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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damien Hirst claimed that the purpose of art is to provoke an emotional reaction, good or bad. Judging by your post i'd say that makes it art.

I do have to agree with you though.

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By *ilbearniMan
over a year ago

visiting Birmingham

“Everyone wants to understand abstract art. Why not try to understand the song of a bird? …people who try to explain pictures are usually barking up the wrong tree.”-Pablo Picasso

Art is an experience, you experienced it, but with a negative reaction, others may see the beauty in something you find horrific, or that you don't understand the Art/Artist doesn't mean it is not good, i would suggest that all Art is good. Take Warhol for example,seen to be a fake and not high art enough to be taken seriously, now he is everywhere, he has become the norm.

If you don't understand the purpose of the Artist then investigate them and their Art, then make your mind up.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong. "

Well if you and me were to hang up a bank canvas no one would say that. You have to be from within a certain circle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of Jackson Pollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're actually interested, have a listen to Grayson Perry's very entertaining Reith lecture in which he discusses contemporary art.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b03969vt

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

I’m a traditional fan of the old masters myself and for the most part, don’t like modern ‘art’.

I remember the story of someone inadvertently leaving behind their work boots in the Tate which caused quite the arty stir as critics were left fawning over the ostensibly deep psychological meaning of this amazing exhibit

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By *ilbearniMan
over a year ago

visiting Birmingham

"If you're actually interested, have a listen to Grayson Perry's very entertaining Reith lecture in which he discusses contemporary art.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b03969vt"

I would second this

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Art is vast.......

You seem to be focussed on canvas hangings

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong. "

Prove yourself right, it'll save a lot of time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Art is vast.......

You seem to be focussed on canvas hangings"

Tracey Emin's famous 'Unmade Bed'?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

We go to exhibitions fairly regularly and sometimes we come away completely bemused, at other times we have plenty of food for thought. I must say that some modern art is indecipherable to me.

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By *arahBaby123Woman
over a year ago

WORCESTER

My eldest is studying art at uni. The latest essay title is

'It's art because I say it is...discuss'.

To such a bollocks waste of a student loan I say...my arse-hole is art cos I say it is....A+ please!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Art is really just down to individual opinion. I like some modern art but other stuff leaves me thinking "why did they bother"? It's the same with classic art though - I love Renoir, but think Van Gogh's work is just immature daubings done by an adult child given the wrong sized paintbrush.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Art is vast.......

You seem to be focussed on canvas hangings

Tracey Emin's famous 'Unmade Bed'?

I think that was a single rather than vast.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Art is really just down to individual opinion. I like some modern art but other stuff leaves me thinking "why did they bother"? It's the same with classic art though - I love Renoir, but think Van Gogh's work is just immature daubings done by an adult child given the wrong sized paintbrush."

ear , ear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong. "

Blank conscious and empty desires. What a boring fuck...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"My eldest is studying art at uni. The latest essay title is

'It's art because I say it is...discuss'.

To such a bollocks waste of a student loan I say...my arse-hole is art cos I say it is....A+ please!!"

Open titles like that should be applauded. They provoke thought and allow discussion and megacognition ..... Why should students be TOLD what to THINK.... ? I'd take my tax money back if that's what uni amounted too.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

META cognition I meant. Fugg that colon.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"My eldest is studying art at uni. The latest essay title is

'It's art because I say it is...discuss'.

To such a bollocks waste of a student loan I say...my arse-hole is art cos I say it is....A+ please!!"

Surely the answer to that is different aesthetic preferences over time, different requirements to enter the hallowed space of received art and what's wrong with that, etc... A deconstruction of perceived notions of value in the aesthetic space. Potentially a fascinating topic.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

My least favourite recently was a jar of pasta letters entitled something like "infinity". I really enjoyed an exhibit a few years ago that was a film of a boy on a BMX doing stunts on a wet pavement with a really eerie soundtrack.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong. "

I mean, you're self evidently wrong because millions of people from all types of backgrounds get a lot out of such art.

The bigger question is why that bothers you so much. Insecurity, perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a great way for the super rich to launder cash

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My eldest is studying art at uni. The latest essay title is

'It's art because I say it is...discuss'.

To such a bollocks waste of a student loan I say...my arse-hole is art cos I say it is....A+ please!!"

Think this kind of question used at 3rd level education says more about the subject and they it's continually trying to find it's place than anything else.

I love art, was damn good in my teens and yes I'd have done interpretational art, but there would always be a starting point that leads the viewer to try and follow my thought, after all I was the creator. A lot of more modern stuff are influenced by our post truth society where the origin has little or no value, it's what you want it to be in your own mind. Simply put, it's lost its way, identity and tangeable value. Open to explore these more though.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

One man/woman’s art can be a load of old tat to the next . I’d say I’m a bit of a Neanderthal when it comes to art . I know what I like and know what I don’t

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

Art is simply a visual representation of a concept.

You don't have to like it but you shouldn't dismiss an artwork as 'shit' without a little research into the backstory.

Wouldn't life be so boring if everything had to make sense to us on first impression denying us our purpose of investigating and learning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong.

I mean, you're self evidently wrong because millions of people from all types of backgrounds get a lot out of such art.

The bigger question is why that bothers you so much. Insecurity, perhaps? "

I get what you're trying to say, but numbers are not necessarily reflective of truth or real evidence of being right. Hitler tried the numbers thing, as is Monsanto in the agro industries. Just because millions do something or its done by the millions it doesn't me it's right. What is or has influenced peoples minds to consider or assume something has a bearing.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Art is simply a visual representation of a concept.

You don't have to like it but you shouldn't dismiss an artwork as 'shit' without a little research into the backstory.

Wouldn't life be so boring if everything had to make sense to us on first impression denying us our purpose of investigating and learning."

I agree. If you see something that doesn't immediately make sense you can walk away refusing to think about it or you can try and find some sense on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like cars, houses or anything else that has an intrinsic value placed on it.

Things are only 'worth' what people are prepared to pay for it.

In years to come, the works of Hirst and Emin *may* be assessed how art had lost it's way rather than how groundbreaking the individuals work was.

Whatever is produced by the human psyche is always open to interpretation. Being popular isn't always good. Being controversial isn't always progressive.

Like fab posts, if you don't like it move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a contentious issue, modern art. I don't like the majority of it.

Has the bubble burst where this style of art was raved about and valued in six and often eight figure sums now that the tools to create great photos and pictures are at your fingertips on a phone or laptop, is that good or bad?

How about councils splashing budget funds on bits of twisted metal that's displayed in public so we can all marvel at it's grotesque beauty whilst youth and sports clubs are closed due to budget cuts?

I do believe everyone has at least one piece of art within them and like music,for example, just because I don't personally like it doesn't mean it isn't good.

Much prefer the classics myself though. Give me Jackson Pollock or the classic

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

Art can be though of like music.

For example: Renaissance Art could be likened to Classical Music where Modern Art could be likened to Punk.

Art, like music is always going to evolve by generation and not all of it will make sense at first.

When Marcel Duchamp presented his 'Fountain' at an exhibition in 1917, it was the art equivelant of 'God Save the Queen' by The Sex Pistols.

Most people were were disgusted by it, but what a statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Modern art is trash, if you have that famous name or the luck to be born into high society .... You can literally take a shit and sprinkle it with thousands and ones and call it art and recieve a payment ... ..

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

"Modern art is trash, if you have that famous name or the luck to be born into high society .... You can literally take a shit and sprinkle it with thousands and ones and call it art and recieve a payment ... .. "

Well, that's cleared that up then.

Very well researched argument put forward there.

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The art world is governed by a bunch of cliquist pretentious twats.

My point in question? The team that gave a chimpanzee a canvas and a load of paint. The resulting piece was hung in a gallery for the world's art critics to faun over, and my how they lauded it. And how hilarious it was watching them trying to back pedal when it's provenance was finally revealed.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

"The art world is governed by a bunch of cliquist pretentious twats.

I hear what you're saying.

It's the 'arty' folk that bring all that pretentious shit to it.

It's like they assume that someone who doesn't 'get it' is an idiot.

I love art, or more so, what art is, but I avoid all that pretentious bullshit associated with it.

If something moves me, then it moves me. Simple as.

And while I'd say 90% of all the art I've seen in my life done absolutely nothing for me, I love that art of all kinds exist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong.

Prove yourself right, it'll save a lot of time "

^^ see Doctorprod chimpanzee example. It was one of the incidents I was thinking of when I posted. Case closed

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Bullshit.

Hang up a totally blank canvas and you’ll get some nause spouting shit about it being a “wonderful juxtaposition of our consciousness and desires”.

Cunts.

Prove me wrong.

I mean, you're self evidently wrong because millions of people from all types of backgrounds get a lot out of such art.

The bigger question is why that bothers you so much. Insecurity, perhaps? "

Yes, that’ll be it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The art world is governed by a bunch of cliquist pretentious twats.

I hear what you're saying.

It's the 'arty' folk that bring all that pretentious shit to it.

It's like they assume that someone who doesn't 'get it' is an idiot.

I love art, or more so, what art is, but I avoid all that pretentious bullshit associated with it.

If something moves me, then it moves me. Simple as.

And while I'd say 90% of all the art I've seen in my life done absolutely nothing for me, I love that art of all kinds exist."

The Emperor's new clothes. We're the little boy who knows he's naked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The art world is governed by a bunch of cliquist pretentious twats.

I hear what you're saying.

It's the 'arty' folk that bring all that pretentious shit to it.

It's like they assume that someone who doesn't 'get it' is an idiot.

I love art, or more so, what art is, but I avoid all that pretentious bullshit associated with it.

If something moves me, then it moves me. Simple as.

And while I'd say 90% of all the art I've seen in my life done absolutely nothing for me, I love that art of all kinds exist."

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By *ilbearniMan
over a year ago

visiting Birmingham

"The art world is governed by a bunch of cliquist pretentious twats.

I hear what you're saying.

It's the 'arty' folk that bring all that pretentious shit to it.

It's like they assume that someone who doesn't 'get it' is an idiot.

I love art, or more so, what art is, but I avoid all that pretentious bullshit associated with it.

If something moves me, then it moves me. Simple as.

And while I'd say 90% of all the art I've seen in my life done absolutely nothing for me, I love that art of all kinds exist."

It's like they assume that someone who doesn't 'get it' is an idiot

The art world is a very cliquey place, and can be very intimidating,and yes there are a few pretentious gits , like in any walk of life i suppose.

when i started to investigate Art more in my twenties i started to get it and enjoy it more, the experience of deciphering/understanding made it more pleasurable. most art folk are open to questions, and willing to explain, it just takes some effort but once you get the bug and knowledge no-one can take that away from you.

If you are interested in Cultural capital look up the work of the French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu.

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