FabSwingers.com forum: Should parents of obese children be punished

By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

I'm not talking about chunky kids or "puppy fat". I was helping out as a rugby tournament over the weekend, and there were some kids in the under 15 squad who were massive. One girl looked about 18 or 19 stone. As she walked past she was talking about the 4 dishes she wanted from the Chinese takeaway that night.. so it's pretty safe to rule out a genetic disorder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should unless the child as a medical problem that causes them to be obese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can be, and there are instances where they have been.

It is classed as a form of abuse - but only where it can be proven it is wilfully done to cause harm.

Health services, education and professional support would be a better option than fines or punishment.

Otherwise you could say the same for underfed children from poor/low income families where parents feed their kids whilst they starve - they’re still malnourished - but not through wilful harm or neglect.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

Yeah, it's disgusting to see some young kids around these days.

I don't mean disgusting because they're overweight, I mean disgusting to think a parent would allow their child to become so unhealthy so young.

I personally consider it a form of abuse, or neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would you punish the parents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents? "

Enforced education rather than criminalise would be the best approach. Our culture is turning into a criminalising culture and it's got to stop. It's slowly getting out of hand with the way government is putting in measures to catch people out in order to gain more revenue, instead of investing and promoting good education and prevention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

Exactly, prisons are already full, education is the key.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Educate. Most parents want what’s best for their kids.

Although after watching Abducted in plain sight yesterday I’m

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By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"How would you punish the parents? "

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits..

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

It's not always the parents fault though.

I'm a fat adult who was a fat child too. The reason I've always been fat is because I eat stuff I shouldn't.

My parents didn't give me loads of crap food as a child - I got it myself. I used to steal it out of the cupboards and would climb up on the counters to get to the highest shelves. I would occasionally pinch 10p out of my mum's purse to buy sweets - not too often though as she would have notice it going missing. I made friends with the children of the family who ran the local corner shop - they were allowed to help themselves to the sweets and crisps and always got some for me too.

My dad always kept change in his pocket. From about the age of 10 I used to volunteer to do the hoovering. I would steal the money that fell out of his pockets and ended up on the floor so I could buy crap food on the way to and from school.

My parents didn't make me fat, I made me fat. Why should my parents have been punished because of my relationship with food?

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By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits.. "

Just to clarify, I'm not saying remove the kids. But I find it baffling that people can claim ignorance in the modern climate.

I do believe that food tech should be taught all the way through school..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits.. "

Don't think social services should, they are more driconion than educational IMO. Limited with following through to the end as controlled by governing tick box approach and apparently limited finances. One way of limiting finances it to insist on spreading it too thinly and thus become less effective and unhelpful but giving hope and then taking it away prematurely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits.. "

Yeah I read about this. How about don't buy fucking biscuits.

It's another form of neglect. The parent is supposed to care for the child in the best way possible so If that isn't happening social services should step in.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

People with obese dogs do so parents should too.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"How would you punish the parents? "

They should be made to eat their children.

Raw.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op be careful, I got crucified when I did a similar thread about 3 years ago about the overweight kid in my daughters class and the mother sitting there at 10 am drinking a litre bottle of lucozade, 2 packets of crisps, chocolates and a peters pasty, the class was only 30 minutes!

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By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"Op be careful, I got crucified when I did a similar thread about 3 years ago about the overweight kid in my daughters class and the mother sitting there at 10 am drinking a litre bottle of lucozade, 2 packets of crisps, chocolates and a peters pasty, the class was only 30 minutes! "

Yeah I have seen a lot of that. As an adult it is there choice, but to impose that on a child can cause massive damage, both physically and psychologically.

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By *pforfun1234562016Couple
over a year ago

leamington spa

Yes i was shopping in tesco other day and a lady with 3 extreme overweight kids her shopping trolley was full of all the crap foods frozen chips ready meals crisps biscuits etc not one bit of veg or healthy food some are totally lazy and ignorent to what they feeding their kids and yes she was at checkouts so i guess that was the full shop

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

They don't see it as the foods fault, claim it runs in the family - the only thing that runs in the family is that no-one does (or even walk)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have the opposite end of the spectrum where my kid looks too skinny.

She eats like a tank though but does drama on a Monday after school, swimming and dance on a Tuesday, 1.5 hour sparring class for kickboxing on Wednesday, 2 hour kickboxing class on Thursday and gymnastics on Friday. That’s without the rugby she plays in school and the cross country running every other Saturday. She’s 9 but has a 4 pack and muscle definition in her back and her legs. Trying to drop some activities to save me some money but she won’t quit any!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mother is feeder lol. It dose not matter if you are hungry or not, skiny or fat you look like you need a good meal inside you.

She is fully aware of the health problems it may cause but loves far to much to dare think we may go peckish for an hour. As a child i was fat, bullied and teased. My clothes were always clean my plate was always full.now a grown adult i have a normal bmi and 31inc waist. She did nothing but love and care for us. Should she be punished? Is this a crime?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not always the parents fault though.

I'm a fat adult who was a fat child too. The reason I've always been fat is because I eat stuff I shouldn't.

My parents didn't make me fat, I made me fat. Why should my parents have been punished because of my relationship with food?"

Advertising and industry have to also take responsibility. That said, we also now live in a cultured mindset that says , I'm entitled, I need to have and it's all easy got too. We have more spending money that ever before and have easy access to money we don't have today. When I was growing up I never owned anything I hadn't fully paid for, and as a result looked after it and respected it's value and kept it. Today for example it's almost unheard of for someone not to replace their perfectly good and more than capable smartphone every 18months or 2 years for another £800 flashing screen that does exactly what the previous one did, the buttons are different, the colour is different, runs the same 7 apps, but it's 9 nano seconds faster than the previous one that has suddenly lost its attraction because someone else is getting all the attention from their friends with the latest gadget.

Bit off track from the OP but it's all part of the problem if greed, expectations and easy access our government and society has now created.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was really fat as a child (I mean I am now but was slim through some parts of my life) my parents would buy everything, chocolate in the fridge in the chocolate bin, I started to get bad knees and mum took me to the doctors and he plainly said it was my weight, from that moment on they stopped buying all the bad stuff, I didn’t change my weight that much but it helped, it wasn’t until I was in senior school that I lost loads of weight, to the point I was eating one meal a day and I was skinny as fuck.

My parents were educated when they took me to the doctors and it was put to them if I didn’t loose weight so and so would happen, they did totally the right thing and my knees did get better because I did loose some weight.

A lot of the time (and I am not saying every obese child here) is being bought up by kids themselves now, also we live in a world now where you can’t tell your kids off etc, can’t twke stuff away (I have a very old style parenting to my kids), like these kids that sit and play video games day in day out, parents need to be accountable.

Parenting classes need to be a proper thing, I don’t mean when you have baby, I mean we need classes for when kids are older because some parents don’t have a fucking clue how to cook. I watched a program a few years ago and it was a program about how big portions should be for a pizza (amongst other things) and I was shocked how much a child of 8 should eat of a small personal pizza (it was just one slice).

Education is key.

Geeky x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Usually crucified because one touches a sore point. Don't be afraid to touch on site points, it's what gets people thinking. Some can't live with the abuse but never stop. Someone will change as a result, that's got to be good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone remember that Jamie Oliver program years where he tried to get kids eating healthy at school? The parents where stuffing burgers and chips through the school gates for their kids.

It's pretty much always down to the fault of parents.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Bit like the Harambe thread that went whammo because people had the gall to say kids should be supervised at the zoo at all times.

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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I had the opposite growing up...enforced physical activity and unhealthy food was very strictly rationed. I didn’t even know what a takeout was until I was eighteen...had no clue they existed. All that happened was I put the weight on as an adult.

Parents make choices. Would you want to be punished for every mistake you make? Most parents want their kids to grow up healthy and strong but often don’t know how. Extending Jamie Oliver’s free cooking classes for those on low incomes, offering parents nutrition courses if their kid weighs in as overweight or obese for their National Child Measurement Programme at school...these are things thst can help open eyes rather than fear of punishment.

Fun fact - most of them don’t realise. The Health Survey for England released in November showed clearly that surveyed parents consistently thought their children were less overweight/obese than they actually were...they genuinely thought they were at a healthy weight. Therefore, it is an educational issue, not an abuse issue.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Education, enable healthier choices, examine root causes. As others have said.

Look to the role of industry and culture. It's become way too normal to "deserve" a calorie bomb treat for no good reason. As adults, more power to you. As kids, let's not train their palates to dislike water, fruit and vegetables.

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By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"Anyone remember that Jamie Oliver program years where he tried to get kids eating healthy at school? The parents where stuffing burgers and chips through the school gates for their kids.

It's pretty much always down to the fault of parents."

I work with a guy who was at that school when they did it. The kids hated it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They can be, and there are instances where they have been.

It is classed as a form of abuse - but only where it can be proven it is wilfully done to cause harm.

Health services, education and professional support would be a better option than fines or punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That thread! Pasty woman.

Big bones.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Whats happened to cookery at school .... home economics .some

Children and adults havent a clue how to cook ...a well balanced meal, opening the oven putting pizza and chips in .... or using the microwave for a ready meal is not cooking to me ... supermarkets are full of quick , high fat , high sugar ready meals ...fast food is everywhere now , for quickness.

We need to go back to basics ,

But unfortunately times have changed... education is the key... I work with some youngsters who dont know how to poach an egg... sad, but unless they do basic cookery courses there's little hope .

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Lazy parents are to blame they are responsible for their children's health but what can you do you won't change them they are too lazy to change.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

You can microwave frozen vegetables and dump tinned fish on it. I do it all the time (fish cold, otherwise stink).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The issue is these kids have slow metabolisms. And really fast chip eating fingers

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The issue is these kids have slow metabolisms. And really fast chip eating fingers"

People mock slow metabolism, but it does exist (in some people).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not talking about chunky kids or "puppy fat". I was helping out as a rugby tournament over the weekend, and there were some kids in the under 15 squad who were massive. One girl looked about 18 or 19 stone. As she walked past she was talking about the 4 dishes she wanted from the Chinese takeaway that night.. so it's pretty safe to rule out a genetic disorder

Should parents who allow their children to become so overweight be punished? It is difficult to blame a child when so much food is being provided for them by their parents. Can these people not see how damaging it can be?"
no I don’t think parents should be punished maybe educated more on food facts....these days it’s so easy and tempting to eat the wrong foods.....What we should be doing is encouraging our young to do exercises instead of letting children play on game consoles all day long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Education and also the supermarkets getting on board. Sometimes it really is about finance - it’s cheaper and easier to buy crap. Yes Aldi for example do 5 fruit or veg at 69p but a bag of cheap chips is much cheaper than a punnet of strawberries or a pineapple. Bread is cheap too and fills kids up. If you have a limited budget that’s the prime concern over eating 5 veg or fruit a day.

WH Smith are my bugbear, loads of chocolate by the tills.

I’m not saying the parents aren’t responsible, there’s a social responsibility too though.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Education and also the supermarkets getting on board. Sometimes it really is about finance - it’s cheaper and easier to buy crap. Yes Aldi for example do 5 fruit or veg at 69p but a bag of cheap chips is much cheaper than a punnet of strawberries or a pineapple. Bread is cheap too and fills kids up. If you have a limited budget that’s the prime concern over eating 5 veg or fruit a day.

WH Smith are my bugbear, loads of chocolate by the tills.

I’m not saying the parents aren’t responsible, there’s a social responsibility too though. "

This.

And before anyone says, ooh, veg are cheap... It's much cheaper per serving and for what fills bellies to buy crap. So much cheaper.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WH Smith are my bugbear, loads of chocolate by the tills.

I’m not saying the parents aren’t responsible, there’s a social responsibility too though. "
totally agree if healthy foods was more cheaper then I’m sure our children would all be a lot healthier I’m sure....supermarkets need to turn the tables make healthy food more affordable and junk food more expensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I replied as I really wanted to some of these replies I would get banned!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone remember that Jamie Oliver program years where he tried to get kids eating healthy at school? The parents where stuffing burgers and chips through the school gates for their kids.

It's pretty much always down to the fault of parents.

I work with a guy who was at that school when they did it. The kids hated it."

That was in Wath, near me. Jamie Oliver shop thing in town didn't last that long either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a big lass, wobble in all the right (and wrong) places. It's too late for me (45) to change my relationship with food but I'll be damned if my lo has a similar experience. Don't get me wrong, about once a month we will bake some buns or a cake - but she's allowed one selection box at Christmas and one Easter egg (last year's is still in the cupboard and will be binned when I think on). Last Halloween she threw all the sweets from the previous year away. I'm hoping we will continue to work together on our relationship with food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah stone them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not punished no. Educated yes. X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm a big lass, wobble in all the right (and wrong) places. It's too late for me (45) to change my relationship with food but I'll be damned if my lo has a similar experience. Don't get me wrong, about once a month we will bake some buns or a cake - but she's allowed one selection box at Christmas and one Easter egg (last year's is still in the cupboard and will be binned when I think on). Last Halloween she threw all the sweets from the previous year away. I'm hoping we will continue to work together on our relationship with food "

I think this is it. I have my own issues with food, but I grew up eating and loving fresh fruit and vegetables. Kids who don't... it's a nasty shock to realise that you do have to eat them, a lot harder to retrain your palate and figure out a new normal. Ditto exercise (where I wasn't so lucky and struggle).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not all were meant to be athletic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I genuinely think there needs to be more help out there. I don't mean education and dieticians. That's secondary. Binge eating disorder is a certified mental health disorder just like anorexia and bulimia. There needs to be treatment medication and therapy and then dieticians and education when the person is in recovery.

There is far more to it than "just stopping eating" or eating healthy. Usually it covers up some kind of childhood trauma which hasn't been dealt with.

But when you see an 18-19 stone kid that's defintely not the norm and effective help should be offered just like someone with bulimia or anorexia. They aren't just fat, they are eating themselves to death.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I genuinely think there needs to be more help out there. I don't mean education and dieticians. That's secondary. Binge eating disorder is a certified mental health disorder just like anorexia and bulimia. There needs to be treatment medication and therapy and then dieticians and education when the person is in recovery.

There is far more to it than "just stopping eating" or eating healthy. Usually it covers up some kind of childhood trauma which hasn't been dealt with.

Yeah, mental health issues play a big role in overeating. For better or worse, food can make you feel better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents? "

Revoke their child benefit perhaps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will also add that I firmly believe my own mental health issues don't help - stressed out - eat. Happy eat. Can't sleep eat

My manpup won't be like me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I usually find it’s the tone / intent / delivery (take your pick) of the post that gets crucified as opposed to the mere content.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shag is that you?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Obesity is a problem, it isn't just parents who are to blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve a very under active thyroid and take meds for it but I still watch what I eat as I’m concerned that as I’ve a slow metabolism then I’ll put weight on if I stuff my face.

BBW might be celebrated on fab but not by me.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

There are a lot of overweight children in my year 8's class. My daughter notices what they have in their lunch boxes every day....crisps, fizzy, chocolate bar, one girl has cold chicken nuggets.

The school has sent various emails regarding healthy eating but unfortunately a lot of it falls on deaf eyes. Poor bastards will probably end up diabetic or something.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I have thyroid issues and PCOS I was always an healthy child til these health issues started in my mid teens. My weight has been nothing but trouble since I have to be really strict diet wise and excercise wise just to pretty much maintain my weight as it is at the moment. That’s always been encouraged by my parents, I wouldn’t want to think that they’d be punished for conditions they can’t control especially when they helped me to try and manage them the best I can/could

I continue to do my best to manage them today and all of my children are of healthy weights and they eat the same healthy meals as I do with occasional treats. I also restrict tablet time so they aren’t just mindlessly sat on their arses all day

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By (user no longer on site)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't. "

Yep. There was usually one obese child in the whole school in the sixties and seventies, it became one in every class and now its reached the current situation. This is an unpopular opinion but if adults accept obesity among adults as normal it follows that it will be accepted among children as normal.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't. "

Reliance on confidence foods and technological developments meaning people don’t move as much as they used to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't. "

There wasn’t any in my school! It’s the junk food they feed them now!

Was lucky if we had a fish and chips!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes parents should be held to account because it is child abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Reliance on confidence foods and technological developments meaning people don’t move as much as they used to "

Also food being available 24/7 delivered straight to home. Only have to move off the couch to answer the doorbell...!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society)."

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do."

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No that would destroy the dreams of chubby chasers nation wide snd destroy the fab institution that is the bbw thread

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue. "

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues."

Sure. And I'm happy to have those conversations, including where it's personal. In fact I have, and am working on my own issues. I just think that the default of blaming the individual and shaming them for whatever character deficit is counterproductive.

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over a year ago

Should go back to the caveman days ... No tech to make people lazy and you had to run and catch your food ... That'll keep you fit haha.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Should go back to the caveman days ... No tech to make people lazy and you had to run and catch your food ... That'll keep you fit haha.

Live to the ripe old age of died in childbirth. Woo!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues.

I don't think I've done that but I do think personal accountability should be addressed along with all the other relevant factors.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

I don't think you need to punish anyone. All the unhealthy stuff is aimed at kids using bright colours and cartoon type characters to promote them. Do what they've done with fags and make the packaging unattractive.

Tempted to say a lot of 'food' products should be banned but instead maybe make foods be called what they actually are as well? Call chocolate 'Tasty Sugar and Fat bar with no real nutrition'. Call processed foods 'Shit we would've thrown away if we couldn't have covered it in gravy, salt, flavourings, or MSG to make it taste of something'.

Teach people to love their body and treat it like it needs nutrition and not 'treats' that are basically tasty crap.

Your body is a temple, why fill it with shite? And if you're still overweight after feeding yourself healthy food then at least your eating well. Being overweight isn't really an issue anyway, it is more eating crap is the problem. And if it'scoz you're poor or cba or too disabled to make your own food,well all these issues need to be sorted too.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues.

I don't think I've done that but I do think personal accountability should be addressed along with all the other relevant factors."

I mean in general terms, not specifically you. I think they've done research to show that shaming makes the problem worse. Personally, in my weight struggles (which include two long term conditions that are genetic, poor physical education, other health issues which compound it, injury, and medication correlated with sometimes extreme weight gain), I've found empowerment best. How do you make the best of your body? Rather than "eat a vegetable, lard arse". I've had plenty of the latter, too, and it doesn't help me resist the sweets.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues.

I don't think I've done that but I do think personal accountability should be addressed along with all the other relevant factors.

I agree I think parents should be empowered but I struggle with the amount of easily available dietary advice and the low take up rate when it comes to what some parents feed their children. How do we empower them, how do we make people listen without coercion?

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over a year ago

"Why is it only a relatively recent issue? I don't remember any really big kids in school. The ones who thought they were fat, really weren't.

Good point.

It is 'normal' now. We're not allowed to talk about it (in general society).

Its a hugely sensitive subject but unless it can be discussed openly nothing will be done. It's no good telling children to do as we say, not as we do.

There's got to be a line between addressing issues and shaming people. So often the latter happens. It's not just an individual issue.

Yes, I agree but there also needs to be a willingness to discuss the subject without seeing offence where none is intended.

I wouldn't dream of getting involved in a discussion with an individual about weight issues.

I don't think I've done that but I do think personal accountability should be addressed along with all the other relevant factors."

Exactly. There's a difference between blaming and shaming. Accountability is a better word for it though.

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over a year ago

"I don't think you need to punish anyone. All the unhealthy stuff is aimed at kids using bright colours and cartoon type characters to promote them. Do what they've done with fags and make the packaging unattractive.

Teach people to love their body and treat it like it needs nutrition and not 'treats' that are basically tasty crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would lead to a backlash of people claiming 'fat shaming' and so on.

For whatever reasons we live in a society that's getting fatter and fatter. Parents are only a part of the problem (albeit they are also the most responsible for it).

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It would lead to a backlash of people claiming 'fat shaming' and so on.

For whatever reasons we live in a society that's getting fatter and fatter. Parents are only a part of the problem (albeit they are also the most responsible for it)."

I think as a species we're wired to eat when food's available because in earlier times it wasn't always. Nowadays for many people high calorie, low nutrient food is only an arms length away all the time. It's too easy to eat.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

Two of my kids were pretty fat at school. 38" waist fat. Not from poor diet, lack of exercise or bad living. They both grew a foot taller within a year or so and both became proper bean poles. Keep your nasty finger pointing to yourselves until you've walked a mile in these kids shoes. Your assumptuons on their lifestyles maybe entirely wrong. Be glad that your own health amd metabolism allows you to have the bidy you want. Many don't get the choice.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

Maybe tackle the food lobby about the toxic shit they sell these days.....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Maybe tackle the food lobby about the toxic shit they sell these days....."

If nobody bought it they wouldn't sell it.

The problem needs to be tackled from every angle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my humble opinion parents should be held accountable for their children being overweight...

I believe this started when parents started asking their children what they wanted to eat...instead of feeding them healthy food that children don’t want to eat...

I’m not a parent but I highly doubt any child would ask for vegetables over something they like to eat...

My parents cooked what they wanted to eat and made me eat what they liked... if we went to a restaurant... they ordered for me...they always ordered me milk , never soda.

I wasn’t allowed any candy except during the holidays and we never had soda , cookies , or any junk food in the house...

I was put into sports year round and wasn’t allowed to play video games... if I said to my parents I was bored... they would throw 3 books at me to read or kick me out the house to go play outside...

If parents actually started being parents again instead of trying to be friends with their children. I believe this would cut down on childhood obesity.....

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

I agree. They could also stop putting profit ahead of health. Tackle the organisations that fill food with absolute rubbish that nobody needs to put in their body ... obese or not. If it wasn’t available then people wouldn’t buy it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my 9year olds class several of the children are obese, I mean properly obese, they even waddle as they walk. My girl tells me what their lunch box consists of its shocking to hear. Parents are responsible

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How would you punish the parents?

It's catch 22 really because you could also say if people didn't buy it nobody would sell it.

There has to be personal accountability in my opinion coupled with corporate and government accountability.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Yep parents are totally responsible ...

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over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

It's catch 22 really because you could also say if people didn't buy it nobody would sell it.

There has to be personal accountability in my opinion coupled with corporate and government accountability."

Why should they stop selling chocolate just because some people won't take responsibility for eating 6 bars a day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read through the thread but...i blame the people. I was going to say government but we enable goverment. Government allows the agriculture, education, food and big pharma to f*ck us. We are so weak as a population we, for the most part, suck it up and allow it. Money makes the world go round, it's now making our men, women and children round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents are "made" to take education and this is made fun and interesting ... the trouble is you can't make them go away AND take up the measures that they are shown! We give them pedometers (kids get wrist ones) we teach them cooking (around any given medical conditions) we teach them that fresh food is actually cheaper we give them free exercise classes and much more but you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink! 9 times out of 10 we're banging our heads on a brick wall even when the kids want to change ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven't read through the thread but...i blame the people. I was going to say government but we enable goverment. Government allows the agriculture, education, food and big pharma to f*ck us. We are so weak as a population we, for the most part, suck it up and allow it. Money makes the world go round, it's now making our men, women and children round. "

It takes individuals to make this change ... just make these changes and it will/is spreading

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but they should in the first instance be offered support and education. If they continue then take them down the neglect route.

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over a year ago

"No, but they should in the first instance be offered support and education. If they continue then take them down the neglect route."

Here in Cornwall they are but it rarely works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Society requires tweeking in all areas. Too many to be fair. So to tackle it, people need to take responsibility. As parents, we need to be strong educate and instill better habits in children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can someone be honest with me?

Do people really need to be educated about feeding their children health food?

I’m just curious because I own 2 cavalier King Charles spaniels and no one had to educate me about not feeding them table/human food...

Now if you see people with overweight dogs, is it the government and corporations fault?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Can someone be honest with me?

Do people really need to be educated about feeding their children health food?

I’m just curious because I own 2 cavalier King Charles spaniels and no one had to educate me about not feeding them table/human food...

Now if you see people with overweight dogs, is it the government and corporations fault?"

Yes they do. I work with families and some things they do or don’t do would shock a lot of people.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How would you punish the parents?

It's catch 22 really because you could also say if people didn't buy it nobody would sell it.

There has to be personal accountability in my opinion coupled with corporate and government accountability.

Why should they stop selling chocolate just because some people won't take responsibility for eating 6 bars a day?"

Because they research human frailty and use it against us in order to sell more chocolate, and fuck the consequences. Because as a society we try to help the vulnerable. Because we need to reset cultural norms on what a treat is, how often to have it, etc, and a lot of that has been shaped by marketing. (I've even seen gyms go, "you've worked out, now have a treat!" and they pretend to give a damn about your health)

I'm not saying it's all the fault of the companies, but it'd be good if they too faced some responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can someone be honest with me?

Do people really need to be educated about feeding their children health food?

I’m just curious because I own 2 cavalier King Charles spaniels and no one had to educate me about not feeding them table/human food...

Now if you see people with overweight dogs, is it the government and corporations fault?

Yes they do. I work with families and some things they do or don’t do would shock a lot of people. "

So let me get this straight.....

We now as a society have to educate adults not feed their children junk food because they will get fat......

So these same people who are smart enough to get a job , pay bills, drive a car , and have sex.... have no clue about a proper diet......

Hmmm something doesn’t add up

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

It's catch 22 really because you could also say if people didn't buy it nobody would sell it.

There has to be personal accountability in my opinion coupled with corporate and government accountability."

I agree with you. We all make choices but you can’t get away from the fact that ingredients and additives are included that are detrimental to health. Anyone’s health, no matter about weight. It’s unnecessary and it is having massive consequences in my opinion.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Can someone be honest with me?

Do people really need to be educated about feeding their children health food?

I’m just curious because I own 2 cavalier King Charles spaniels and no one had to educate me about not feeding them table/human food...

Now if you see people with overweight dogs, is it the government and corporations fault?

Yes they do. I work with families and some things they do or don’t do would shock a lot of people.

So let me get this straight.....

We now as a society have to educate adults not feed their children junk food because they will get fat......

So these same people who are smart enough to get a job , pay bills, drive a car , and have sex.... have no clue about a proper diet......

Hmmm something doesn’t add up"

As I said, you would be shocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

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over a year ago

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong. "

Wrong in what way?

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over a year ago

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Wrong in what way? "

In every way

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits.. "

Social services have enough to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah they should be punished how can anyone let their children become lazy and over weight to muck fast food restaurants and fucking PlayStation's ect my day had to walk or ride everywhere and Never had so many fast food takeaways ect only had a local chippy or a MacDonald that was 4miles away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Wrong in what way?

In every way"

The guidelines are just those ... guidelines aimed at people who need easy targets on their road to better health! If you told someone who never eats fruit and veg to eat 10 plus portions a day it would never work!

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over a year ago

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Wrong in what way?

In every way

Personally. I don't believe that the guidelines promote healthy eating. They still say, things like, eat less often and things similar. However these need to be highlighted. Good and bad products. At the minute, they are sitting on the fence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

O.P. While I see your point, it is not enforceable, how about underweight children? Or those sleepy in class? Or those not helped to reach university through homework help and extra education... the list is endless.

Perhaps we just need shops to ban or ration the sale of everything that is a potential risk to health instead, though that is not a world I want to visit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There’s not enough education on portion sizes, we have four kids they are all in the healthy weight class and carry out activities out of school, we encourage them to walk etc and we go out every weekend with them.

They get snacks and treats, but in proportion.

If you want a shock weigh out 80grams of cereal, that’s an average adults portion.

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over a year ago

Cheap processed food, manufactured by the major food companies and the rise of the cheap takeaway are to blame.

We live in an age where something that you either slam in the oven or get from a takeaway are cheaper than relax ingredients. Add to this the tightening of household budgets and the fact people are working longer days it's easy to see why this tomebomb is happening.

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong. "

Totally agree. If they were right, why would there be the huge increases in obesity and diabetes since the guidelines were introduced.

Too much industry influence, lack of any actual science gone into them and likely just gone too far to backtrack now. Which is a shame as they filter down into hospital food, school food, recommendations by charities like DiabetesUK etc.

If you want an actual starting point, eat real unprocessed food and stop worrying about how much fat and calories is in it.

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By *irthandgirth OP Man
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Totally agree. If they were right, why would there be the huge increases in obesity and diabetes since the guidelines were introduced.

If you want an actual starting point, eat real unprocessed food and stop worrying about how much fat and calories is in it.

TB"

But actual cooking skills are being lost. Fewer and fewer people cook from scratch.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Totally agree. If they were right, why would there be the huge increases in obesity and diabetes since the guidelines were introduced.

If you want an actual starting point, eat real unprocessed food and stop worrying about how much fat and calories is in it.

But actual cooking skills are being lost. Fewer and fewer people cook from scratch."

That's true. Our daughter used to take some of her friends shopping and show them how to cook the ingredients when she was 18 because they didn't know how to eat cheaply and well.

I think what would get the healthy diet across is some insta, snap and youtube *stars* maybe

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits..

Yeah I read about this. How about don't buy fucking biscuits.

It's another form of neglect. The parent is supposed to care for the child in the best way possible so If that isn't happening social services should step in."

. Early intervention is key. Being overweight makes people lethargic and prone to comfort eat this making them fatter, thus more lethargic and more comfort eating.... If kids are encouraged to be active and healthy there is more chance of them becoming active healthy adults. Fat kids = lazy parents

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Cheap processed food, manufactured by the major food companies and the rise of the cheap takeaway are to blame.

Good quality food has never been so cheap, we have never spend such a small proportion of our income on sustainance. Takeaway food is expensive, unhealthy and tastes crap. I can make much better food, way cheaper, in less time and less effort than it takes to go to collect a take away. We have to get away from the weekly/daily take away mentality, there is no excuse. Fat families should be put on food awareness courses and be issued with take away banning orders...

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"My mother is feeder lol. It dose not matter if you are hungry or not, skiny or fat you look like you need a good meal inside you.

Not punished but educated...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Yes & No!

I'm a former teacher, I'm also a qualified chef & nutritionist.

Seeing what some kids used to bring to school in their lunch boxes was appalling.

Cooking is a dying art!

People can walk into a supermarket these days & buy a family ready meal for a fiver.

Yes it's cheap, but it's packed full of crap.

You can cook the same healthy version from scratch for a similar cost

Cookery or home economics hasn't been taught in most schools for years, people are growing up unaware how to cook and passing it onto their children.

Those lessons need to be brought back.

Where I would say action should be taken against parents that are the ones that allow their kids to eat junk food, takeaways everyday.

I live in a village.

We have dominoes, pizza hut, 3 fish & chip shops, 3 Indians, 3 Chinese, 1 Greek, 1 Italian 2 kebab & burger bars.

I know children that rarely have a home cooked meal, eat from 1 of those everyday, and they are all very overweight, not even teenagers & their future health is already at risk.

I consider allowing your child to become obese a form of physical abuse.

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln

I consider allowing your child to become obese a form of physical abuse.

When it gets to the point of actual obesity yes, obviously differences whether it’s through ignorance or just a lack of giving a shit.

The former should be rectified through better education, the latter, I’m not sure but some element of short sharp shock might be an idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if one child is overweight and they others are slim?

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Well then that would obviously need some further investigation but that’s not the general scenario that’s being considered here.

There’s a few families at my daughter’s school where the parents are obese and so are all the kids so clearly there’s a big issue with food and lifestyle in their house, yet I bet at the Y6 weight check they’d kick off at the letter and say its just ‘puppy fat’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young."

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit.

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over a year ago

"Can't educate, when government and medical professionals can't even promote a healthy diet. The national guidelines for healthy eating are wrong.

Totally agree. If they were right, why would there be the huge increases in obesity and diabetes since the guidelines were introduced.

If you want an actual starting point, eat real unprocessed food and stop worrying about how much fat and calories is in it.

But actual cooking skills are being lost. Fewer and fewer people cook from scratch.

That's true. Our daughter used to take some of her friends shopping and show them how to cook the ingredients when she was 18 because they didn't know how to eat cheaply and well.

I think what would get the healthy diet across is some insta, snap and youtube *stars* maybe"

No shortage of those on youtube and instagram.

No shortage of yoga, workouts and any other kind of healthy lifestyle stuff either.

The people we're discussing aren't likely to be watching them though.

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over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit."

They arent. There is a whole generation of adults with children that never had those lessons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont like being told what to do if they did that id do the opposite just to spite them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if a child goes into care and doesn't lose weight, or puts weight on, should the carer be punished along with the social worker?

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over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit.

They arent. There is a whole generation of adults with children that never had those lessons."

And more than one generation that did but still allowed their kids to get fatter.

If education were the solution there wouldn't be a problem. There's more information, guidance and education on living a healthy lifestyle than ever before. Some people just aren't interested in it. Providing more of it won't solve that problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont like being told what to do if they did that id do the opposite just to spite them"

And there lies the problem,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit.

They arent. There is a whole generation of adults with children that never had those lessons.

And more than one generation that did but still allowed their kids to get fatter.

I expect you have the answer to Brexit too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Round them up

Put them in a field

And bomb the bastards

Problem solved, Kenny style

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was about to say up the prices of sugary foods but that’s no help, look at the cost of cigarettes, they went up and up and promised myself I’ll give up when they went to over eight quid a packet yet here I am smoking roll ups

Education is key and I hate to say it but the school nurses at the schools were actually doing good, I’m not saying bringing those back would cure the problem but might help, there is so many ideas out there that are so simple that could educate both young and old but the government don’t seem to give a shit really, plus with this whole culture of letting kids doing pretty much what they want at school, are they still made to do PE? The only time we could not to PE was if we had broken something or breathing issues (sometimes periods), regular excersise in school would also help.

Danish x

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

Rather than punishment I think nutrition education is key. Where there are serious cases parents should be referred to nutrition and exercise specialists by social services and there should be due care not to frighten the child or give them body issues. It should be all about the positivity of getting that child back to their ideal weights through encouragement and meal plans that don't seem too harsh or disruptive. Other kids are cruel as well so PE classes at school can be a nightmare for obese kids. I passed a young lad while I was out running over the weekend. I'd have put him at about age 10 or 11. He was the largest kid I'd ever seen but he was in his tracksuit and he had his ipod and he was strolling while listening to his music. He looked utterly fed up and I felt heartily sorry for him but he was trying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Live and let live.

How people raise their kids is none of my business I feel. Nor is how they live their lives. Hey, as long as it doesn't affect me go at it.

Might sound harsh. Might sound self-absorbed to some. But that's just the way it goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the more pertinent questions is, should parents of pretentious kids be punished ?

Or is living with that child punishment enough ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

Revoke their child benefit perhaps"

You think obese kids are only from poorer families?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents? "

Put them in the stocks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would you punish the parents?

Revoke their child benefit perhaps

You think obese kids are only from poorer families? "

Pretty much everyone qualifies for child tax credit i thought.

Ok it doesnt work for super high earners but statisticaly obeasity is higher in lower invome families.

Infact being too poor to buy veg is like the number 1 excuse but fat people it seems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have two grandchildren, one is overweight and her sister is quite slim. So do you punish the parents for the overweight one or for starving the other? Stupid thread!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was about to say up the prices of sugary foods but that’s no help, look at the cost of cigarettes, they went up and up and promised myself I’ll give up when they went to over eight quid a packet yet here I am smoking roll ups

Education is key "

So are you not educated in the dangers of smoking and the advantages of not smoking?

If education worked wouldnt it only take a quick course to save yourself a fortune on fags?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit.

They arent. There is a whole generation of adults with children that never had those lessons.

And more than one generation that did but still allowed their kids to get fatter.

I expect you have the answer to Brexit too?"

Two nuclear powers are actively firing missiles at each other but brexit is still the go to calamity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont like being told what to do if they did that id do the opposite just to spite them

And there lies the problem,"

Its not a problem if i want my kids to be sumo wrestlers its a genuine sport

my problem is when people interfere and meddle in peoples lives

Help people who ask for help not those who dont all i hear is u must eat healthy blaa blaa

U couldnt fill a pan with the amount of green veg iv eaten in the last 20 years and im perfectly healthy

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Why not introduce a fine or education coarse for parents with obese children akin to the offer you get when caught speeding. Letting your child become obese is a form of abuse after all if you look at it logically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not introduce a fine or education coarse for parents with obese children akin to the offer you get when caught speeding. Letting your child become obese is a form of abuse after all if you look at it logically. "

So is this a once and done thing or a monthly fine yearly fine etc?

Lile how often does it reset

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By *airytaleOfNewPorkMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"How would you punish the parents?

Social services would have to get involved.

I did read an article a while ago about a similar case. The mother was claiming there was nothing she could do about her son eating whole packets of biscuits.. "

Not buying them is a good start

My son is overweight, at 9 years of age. He's a tall boy and I'm trying to get him out more and less time on the devices. He's asked for a fitbit for his birthday so I'm happy we are doing what we can without filling him fill of crap, when he's with me I'm starting to cook healthier meals and he still gets his desserts etc

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think it might work the other way round by financially rewarding people to attend classes. I also think that if McDonald's and KFC had to fund this we would see an incentive for change in many areas. Punishment doesn't work it causes resentment too, incentives and rewards do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Thats one opinion but the DVLC think differently otherwise they wouldn't do it that way. The reality is incentives are a patchy way of doing things as rich people can't be bothered and it would cost the country. The reality parents are responsible for what their children eat not the state or a supermarket who knows if its all down to a lack of education or apathy with the parents.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option"

I said further up personal accountability has to be in there somewhere but whereas smoking isn't about how you look being obese is and people get very defensive. When people are defensive their ears stop working.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing "

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse.

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over a year ago

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse. "

I was under the impression that it was mostly poorer children who are obese. How will fining their parents help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar tax was introduced to help with obesity, so we should start seeing the results soon.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse. "

And how's that going?

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse.

And how's that going? "

Well obviously you know far more than the combined authorities of the western world maybe they should put you in charge.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

I think in today’s society kids are pandered to in many different ways . Food addiction is actually one of the worst to kick . It’s easy to lay the blame on parents and in some cases it’s correct . But we’ve bred a generation of excuse making , ill disciplined moaners . It’s basics such as behaviour , manners , morals social etiquette that we need to address . The rest will fall into place

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse.

And how's that going?

Well obviously you know far more than the combined authorities of the western world maybe they should put you in charge."

. I think you're right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but education in nutriton is very important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but education in nutriton is very important."

Not really, you need to be a bit stupid not to know eating yellow snow is bad.

Nutrition is easy, eats lots of different things the fresher the better.

If it makes you I'll don't eat it again, if it makes you fat eat less, if you lose weight eat more.

That's it really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing

Yes it would they would put costs up or ask for tax relief from it food production isn't free after all.

Rewarding people is largely ineffectual that's why the punishment route is used by nearly all the western governments to deal with abuse.

And how's that going? "

Fantastically well compared to unregulated societies like Somalia the West is fucking paradise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

So your solution is to run and hide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wouldn't cost the country if the fast food purveyors were paying for it.

The state is picking up and paying for the health problems obesity is causing "

Well thats just stupidity right there.

Taxation via 3rd party is still taxation.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

So your solution is to run and hide"

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

So your solution is to run and hide

No.

Well it is you said people aprenece makes them defensive so we shouldn't do it...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

So your solution is to run and hide

No.

Well it is you said people aprenece makes them defensive so we shouldn't do it...

I said when people are defensive they stop listening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Home economics should be compulsory in schools. They stopped it back in the early 90's and it is largely responsible for peoples ignorance about what constitutes healthy food, and how to do it.

Education is preferable. Start them young.

If that were true then why is it that those parents who took those lessons are the same fat parents that allow/cause their children to be fat today?

Most people are educated enough. They just don't give a shit.

They arent. There is a whole generation of adults with children that never had those lessons.

And more than one generation that did but still allowed their kids to get fatter.

I expect you have the answer to Brexit too?"

lol - so rather than debate the point, as soon as your own input is shown to be flawed you resort to childishness.

People know what makes them (and their children) fat but they continue to get fat anyway.

It's the latter part that needs addressing.

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By *randad-DMan
over a year ago

Bridlington

Simply answer is yes it's abuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If thats the case why has taxation on cigarettes had such a massive effect admitedly combined with encouraging the social view that smoking and smokers are disgusting.

But apprently thats body shaming if you do ir for fat people so its only the tax option

So your solution is to run and hide

No.

Well it is you said people aprenece makes them defensive so we shouldn't do it...

I said when people are defensive they stop listening. "

I agree with that.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Could be that Darwin might be wrong.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Could be that Darwin might be wrong."

As a species we have “evolved” past Darwinian Laws... in nature natural selection means it is the fittest, most well adapted that reproduce. In our society natural selection (death) is delayed by healthcare and human compassion, until individuals are well past breeding age. Genes that would have not made it to the breeding pool due to natural selection are being carried forward. The fittest, best adapted, most intelligent humans generally have fewer children so the “best” genes are being diluted. We are only a couple of generations into this process of devolution...

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Could be that Darwin might be wrong."

Not really. He noted several forms of evolution, one of which was adaptation to the environment.

Humans don't adapt to their environment, they tend to change that environment instead to suit themselves. Like we built a sewage system to improve our health, we have homes with built in heating, we have convenience machines so that we spend less time doing housework and have more free time.

But on the other hand we've also created a poor diet for convenience and a more sedentary lifestyle. I'm sure we could come up with a much better environment but it would mean sharing more healthy resources with people who cannot afford them and stop selling off things that improve our lives for us as a collective.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Fear punishment is the wrong way support education but most of the time will be an underlying problem either social or mental which needs addressed which takes money so would you pay more tax..

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