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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The DWP pays over £10,000 in back dated benefits to a young man with mental health issues. Shortly afterwards he's found dead from a drug overdose.

He was living alone under the supervision of the local council. The young man's father blames the DWP for making the payment (which the young man wanted kept a secret from his father) and the local council.

The state is often criticised for nannying the population yet when it's really necessary the state fails. So, do you agree that the state is to blame, do you think this could have been avoided and if so how, or do you think it's just another sad event?

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Some people are unable to manage their own finances, regardless of whether they have mental health issues.

Basic finance management should be taught from primary school age.

Universal credit is going to give money straight to some people who will see it as kerching! A big lump of ready cash, rather than this is for rent , this is for bills etc etc.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Very sad, tragic in fact ... but Darwin first suggested it and Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park said it best

"Nature finds a way"

The DWP corrected a problem .. no one could have predicted that this was going to happen could they?

Why does there have to be blame? Rather than just a tragic chain of events

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very sad, tragic in fact ... but Darwin first suggested it and Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park said it best

"Nature finds a way"

The DWP corrected a problem .. no one could have predicted that this was going to happen could they?

Why does there have to be blame? Rather than just a tragic chain of events"

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"The DWP pays over £10,000 in back dated benefits to a young man with mental health issues. Shortly afterwards he's found dead from a drug overdose.

No idea if it could have been avoided, I don't know anything about the young man or what his issues were. Why is his father blaming the state rather than anything or anyone else for example himself? It's entirely possible that there is no blame to be attached to anyone or any thing apart for the guys illness. It is sad and I hope his father finds peace

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Some people are unable to manage their own finances, regardless of whether they have mental health issues.

Basic finance management should be taught from primary school age.

Universal credit is going to give money straight to some people who will see it as kerching! A big lump of ready cash, rather than this is for rent , this is for bills etc etc.

This 1000000%

I used to give financial advice on budgeting and money management skills to benefit claimants and charities.

For some it's like giving a five year old a giant bag of sweets and telling them to only eat one, handing an alcoholic a bottle of vodka and saying only take a sip a day or leaving a pile of cash on a shopaholic's bed but saying you can't spend it til the end of the month.

Whether it's temptation or just irresponsibility - some people can't be trusted to prioritise a roof over their head, food on the table or heating, over gadgets, booze, drugs or gambling.

UC has a lot to answer for.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Case being made is that he was vulnerable, both for being a drug addict and mentally ill.

Giving him benefits that he was owed (from 2015, so over 3 yrs worth) made him more vulnerable.

He actually did have a carer who kept everything from his parents so i reckon that person will be blamed somewhat. Maybe the council also seeing as they were accomodating him asa vulnerable person,and whoever was supposed to be responsible for his mental health will get blamed too.

All of the above paragraph are probably the lower ranks of a chain in public services that have failed here. They'll probably have to make amends to rules/services to ensure people are not failed while in their care.

So yes. When the state declares it has a responsibility to provide help and care to others then it should be held responsible for failing on that.

All of our services were supposedly created to benefit the whole of society. Now more people are stingy cunts and selfish they call out treating others with compassion and look at it as unecessary because they're doing alright for themselves.

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