a lot of the younger generation that think kids are cute and sweet..only to find to their horror that they are actually expensive, and time consuming. I keep a few of the local girls I know from wanting kids by letting them baby sit my lot for a bit.. AS cute babies to be baby sat is one thing... lol a hoard of two teenagers, one young lad..and a 5 year old with a princess complex normally puts them off
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" I know... but you know it is so bizarre, where I live there are quite a few women in their thirties who encourage their teenage daughters to get pregnant asap cos they find it cool to be a young granny! No consideration for their daughters, no thought about how the offspring will be fed and clothed.. What I am getting at, I suppose, is that culture of breeding without thinking about the consequences, This cannot be good for the kids or the parents and this is where I feel intervention and education are needed? See this is where I am really strict.. I was a gym slip mum... but my kids are so strongly encouraged not to.. in fact I have told them I am not ready to be a granny till I am in my late 40s at least. I get on really well with my sons current g/f and actually HE was talking to her about having a baby.. but her and I agreed it was not a good time.. We tried talking to him.. but.. ALL his mates had kids now..( he is only 20) but she wants to go to Uni and he wants to go back to college.. so mum wins this round.. However, there are a lot of the younger generation that think kids are cute and sweet..only to find to their horror that they are actually expensive, and time consuming. I keep a few of the local girls I know from wanting kids by letting them baby sit my lot for a bit.. AS cute babies to be baby sat is one thing... lol a hoard of two teenagers, one young lad..and a 5 year old with a princess complex normally puts them off
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" Cali THink you got it spot on !! "So if anyone wants to hire my children for contraceptive reasons.. then please feel free.. will do a bulk buy deal ... although my 5 year old is so cute she could have opposite effect if in a nice mood... lol *PS I AM NOT REALLY TRYING TO RENT MY KIDS ***
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"wow this is a real hot topic and we are sure we will get shot down over this but here goes. All this talk of chilodren missing out because parents have children they cannot afford. birth control is free
we both work full time and have one child as we feel we cannot afford another our choice.
we all go trough ard times but wqe should have a limit on how many kids you can have on benifit for example if you areboth working with 4 kids and bot get laid off we help however if you have never worked you get one child any more you support or they get taken into care yes we know this costs but better the child gets looked after properly.
also benifits should be earned working for the community maybe cleaning ghraffitee off walls or litter picking anything that makes the community better and for thoses that dont turn up nothing
I can see your point totally - I am just thinking that the point of intervention in want of a better word) is not at cutting benefits as this might hurt the children. I think good role models, better education in terms of being able to afford children and a change int the perspective that living on benefit is a desirable option... this is what needs to happen in my opinion.
as a start thats great but like we say birth control is free. theer should be no cap as every one can fall on hard times but it just grips us that people can have children for an easy life/ more money. as for all the comments about big buisness thats not the point although its wrong. why should those that work pay for those that cannot be bothered
I know... but you know it is so bizarre, where I live there are quite a few women in their thirties who encourage their teenage daughters to get pregnant asap cos they find it cool to be a young granny! No consideration for their daughters, no thought about how the offspring will be fed and clothed.. What I am getting at, I suppose, is that culture of breeding without thinking about the consequences, This cannot be good for the kids or the parents and this is where I feel intervention and education are needed?"pssst, when you've done reading the "i'm a MILF but want to be a GILF" academic research, pass it over please
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"... but in order for these unemployed people to be suitably assessed there needs to be time spent in Job Centres with advisors....and this government cut thousands of jobcentre positions since taking power. JobCentres are a joke. The staff don't give a shit about finding work for you as all they care about is using their limited powers of control to tell you to apply for this job or that job, to which you're clearly not suited, or trained for, and if you don't they launch into a scripted tirade about why you have to or your benefits get stopped. I have to go down there fortnightly just because if I don't the N.I. will assume I'm still working for the company I left in May 2011. (In May 2011, I paid £5k to retrain as a sparky out of my own pocket and qualified a week before Xmas, then with the baby arriving we decided I'd take January off and then look for a job, but I still have to sign on to keep my N.I. contribs up to date). I told the JobCentre twat all this and it was like I was speaking in feckin Swahili! They have no idea how to deal with me because they're used to pissed up oiks at 10am strolling in 20 minutes late to sign on and then berating them for smelling of alcohol. JobCentres? They exist purely to give those who work in them a job." Empathise with your frustration, Wishy, however, we were really discussing the capping of benefits here and I wonder what you make of the points put forward so far? | |||
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"Let's say the govt embarks on a massive programme of house building, 3m dwellings across the country - who is going to manage all those extra houses? Who is going to repair them when previous tenants move out taking the light fittings with them and stripping the copper out of them? We'll end up with an army of council workers employed to keep these houses in a fit state of repair, which will throw us right back to where we were when Maggie got rid of the bulk of govt owned housing stock. Times have changed and people are more empowered now than ever before. When rows and rows of terraced houses were built in the 1920s they weren't designed to last 100 years, they were to house workers who were needed in our mass industry back then. That industry has gone, long gone, and it isn't going to return anytime soon so there is no incentive to embark upon a house build programme to give those too feckin idle to get off their arses and provide for themselves. Isn't a man's home his castle? Or does he prefer to live in a tiny two-up two-down, never owning his own piece of land in this world, and sneering at those who have made something of themselves? When you're earned what you've got you take better care of it. Maggie recognised that and gave ordinary folk the chance to own the house they lived in. As is often the case you appear to know very little of which you speak; the number of voids where copper and light fittings have been stolen by departing tenants is vanishingly small and most landlords seek to recharge these debts to the former tenants...." oh yeah, so where's the academic research re landlords | |||
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All very well having these ideas, if you have a plan to actually carry them out."what we are saying is you get one child if you are benifits. if you have more the government pays no more it has to be done on a case by case basis but if you have never worked and have 5 kids earning 56000 a year thats just wrong
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that said we should have a system to earn credits doing work for your community "There is an argument for that - however, I am wondering what you would suggest if one or both parents loose their jobs after they they had the kids - it is not an unusual situation at the moment; I personally know of quite a few families who never considered being out of work and claiming... Sad times really | |||
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"Ah well, there was I thinking we were still discussing the capping of benefits - what did I miss "It's all related though isn't it. Cap someone's benefits who hasn't got a feckin clue who to give a P45 to and all he'll do is go out robbing, but if the govt doesn't cap benefits then the cycle is never broken and problem will escalate with each passing generation. I can't recall where I read it some years ago, but a very farsighted writer crafted something along the lines of the following: "When industry has gone and automaton does the job 10 men used to do, the new industry for the masses will be 'Leisure'. A growing populace with a reducing workforce leads to idle people with time on their hands... and a growing leisure industry if one has the intelligence to recognise it, and the willpower to capitalise on it." Smart fella. | |||
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Some of these oiks strip houses clean for the pure malice of it, because they've been kicked out on their arses for using their rent money to buy a new bike for the kids from a bloke flogging them down the pub. "Two things there, No 1 we might recharge a former tenant for those kind of things and also repairs that are the responsibility of the tenant but we rarely get it back and No 2, those that cause the most high recharge and those that abandon a property. Remember I work for a housing association and chasing former tenants is part of my job, can be an incredibly thankless task especially when the former tenant gets a Debt Relief order and we have no choice but to right it off. I think my debts are my responsibility to pay off hence slogging my backside off in a pub alongside a day job so this annoys me incredibly; I could run to the CAB with a pathetic sob story like a lot of them do but I would lose my house | |||
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" I know... but you know it is so bizarre, where I live there are quite a few women in their thirties who encourage their teenage daughters to get pregnant asap cos they find it cool to be a young granny! No consideration for their daughters, no thought about how the offspring will be fed and clothed.. What I am getting at, I suppose, is that culture of breeding without thinking about the consequences, This cannot be good for the kids or the parents and this is where I feel intervention and education are needed? See this is where I am really strict.. I was a gym slip mum... but my kids are so strongly encouraged not to.. in fact I have told them I am not ready to be a granny till I am in my late 40s at least. I get on really well with my sons current g/f and actually HE was talking to her about having a baby.. but her and I agreed it was not a good time.. We tried talking to him.. but.. ALL his mates had kids now..( he is only 20) but she wants to go to Uni and he wants to go back to college.. so mum wins this round.. However, there are a lot of the younger generation that think kids are cute and sweet..only to find to their horror that they are actually expensive, and time consuming. I keep a few of the local girls I know from wanting kids by letting them baby sit my lot for a bit.. AS cute babies to be baby sat is one thing... lol a hoard of two teenagers, one young lad..and a 5 year old with a princess complex normally puts them off
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" This is ridiculous. 12m man hours to assess the ouf of work. Fuck that. Ask each and every one "Are you wanting to work and are you capable of doing any work?" That's some 2m+ "Yes and yes" answers in minutes apiece. Next! Finding them paid work is another thing. " Before the massive job cuts in the Jobcentres there was a 'Back to Work' initiative in place, it included a recipient of JSA attending their jobcentre....or one of the several regional agencies that the government were using. These 'inter_iews' included help with writing CV's, employment history assessment, job search, and internet time.....they called it Jobclub. Jobclub involved attending a minimum of Four one hour sessions. That's Four hours multiplied by 3 million unemployed....or Twelve million man hours and climbing.... And of course there is the small point of where the Three Million jobs are coming from.....when jobs are being cut and over 100,000 have been added to JSA in the last quarter. | |||
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"... Can you not bring yourself to admit that by cutting thousands of Jobcentre positions the government are making the situation more difficult rather than helping the situation? Or are you so brainwashed by this lot that you miss that point? Are those who work in JobCentres trained in identifying who is fit to work and who isn't? No, they're not, they're 'trained' for want of a better phrase to describe them, in trying to help people find work. Now, in times when there is very little work available, what is the point hiring aditional staff to deal with finding additional people work that simply isn't there?" You have hit the nail on the head....you wouldn't need to employ additional Jobcentre staff....if you hadn't made thousands of Jobcentre staff redundant in the last Two years. They took the very people that were helping the unemployed to find work....and made them unemployed themselves. Great plan eh? | |||
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that is a benefit of a cap, also it does offer a cunning destraction for the slightly bolding."How very dare you! 
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"... Can you not bring yourself to admit that by cutting thousands of Jobcentre positions the government are making the situation more difficult rather than helping the situation? Or are you so brainwashed by this lot that you miss that point? Are those who work in JobCentres trained in identifying who is fit to work and who isn't? No, they're not, they're 'trained' for want of a better phrase to describe them, in trying to help people find work. Now, in times when there is very little work available, what is the point hiring aditional staff to deal with finding additional people work that simply isn't there?" So when the tories conjure up these millions of jobs they promised someone will be there to get them into work | |||
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"I understand your need to apologise in light of your mistaken observations. I'm not one to hold or grudge or malicious intent towards anyone. May the hairs on your arse turn into splinters! You do realise that the very future of Sports Direct is in turmoil and it could get rather messy if we "follow through" with this proposal of no arse splinters Be that as it may, but if the directors of sport do not replenish the benches with wood then the up and coming generations will be sans splinters in their derriers good sir!! fornicate that kind sir, the benefits of such a cap with a peak extender far outways the older and less effective short peaked scalp coverer" Can we bring Pork Pie hats into the equation?..... | |||
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"As is often the case you appear to know very little of which you speak; the number of voids where copper and light fittings have been stolen by departing tenants is vanishingly small and most landlords seek to recharge these debts to the former tenants.... Yes, of course oracle, oh fountain of knowledge. The govt are setting up a system to monitor scrap dealers simply because it's a jolly good idea, aren't they. Sheesh!
Some of these oiks strip houses clean for the pure malice of it, because they've been kicked out on their arses for using their rent money to buy a new bike for the kids from a bloke flogging them down the pub. "Well done dear chap, let's drag this down to your level eh? The scrappies are making their money off cable theft, not domestic copper. | |||
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"... but in order for these unemployed people to be suitably assessed there needs to be time spent in Job Centres with advisors....and this government cut thousands of jobcentre positions since taking power. JobCentres are a joke. The staff don't give a shit about finding work for you as all they care about is using their limited powers of control to tell you to apply for this job or that job, to which you're clearly not suited, or trained for, and if you don't they launch into a scripted tirade about why you have to or your benefits get stopped. I have to go down there fortnightly just because if I don't the N.I. will assume I'm still working for the company I left in May 2011. (In May 2011, I paid £5k to retrain as a sparky out of my own pocket and qualified a week before Xmas, then with the baby arriving we decided I'd take January off and then look for a job, but I still have to sign on to keep my N.I. contribs up to date). I told the JobCentre twat all this and it was like I was speaking in feckin Swahili! They have no idea how to deal with me because they're used to pissed up oiks at 10am strolling in 20 minutes late to sign on and then berating them for smelling of alcohol. JobCentres? They exist purely to give those who work in them a job." So you chose to take time off, but you want me, as a taxpayer, to pay your NI contribs for you while you don't bother looking for a job? What was it some sandal wearing Jewish hippie from about two thousand years ago said about taking the plank out of your own eye before you go looking for a speck of dust in other people's.... | |||
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"... So you chose to take time off, but you want me, as a taxpayer, to pay your NI contribs for you while you don't bother looking for a job?" No, I followed the law. " What was it some sandal wearing Jewish hippie from about two thousand years ago said about taking the plank out of your own eye before you go looking for a speck of dust in other people's...." I wouldn't have a clue, I wasn't there. Got anything more constructive to say? Hold on, let's leave out the 'more' part. | |||
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"As is often the case you appear to know very little of which you speak; the number of voids where copper and light fittings have been stolen by departing tenants is vanishingly small and most landlords seek to recharge these debts to the former tenants.... Yes, of course oracle, oh fountain of knowledge. The govt are setting up a system to monitor scrap dealers simply because it's a jolly good idea, aren't they. Sheesh!
Some of these oiks strip houses clean for the pure malice of it, because they've been kicked out on their arses for using their rent money to buy a new bike for the kids from a bloke flogging them down the pub.
Well done dear chap, let's drag this down to your level eh?
The scrappies are making their money off cable theft, not domestic copper. "Just cable theft eh? If we toddle along to any scrap merchant we won't find any copper piping at all, no? Have you ever visited the real world at all? | |||
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"theres having kids 1/2 but 6/7 is taking the pee no one can afford that no
I watched a programme last night where they had 12 kids and the housing association was giving them a nice 8 bedroom house, not sure either parent worked at all "i watched this program also, the bland family were a blended family. Both partners had kids from previous relationships and had some of their own together and also had taken in the wifes sisters kids.(saving them from foster care and extra thousands of pounds of government money) the husband had worked constantly since leaving school and had lost his job recently. | |||
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"So we ban people on benefits from having anymore children? How?.....Enforced Sterilisation? If not.....how else? Human Rights anyone?.... Absolutely - having kids, making choices about how many etc should be a choice based on reality checks, and being independent and not reliant on others as a concept. Thats where education is needed? we are glad you said that. we never mentioned enforced Sterilisation just why shoul we support people who push out babies for the fun of it or should that be the money of it. human rights state that everyone is entitled to a normal family life. not have as many kids as you like and expect the tax payer to bring your children up
So you won't have enforced sterilisation?
How else do you prevent unemployed women from having further children?
Enforced birth control?
How?.....
All very well having these ideas, if you have a plan to actually carry them out.
what we are saying is you get one child if you are benifits.
if you have more the government pays no more
it has to be done on a case by case basis but if you have never worked and have 5 kids earning 56000 a year thats just wrong
that said we should have a system to earn credits doing work for your community "right so you are working have a child and its all good, got a job etc then you are made redundant and have to claim. That's ok cos you got just the one kiddo. You're on birth control so no plans to have a baby. Oh poo....missed a pill, had the runs, condom split , coil come out and you find yourself pregnant. Right ok. Who's gonna pay for this baby....dole...no cos you only get benefits for one child, who's gonna employ a pregnant woman.?? No one! So choice is.....starve the baby, give it away or kill it.......those choices are gonna go down well aren't they | |||
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"theres having kids 1/2 but 6/7 is taking the pee no one can afford that no
I watched a programme last night where they had 12 kids and the housing association was giving them a nice 8 bedroom house, not sure either parent worked at all i watched this program also, the bland family were a blended family. Both partners had kids from previous relationships and had some of their own together and also had taken in the wifes sisters kids.(saving them from foster care and extra thousands of pounds of government money) the husband had worked constantly since leaving school and had lost his job recently. "Well and there you have it t,a classic example of stigmatisation where we would love to think this large family were engineered to swindle the benefits system ,its total crap ,yeah you get people who abuse all sorts of systems ,from politicians to doctors to civil sevants .Isnt it just a case that these people have no "organised" voice yet so they are easy to pick off as electorially unimportant . It makes it even more unpalatable for me, that both parts of the coalition government have no election mandate to do this ,it saves 290 mill pa but will make 40,000 familes in the london area alone homeless (the civil service have warned them ,the councils are warning them ,the house of lords are tossing it back as junk law. To me its just "blue mist" and will end up costing us all more,talk about a wrecking Ball to crack a nut.its politically and socially inept at best imho | |||
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"As is often the case you appear to know very little of which you speak; the number of voids where copper and light fittings have been stolen by departing tenants is vanishingly small and most landlords seek to recharge these debts to the former tenants.... Yes, of course oracle, oh fountain of knowledge. The govt are setting up a system to monitor scrap dealers simply because it's a jolly good idea, aren't they. Sheesh!
Some of these oiks strip houses clean for the pure malice of it, because they've been kicked out on their arses for using their rent money to buy a new bike for the kids from a bloke flogging them down the pub.
Well done dear chap, let's drag this down to your level eh?
The scrappies are making their money off cable theft, not domestic copper.
Just cable theft eh?
If we toddle along to any scrap merchant we won't find any copper piping at all, no?
Have you ever visited the real world at all?"Don't know any plumbers who weight in scrap after they've done a refit then WIshy? Some of the stuff you come out with is beyond parody. Do the one about the law forcing you to sign on again, that's good for a giggle... | |||
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"Don't know any plumbers who weight in scrap after they've done a refit then WIshy? Some of the stuff you come out with is beyond parody. Do the one about the law forcing you to sign on again, that's good for a giggle..." You're obnoxiousness knows no bounds and you're way out on your own with your facetious and somewhat delirious _iews. It leaves me no alternative but to come to the conclusion that although you may post with eloquently constructed English at times your experience is not of the real world and that you must be housebound with nothing but the internet to keep you company during the long lonely hours spent online trying to find a friend. A task that, for you, can never be accomplished, I'm afraid. | |||
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"maybe we should use the japanese system and limit couples to 1 child." That's China and it lead to huge numbers of female foetuses being aborted, children calling their parents "aunty" and "uncle" to get round the limit and the single child often being massively spoilt by the parents. | |||
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