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Athletes being demanded to lower testosterone!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Am I hearing right?

That some women are being instructed to take medication to lower their hormones up to six months before a competition?!!!

What! The?!

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

I've not heard about this, but given today's crazed world where societal norms have been turned upside down nothing surprises me anymore tbh

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

It’s to stop cheating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What they gonna do with caster samenya then shes naturally got man levels

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

And a big dick and bollocks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I’m sorry but what determines whether you’re female or male?

I’m stunned! Is it the natural testosterone levels or is it body parts?

This appears to only be in athletics right now. But will it then spread?

Are they then saying certain women can’t compete because of who they genetically are?

If I was an elite athlete I certainly wouldn’t want to be taking medication just so I could compete.

This is devastating and will be a disgrace in woman’s development in sport!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Are we saying from a trans perspective or just a genetic anomaly like Caster?

We wouldn’t think twice about a male athlete with an anomaly/superior genetics in Male athletics so why females?

In the case of trans athletes competing as Women then I don’t think it’s fair. Decreasing the Testosterone levels don’t make up for years of muscle mass bone density and Red Blood/oxygen count.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Maybe they should reduce testosterone levels for men too... then they could introduce DRAG Racing into athletics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sorry but what determines whether you’re female or male?

I’m stunned! Is it the natural testosterone levels or is it body parts?

This appears to only be in athletics right now. But will it then spread?

Are they then saying certain women can’t compete because of who they genetically are?

If I was an elite athlete I certainly wouldn’t want to be taking medication just so I could compete.

This is devastating and will be a disgrace in woman’s development in sport!"

But what’s the alternative? With the blurred gender lines these days, if they don’t take action women’s sport is dead. It will effectively be taken over by men.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Yeh let’s all get more girlie

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Are we saying from a trans perspective or just a genetic anomaly like Caster?

We wouldn’t think twice about a male athlete with an anomaly/superior genetics in Male athletics so why females?

In the case of trans athletes competing as Women then I don’t think it’s fair. Decreasing the Testosterone levels don’t make up for years of muscle mass bone density and Red Blood/oxygen count. "

I agree

I don’t think trans women should be able to compete as women. The muscle mass, power and strength of most men outweighs that of most women. Not all. Just most.

Please do educate me- is this what this is all about?

Will this only be happening if the athletes were originally ‘registered’ as male but are now ‘female’?

Mrs P x

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By *dinSon99Man
over a year ago

East Northants

I’m. It sure about the nature of what is being asked but as a competitive athlete myself I believe that a trans male to female should not be competing against genetic females.

I think perhaps this ruling may be due to the uncovering of performance enhancing drug use in female athletes. Testosterone is measured for want of a better term in percentage. There is a threshold for what is considered high & low end genetically & if these thresholds are passed then it usually warrants further investigation. However what may be happening is that athletes are pushing that threshold to the very limit & relying on tests themselves to ensure they don’t go beyond it but are still able to use performance enhancers to a degree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they? "

Atheletes will use any means necessary to gain an edge. Decades of investment running into million of pounds in research in just things like running shoes.

I have a simple solution and I'm not the first to suggest it. I think there should be a few categories.

F2M and M2F trans categories.

Biological male and female as we traditionally have.

And chemically enhanced.

I for one would love to watch the last category. Can you imagine it. Drug fuelled super men and women running the 100m in 2 seconds!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

It’s a really tough one as Casters testosterone level is up to six times higher than a normal woman’s , and is Infact the same as a mans .

This gives her a distinct advantage over women who don’t have hyperandrogenism . It’s agreed she would be some six or seven seconds slower if she had the same level as the other women .

Is that her fault ?

Is it fair ?

What’s the answer ? I have no idea but if I was a woman with normal testosterone and I had to race her , I’d feel she had an unfair advantage .

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By *ickygirl41Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I’m. It sure about the nature of what is being asked but as a competitive athlete myself I believe that a trans male to female should not be competing against genetic females.

I think perhaps this ruling may be due to the uncovering of performance enhancing drug use in female athletes. Testosterone is measured for want of a better term in percentage. There is a threshold for what is considered high & low end genetically & if these thresholds are passed then it usually warrants further investigation. However what may be happening is that athletes are pushing that threshold to the very limit & relying on tests themselves to ensure they don’t go beyond it but are still able to use performance enhancers to a degree."

So a woman with PCOS would be disqualified? That's a high proportion...

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By *dinSon99Man
over a year ago

East Northants


"I’m. It sure about the nature of what is being asked but as a competitive athlete myself I believe that a trans male to female should not be competing against genetic females.

I think perhaps this ruling may be due to the uncovering of performance enhancing drug use in female athletes. Testosterone is measured for want of a better term in percentage. There is a threshold for what is considered high & low end genetically & if these thresholds are passed then it usually warrants further investigation. However what may be happening is that athletes are pushing that threshold to the very limit & relying on tests themselves to ensure they don’t go beyond it but are still able to use performance enhancers to a degree.

So a woman with PCOS would be disqualified? That's a high proportion... "

Honestly I don’t know, it was a guess of the situation from the original post. My understanding from female drug testing is that the threshold includes the levels associated with PCOS and a legitimate medical history with documented evidence would not disqualify those individuals

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Atheletes will use any means necessary to gain an edge. Decades of investment running into million of pounds in research in just things like running shoes.

I have a simple solution and I'm not the first to suggest it. I think there should be a few categories.

F2M and M2F trans categories.

Biological male and female as we traditionally have.

And chemically enhanced.

I for one would love to watch the last category. Can you imagine it. Drug fuelled super men and women running the 100m in 2 seconds! "

Roided up Boxing can you imagine

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By *dinSon99Man
over a year ago

East Northants

On another note & hopefully not provoking anyone I think the general public are unaware of the level of performance enhancing drug use among society in general and within sport & the methods employed to avoid detection and cover it up by many top level athletes & “role models”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On another note & hopefully not provoking anyone I think the general public are unaware of the level of performance enhancing drug use among society in general and within sport & the methods employed to avoid detection and cover it up by many top level athletes & “role models”."

Does viagra count?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Atheletes will use any means necessary to gain an edge. Decades of investment running into million of pounds in research in just things like running shoes.

I have a simple solution and I'm not the first to suggest it. I think there should be a few categories.

F2M and M2F trans categories.

Biological male and female as we traditionally have.

And chemically enhanced.

I for one would love to watch the last category. Can you imagine it. Drug fuelled super men and women running the 100m in 2 seconds!

Roided up Boxing can you imagine "

Yeah that would be something to see.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

My understanding is that they are allowed have what would be classed as "abnormally high" testosterone.

Its so high to take into account the one in a million freaks among us. However everyone is coming in at just under the top limit. So obviously something is up.

The new levels would rule out the one in a million person from competing, but also keep the limits within a more naturally occurring average.

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By *iveshowcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

This is an appallingly difficult issue where unfortunately there is no solution available to keep everyone happy.

My heart breaks for Caster Semenya and the situation she finds herself in because of her personal genetic/medical issues. Which are none of her fault.

However the Athletics Federation claim that after extensive medical research there is clear evidence that her testosterone levels are so heavily weighted towards the male end of the spectrum that she enjoys a clear competitive advantage.

If you look at one race in the 2016 Olympics the Gold, Silver and Bronze medals all went to female athletes with male levels of testosterone.

Years of hard work and training from the female athletes who came 4th and 5th etc were undermined. They didnt collect medals, they didnt get recognition and they didnt get the chance to sign lucrative sponsership deals.

Young female athletes will quickly realise there is no point in continuing to compete if this issue remains unaddressed. Sadly for Semenya this can only be done by artificially lowering testosterone levels for female athletes like her.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they? "

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I’m. It sure about the nature of what is being asked but as a competitive athlete myself I believe that a trans male to female should not be competing against genetic females.

I think perhaps this ruling may be due to the uncovering of performance enhancing drug use in female athletes. Testosterone is measured for want of a better term in percentage. There is a threshold for what is considered high & low end genetically & if these thresholds are passed then it usually warrants further investigation. However what may be happening is that athletes are pushing that threshold to the very limit & relying on tests themselves to ensure they don’t go beyond it but are still able to use performance enhancers to a degree.

So a woman with PCOS would be disqualified? That's a high proportion... "

I wonder how many elite athletes there are with PCOS?

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By *iveshowcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive "

Being realistic the inclusion of trans athletes throws up a great number of issues.

One simple and obvious example is a male to female boxer. Just for the sake of argument lets say Tyson Fury wished to compete as a female athlete. Would it be right (or even safe) to match him against Nicola Adams?

For the sake of being pc and inclusive would it be correct to approve that bout?

Common sense suggests that as a competitive even this would be worthless.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The olympics has turned into a search for genetic freaks.

Back in the day someone would turn up and their levels would be off the chart, they would look into it and find an over active thoroid or something and instead of saying "youre sick and you need to lower the levels", they said "well its naturally occuring so okay".

This has turned the olympics into battle of the genetic freaks and people doping.

They need to put a stop to it, and put the levels and anything else, but sorry youre a genetic abnormality that needs to lower your levels to compete.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive

Being realistic the inclusion of trans athletes throws up a great number of issues.

One simple and obvious example is a male to female boxer. Just for the sake of argument lets say Tyson Fury wished to compete as a female athlete. Would it be right (or even safe) to match him against Nicola Adams?

For the sake of being pc and inclusive would it be correct to approve that bout?

Common sense suggests that as a competitive even this would be worthless. "

Do they fight in the same weight categories or is it a mid matched example?

I do get the argument about trans athletes but some cis women can have abnormally high testosterone levels that puts them at an unfair advantage. There is a south African runner who regularly has to prove she is female.

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By *iveshowcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive

Being realistic the inclusion of trans athletes throws up a great number of issues.

One simple and obvious example is a male to female boxer. Just for the sake of argument lets say Tyson Fury wished to compete as a female athlete. Would it be right (or even safe) to match him against Nicola Adams?

For the sake of being pc and inclusive would it be correct to approve that bout?

Common sense suggests that as a competitive even this would be worthless.

Do they fight in the same weight categories or is it a mid matched example?

I do get the argument about trans athletes but some cis women can have abnormally high testosterone levels that puts them at an unfair advantage. There is a south African runner who regularly has to prove she is female. "

Caster Semenya is her name and she is mentioned above.

She has gone to court today to fight a decision by the Athletics Federation requiring her to artificially lower her testosterone levels in order to continue competing.

Whilst having deep and genuine sympathy with her position my view is that the federation is correct and there has to be a limit set somewhere for testosterone levels in females.

Sadly this will inevitably mean some individuals will fall on the wrong side.

Failure to set any limit will destroy female sport.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive "

Of course we’ve all heard about it

But is it that common in elite sport?

I thought it was tested for regularly like in the forces etc?

It is basically cheating yourself..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Enhancing drug use?

Really?

I thought athletes weren’t allowed any drugs?

Doesn’t that go against all morals of an athlete - they’re kind of cheating then aren’t they?

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of any doping in professional sport? Christ some paralympians have more of their limbs chopped off so they get put into more favourable categories.

As for trans not competing against genetic females I'm not how that would work... An additional category? A ban on any trans taking up any sport? How Wonderfully inclusive

Being realistic the inclusion of trans athletes throws up a great number of issues.

One simple and obvious example is a male to female boxer. Just for the sake of argument lets say Tyson Fury wished to compete as a female athlete. Would it be right (or even safe) to match him against Nicola Adams?

For the sake of being pc and inclusive would it be correct to approve that bout?

Common sense suggests that as a competitive even this would be worthless.

Do they fight in the same weight categories or is it a mid matched example?

I do get the argument about trans athletes but some cis women can have abnormally high testosterone levels that puts them at an unfair advantage. There is a south African runner who regularly has to prove she is female.

Caster Semenya is her name and she is mentioned above.

She has gone to court today to fight a decision by the Athletics Federation requiring her to artificially lower her testosterone levels in order to continue competing.

Whilst having deep and genuine sympathy with her position my view is that the federation is correct and there has to be a limit set somewhere for testosterone levels in females.

Sadly this will inevitably mean some individuals will fall on the wrong side.

Failure to set any limit will destroy female sport."

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