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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again, I didn’t need to look who posted this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need a blow job.

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

The toxic feminists are in turn being manipulated by the Toxic New World Order for their own nefarious machinations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

What's your opinion OP?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You need a blow job."

Can you just wank me off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In answer to your question though I would say yes it probably is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

What's your opinion OP?"

I’m neutral on the subject till the feminists turn up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

It's Britney spears fault

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to your question though I would say yes it probably is. "

Actually no, maybe not. I need to think about this a bit more. I may be back

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre

Can you be more specific please , give us a couple of examples where you think it may be the case . Thx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy. "

You care enough to comment.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy. "

You know that doesn't say what you think it says.....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy. "

What about Liverpool ? Are we safe here ?

Keep out of Brighton , people. For sake of your sanity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy.

You know that doesn't say what you think it says..... "

I still have no idea what it means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Marriage, the snip, social media, make up, SG's, all part of toxic feminism!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Who cares? Like every other fucking odd ball in this country, if you don't want to meet them, don't visit London or Manchester. Easy.

You know that doesn't say what you think it says.....

I still have no idea what it means."

All will become clear. Some feminist will rant at me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You need a blow job.

Can you just wank me off. "

If you promise to spunk over your chest.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I found an article on toxic megacolon.

Is megacolon the same as big arse ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You need a blow job.

Can you just wank me off.

If you promise to spunk over your chest."

Yeah I can do that.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I'm a feminist, no ranting here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marriage, the snip, social media, make up, SG's, all part of toxic feminism!"

Isn't marriage a two way thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't "toxic masculinity" just a phrase invented by women who are too ugly to land a husband?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

I don't believe in toxic masculinity or toxic femininity. Some people are just cunts. So the word toxic does not belong before either masculinity or femininity. Toxic masculinity as a concept is being peddled however. Most by the left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marriage, the snip, social media, make up, SG's, all part of toxic feminism!

Isn't marriage a two way thing?"

That's what they want you to think! All part of the matriarchal conspiracy!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I found an article on toxic megacolon.

Is megacolon the same as big arse ?"

Either that or it’s an angry obese bloke called Colin.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion. "

Sugar dating 8s an example of toxic feminism.

Also men cannot break down and start crying when it's tough raising a family, you have to suppress the emotions and keep going.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion. "

Okay, I’ll try to think of an example. But there does seem to be a nasty undercurrent to feminism now that is quite vindictive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marriage, the snip, social media, make up, SG's, all part of toxic feminism!

Isn't marriage a two way thing?

That's what they want you to think! All part of the matriarchal conspiracy!"

So, men don't actually want to get married, it's all down to the women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion.

Sugar dating 8s an example of toxic feminism.

Also men cannot break down and start crying when it's tough raising a family, you have to suppress the emotions and keep going."

And it’s so so wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe a jolly good mix of mutual respect between sexes could help.

Us chaps have had the upper hand for rather too long , so maybe it's time to change

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"Isn't "toxic masculinity" just a phrase invented by women who are too ugly to land a husband?"

You need to change your name to Billy Big Bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marriage, the snip, social media, make up, SG's, all part of toxic feminism!

Isn't marriage a two way thing?

That's what they want you to think! All part of the matriarchal conspiracy!

So, men don't actually want to get married, it's all down to the women? "
Yes.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Okay, Okay ...... i'll be serious for two minutes before this goes offa the rails.

Toxic masculinity isn't about a broad spectrum of men or about men v women.

It's powerful men who hold certain attributes that exclude OTHER types of males and most females.

Toxic masculinity forbids men to be 'other' types of males.

That's as simple as I can put it. It's not necessarily a male v female thing.

I think the thread was a jokey wokey in any case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion.

Okay, I’ll try to think of an example. But there does seem to be a nasty undercurrent to feminism now that is quite vindictive. "

There does. I totally agree. I can’t stand all this feminist rubbish either. I know there’s a few women on here who feel strongly about it but not me I’m afraid.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

This feminist will stand up and be counted by those that understand feminism but not the haters.

I thenkyou.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you need to give an example. How do you define it? If you mean very dominant, stoic males then it’s not a myth. It’s always been a thing. Way Back in the day I think men were expected to be extremely masculine and apathetic. I don’t think it’s as much of a thing now but it still exists. I would honestly think a man was more masculine if he was able to show his emotions rather than hold everything in and I would hope people are bringing their sons up these days to know that it’s ok to show emotion.

Okay, I’ll try to think of an example. But there does seem to be a nasty undercurrent to feminism now that is quite vindictive.

There does. I totally agree. I can’t stand all this feminist rubbish either. I know there’s a few women on here who feel strongly about it but not me I’m afraid. "

I will change that to extreme/radical feminism. Not just feminism itself.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"Okay, Okay ...... i'll be serious for two minutes before this goes offa the rails.

Toxic masculinity isn't about a broad spectrum of men or about men v women.

It's powerful men who hold certain attributes that exclude OTHER types of males and most females.

Toxic masculinity forbids men to be 'other' types of males.

That's as simple as I can put it. It's not necessarily a male v female thing.

I think the thread was a jokey wokey in any case.

"

What’s wrong with powerful men ? Does power have a direct correlation with toxicity? Surely even a powerful man has the choice to live his life by a code with humanity and empathy to others

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Okay, Okay ...... i'll be serious for two minutes before this goes offa the rails.

Toxic masculinity isn't about a broad spectrum of men or about men v women.

It's powerful men who hold certain attributes that exclude OTHER types of males and most females.

Toxic masculinity forbids men to be 'other' types of males.

That's as simple as I can put it. It's not necessarily a male v female thing.

I think the thread was a jokey wokey in any case.

What’s wrong with powerful men ? Does power have a direct correlation with toxicity? Surely even a powerful man has the choice to live his life by a code with humanity and empathy to others "

Why ask a question that's not about what I said.

I assume you think I am criticising powerful men as you quoted me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Okay, Okay ...... i'll be serious for two minutes before this goes offa the rails.

Toxic masculinity isn't about a broad spectrum of men or about men v women.

It's powerful men who hold certain attributes that exclude OTHER types of males and most females.

Toxic masculinity forbids men to be 'other' types of males.

That's as simple as I can put it. It's not necessarily a male v female thing.

I think the thread was a jokey wokey in any case.

What’s wrong with powerful men ? Does power have a direct correlation with toxicity? Surely even a powerful man has the choice to live his life by a code with humanity and empathy to others "

Nothing wrong with powerful men. Nothing at all. Humanity and empathy isn't what toxic masculinity is about though. It’s the opposite.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

We have a female prime minister , and for most of us we’ve only known the country to have a Queen . So it’s hardly the case that we live in a male dominated society is it ?

As Granny has said , it’s the ‘toxic’ bit about both men and feminists that needs to be addressed .

Are there toxic men ?

Yes

Are there toxic feminists ?

Yes

Does one facililitate the other ?

No

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic."

Have you considered that to get to the pinnacle of anything, be it CEO of a corporation, NGO, or government you had to be ridiculously competitive, aggressive and dedicate 110% to that goal? It requires a mindset few people have and the traits required for this are more prevalent in males. This is well established scientific fact. To equate this behaviour to "toxic masculinity" makes no sense at all.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic.

Have you considered that to get to the pinnacle of anything, be it CEO of a corporation, NGO, or government you had to be ridiculously competitive, aggressive and dedicate 110% to that goal? It requires a mindset few people have and the traits required for this are more prevalent in males. This is well established scientific fact. To equate this behaviour to "toxic masculinity" makes no sense at all."

Totally agree hence why I asked is there a direct correlation between power and toxicity ?? Of course there isn’t

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

okay ...... psychopaths

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic."

ALL the higher positions in society ? Really ? A very sweeping comment . Someone just quoted two positions of prominence that are held by women ! Are they toxic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic.

Have you considered that to get to the pinnacle of anything, be it CEO of a corporation, NGO, or government you had to be ridiculously competitive, aggressive and dedicate 110% to that goal? It requires a mindset few people have and the traits required for this are more prevalent in males. This is well established scientific fact. To equate this behaviour to "toxic masculinity" makes no sense at all."

She’s not equating that to toxic masculinity!! And yes the traits used to be more prevalent in males. Not so much anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic.

ALL the higher positions in society ? Really ? A very sweeping comment . Someone just quoted two positions of prominence that are held by women ! Are they toxic? "

People are really not understanding this at all! I give up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Toxic Feminists with An Agenda."

My band & support act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

I expect so but maybe not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll try again .....

Toxic males have ALL the higher positions in society and they will only allow other males who are just like them into position .......

If you are a 'different' type of male you don't get a look in and women even less of a look in ....

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity ..... focus on the toxic.

Have you considered that to get to the pinnacle of anything, be it CEO of a corporation, NGO, or government you had to be ridiculously competitive, aggressive and dedicate 110% to that goal? It requires a mindset few people have and the traits required for this are more prevalent in males. This is well established scientific fact. To equate this behaviour to "toxic masculinity" makes no sense at all."

Actually it's also a lot about who you know and who your parents are. How many politicians went to your local comp and poly? The Old Boys Club isn't yet obsolete, unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'The Descent of Man' by Grayson Perry is a good read on this subject

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By *he Man with the PlanMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


" Have you considered that to get to the pinnacle of anything, be it CEO of a corporation, NGO, or government you had to be ridiculously competitive, aggressive and dedicate 110% to that goal? It requires a mindset few people have and the traits required for this are more prevalent in psychopaths. This is a well established scientific and sociological truth. "

FTFY

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"You need a blow job.

Can you just wank me off. "

Can I get a bit of that action please?

*not sure I can get my hand round Tames cock though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't "toxic masculinity" just a phrase invented by women who are too ugly to land a husband?"

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again. "

Totally agree, they’re an embarrassment to the original suffragettes. It’s just vindictive and serves no purpose to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ? "

I'd come to that conclusion.

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By *he Man with the PlanMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again. "

Could I get a vinaigrette for that word salad please, maybe a honey mustard?

You pretty much built up an argument that nobody made, just so you could swoop in with a gotcha for, I dunno, yourself?

The argument that there aren't essentialist gender-normative behaviours or characteristics doesn't undermine the argument that there are socially constructed gender-normative behaviours. They're two separate things.

If you accept that gender roles and behaviours are largely socially constructed and not inherently determined through biology, myth or unicorns, then it stands to reason that an aggressive or dominant behaviour within that construction could cause some problems. Especially if left unchecked.

The problem of toxic masculinity is not a problem with 'men' as much as it's a problem with certain behavioural traits that are, through social construction, typically gendered as male. You can try and spin that round to somehow being about femininity as well but it looks more like deflection than anything else to me.

I'm gonna take a guess that you're not really a professor?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again.

Could I get a vinaigrette for that word salad please, maybe a honey mustard?

You pretty much built up an argument that nobody made, just so you could swoop in with a gotcha for, I dunno, yourself?

The argument that there aren't essentialist gender-normative behaviours or characteristics doesn't undermine the argument that there are socially constructed gender-normative behaviours. They're two separate things.

If you accept that gender roles and behaviours are largely socially constructed and not inherently determined through biology, myth or unicorns, then it stands to reason that an aggressive or dominant behaviour within that construction could cause some problems. Especially if left unchecked.

The problem of toxic masculinity is not a problem with 'men' as much as it's a problem with certain behavioural traits that are, through social construction, typically gendered as male. You can try and spin that round to somehow being about femininity as well but it looks more like deflection than anything else to me.

I'm gonna take a guess that you're not really a professor? "

Well, That was slightly self satisfied and smug, Get this, Dr Dre isn’t a real doctor, he made more money selling his headphones than he ever did practicing medicine.

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Full moon hey

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By *he Man with the PlanMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


" Well, That was slightly self satisfied and smug, Get this, Dr Dre isn’t a real doctor, he made more money selling his headphones than he ever did practicing medicine. "

Only slightly? I'll have to up my game.

Is medical or academic integrity now measured against how much dolla you make?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is Toxic masculinity a myth that is just being pedalled by toxic feminists with an agenda ?

Yes, and it is a toxic, sexist, gender sectarian term used to propagate the idea that toxicity is a masculine trait; and when pressed, the feminist attempts to make a disingenuously more moderate claim that it is a substratum of negative masculine behaviours. Just ask the feminist what exactly is the difference between toxic masculinity and simply toxic behavior by men and women? What is the difference between toxic masculinity and just masculinity? The more moderate substrata approach suggests that toxic masculinity is when men transgress the boundaries of gender-normative behaviour which is where the feminists then shoot themselves in the foot because they are now arguing that there is such a thing as masculine behavior and feminine behavior, something they claim to be against. However, if gendered toxic behaviour is the result that comes out of the wash then at least they will have admitted that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity; and that, folks, simply means there are assholes who have dicks and assholes who have cunts... cunts and dicks if you will, and assholes are gender neutral. I don't buy that extreme leftist, feminist hogwash. Try again.

Could I get a vinaigrette for that word salad please, maybe a honey mustard?

You pretty much built up an argument that nobody made, just so you could swoop in with a gotcha for, I dunno, yourself?"

Either my comment was word salad or I made a clear argument that you disagree with and are responding to. Which one is it??

"WORD SALAD: Noun meaning a string of empty, incoherent, unintelligible, or nonsensical words or comments."

Seeing that you're off to a start misusing phrases and contradicting yourself, I'm going to suggest you leave the ad-hominem attacks out and commit yourself to an evidence-based objective discussion and not use the typical infantile personal-insult approach to obscure the bankruptcy of your argument, which I'm sure you're about NOT to make. Let's see if you will define toxic masculinity or if you will use 'word salad', shall we.


"The argument that there aren't essentialist gender-normative behaviours or characteristics doesn't undermine the argument that there are socially constructed gender-normative behaviours. They're two separate things."

Yes, it absolutely does undermine it if you want to single-out toxic masculine gender-normativity to the exclusion of toxic feminine gender-normativity. The fact that feminists claim all gender roles are exclusively socially constructed yet find toxicity to be a trait found only in masculine constructs and not in feminine constructs like toxic feminism exposes your inconsistency. You ARE underhandedly alluding to BIOLOGY if you refuse to make the argument for toxic femininity in the same breath! That's my point. You're undermining and refuting yourselves!


"If you accept that gender roles and behaviours are largely socially constructed and not inherently determined through biology, myth or unicorns, then it stands to reason that an aggressive or dominant behaviour within that construction could cause some problems. Especially if left unchecked."

Ok, now make the argument that dominant or aggressive behaviour belongs to masculine constructs and not feminine constructs. Then demonstrate the difference between masculine traits without those traits you define as toxic? And don't clandestinely allude to biology while paying lip service to its redundancy. I'm waiting for this. And did you really just equate biology with "myth"? See, this is why you undermine yourselves... More about that below.


"The problem of toxic masculinity is not a problem with 'men' as much as it's a problem with certain behavioural traits that are, through social construction, typically gendered as male."

"The problem of toxic FEMININITY is not a problem with 'WOMEN' as much as it's a problem with certain behavioural traits that are, through social construction, typically gendered as FEMALE."

See how that works? If you were paying attention to my argument you would have noticed that I stated that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity without toxic femininity! You seem unable to see how using the exclusively social constructionist argument automatically means that you must apply it to femininity and female social constructs as well, including the feminist social constructs, which you persistently refuse to do. WHY? This is intellectual hypocrisy and a contradiction.

By totally rejecting the role of biology in gender-normative behaviors, you have eliminated a tool that might have helped you better zero in and isolate masculine traits that you feel can be better regulated by social conditioning. But to do that would be to dismantle the feminist and extreme labyrinthine leftist ideological psychosis. You've dug yourself deeper into that ditch and shoot yourself in the foot by clinging to social constructionism and failing to follow it through to the conclusions that you find undesirable. How's that for swooping in with a gotcha? I put forth that feminism IS the toxic social construction of femininity. Do you see how that works? I think you do!


"You can try and spin that round to somehow being about femininity as well but it looks more like deflection than anything else to me."

It didn't take much at all now, did it? My position stands, a little stronger now, thank you. Let's see you spin it around to being ONLY about masculinity, using a social constructionist approach! Or will you deflect from the logical conclusions of your approach?

I'm waiting for you to define exactly what those certain behavioural traits are and for you to demonstrate that they are problematic outside the context of toxic female traits as well. If you can do that then you are the unicorn I'm looking for. I'm waiting.


"I'm gonna take a guess that you're not really a professor? "

Well your typical guesswork approach won't serve you well here as you'll soon discover if you haven't already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When she said hit me baby one more time?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" Well, That was slightly self satisfied and smug, Get this, Dr Dre isn’t a real doctor, he made more money selling his headphones than he ever did practicing medicine.

Only slightly? I'll have to up my game.

Is medical or academic integrity now measured against how much dolla you make?"

Missed the sarcasm then. He made zero dollars practicing medicine, cause get this, he’s a rapper.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Isn't "toxic masculinity" just a phrase invented by women who are too ugly to land a husband?"

No.

Toxic masculinity is thinking that all women should obtain a husband.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Isn't "toxic masculinity" just a phrase invented by women who are too ugly to land a husband?"

No.

Toxic masculinity is thinking that all women should obtain a husband.

Oh and also that women should conform to some standard of beauty for men...

OP there is such a thing as toxic feminism it's usually labelled as white feminism though. They don't accept trans women as women and tend to focus on white womens issues only.

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