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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do?" Yes, if I was uncomfortable I would apologize and complain. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! " Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. | |||
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"I possibly would but if there are no spare seats what would be the point? I know that I would do it quietly and out of earshot of people, I wouldn’t want to draw attention or upset anyone. " I would look for the slimmest person on the flight and offer them money to swap seats. Failing that, I would ask to sit on the aisle seat and have one arse cheek hanging off. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. " Just a difference of opinions dear  | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! " They do. Even slim people. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear "So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe. | |||
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do?" Yes. Because I'd be stuck between two people encroaching on my space AND would have a woman sat on/under me too, if I was in the same position..... 
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"If it was a short puddle jump I probably wouldn't bother.... A bit like being sat next to a noisy table in a café... You'd put up with it for a little while. However, if it was going to be more than an hour, I'd ask to swap seats or move to be more comfortable. There are things that would make me react quicker though on a plane tbh... If the person next to me kicked off their shoes and their feet stank to high heaven I would ask to move pretty quickly "Now that would be a serious no! Disapproving Babs would be on one then. No to the smelly feet! | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe. "I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain. | |||
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"I’m not sure it would be the airlines fault but I would certainly ask to be moved if possible. I think I saw the complaint you are on about and I don’t think they went about it in the best way. " I agree, she was incredibly rude. | |||
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"If it was a short puddle jump I probably wouldn't bother.... A bit like being sat next to a noisy table in a café... You'd put up with it for a little while. However, if it was going to be more than an hour, I'd ask to swap seats or move to be more comfortable. There are things that would make me react quicker though on a plane tbh... If the person next to me kicked off their shoes and their feet stank to high heaven I would ask to move pretty quickly "I've read some real horror stories about people on planes lately.
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do? Yes. Because I'd be stuck between two people encroaching on my space AND would have a woman sat on/under me too, if I was in the same position.....
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ?" No because the baggage fee is to do with the handling if said baggage,not extra fuel | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ?" No. Almost every Airline works out passenger mass by a average amount per SEAT. So while it may seem like overweight people should pay more, there are also, many people under that average line, so it balances itself out across the whole cabin. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ?" No but something needs to be done to avoid discomfort and embarrassment. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? No because the baggage fee is to do with the handling if said baggage,not extra fuel " Why is your hand luggage counted then if you only handle it yourself ? Its to do with weight and fuel | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ?" Some airlines do make people pay for the extra seat if they can’t fit into one. Don’t be surprised at some point if the likes of Ryanair start introducing that, anything to make a little extra money. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? No because the baggage fee is to do with the handling if said baggage,not extra fuel Why is your hand luggage counted then if you only handle it yourself ? Its to do with weight and fuel " Both bodies and baggage weight count towards the fuel calculation for the flight. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? Some airlines do make people pay for the extra seat if they can’t fit into one. Don’t be surprised at some point if the likes of Ryanair start introducing that, anything to make a little extra money." I'd be horrified if they weighed me at the airport or I had to state my weight to book. What about the very tall people who will weigh more than short people? | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? Some airlines do make people pay for the extra seat if they can’t fit into one. Don’t be surprised at some point if the likes of Ryanair start introducing that, anything to make a little extra money. I'd be horrified if they weighed me at the airport or I had to state my weight to book. What about the very tall people who will weigh more than short people?" Not by weighing you, more like can you fit in the seat - a bit like the cabin baggage side guide at front of check - in.. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? Some airlines do make people pay for the extra seat if they can’t fit into one. Don’t be surprised at some point if the likes of Ryanair start introducing that, anything to make a little extra money. I'd be horrified if they weighed me at the airport or I had to state my weight to book. What about the very tall people who will weigh more than short people? Not by weighing you, more like can you fit in the seat - a bit like the cabin baggage side guide at front of check - in.." Hopefully it would be done in private | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? No because the baggage fee is to do with the handling if said baggage,not extra fuel Why is your hand luggage counted then if you only handle it yourself ? Its to do with weight and fuel " Size of overhead cabin space and again... Safe handling limits. Nothing to do with fuel | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? Some airlines do make people pay for the extra seat if they can’t fit into one. Don’t be surprised at some point if the likes of Ryanair start introducing that, anything to make a little extra money. I'd be horrified if they weighed me at the airport or I had to state my weight to book. What about the very tall people who will weigh more than short people? Not by weighing you, more like can you fit in the seat - a bit like the cabin baggage side guide at front of check - in.." I think I'd prefer that than getting weighed. I couldn't fit in the seat and needed the extra seatbelt extension. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain. "You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight? I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat. They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort. If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying. We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem. I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane. I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't. | |||
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"Can you imagine the scenes if they had a chair at check in to see if people could fit in. Just like theme parks. That would be horrible. " It would be horrible and humiliating. | |||
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"Now here's a question,we pay extra for baggage, should overweight people pay more to travel. ? No because the baggage fee is to do with the handling if said baggage,not extra fuel Why is your hand luggage counted then if you only handle it yourself ? Its to do with weight and fuel Size of overhead cabin space and again... Safe handling limits. Nothing to do with fuel " Really then why have i had my hand luggage weighed when it is the correct size for overhead storage? | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't. "Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed | |||
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do?" I would be fuming. If i pay for a seat i dont expect to get 1/2 a seat | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough" You'd be lucky to find ribs. | |||
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"I just reserve seats with my family so only they have to deal with my fatness. However as a fatty I know I try and make my self as small and inconspicuous as possible so people can't make me feel huge so I'm surprised that this situation took place. My slim partner takes up much more room than I do just by his natural positioning " Taller, lanky people with huge long legs and bony knees are a far greater problem on flights than someone with a big bum or a top heavy chest. Plus.....there's always the option to ask if they mind you using one as a pillow on a long flight. 
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs. "  | |||
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"Id complain about who the fuck put me on a plane never mind the seating " | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs. "are you not regularly on threads jumping on anybody that mention somebody being skinny or sticks and saying its body shaming but yet you have regularly commented shaming people for being larger. | |||
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"Fantastic new take on a fat bashing thread "It's not fat bashing. As I stated in my first post on the subject. If you want to lead an unhealthy lifestyle and shorten your life span, thats entirely up you. I'd fight for your right to do so. But if your actions affect other people then it's simply not fair. Id say the same about anyone else. You want to suck on a crack pipe every day because your life is meaningless you go for it. But if you want to steal my property to feed your habit, again that's a problem. Anyone is free to make the choices they want up until the point it affects other people. | |||
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"I just reserve seats with my family so only they have to deal with my fatness. However as a fatty I know I try and make my self as small and inconspicuous as possible so people can't make me feel huge so I'm surprised that this situation took place. My slim partner takes up much more room than I do just by his natural positioning Taller, lanky people with huge long legs and bony knees are a far greater problem on flights than someone with a big bum or a top heavy chest. Plus.....there's always the option to ask if they mind you using one as a pillow on a long flight.
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"Id complain about who the fuck put me on a plane never mind the seating "i must be B A | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs.
are you not regularly on threads jumping on anybody that mention somebody being skinny or sticks and saying its body shaming but yet you have regularly commented shaming people for being larger. "Nope, think you've got wrong contributer? | |||
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"They pack as many seats in there that is legally possible, to make as much money as possible obviously. On my last flight I had two big guys either side of me, not fat, just tall big lads. We were all so squashed and uncomfortable. The seats on easy jet planes are tiny. " We won't fly the budget airlines any longer. | |||
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"They pack as many seats in there that is legally possible, to make as much money as possible obviously. On my last flight I had two big guys either side of me, not fat, just tall big lads. We were all so squashed and uncomfortable. The seats on easy jet planes are tiny. " It's the same on trains actually and I was on one recently and I offered to swap seats with a guy because he was clearly very tall and squished in, it was one of those table seats and the person sat opposite had a bag that restricted his leg room. I have teeny weeny little legs, so I swapped with him as the seat I was in had more leg room. The person who had the bag was clearly quite embarrassed and apologised and said, I'm so sorry there wasn't anywhere else to put it so rather than making both people feel uncomfortable it just made sense for me to swap and I think sometimes just a little bit of common sense is needed to sort these problems out. | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs.
are you not regularly on threads jumping on anybody that mention somebody being skinny or sticks and saying its body shaming but yet you have regularly commented shaming people for being larger.
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed "I'm just giving you my opinion luvvy, no need to for that fighting talk. I'm not trying to sway you, but you don't seem to understand how a very large person can make a not quite so large person feel. We aren't all able to squish ourselves into half a seat. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly incredibly patronising"Personaly if other people were making my journey unacceptably uncomfortable I'd ask to be moved or in this instance one of them to be moved. | |||
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"I had a similar situation but not about the body size. On a 4,5 hour flight I sat between 2 older men. The one on left had a very offensive BO. The other stank of alcohol and unwashed clothes. I tried to hold my breath or cover my nose for a bit but it was making me feel like I was gonna throw up. I stood up and went to speak to staff. Thankfully they had an empty seat by the aisle a little further so I was relieved..." How horrible.  | |||
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"I had a similar situation but not about the body size. On a 4,5 hour flight I sat between 2 older men. The one on left had a very offensive BO. The other stank of alcohol and unwashed clothes. I tried to hold my breath or cover my nose for a bit but it was making me feel like I was gonna throw up. I stood up and went to speak to staff. Thankfully they had an empty seat by the aisle a little further so I was relieved... How horrible. "It wasn't pleasant, no.  | |||
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do?" I'd go for a bathroom break and discreetly ask if there was another seat available. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed
I'm just giving you my opinion luvvy, no need to for that fighting talk. I'm not trying to sway you, but you don't seem to understand how a very large person can make a not quite so large person feel. We aren't all able to squish ourselves into half a seat.
"You’re pushing your opinion upon me. We live in a world of individuality and each and everyone of us should celebrate that. That large person that’s encroaching in your space may have no control over their size but it doesn’t give us the right to complain about that or encroachment upon it in my opinion. Many are larger people are fully aware that they take up more space than “what they’re paying for, as is really what is being said”...... well that person more than likely will be uncomfortable too... embarrassed, apologetic and may likely just want to get off the aeroplane as quickly as you may like them to. Will do everything in their power to be as least impactive and intrusive as is possible. Fact is we have a right to ensure that everyone has access to travel. A right to have access to everything you and I have. I’m tired of reading threads like this that digress into alienating a section of our society. I’m tired of being told I don’t understand your point of view. I do understand. I’m often crippled by anxiety. I also suffer with arthritis. I’m not the slimmest swinger in town either. What I don’t do is alienate anyone for not fitting into a size restrictive seat. I share the space and make the most of being able to chat to a new person. I changecwhat could be perceived by some as a negative into a positive. This is only my opinion which this thread invited me to voice. I didn’t comment on your post personally, you chose to do so on mine therefore by default inviting me to a right of reply and because I stand up you keep coming back. I’m happy to read differing thought processes and sometimes it challenges me to look at myself. I’m not telling you that you have to understand mine. I’m happy to be different. To think differently. To celebrate a person for whom they are and not alienate them because they don’t fall into some hypothetical norm. I myself do have medical problems that meant I could be affected by this situation but I would look at alternatives to alleviate any issues not wing it in hopes then complain because my issues are being impacted by a n other. Now I’m happy to leave it here and thank you for sharing your opinions. If you wish to continue then I invite you to do this privately. | |||
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do?" I don't think I'd have the heart to complain just because they were big. I wouldn't be best pleased as I like my elbow room, but.. if feel awful making a complaint. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed
I'm just giving you my opinion luvvy, no need to for that fighting talk. I'm not trying to sway you, but you don't seem to understand how a very large person can make a not quite so large person feel. We aren't all able to squish ourselves into half a seat.
You’re pushing your opinion upon me. We live in a world of individuality and each and everyone of us should celebrate that. That large person that’s encroaching in your space may have no control over their size but it doesn’t give us the right to complain about that or encroachment upon it in my opinion. Many are larger people are fully aware that they take up more space than “what they’re paying for, as is really what is being said”...... well that person more than likely will be uncomfortable too... embarrassed, apologetic and may likely just want to get off the aeroplane as quickly as you may like them to. Will do everything in their power to be as least impactive and intrusive as is possible. Fact is we have a right to ensure that everyone has access to travel. A right to have access to everything you and I have. I’m tired of reading threads like this that digress into alienating a section of our society. I’m tired of being told I don’t understand your point of view. I do understand. I’m often crippled by anxiety. I also suffer with arthritis. I’m not the slimmest swinger in town either. What I don’t do is alienate anyone for not fitting into a size restrictive seat. I share the space and make the most of being able to chat to a new person. I changecwhat could be perceived by some as a negative into a positive. This is only my opinion which this thread invited me to voice. I didn’t comment on your post personally, you chose to do so on mine therefore by default inviting me to a right of reply and because I stand up you keep coming back. I’m happy to read differing thought processes and sometimes it challenges me to look at myself. I’m not telling you that you have to understand mine. I’m happy to be different. To think differently. To celebrate a person for whom they are and not alienate them because they don’t fall into some hypothetical norm. I myself do have medical problems that meant I could be affected by this situation but I would look at alternatives to alleviate any issues not wing it in hopes then complain because my issues are being impacted by a n other. Now I’m happy to leave it here and thank you for sharing your opinions. If you wish to continue then I invite you to do this privately. "You're also pushing your opinion to be fair. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair. "
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings."I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence. It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment. "No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD. "but what is the person with asthma or COPD was a smoker and therefore self-inflicted does that make it ok because that's what you're saying regarding people that are overweight. I'm not saying people being overweight should be Condemned but it is Condemned far too often and it's just getting rather nasty. | |||
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Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD.
but what is the person with asthma or COPD was a smoker and therefore self-inflicted does that make it ok because that's what you're saying regarding people that are overweight. I'm not saying people being overweight should be Condemned but it is Condemned far too often and it's just getting rather nasty."I meant condoned. | |||
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" but what is the person with asthma or COPD was a smoker and therefore self-inflicted does that make it ok because that's what you're saying regarding people that are overweight. I'm not saying people being overweight should be Condemned but it is Condemned far too often and it's just getting rather nasty." My partner is a respiratory nurse. Not all COPD is caused by smoking. A lot of it is just a side effect of age. Anyone can develop it. Even if it is self inflicted, does that mean they should be made to suffer to accommodate other people? | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment. "Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing. I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out. Claustrophobia can also affect breathing. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings."Your cigarette smoke kills people someone else’s obesity doesn’t do anything to you. You use unpleasant terminology as well. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing.
I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out.
Claustrophobia can also affect breathing.
"This is proving to be a common thing with you, you often answer for me which is not your place to do so. I was simply expressing my opinion so please just calm down. It was rather extreme and actually not necessary yes some people have health conditions won't would not be ideal however you're just taking it a little bit far now. | |||
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" Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing. I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out. Claustrophobia can also affect breathing. " Yes that can also be an issue too. But hey, lets just ignore how that person feels just to accommodate someone else right? Ive said it three times now and i'll say it again. You want to be overweight, good for you. But the minute you affect other people with your weight its a problem. | |||
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"Are plane seats too small or do fat people have huge arses...... ? What if they weren't fat but jut unusually wide..... who's fault is that. I know.... !! We should all send our hip measurements to the plance co. before we can buy a ticket..... Sorted." They've made our local cinema seats bigger. If plane seats were the same it would be brilliant. | |||
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" Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing. I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out. Claustrophobia can also affect breathing. Yes that can also be an issue too. But hey, lets just ignore how that person feels just to accommodate someone else right? Ive said it three times now and i'll say it again. You want to be overweight, good for you. But the minute you affect other people with your weight its a problem." But it is perfectly acceptable for you and others on this thread to be downright offensive? There's no need for it. | |||
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed
I'm just giving you my opinion luvvy, no need to for that fighting talk. I'm not trying to sway you, but you don't seem to understand how a very large person can make a not quite so large person feel. We aren't all able to squish ourselves into half a seat.
You’re pushing your opinion upon me. We live in a world of individuality and each and everyone of us should celebrate that. That large person that’s encroaching in your space may have no control over their size but it doesn’t give us the right to complain about that or encroachment upon it in my opinion. Many are larger people are fully aware that they take up more space than “what they’re paying for, as is really what is being said”...... well that person more than likely will be uncomfortable too... embarrassed, apologetic and may likely just want to get off the aeroplane as quickly as you may like them to. Will do everything in their power to be as least impactive and intrusive as is possible. Fact is we have a right to ensure that everyone has access to travel. A right to have access to everything you and I have. I’m tired of reading threads like this that digress into alienating a section of our society. I’m tired of being told I don’t understand your point of view. I do understand. I’m often crippled by anxiety. I also suffer with arthritis. I’m not the slimmest swinger in town either. What I don’t do is alienate anyone for not fitting into a size restrictive seat. I share the space and make the most of being able to chat to a new person. I changecwhat could be perceived by some as a negative into a positive. This is only my opinion which this thread invited me to voice. I didn’t comment on your post personally, you chose to do so on mine therefore by default inviting me to a right of reply and because I stand up you keep coming back. I’m happy to read differing thought processes and sometimes it challenges me to look at myself. I’m not telling you that you have to understand mine. I’m happy to be different. To think differently. To celebrate a person for whom they are and not alienate them because they don’t fall into some hypothetical norm. I myself do have medical problems that meant I could be affected by this situation but I would look at alternatives to alleviate any issues not wing it in hopes then complain because my issues are being impacted by a n other. Now I’m happy to leave it here and thank you for sharing your opinions. If you wish to continue then I invite you to do this privately. "This isn't about opinions. It's about facts. The fact is, if two huge people were sat either side of me in small plane seats I would not feel sorry for them and sit and suffer. Why should I? Because they need my sympathy because they are morbidly obese? You say you would sit and suffer the pain and anxiety and try to make them feel relaxed. Why would you do that? Because you feel sorry for them and they shouldn't care about your comfort, is what I'm reading. They don't need your pity, they need bigger plane seats and they know it-unless they are completely not aware of their size and small seats. | |||
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"Are plane seats too small or do fat people have huge arses...... ? What if they weren't fat but jut unusually wide..... who's fault is that. I know.... !! We should all send our hip measurements to the plance co. before we can buy a ticket..... Sorted. They've made our local cinema seats bigger. If plane seats were the same it would be brilliant. " Exactly. But they won't because they want to squash as many people in as possible. How did the airline deal with the woman who complained? I read on the thread that she was rude? | |||
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"There was a woman on a plane recently who complained about having a large person sat on each side of her. They both encroached onto her seat space so she was very uncomfortable sandwiched between them. If you were in the same position as this woman would you complain/ ask to be moved to a seat where you could sit comfortably? Or what would you do? I don't think I'd have the heart to complain just because they were big. I wouldn't be best pleased as I like my elbow room, but.. if feel awful making a complaint." I think I'd be the same. I've often had to sit on half a seat for hours and been in pain. I don't know how anyone can find airplane seats comfortable. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing.
I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out.
Claustrophobia can also affect breathing.
This is proving to be a common thing with you, you often answer for me which is not your place to do so. I was simply expressing my opinion so please just calm down.
It was rather extreme and actually not necessary yes some people have health conditions won't would not be ideal however you're just taking it a little bit far now.
"I'm calm. You don't seem to be understanding what I'm writing abd calling me a liar basically, even though you said yourself you have arthritis and anxiety, so should know how painful being squashed can be and how claustrophobic it feels. You're defending their right to have a seat on a plane that they don't fit into, over my right to not be made uncomfortable by their encroachment on my seat, which is nothing to do with opinions. They don't fit, simple as that. | |||
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Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing.
I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out.
Claustrophobia can also affect breathing.
This is proving to be a common thing with you, you often answer for me which is not your place to do so. I was simply expressing my opinion so please just calm down.
It was rather extreme and actually not necessary yes some people have health conditions won't would not be ideal however you're just taking it a little bit far now.
I'm calm. You don't seem to be understanding what I'm writing abd calling me a liar basically, even though you said yourself you have arthritis and anxiety, so should know how painful being squashed can be and how claustrophobic it feels.
You're defending their right to have a seat on a plane that they don't fit into, over my right to not be made uncomfortable by their encroachment on my seat, which is nothing to do with opinions.
They don't fit, simple as that.
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"I’d shut up and put up....... everyone has a right to be whom they are without any prejudices. Plus let’s face it, if everyone was a size six the airlines would make smaller seats and put more on! Even if their body weight was causing you pain or you couldn't breathe? I wouldn't shut up and put up for any length of time. Just a difference of opinions dear
So, you would sit there in pain or struggling to breathe.
I would engage in conversation and make my travel neighbours feel relaxed. I’m sure they would be very aware of the situation and I genuinely wouldn’t want them to feel emotionally uncomfortable because of my lack of spreading space. As for pain and not being able to breath that is really quite an exaggerated scenario that I feel is just highly improbable. Any cabin crew witnessing that situation would I’m sure deal adequately and discretely without me having to complain.
You don't understand how someone with arthritis and anxiety/claustrophobia might not feel comfortable or be in a lot of pain with a heavy person wedged against them for a whole flight?
I'm assuming we're talking about very big people here who take up more than one seat.
They don't have any rights to be comfortable over my comfort.
If they weren't bothering me I wouldn't be bothered and wouldn't patronize them by talking to them to relax them (unless, like me, they are claustrophobic and don't like flying.
We're talking about them taking up my sitting space and squashing me, not just touching my arm with theirs-that's usual for people on tube trains and not a problem.
I've stood up on buses because I'm too squashed and overheating; you can't do that on a plane.
I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass them but I wouldn't suffer it so they can be comfy and I can't.
Stand down! This was an invite to voice individual opinions. Mine clearly differ from yours and that’s cool, sometimes you just have to accept that dear...... how you choose to deal with that scenario based on your own individual circumstance is entirely at you’re own discretion as is mine. Now I think you need to think about whether another reply to my post is conducive as I’m clearly not going to be swayed
I'm just giving you my opinion luvvy, no need to for that fighting talk. I'm not trying to sway you, but you don't seem to understand how a very large person can make a not quite so large person feel. We aren't all able to squish ourselves into half a seat.
You’re pushing your opinion upon me. We live in a world of individuality and each and everyone of us should celebrate that. That large person that’s encroaching in your space may have no control over their size but it doesn’t give us the right to complain about that or encroachment upon it in my opinion. Many are larger people are fully aware that they take up more space than “what they’re paying for, as is really what is being said”...... well that person more than likely will be uncomfortable too... embarrassed, apologetic and may likely just want to get off the aeroplane as quickly as you may like them to. Will do everything in their power to be as least impactive and intrusive as is possible. Fact is we have a right to ensure that everyone has access to travel. A right to have access to everything you and I have. I’m tired of reading threads like this that digress into alienating a section of our society. I’m tired of being told I don’t understand your point of view. I do understand. I’m often crippled by anxiety. I also suffer with arthritis. I’m not the slimmest swinger in town either. What I don’t do is alienate anyone for not fitting into a size restrictive seat. I share the space and make the most of being able to chat to a new person. I changecwhat could be perceived by some as a negative into a positive. This is only my opinion which this thread invited me to voice. I didn’t comment on your post personally, you chose to do so on mine therefore by default inviting me to a right of reply and because I stand up you keep coming back. I’m happy to read differing thought processes and sometimes it challenges me to look at myself. I’m not telling you that you have to understand mine. I’m happy to be different. To think differently. To celebrate a person for whom they are and not alienate them because they don’t fall into some hypothetical norm. I myself do have medical problems that meant I could be affected by this situation but I would look at alternatives to alleviate any issues not wing it in hopes then complain because my issues are being impacted by a n other. Now I’m happy to leave it here and thank you for sharing your opinions. If you wish to continue then I invite you to do this privately.
This isn't about opinions. It's about facts. The fact is, if two huge people were sat either side of me in small plane seats I would not feel sorry for them and sit and suffer. Why should I? Because they need my sympathy because they are morbidly obese?
You say you would sit and suffer the pain and anxiety and try to make them feel relaxed. Why would you do that? Because you feel sorry for them and they shouldn't care about your comfort, is what I'm reading.
They don't need your pity, they need bigger plane seats and they know it-unless they are completely not aware of their size and small seats. "And there in lies the issues within our society, that some cannot accept a few extra pounds of flesh. How the hell do we ever think we will sort out the much bigger interracial, religious and political divides within our society when we can be so selfish over a few inches........ | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs.
are you not regularly on threads jumping on anybody that mention somebody being skinny or sticks and saying its body shaming but yet you have regularly commented shaming people for being larger.
Nope, think you've got wrong contributer?
I absolutely haven't got the wrong contributor but either way it was just an unnecessary comment."The continuance of your ranting on this thread showed that my comment hurt your feelings, of which I'm sorry for. But your I'll informed accusation still sit with you. Goodnight and goodbye. | |||
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"I would just keep jabbing them in the ribs with my elbows. They would want moved soon enough You'd be lucky to find ribs.
are you not regularly on threads jumping on anybody that mention somebody being skinny or sticks and saying its body shaming but yet you have regularly commented shaming people for being larger.
Nope, think you've got wrong contributer?
I absolutely haven't got the wrong contributor but either way it was just an unnecessary comment.
The continuance of your ranting on this thread showed that my comment hurt your feelings, of which I'm sorry for. But your I'll informed accusation still sit with you. Goodnight and goodbye."Is absolutely no need for you to be so rude they are not ranting they are my opinions I was simply pointing out that your comment was unnecessary and it is not the first time you have made such comments. I am able to have an opinion without being personal or rude is just a shame others cannot do the same. | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
Have you ever had some one squeeze you or hug you tight? Have you ever suffered with claustrophobia or panic attacks? I'm going to answer for you and say no. It's obvious as you can't seem to understand how being squashed in between two very large people can restrict breathing.
I got stuck in my onesie one night and had a panic attack. That causes hyperventilation which can cause someone to pass out.
Claustrophobia can also affect breathing.
This is proving to be a common thing with you, you often answer for me which is not your place to do so. I was simply expressing my opinion so please just calm down.
It was rather extreme and actually not necessary yes some people have health conditions won't would not be ideal however you're just taking it a little bit far now.
I'm calm. You don't seem to be understanding what I'm writing abd calling me a liar basically, even though you said yourself you have arthritis and anxiety, so should know how painful being squashed can be and how claustrophobic it feels.
You're defending their right to have a seat on a plane that they don't fit into, over my right to not be made uncomfortable by their encroachment on my seat, which is nothing to do with opinions.
They don't fit, simple as that.
Ok you really do need to come down and read this thread properly I have not said I suffer with anxiety or have arthritis because I don't I have also not called you a liar I have simply said I think you're being a bit extreme and after this post I'm right. You are becoming quite confrontational because I have not said any of the things you have just accused me of."You probably quoted someone else and I thought it was you. Sorry about that. As for being extreme, if you do ever contract arthritis and/or anxiety and panic you will know that I'm not. | |||
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Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD. "I think having to sit in an enclosed space, breathing in the fumes from the clothes of a so called considerate smoker would be far worse! It would have me reaching for my inhaler within minutes! | |||
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" You're also pushing your opinion to be fair.
Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD.
I think having to sit in an enclosed space, breathing in the fumes from the clothes of a so called considerate smoker would be far worse!
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Id also add, I'm tired of a the excuses. There are three reasons for why someone can't control their weight.
One, a medical condition that requires regular use of steroids.
Two, certain anxiety and depression medications increase your appetite.
Three, an incredibly rare thyroid condition who's name escapes me right now.
This country is as far as I remember one of if not the most obese in Europe. I'm no stick insect myself but I'm not in denial about it either. We seem to have this growing body positivity movement that tells people it's ok to be massively overweight and you can still be healthy. NO.
Absolutely irresponsible. Should we be nasty to those that don't have the will power to do something about it? No. Should we placate them and tell them it's fine? Also NO.
It seems odd that expressing being massively overweight as being a problem is seen as attacking that person. It's not. Those are facts. You will die earlier, you will increase your chances of developing cancer and heart disease and a whole other host of nasty things. As I've also said before, if you want to eat yourself to death, go right ahead. But to then expect other people to make accommodations for YOUR poor life choices is obnoxious and selfish.
I'm a smoker, I wont smoke around non smokers, you know why? Because its selfish. Its no different from being obese.
Sorry if that upsets anyone, but as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings.
I think the problem is it's pointed out in a rather disrespectful way often that causes offence.
It's actually no one else's business as to why somebody is overweight and I think that by saying things like two large people sitting either side on an aeroplane could cause someone to have breathing difficulties is rather extreme and I can see why exception has been taken to that comment.
No its really not though. If they are so large that it makes it difficult to breathe, imagine what that would be like for someone with asthma or COPD.
I think having to sit in an enclosed space, breathing in the fumes from the clothes of a so called considerate smoker would be far worse!
It would have me reaching for my inhaler within minutes!
What would you do?"I would quietly have a word with cabin crew and explain the situation so that they could hopefully find me a seat elsewhere. There would be no song and dance and I most definitely would not be rude to anyone | |||
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