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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day." Who? What is it | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it?" Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol  | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it? Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol "It’s quite simple lol | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !!" That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it " Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone. | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone." Ah ok. Yeah just googled it. Thanks  | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone." Isn't working for everyone or is for everyone not working?  | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. " I know lol. I was over exaggerating to make my point . I've seen first hand how this ridiculous " benefit " has fucked people over . And I dont mean me , I work always have , but good people that have fell on hard times and this has fucked their lives up . And it makes me angry that's all | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. I know lol. I was over exaggerating to make my point . I've seen first hand how this ridiculous " benefit " has fucked people over . And I dont mean me , I work always have , but good people that have fell on hard times and this has fucked their lives up . And it makes me angry that's all " Better not ask your opinion on Brexit then? | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime" I’m not sure that’s really correct. | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. I know lol. I was over exaggerating to make my point . I've seen first hand how this ridiculous " benefit " has fucked people over . And I dont mean me , I work always have , but good people that have fell on hard times and this has fucked their lives up . And it makes me angry that's all " Yeah the benefit system makes me very angry too
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. I know lol. I was over exaggerating to make my point . I've seen first hand how this ridiculous " benefit " has fucked people over . And I dont mean me , I work always have , but good people that have fell on hard times and this has fucked their lives up . And it makes me angry that's all Better not ask your opinion on Brexit then?" Please dont lol. I couldnt give a fuck about it either way anymore . | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. " I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. " People are being turned down wbo are severely disabled,because of work capability assessments. There are plenty of news stories about them. The benefit was always about reducing the benefits bill and the companies brought in to do the assessments are doing what the government asked them to do. They do this by turning down people who they shouldn't, and then these people have to appeal to win back their benefits. In the mean time they starve, risk losing their rented accommodation or beg from relatives. I'm not sure of actual figure, but the amount that go to appeal and win is quite high, and costs the Government a lot of money. Also, if you get paid twice in one UC payment period, you don't get anything and lose out on a whole month's money. This might be because of an early payment before a bank holiday, or getting an invoice paid early. UC is also more expensive to deliver than all of the legacy benefits, even though it was supposed to be less expensive. | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. People are being turned down wbo are severely disabled,because of work capability assessments. There are plenty of news stories about them. The benefit was always about reducing the benefits bill and the companies brought in to do the assessments are doing what the government asked them to do. They do this by turning down people who they shouldn't, and then these people have to appeal to win back their benefits. In the mean time they starve, risk losing their rented accommodation or beg from relatives. I'm not sure of actual figure, but the amount that go to appeal and win is quite high, and costs the Government a lot of money. Also, if you get paid twice in one UC payment period, you don't get anything and lose out on a whole month's money. This might be because of an early payment before a bank holiday, or getting an invoice paid early. UC is also more expensive to deliver than all of the legacy benefits, even though it was supposed to be less expensive. " That's a fair summary to be fair . Well said | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once " maybe we have seen two different sides of this then. | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it? Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol "Not a pesky Torrie are you -none of them seem to know what's going on either | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once maybe we have seen two different sides of this then. " must have | |||
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"And I know I’m in for a right bashing now but a pot of money only stretches so far. " If you're talking about our pot of money the government holds to run the country, there's plenty of it. People started complaining about those terrible people who claim benefits and how they don't deserve them and gave the Government an excuse to take them away or reduce them. Under UC disabled people are getting less, and single working parents are struggling more, even though it was supposed to be an incentive to help them into work. It only works, if it works for everyone. | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it " Universal credit will replace benefits. The dole, tax credits & housing benefit etc. It's slowly being introduced everywhere but so far, it's plunged even more people into dire circumstances. It takes around 6 weeks to get your first payment through, leaving claimants with no money coming in for food or utilities & no rent getting paid. Job seekers are still expected to carry out job searches while waiting, as well as job centre appointments & job interviews, but with zero funds its likely they won't have Internet at home to search, bus fair to get to a library to use a computer or the job centre to sign on, energy from lack of food to walk anywhere or motivation to keep going....so they might also end up sanctioned for not meeting the criteria for recieving dole money. It effects not only the unemployed but low wage workers and those with illness & disabilities too. I don't get it myself but it's been introduced in my area for people without children. As a result the food banks have nice long lines of desperate & embarrassed looking folk. (I've done some voluntary work with the poverty alliance and seen the devastation first hand, it's brutal) | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once maybe we have seen two different sides of this then. " What's your side? | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it? Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol
Not a pesky Torrie are you -none of them seem to know what's going on either"I dont support any fuckin politicians of any party . All out for their own ends . Wankers the lot of em. | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once maybe we have seen two different sides of this then. What's your side? " well let’s just say that I don’t think single mums are treated like criminals and I do not agree that fathers are actively encouraged to not see there children. These are life choices that people choose to make or not make due to a hugely vareing number or reasons, or circumstances. Yes men should be made to pay for their off spring and mother’s should be made to provide evidence of their incomes to support what the fathers support should be. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration?" When you get a job, you usually only have to wait a maximum of five weeks before you get some money (month in hand). Maybe that would be a viable alternative for those who need money a bit quicker? | |||
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"Any one with any better ideas and full understanding of economics is obviously more than welcome to move in to politics, admittedly system might not be doing as good as it should and definitely needs review but judging it with out real facts and understanding of where the money will come from to support this is never going to help. Over the past 30 years with have created a environment where everyone feels they are entitled to somthing. Lot like ( and this will sound terrible ) back in the old days where our parents used to count every penny and make it last even if that meant not having a take away, less fags no booze for two weeks, basic tv, phone , not having 3 dogs, walking to work rather than the car for a week I could continue but I’m sure I’m in for a world of hate already " Back in the old days we never had all that in the first place | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration? When you get a job, you usually only have to wait a maximum of five weeks before you get some money (month in hand). Maybe that would be a viable alternative for those who need money a bit quicker?" | |||
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"When you first apply you can ask for a loan to get you by while waiting for your first payment. This reduces your Universal Credit payments for up to a year, to pay back and has forced people to use food banks, because it hasn't left them with enough money to live on. Also, childcare has to be paid up front by the claimant and claimed back from Universal Credit, but not everyone has the funds to pay in advance." child care is the bit in this that is fully wrong. Any parent attempting to get back in to work should be offered free child care for a minimum 6 months and then there should be support allow the child care to continue. However this creates a problem in itself as nurseries and child Care agencies find it difficult to work on 6 month basis and what the government pays is not what they can charge privately so ultimately they do not earn as much. This is a area that needs a full overhaul | |||
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"Any one with any better ideas and full understanding of economics is obviously more than welcome to move in to politics, admittedly system might not be doing as good as it should and definitely needs review but judging it with out real facts and understanding of where the money will come from to support this is never going to help. Over the past 30 years with have created a environment where everyone feels they are entitled to somthing. Lot like ( and this will sound terrible ) back in the old days where our parents used to count every penny and make it last even if that meant not having a take away, less fags no booze for two weeks, basic tv, phone , not having 3 dogs, walking to work rather than the car for a week I could continue but I’m sure I’m in for a world of hate already Back in the old days we never had all that in the first place " again some did some didn’t but now everyone just expects it | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration? When you get a job, you usually only have to wait a maximum of five weeks before you get some money (month in hand). Maybe that would be a viable alternative for those who need money a bit quicker? " | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it? Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol
Not a pesky Torrie are you -none of them seem to know what's going on either I dont support any fuckin politicians of any party . All out for their own ends . Wankers the lot of em. "It's lovelly to see a strong opinion from someone who has no idea what he's on about -it's a bit like watching Dementia patients recognise their children for the first time in weeks isn't it. | |||
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"make the pen -pushing civil servants 'somehow' have their wages paid into Universal credit system .. amazingly the 6 weeks would disappear." see again this is not helpfull. These are people that probebly get paid every four weeks and wIting a extra two weeks may cause some discomfort but does not solve a problem just makes a hard working person upset and others that already don’t work probably not want to bother working it’s a silly remark and holds absolutely no point what so ever | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone." No wonder I’m paying a weeks wage in tax!!  | |||
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"make the pen -pushing civil servants 'somehow' have their wages paid into Universal credit system .. amazingly the 6 weeks would disappear. see again this is not helpfull. These are people that probebly get paid every four weeks and wIting a extra two weeks may cause some discomfort but does not solve a problem just makes a hard working person upset and others that already don’t work probably not want to bother working it’s a silly remark and holds absolutely no point what so ever " i forgot only you should have an opinion. if civil servants had to wait 6 weeks itd stop overnight .. perfectly plausible point | |||
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"Benefit system is shite full stop they treat single mums like fucking criminals and activly encourage dads not to see or pay for there kids not a man alive will convince me otherwise its an utter discrace no wonder people turn to crime I’m not sure that’s really correct. I know it is iv seen it first hand more than once maybe we have seen two different sides of this then. What's your side? well let’s just say that I don’t think single mums are treated like criminals and I do not agree that fathers are actively encouraged to not see there children. These are life choices that people choose to make or not make due to a hugely vareing number or reasons, or circumstances. Yes men should be made to pay for their off spring and mother’s should be made to provide evidence of their incomes to support what the fathers support should be. " Ok, thank you | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone. No wonder I’m paying a weeks wage in tax!! "How much of your tax money do you think goes to those benefits? How much goes to pensions? To the defence budget? To foreign aid? To the NHS? To the Education budget? And more. Do you think you only pay tax to give to give to disabled people and low earners? | |||
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"On paper it seems like a good idea, it's meant to smooth the transition to employment where you often have to wait for your pay but it's just not working. I think most of the unemployed who are struggling just don't have the means to tide them over and some are unemployed because their life's a mess and they can't get their shit together. "Some don't have the skills or experience for the jobs available, can't take a zero hour contract and aren't capable of learning the skills needed. It was supposed to help disabled people, and single parents remove some of the barriers into getting into work, but it seems to be putting more into place. Whoever designed it didn't take everything into consideration, but hey, disabled people are getting less money, so the government delivered. | |||
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"On paper it seems like a good idea, it's meant to smooth the transition to employment where you often have to wait for your pay but it's just not working. I think most of the unemployed who are struggling just don't have the means to tide them over and some are unemployed because their life's a mess and they can't get their shit together.
Some don't have the skills or experience for the jobs available, can't take a zero hour contract and aren't capable of learning the skills needed.
It was supposed to help disabled people, and single parents remove some of the barriers into getting into work, but it seems to be putting more into place.
Whoever designed it didn't take everything into consideration, but hey, disabled people are getting less money, so the government delivered.
"Disabled benefits I don’t have an issue with but it’s a different kettle of fish. Those benefits are not means tested and that needed a big shake up. There are so many people claiming those benefits who shouldn’t be and I think it’s correct that people should be re-assessed. I know of at least 2 people claiming for “bad backs” one of them is a tree surgeon! Carers allowance is means tested as it should be as it classed as earnings. You absolutely cannot put disabled benefits in the same category as all other benefits. | |||
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"On paper it seems like a good idea, it's meant to smooth the transition to employment where you often have to wait for your pay but it's just not working. I think most of the unemployed who are struggling just don't have the means to tide them over and some are unemployed because their life's a mess and they can't get their shit together.
Some don't have the skills or experience for the jobs available, can't take a zero hour contract and aren't capable of learning the skills needed.
It was supposed to help disabled people, and single parents remove some of the barriers into getting into work, but it seems to be putting more into place.
Whoever designed it didn't take everything into consideration, but hey, disabled people are getting less money, so the government delivered.
Disabled benefits I don’t have an issue with but it’s a different kettle of fish. Those benefits are not means tested and that needed a big shake up. There are so many people claiming those benefits who shouldn’t be and I think it’s correct that people should be re-assessed. I know of at least 2 people claiming for “bad backs” one of them is a tree surgeon! Carers allowance is means tested as it should be as it classed as earnings. You absolutely cannot put disabled benefits in the same category as all other benefits. "That is fraud and they are criminals. Every other disabled person shouldn't be penalised because there was an outcry from people seeing a few criminals receiving benefits. | |||
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"See the thing is if you don’t cap benifits some how or make a robust structure of who and how people get them then the system collapses and then every one is at a loss. It’s harsh I know and hard to understand but you have to have things in place for those who can make a living do so and those that Can not are supported addicuatly. But we have to understand that it is a benifit and therefore who ever is on them will not live a life of luxury but should have the basics. Home, warmth, accesses to education, health service and food and clothing. They are not going to be able to have the best of the best biggest or the biggest and all that. Unfortunately we see far to often those that are on benefits due to children, being a career, disability and so on and so on live better than those that work and that does not make sense as it would appear that mo why is not being shared appropriately. " And that is the attitude that led the Government to reduce benefits for everyone. People thinking that everyone one benefits lives the life of Reilly and should be just existing. | |||
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"Shh -Brexit is on telly, the Torries don't like being distracted from their fantasy war games -besides there's nothing going wrong at all -it's all Labours fault for not bringing it in themselves isn't it? Sorry I didnt understand any of that lol
Not a pesky Torrie are you -none of them seem to know what's going on either I dont support any fuckin politicians of any party . All out for their own ends . Wankers the lot of em.
It's lovelly to see a strong opinion from someone who has no idea what he's on about -it's a bit like watching Dementia patients recognise their children for the first time in weeks isn't it. Did you really just say that . Dont ever reply to one of my posts again or I'll report you , you repugnant idiot ."Ok -but don't get too exited if I do - I never remember names -especially yours | |||
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"And I know I’m in for a right bashing now but a pot of money only stretches so far. " but far enough to pay for toilet roll or a ham sandwich on certain peoples expenses though | |||
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"See the thing is if you don’t cap benifits some how or make a robust structure of who and how people get them then the system collapses and then every one is at a loss. It’s harsh I know and hard to understand but you have to have things in place for those who can make a living do so and those that Can not are supported addicuatly. But we have to understand that it is a benifit and therefore who ever is on them will not live a life of luxury but should have the basics. Home, warmth, accesses to education, health service and food and clothing. They are not going to be able to have the best of the best biggest or the biggest and all that. Unfortunately we see far to often those that are on benefits due to children, being a career, disability and so on and so on live better than those that work and that does not make sense as it would appear that mo why is not being shared appropriately. And that is the attitude that led the Government to reduce benefits for everyone. People thinking that everyone one benefits lives the life of Reilly and should be just existing. " no now that is not what I said I am saying I agree that all benefits should be means tested in some way to there for make sure that people who require benifits get what they need and that some are not able to live a better life than others. | |||
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"And I know I’m in for a right bashing now but a pot of money only stretches so far. but far enough to pay for toilet roll or a ham sandwich on certain peoples expenses though "again in for a bashing but if these people that claim the extra ( which they shouldn’t ) were not in the position they are in then who would be? What kind of more shit would this country be in than it already is. There needs to be things out I place to stop these politicians taking this kind of advantage I fully agree. | |||
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"And I know I’m in for a right bashing now but a pot of money only stretches so far. but far enough to pay for toilet roll or a ham sandwich on certain peoples expenses though again in for a bashing but if these people that claim the extra ( which they shouldn’t ) were not in the position they are in then who would be? What kind of more shit would this country be in than it already is. There needs to be things out I place to stop these politicians taking this kind of advantage I fully agree. "so they should set the example then? maybe others would follow? yet they dont and criticise the people on benefits and pretend 'we are all in this together' leaders should lead from the front then i MIGHT have a good word to say about one of them, until they stop treating it like a free for all why should anybody else? | |||
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"See the thing is if you don’t cap benifits some how or make a robust structure of who and how people get them then the system collapses and then every one is at a loss. It’s harsh I know and hard to understand but you have to have things in place for those who can make a living do so and those that Can not are supported addicuatly. But we have to understand that it is a benifit and therefore who ever is on them will not live a life of luxury but should have the basics. Home, warmth, accesses to education, health service and food and clothing. They are not going to be able to have the best of the best biggest or the biggest and all that. Unfortunately we see far to often those that are on benefits due to children, being a career, disability and so on and so on live better than those that work and that does not make sense as it would appear that mo why is not being shared appropriately. And that is the attitude that led the Government to reduce benefits for everyone. People thinking that everyone one benefits lives the life of Reilly and should be just existing. no now that is not what I said I am saying I agree that all benefits should be means tested in some way to there for make sure that people who require benifits get what they need and that some are not able to live a better life than others." They are. They have also changed the work capability assessments to a basic joint mobility assessment, that doesn't take into consideration anything other than if you can walk up 3 steps, raise your arms and bend down to pick something up off the floor. GP's evidence is being ignored, letters to blind people not being sent in Braille, letters going to wrong addresses, a high proportion of cases going to appeal and winning. This suggests to me that these assessments are being assessed to try to fail as many people as possible. ATOS have also been caught out lying on assessments-possibly to meet Government targets so they didn't lose their contract. | |||
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"See the thing is if you don’t cap benifits some how or make a robust structure of who and how people get them then the system collapses and then every one is at a loss. It’s harsh I know and hard to understand but you have to have things in place for those who can make a living do so and those that Can not are supported addicuatly. But we have to understand that it is a benifit and therefore who ever is on them will not live a life of luxury but should have the basics. Home, warmth, accesses to education, health service and food and clothing. They are not going to be able to have the best of the best biggest or the biggest and all that. Unfortunately we see far to often those that are on benefits due to children, being a career, disability and so on and so on live better than those that work and that does not make sense as it would appear that mo why is not being shared appropriately. And that is the attitude that led the Government to reduce benefits for everyone. People thinking that everyone one benefits lives the life of Reilly and should be just existing. no now that is not what I said I am saying I agree that all benefits should be means tested in some way to there for make sure that people who require benifits get what they need and that some are not able to live a better life than others. They are. They have also changed the work capability assessments to a basic joint mobility assessment, that doesn't take into consideration anything other than if you can walk up 3 steps, raise your arms and bend down to pick something up off the floor. GP's evidence is being ignored, letters to blind people not being sent in Braille, letters going to wrong addresses, a high proportion of cases going to appeal and winning. This suggests to me that these assessments are being assessed to try to fail as many people as possible. ATOS have also been caught out lying on assessments-possibly to meet Government targets so they didn't lose their contract." | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? " And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. | |||
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) that a minority will try to take advantage and of course fraud and/or lack of incentive should be tackled but things have swung far too far in the other direction now with the popular demonisation of benefit claimants (who clearly all own 3 dogs each FFS  ) and the state sanctioned cruelty to so many people in genuine difficulty through no fault of their own and for myriad reasons. The current UC debacle is terrifying and we should all care about that since because it might only take a few twists of fate before 'we' also find ourselves using it. It's all very well reducing the benefits bill but that should be done *after* the metaphorical playing field of life is levelled (see housing costs vs wages, though of course it's much more than that) and not before. | |||
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"The lack of empathy shown by some on this thread is very disappointing. Shameful even. But then the UK has increasingly become an 'us and them' nation in recent years so I shouldn't be surprised. Open your eyes people - it doesn't take long to find evidence of both individuals and families falling foul of the Universal Credit system. Glib and predictable remarks about 'the unemployed' (because they are of course a homogeneous mass, just like 'single mothers' and 'the disabled') ignores the fact that many benefit recipients already bloody work. The more pertinent question might be why their wages are wholly insufficient to support a modest standard of living in 21st century Britain. Why the cost of housing is so unrealistic, and why ordinary wages haven't kept pace with this cost for many years. Why therefore, is it right that someone who works (as they're 'supposed' to) has to claim benefits at all? ... and why is it that when they have been forced into doing this, their difficult situation is made even harder by arguably pointless and spiteful red tape? ... such as those paid 4 weekly being adversely affected by having UC payments stopped when they're deemed to have been paid 'twice' in a qualifying period. As explained upthread, this leaves people floundering trying to pay for services like childcare or rent which needs to be paid in advance and inevitably leads to hardship. It seems to me that Universal Credit and the way it's administered is all about punitive punishment of 'the poor'. No matter what your circumstances and how you came to be there, you should feel ashamed because you're undeserving of help and getting the assistance you need is going to be made as difficult and unpleasant as possible in the hope it will deter some from applying at all. Never mind the wider economic situation, never mind the misfortune of disability or chronic conditions that no-one chooses, every individual is basically expected to 'better' themselves under this inhumane government who refuse to accept it's literally impossible for everyone to do that even if they wanted to and/or were capable of doing so. All those low paid jobs - they're actually necessary and someone has to do them! We are *supposed* to be a society and that should mean caring - both literally and metaphorically for everyone in it instead of despising the less fortunate. It is inevitable that when money is being 'given out' (as some would see it ) that a minority will try to take advantage and of course fraud and/or lack of incentive should be tackled but things have swung far too far in the other direction now with the popular demonisation of benefit claimants (who clearly all own 3 dogs each FFS ) and the state sanctioned cruelty to so many people in genuine difficulty through no fault of their own and for myriad reasons. The current UC debacle is terrifying and we should all care about that since because it might only take a few twists of fate before 'we' also find ourselves using it. It's all very well reducing the benefits bill but that should be done *after* the metaphorical playing field of life is levelled (see housing costs vs wages, though of course it's much more than that) and not before."I agree and i do care and there are genuine people who find themselves with the need to claim benefits but there are an awful lot of people taking the piss and it needs sorting. I totally stand by what I said above. | |||
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"The lack of empathy shown by some on this thread is very disappointing. Shameful even. But then the UK has increasingly become an 'us and them' nation in recent years so I shouldn't be surprised. Open your eyes people - it doesn't take long to find evidence of both individuals and families falling foul of the Universal Credit system. Glib and predictable remarks about 'the unemployed' (because they are of course a homogeneous mass, just like 'single mothers' and 'the disabled') ignores the fact that many benefit recipients already bloody work. The more pertinent question might be why their wages are wholly insufficient to support a modest standard of living in 21st century Britain. Why the cost of housing is so unrealistic, and why ordinary wages haven't kept pace with this cost for many years. Why therefore, is it right that someone who works (as they're 'supposed' to) has to claim benefits at all? ... and why is it that when they have been forced into doing this, their difficult situation is made even harder by arguably pointless and spiteful red tape? ... such as those paid 4 weekly being adversely affected by having UC payments stopped when they're deemed to have been paid 'twice' in a qualifying period. As explained upthread, this leaves people floundering trying to pay for services like childcare or rent which needs to be paid in advance and inevitably leads to hardship. It seems to me that Universal Credit and the way it's administered is all about punitive punishment of 'the poor'. No matter what your circumstances and how you came to be there, you should feel ashamed because you're undeserving of help and getting the assistance you need is going to be made as difficult and unpleasant as possible in the hope it will deter some from applying at all. Never mind the wider economic situation, never mind the misfortune of disability or chronic conditions that no-one chooses, every individual is basically expected to 'better' themselves under this inhumane government who refuse to accept it's literally impossible for everyone to do that even if they wanted to and/or were capable of doing so. All those low paid jobs - they're actually necessary and someone has to do them! We are *supposed* to be a society and that should mean caring - both literally and metaphorically for everyone in it instead of despising the less fortunate. It is inevitable that when money is being 'given out' (as some would see it ) that a minority will try to take advantage and of course fraud and/or lack of incentive should be tackled but things have swung far too far in the other direction now with the popular demonisation of benefit claimants (who clearly all own 3 dogs each FFS ) and the state sanctioned cruelty to so many people in genuine difficulty through no fault of their own and for myriad reasons. The current UC debacle is terrifying and we should all care about that since because it might only take a few twists of fate before 'we' also find ourselves using it. It's all very well reducing the benefits bill but that should be done *after* the metaphorical playing field of life is levelled (see housing costs vs wages, though of course it's much more than that) and not before.
I agree and i do care and there are genuine people who find themselves with the need to claim benefits but there are an awful lot of people taking the piss and it needs sorting. I totally stand by what I said above. "There's also huge numbers of genuine claimants being severely punished for the actions of the relative few - as in, there being more in genuine need than fraudsters. And of course that affects children too 
But Universal Credit doesn't exist in a bubble. It's one part of a much wider ongoing political agenda where anyone who isn't well off is increasingly disadvantaged - education, local council services, healthcare, I could go on (but haven't the time). I don't know what THE answer is but more compassion and humanity would be a good start. | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? " | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. " | |||
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"Simple reason is they want every single person in the entire country to go to work 123 hours a week , even if they are a blind torso . Absolute criminals this government . They dont understand what " skint" really means . Bunch of Cunts sorry !! Really That’s rubbish. I just googled what it was and the blind torso bit is crap too because that’s a different kettle of fish altogether. People are being turned down wbo are severely disabled,because of work capability assessments. There are plenty of news stories about them. The benefit was always about reducing the benefits bill and the companies brought in to do the assessments are doing what the government asked them to do. They do this by turning down people who they shouldn't, and then these people have to appeal to win back their benefits. In the mean time they starve, risk losing their rented accommodation or beg from relatives. I'm not sure of actual figure, but the amount that go to appeal and win is quite high, and costs the Government a lot of money. Also, if you get paid twice in one UC payment period, you don't get anything and lose out on a whole month's money. This might be because of an early payment before a bank holiday, or getting an invoice paid early. UC is also more expensive to deliver than all of the legacy benefits, even though it was supposed to be less expensive. That's a fair summary to be fair . Well said " | |||
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"Set up so that people give up. I love all the tent villages springing up around the country though. PS if you need a tribunal for PIP it can takeup to 2 years, you could be dead by then."
I can't help but wonder if there'll also be an increase in suicides due to the increased risk of stress, anxiety, depression, and social isolation this policy creates. And if you're physically run down because you can't afford to eat and/or heat properly, there's even more chance of your mental health being adversely affected. | |||
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I can't help but wonder if there'll also be an increase in suicides due to the increased risk of stress, anxiety, depression, and social isolation this policy creates. And if you're physically run down because you can't afford to eat and/or heat properly, there's even more chance of your mental health being adversely affected. "Of course there will -but politicians don't really care about that -what they care about is headline policies that make it look like they are removing benefit scroungers from the system -so as to appease the Daily Mail brigade | |||
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"make the pen -pushing civil servants 'somehow' have their wages paid into Universal credit system .. amazingly the 6 weeks would disappear. see again this is not helpfull. These are people that probebly get paid every four weeks and wIting a extra two weeks may cause some discomfort but does not solve a problem just makes a hard working person upset and others that already don’t work probably not want to bother working it’s a silly remark and holds absolutely no point what so ever i forgot only you should have an opinion. if civil servants had to wait 6 weeks itd stop overnight .. perfectly plausible point" You do realise there are probably lots of civil servants in receipt of universal credit? | |||
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"make the pen -pushing civil servants 'somehow' have their wages paid into Universal credit system .. amazingly the 6 weeks would disappear. see again this is not helpfull. These are people that probebly get paid every four weeks and wIting a extra two weeks may cause some discomfort but does not solve a problem just makes a hard working person upset and others that already don’t work probably not want to bother working it’s a silly remark and holds absolutely no point what so ever i forgot only you should have an opinion. if civil servants had to wait 6 weeks itd stop overnight .. perfectly plausible point You do realise there are probably lots of civil servants in receipt of universal credit?" . like there are probably lots of ghosts .  | |||
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"From my experience of helping a few people sort thier benifits out in the past the "completley unfair delays" are usualy down to the claiment; Not filling forms out properly Not turning up for appointments Not bringing everything they need Not fulfilling thier requirements Sending stuff on a friday expecting it sorted by Sunday Not having read any of the guides/how to's/instructions And other silly things like that. When they go on time fully prepped with what they need and having done what they needed to things tend to go smoothly." if you had said 'sometimes' down to the claimant I would have agreed with you. Initially you have to apply via computer - I know lots of over 50s friends who still have difficulty using one- let alone the time it takes initially. Then re producing forms ;you can be asked to provide items that dont yet exist(ie;salary slip- may not yet exist-) so there's a delay already .etc etc. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration? It takes so long to count the vast amount of tax and NI they collect from hard working people like myself that by the time they have done this then decided which dead end cause to habit out to 6 weeks has passed. Never mind, how about you all get jobs instead of relying on hand outs? Just saying x what a idiotic post. " Nope.. True. I've seen the anoint they take from me every feckin month. It's more than sine average monthly wages. If we didn't have to support so many layabouts I wouldn't have to pay so much tax.. Simples. | |||
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"From my experience of helping a few people sort thier benifits out in the past the "completley unfair delays" are usualy down to the claiment; Not filling forms out properly Not turning up for appointments Not bringing everything they need Not fulfilling thier requirements Sending stuff on a friday expecting it sorted by Sunday Not having read any of the guides/how to's/instructions And other silly things like that. When they go on time fully prepped with what they need and having done what they needed to things tend to go smoothly." Totally agree with you...if you are going to claim be prepared to chase up and re chase every movement,otherwise you get lost in the system . | |||
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"It's because they want it to reflect how we get paid by an employer. They assume that everyone has a few grand put away to pay rent, council tax, utility bills and food etc for when we are out of work or waiting for our first pay day. Who? What is it Universal credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment: income support income-based jobseeker's allowance income-related employment and support allowance housing benefit child tax credit working tax credit It was designed to make claiming benefits simpler. It's flawed and isn't working for everyone." In my opinion it's a much better, more simple way of collecting the benefits due to you. In practice the administration behind it is a fucking shambles. No-one should be kept waiting as long as they are for the benefits they're due. Last time I had to claim benefits I was told "it can take up to 8 weeks for your payments to come through". Q1 how am I supposed to live in the meantime? Dont worry, It'll be backdated. Super I'll let my landlord and Tesco know that. Pretty sure they'll be fine with it. Q2 you've just accepted all my paperwork and entered all my details onto your computer. Why the fucks it taking 8 weeks? The entire benefits system needs major surgery. This was supposed to be a part of it. Unfortunately it's dieing under anaesthetic. | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you" Make your own luck in life. The world owes you nothing but sadly most people these days think it does. | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you" Nice boobs by the way | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Nice boobs by the way" Awful attitude | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you" Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern "You're lucky to have survived on fresh air | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact "My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact
My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact "I don’t beat around the bush or sugarcoat. Those were facts and I’m expressing my views as they are. My priorities are me and mine, everyone and everything else comes second and if that’s selfish then so be it. Anyway I respect your opinion but I’m too tired to argue so I shall say good night | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact
My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact "I don’t beat around the bush or sugarcoat. Those were facts and I’m expressing my views as they are. My priorities are me and mine, everyone and everything else comes second and if that’s selfish then so be it. Anyway I respect your opinion but I’m too tired to argue so I shall say good night | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Nice boobs by the way Awful attitude
Nah.. Just bored on a dull Wednesday evening. Winding you up that's all xxx
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration?" Because it is paid in arrears. So in switching from being paid fortnightly to being paid monthly it's meant to take 6 weeks (which yes is time for all the different departments to talk to each other too) Unfortunately it's often longer because those departments all speak different languages. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration? It takes so long to count the vast amount of tax and NI they collect from hard working people like myself that by the time they have done this then decided which dead end cause to habit out to 6 weeks has passed. Never mind, how about you all get jobs instead of relying on hand outs? Just saying x what a idiotic post. Nope.. True. I've seen the anoint they take from me every feckin month. It's more than sine average monthly wages. If we didn't have to support so many layabouts I wouldn't have to pay so much tax.. Simples. fact is it??? that simple?? keep talking because it just shows everyone on here how foolish you are. Ah bless.. Seen his arse and blocked me "no my filters just block idiots from looking at my profile or messaging me! | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact
My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact "How the feck does that sound like "I'm alright Jack?" It's sounds like I got up, worked my arse off and make a success of it as a result" to me. | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact
My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact
How the feck does that sound like "I'm alright Jack?"
It's sounds like I got up, worked my arse off and make a success of it as a result" to me. "I can lend you some specs to read it all properly if you like | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern
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My opinions won’t change. I’ve never been handed anything on a plate and neither do I expect it when I can do something about it myself. Maybe it’s how I was brought up. If you look back you’ll see that I didn’t disagree that some people need help. My issue is with the lazy people who expect everything to be given to them. And those people do exist. Fact
My issue was with how you expressed your views...it sounds very ' I'm alright jack'...fact
How the feck does that sound like "I'm alright Jack?"
It's sounds like I got up, worked my arse off and make a success of it as a result" to me.
I can lend you some specs to read it all properly if you like"I've got mine on already. Which is probably why I saw this bit; "I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it." No need to thank me.  | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? And on top of that the majority, yes the majority of the parents of these children I would see smoking, how much is a packet of fags? A lot of people are just downright lazy, again a fact. Like I said there are genuine people that need help but nobody should ever just expect things to be handed on a plate to do what they please with but unfortunately some think to think the world owes them a living. I hope you're never down on your luck and reliant on the state to assist you Oh I was down on my luck believe me. I had a very good job which I had to give up when my child was diagnosed autistic. The money I could have claimed was a lot but no i didn’t. I spent hours researching what I could do, how to set up a business from nothing. Hundreds of sleepless nights, literal blood sweat and tears and now I have a successful business because of what I put into it and I’m bloody proud of myself for doing it. So yeah I was down on my luck but I didn’t rely on the state but thanks for the concern "Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? | |||
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"The lack of empathy shown by some on this thread is very disappointing. Shameful even. But then the UK has increasingly become an 'us and them' nation in recent years so I shouldn't be surprised. Open your eyes people - it doesn't take long to find evidence of both individuals and families falling foul of the Universal Credit system. Glib and predictable remarks about 'the unemployed' (because they are of course a homogeneous mass, just like 'single mothers' and 'the disabled') ignores the fact that many benefit recipients already bloody work. The more pertinent question might be why their wages are wholly insufficient to support a modest standard of living in 21st century Britain. Why the cost of housing is so unrealistic, and why ordinary wages haven't kept pace with this cost for many years. Why therefore, is it right that someone who works (as they're 'supposed' to) has to claim benefits at all? ... and why is it that when they have been forced into doing this, their difficult situation is made even harder by arguably pointless and spiteful red tape? ... such as those paid 4 weekly being adversely affected by having UC payments stopped when they're deemed to have been paid 'twice' in a qualifying period. As explained upthread, this leaves people floundering trying to pay for services like childcare or rent which needs to be paid in advance and inevitably leads to hardship. It seems to me that Universal Credit and the way it's administered is all about punitive punishment of 'the poor'. No matter what your circumstances and how you came to be there, you should feel ashamed because you're undeserving of help and getting the assistance you need is going to be made as difficult and unpleasant as possible in the hope it will deter some from applying at all. Never mind the wider economic situation, never mind the misfortune of disability or chronic conditions that no-one chooses, every individual is basically expected to 'better' themselves under this inhumane government who refuse to accept it's literally impossible for everyone to do that even if they wanted to and/or were capable of doing so. All those low paid jobs - they're actually necessary and someone has to do them! We are *supposed* to be a society and that should mean caring - both literally and metaphorically for everyone in it instead of despising the less fortunate. It is inevitable that when money is being 'given out' (as some would see it ) that a minority will try to take advantage and of course fraud and/or lack of incentive should be tackled but things have swung far too far in the other direction now with the popular demonisation of benefit claimants (who clearly all own 3 dogs each FFS ) and the state sanctioned cruelty to so many people in genuine difficulty through no fault of their own and for myriad reasons. The current UC debacle is terrifying and we should all care about that since because it might only take a few twists of fate before 'we' also find ourselves using it. It's all very well reducing the benefits bill but that should be done *after* the metaphorical playing field of life is levelled (see housing costs vs wages, though of course it's much more than that) and not before."Well said | |||
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"Set up so that people give up. I love all the tent villages springing up around the country though. PS if you need a tribunal for PIP it can takeup to 2 years, you could be dead by then.
I can't help but wonder if there'll also be an increase in suicides due to the increased risk of stress, anxiety, depression, and social isolation this policy creates. And if you're physically run down because you can't afford to eat and/or heat properly, there's even more chance of your mental health being adversely affected. "There already has been an increase in suicide due to it | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks How many people working, actually save money to one side in the slim chance they will be sacked / unemployed? I would like to assume nearly everyone aside from those living extremely hand to mouth ? You really dont save anything to cover bills etc for a few months or emergancy expenses? " No one I know does that. Myself and others are careful with our money. We don't waste it on bad habits, fake nails, tans, regular clothes shopping etc or regular nights out. Our bills are paid and can be done by using a pay as you go ekevtiv and gas meter. Costs alittle more but you'll never worry about a huge bill landing on your doorstep. Also everyone with kids (working or not) is entilted to child benefit (was family allowance back in its day). I don't know anyone who can afford to save despite earning a fair wage. Not everywhere within the UK is cheap to live. My old Victorian end of terrace house costs me 1k per mth in rent! I'm also a single mother to teens. When someone who isn't working and claims to not live on on a single government hand out, I too am curious to know how its done. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks" And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. I fail to see what your point is here. Yes there are people who perhaps wouldn’t have savings. What has that got to do with me? I don’t recall at any point saying people who need to claim shouldn’t. I was merely giving an example to how easy it would have been to just sit back and live off the state which, unfortunately, some people choose to do. " Applying for help, that they are entitled to, when they need, it is not sitting back and living off the state. You were fortunate that somehow you had enough money for you and your child to live on while you trained for another job. That would be an awful lot of money for some people, especially if the training is 6 months or more and they have more than one child and rent to not fall behind on. Incidentally, UC is for people in work too as it's replacing working tax credits, which many people receive, including single parents in jobs like nursing. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. I fail to see what your point is here. Yes there are people who perhaps wouldn’t have savings. What has that got to do with me? I don’t recall at any point saying people who need to claim shouldn’t. I was merely giving an example to how easy it would have been to just sit back and live off the state which, unfortunately, some people choose to do. Applying for help, that they are entitled to, when they need, it is not sitting back and living off the state. You were fortunate that somehow you had enough money for you and your child to live on while you trained for another job. That would be an awful lot of money for some people, especially if the training is 6 months or more and they have more than one child and rent to not fall behind on. Incidentally, UC is for people in work too as it's replacing working tax credits, which many people receive, including single parents in jobs like nursing. " Did I say that? So are you saying there aren’t any people in this country who choose to live off the state instead of working? That’s my issue, not the people who genuinely need the help. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. I fail to see what your point is here. Yes there are people who perhaps wouldn’t have savings. What has that got to do with me? I don’t recall at any point saying people who need to claim shouldn’t. I was merely giving an example to how easy it would have been to just sit back and live off the state which, unfortunately, some people choose to do. Applying for help, that they are entitled to, when they need, it is not sitting back and living off the state. You were fortunate that somehow you had enough money for you and your child to live on while you trained for another job. That would be an awful lot of money for some people, especially if the training is 6 months or more and they have more than one child and rent to not fall behind on. Incidentally, UC is for people in work too as it's replacing working tax credits, which many people receive, including single parents in jobs like nursing. Did I say that? So are you saying there aren’t any people in this country who choose to live off the state instead of working? That’s my issue, not the people who genuinely need the help. " There are very few people who are capable of working who are defrauding the DWP. Because people like you caused an outcry over what they thought was a multi billion pound scam of their tax money, the Government decided to make it more difficult to claim benefits, by introducing a new way of assessing. Not everyone is fully capable of accessing UC, because of disabilities and lack of internet savvy, or access to the internet. These people are not sitting back and living off the state, as some people think. A few bad apples has made a lot of people think being on benefits is being a lazy scrounger. You did well to do what you did, however you managed it, but not everyone can. Universal Credit should have been a great reform for everyone, and it's not; it's punishing the sick, disabled, single parents and even the self-employed, because it has design flaws. Which, in this day and age, with all the money in this country and technology, it shouldn't have. Don't punish the many for the crimes of the few. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. I fail to see what your point is here. Yes there are people who perhaps wouldn’t have savings. What has that got to do with me? I don’t recall at any point saying people who need to claim shouldn’t. I was merely giving an example to how easy it would have been to just sit back and live off the state which, unfortunately, some people choose to do. Applying for help, that they are entitled to, when they need, it is not sitting back and living off the state. You were fortunate that somehow you had enough money for you and your child to live on while you trained for another job. That would be an awful lot of money for some people, especially if the training is 6 months or more and they have more than one child and rent to not fall behind on. Incidentally, UC is for people in work too as it's replacing working tax credits, which many people receive, including single parents in jobs like nursing. Did I say that? So are you saying there aren’t any people in this country who choose to live off the state instead of working? That’s my issue, not the people who genuinely need the help. There are very few people who are capable of working who are defrauding the DWP. Because people like you caused an outcry over what they thought was a multi billion pound scam of their tax money, the Government decided to make it more difficult to claim benefits, by introducing a new way of assessing. Not everyone is fully capable of accessing UC, because of disabilities and lack of internet savvy, or access to the internet. These people are not sitting back and living off the state, as some people think. A few bad apples has made a lot of people think being on benefits is being a lazy scrounger. You did well to do what you did, however you managed it, but not everyone can. Universal Credit should have been a great reform for everyone, and it's not; it's punishing the sick, disabled, single parents and even the self-employed, because it has design flaws. Which, in this day and age, with all the money in this country and technology, it shouldn't have. Don't punish the many for the crimes of the few." People like me? Again, not what I said. I have no issues with genuine people claiming. My issues are with the fraudulent claims of which there are many. Not sure how many times I need to say the same thing here. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks And that's wonderful but there are people who don't have savings that can last them for months. I fail to see what your point is here. Yes there are people who perhaps wouldn’t have savings. What has that got to do with me? I don’t recall at any point saying people who need to claim shouldn’t. I was merely giving an example to how easy it would have been to just sit back and live off the state which, unfortunately, some people choose to do. I wasn't making a point. I quoted your post last night and asked a question. Carter chose to answer it and I replied to him. Yes you’re right I didn’t notice his comment. Apologies " No worries | |||
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"Any one with any better ideas and full understanding of economics is obviously more than welcome to move in to politics, admittedly system might not be doing as good as it should and definitely needs review but judging it with out real facts and understanding of where the money will come from to support this is never going to help. Over the past 30 years with have created a environment where everyone feels they are entitled to somthing. Lot like ( and this will sound terrible ) back in the old days where our parents used to count every penny and make it last even if that meant not having a take away, less fags no booze for two weeks, basic tv, phone , not having 3 dogs, walking to work rather than the car for a week I could continue but I’m sure I’m in for a world of hate already " | |||
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"It needed a shake up. Fact. Yes there are genuine people who need help but there are also an awful lot of people taking the piss out of the system too and that needs sorting. And I am not talking about disability benefits here as I see that as a totally different thing. I worked in a school for 10 years and again another fact is I saw many many kids getting free school dinners where mine had packed lunch because I couldn’t afford school dinner prices. Then they introduced free laptops for all the free school dinner children in years 9 to 11. My daughter didn’t have one because guess what I work my arse off so am entitled to fuck all. On top of that most and I mean most of the so called poor/under privileged kids had the latest apple iPhone and the latest trainers. Again my child didn’t. If people can’t afford to feed their children why aren’t part of the benefits paid in food vouchers? " It's no compensation, but Good On You !, I mean that. My mum was the same when we lost my dad, she worked 2 unskilled jobs all hours with 4 kids, me and 3 teenagers. We got bugger all help apart from a council house to live in, as our rented house went with my dads job. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks How many people working, actually save money to one side in the slim chance they will be sacked / unemployed? I would like to assume nearly everyone aside from those living extremely hand to mouth ? You really dont save anything to cover bills etc for a few months or emergancy expenses? No one I know does that. Myself and others are careful with our money. We don't waste it on bad habits, fake nails, tans, regular clothes shopping etc or regular nights out. Our bills are paid and can be done by using a pay as you go ekevtiv and gas meter. Costs alittle more but you'll never worry about a huge bill landing on your doorstep. Also everyone with kids (working or not) is entilted to child benefit (was family allowance back in its day). I don't know anyone who can afford to save despite earning a fair wage. Not everywhere within the UK is cheap to live. My old Victorian end of terrace house costs me 1k per mth in rent! I'm also a single mother to teens. When someone who isn't working and claims to not live on on a single government hand out, I too am curious to know how its done." Where as all the working class people i know put money aside reguarly. The only ones who dont have savings are the ones with drink/gambling issues. You choose to live in a place that costs you 1k in rent and chose to use more expensive pay as you go meters seemingly due to bad planning. You know you can enter your readings every month and get very accurate bills they even show you how much its going to be well before it arrives. By contrast your rent alone would pay for my mortgage on a 4 bed detached, gas and electricity, food, my mobile, my internet, my amazon prime and netflix, house amd bike insurance (if i switched to monthly) water and council tax. Not everyone is bad with money | |||
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"I sometimes think that the government is going about it wrong in their approach tbh. Perhaps instead of financial support that many could construe as handouts or freebies, structural problems in the economy should be addressed. Free child care or a nominal fee depending on the person's earnings for example would be a huge benefit. Food stamps in a predetermined amount as opposed to just wiring money into an account. How about better working wages more in line with actual costs of living? Caps on rental increases (unsure if they exist) to better protect tenants. These and other measures I believe would be more effective and help cut down on abuse of the system." You get 35 hours a week free child care. And food stamps tend to have a thriving black market wherever they are used. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38143422 Also you have to compete with these types of people making just insane decisions with thier money and then blaming others. | |||
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" Fair play to you for making it a success. It sounds like it took a few months to come to fruition. What did you live on in the meantime? Id guess during the 10 years of working in the school she put a little aside each month to cover future unemployment risks How many people working, actually save money to one side in the slim chance they will be sacked / unemployed? I would like to assume nearly everyone aside from those living extremely hand to mouth ? You really dont save anything to cover bills etc for a few months or emergancy expenses? No one I know does that. Myself and others are careful with our money. We don't waste it on bad habits, fake nails, tans, regular clothes shopping etc or regular nights out. Our bills are paid and can be done by using a pay as you go ekevtiv and gas meter. Costs alittle more but you'll never worry about a huge bill landing on your doorstep. Also everyone with kids (working or not) is entilted to child benefit (was family allowance back in its day). I don't know anyone who can afford to save despite earning a fair wage. Not everywhere within the UK is cheap to live. My old Victorian end of terrace house costs me 1k per mth in rent! I'm also a single mother to teens. When someone who isn't working and claims to not live on on a single government hand out, I too am curious to know how its done. Where as all the working class people i know put money aside reguarly. The only ones who dont have savings are the ones with drink/gambling issues. You choose to live in a place that costs you 1k in rent and chose to use more expensive pay as you go meters seemingly due to bad planning. You know you can enter your readings every month and get very accurate bills they even show you how much its going to be well before it arrives. By contrast your rent alone would pay for my mortgage on a 4 bed detached, gas and electricity, food, my mobile, my internet, my amazon prime and netflix, house amd bike insurance (if i switched to monthly) water and council tax. Not everyone is bad with money" You think people renting choose to pay that much
I live in an area where rental prices are high and mortgages are cheap. If you can get one that is. Which of course you'd have to save for a deposit first, which isn't easy when you're paying nearly 3 times what you would pay in a mortgage.
As for prepayment meters. I'm so glad the rented house I moved into didn't have them, but if it does you can't just "choose" them. To be honest I'm not sure I know any person who chooses a prepayment meter.
As for your broad sweeping generalisation about the working class and savings I know that is factually incorrect.
I'm really happy that life seems easy for you. But there are a lot of people who are just trying to do the best they can with what they can, they don't need you deamonising them.
As for there being loads of benefit fraud... Nope, not at all, stop reading the daily mail... If you actually suspect someone you know, report it, if you don't know someone who is committing benefit fraud atop believing the media who love to claim that a very small minority are the cause of all the UK's problems. | |||
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I live in an area where rental prices are high and mortgages are cheap. If you can get one that is. Which of course you'd have to save for a deposit first, which isn't easy when you're paying nearly 3 times what you would pay in a mortgage.
As for prepayment meters. I'm so glad the rented house I moved into didn't have them, but if it does you can't just "choose" them. To be honest I'm not sure I know any person who chooses a prepayment meter.
As for your broad sweeping generalisation about the working class and savings I know that is factually incorrect.
I'm really happy that life seems easy for you. But there are a lot of people who are just trying to do the best they can with what they can, they don't need you deamonising them.
As for there being loads of benefit fraud... Nope, not at all, stop reading the daily mail... If you actually suspect someone you know, report it, if you don't know someone who is committing benefit fraud atop believing the media who love to claim that a very small minority are the cause of all the UK's problems. " | |||
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I can't help but wonder if there'll also be an increase in suicides due to the increased risk of stress, anxiety, depression, and social isolation this policy creates. And if you're physically run down because you can't afford to eat and/or heat properly, there's even more chance of your mental health being adversely affected. "Yes there already is proof out there. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/15/exclusive-new-study-links-universal-credit-to-increased-suicide-risk Also this guy is getting backpaid all his sick pay after getting into the news with his story,he was assessed as fit for work: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/six-stone-man-whos-barely-13947802 Also the DWP staff are being told not to refer people to food banks, it's thought this is so that no statistics can be gathered to prove that people are being referred to food banks via benefit loss, debt, waiting times, etc. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/foodbanks-records-jobcentre-dwp_uk_5b61c1bde4b0b15aba9ebcc9 | |||
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"Set up so that people give up. I love all the tent villages springing up around the country though. PS if you need a tribunal for PIP it can takeup to 2 years, you could be dead by then.
I can't help but wonder if there'll also be an increase in suicides due to the increased risk of stress, anxiety, depression, and social isolation this policy creates. And if you're physically run down because you can't afford to eat and/or heat properly, there's even more chance of your mental health being adversely affected.
Yes there already is proof out there.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/15/exclusive-new-study-links-universal-credit-to-increased-suicide-risk
Also this guy is getting backpaid all his sick pay after getting into the news with his story,he was assessed as fit for work:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/six-stone-man-whos-barely-13947802
Also the DWP staff are being told not to refer people to food banks, it's thought this is so that no statistics can be gathered to prove that people are being referred to food banks via benefit loss, debt, waiting times, etc.
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"make the pen -pushing civil servants 'somehow' have their wages paid into Universal credit system .. amazingly the 6 weeks would disappear. see again this is not helpfull. These are people that probebly get paid every four weeks and wIting a extra two weeks may cause some discomfort but does not solve a problem just makes a hard working person upset and others that already don’t work probably not want to bother working it’s a silly remark and holds absolutely no point what so ever i forgot only you should have an opinion. if civil servants had to wait 6 weeks itd stop overnight .. perfectly plausible point You do realise there are probably lots of civil servants in receipt of universal credit?" . yes and ones just been jailed for paying herself too much Universal Credit.You do realize that | |||
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"I was surprised to see Mrs N's son who is just about to finish serving a 3 month prison sentence for assaulting a police officer has been paid Universal credit and comes out of prison with £ 1200 in his bank account when it was Zero when he went in and rent paid on his flat as before. He is a known drug addict and dealer. Where is the sense in this I wonder ??? " No sense, unless they were so slow paying in the first place it was owed to him no matter his personal circumstances. | |||
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"I was surprised to see Mrs N's son who is just about to finish serving a 3 month prison sentence for assaulting a police officer has been paid Universal credit and comes out of prison with £ 1200 in his bank account when it was Zero when he went in and rent paid on his flat as before. He is a known drug addict and dealer. Where is the sense in this I wonder ??? " If he comes out penniless and homeless he'll be more likely to immediately reoffend I'd imagine. | |||
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I think we should all be thankful for the benefits system and those of us that are employed should hope that we never have to use it!
I don't understand why anyone would begrudge anyone help when they need it.
Being unemployed is soul destroying - I doubt the majority are living the lives the Daily Mail and Channel 5 would like us to believe
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote." There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. " You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. " Does it? I thought that DLA etc was a seperate thing. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it of how many can wait for 6 weeks and more and as a result they cant pay the rent in time, why does it take time, is it down to administration? It takes so long to count the vast amount of tax and NI they collect from hard working people like myself that by the time they have done this then decided which dead end cause to habit out to 6 weeks has passed. Never mind, how about you all get jobs instead of relying on hand outs? Just saying x what a idiotic post. Nope.. True. I've seen the anoint they take from me every feckin month. It's more than sine average monthly wages. If we didn't have to support so many layabouts I wouldn't have to pay so much tax.. Simples." what a disgusting attitude what happens when u need help through sickness or disability you starve or seek benefits. Personally I worked paid taxes insurence for nearly 40 years now I need help through disability should I be hanging my head in shame your attitude stinks .Hollie | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. Does it? I thought that DLA etc was a seperate thing. " Yes because the severe disability paymant you can currently get on ESA is not available to UC claimants. A disabled person on UC would loose £91 a week. | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. " That's appalling. Are there no other benefits to supplement the discrepancy or is Universal Credit supposed be a one stop shop, rolling all benefits into one? I thought the idea was to have one benefit that took into account all the individuals circumstances, instead of having to claim several different complicated benefits? Our welfare benefits system needs a serious overhaul, I'm not sure anyone's got the stones to make it happen, it's a political hot potato. | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. That's appalling. Are there no other benefits to supplement the discrepancy or is Universal Credit supposed be a one stop shop, rolling all benefits into one? I thought the idea was to have one benefit that took into account all the individuals circumstances, instead of having to claim several different complicated benefits? Our welfare benefits system needs a serious overhaul, I'm not sure anyone's got the stones to make it happen, it's a political hot potato. " It's meant to put together 6 benefits. ESA, jobseekers allowance, tax credits, housing benefit and income support. Nora is right PIP used to be disability living allowance isn't part of it but the extra money a peopon on ESA (which is for those with a disability) gets is a lot lower on UC. | |||
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"For those that missed it, the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, there was a question on Universal Credit. Should it scrapped? and their answers NO! a few platitudes that it must be done better. To sum up 'business as usual. In the snap election this coming October use your vote. There's nothing wrong with the concept behind the change in benefits. What's totally fucked it up is the department responsible for administering it need to get their collective heads out of their arses and do the job properly. If they could only extract their digits and get on with it, I suspect we'd see the damn thing doing what it's supposed to do. You are right on paper it looks like a much better system however like you said it's been handled very bady. It does however penalise people with long term disabilities/illness as the rates are much lower. That's appalling. Are there no other benefits to supplement the discrepancy or is Universal Credit supposed be a one stop shop, rolling all benefits into one? I thought the idea was to have one benefit that took into account all the individuals circumstances, instead of having to claim several different complicated benefits? Our welfare benefits system needs a serious overhaul, I'm not sure anyone's got the stones to make it happen, it's a political hot potato. It's meant to put together 6 benefits. ESA, jobseekers allowance, tax credits, housing benefit and income support. Nora is right PIP used to be disability living allowance isn't part of it but the extra money a peopon on ESA (which is for those with a disability) gets is a lot lower on UC. " Piss poor. Can't say more than that. | |||
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"I've applied for UC this week For both myself & one of my sons, who has just moved from DLA to PIP. Having heard so many horror stories from friends, and stuff I've seen on social media I was concerned Application took about 30mins on the computer at the job centre, I had to go back 2 days later for an interview. It lasted 10 mins, claim approved. First payments won't be til 1st Jan They offered an advance payment to get us through til then which will be deducted at a very small amount each month over the next year. Before I'd even left the building, got a banking app notification the money was in my account! " I’ve always just found it a bit shit that they ‘loan’ you benefits you are entitled to and you pay it back out of your benefits - the majority of which are the amount the government deem the minimum you need to live off. The speed and rate they give this advance has improved in the past couple of years, I’ll give them that and I’m glad your experience was positive as it shouldn’t be a struggle to claim | |||
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"I've applied for UC this week For both myself & one of my sons, who has just moved from DLA to PIP. Having heard so many horror stories from friends, and stuff I've seen on social media I was concerned Application took about 30mins on the computer at the job centre, I had to go back 2 days later for an interview. It lasted 10 mins, claim approved. First payments won't be til 1st Jan They offered an advance payment to get us through til then which will be deducted at a very small amount each month over the next year. Before I'd even left the building, got a banking app notification the money was in my account! I’ve always just found it a bit shit that they ‘loan’ you benefits you are entitled to and you pay it back out of your benefits - the majority of which are the amount the government deem the minimum you need to live off. The speed and rate they give this advance has improved in the past couple of years, I’ll give them that and I’m glad your experience was positive as it shouldn’t be a struggle to claim "You're right, it shouldn't be a struggle. Benefits are there to support people, at times when they are unable to do so themselves. I've spent years fighting for my sons money, he survived a stroke as a young child but it left him with severe disabilities & brain damage. The hoops I had to jump through to makes claims on his behalf, to provide the equipment, therapies & support he needs was ridiculous. I see no problem with the loans though. I understand it can take several weeks to fully process a claim, work out exactly what he is entitled to. They've already accounted his minimum amount, and have paid out a sizeable sum to see us through those weeks. The amount they're taking back is less than £80 a month which will have little impact on what he will then receive monthly after that Without the loan, I'd be putting myself into debt to cover his expenses til January | |||
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"my work colleague is on UC. We work in education (special needs) a job she absoutely loves My colleague works 30 hrs a week. term time. single mum of a young child. UC are making her apply for a better paid job. they claim she doesnt earn enough She had to prove weekly she is actively seeking another job she isn't English so limited in her choices they want to force her out of what she loves into possibly factory work (he did before). long hours in a job she hates meaning child care costs which she doesnt currently have due to working term times I don't understand the logic I always understood benefits topped up the lower paid earners to encourage people to do these roles" It's more about harassment of the claimant and tax credits allow employers to exploit people and pay less than a living week's wages in many cases even though people can't take full time jobs if they have family commitments etc | |||
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"Think 6 weeks is a long wait? Well my claim for PIP from april 2018 has just been awarded. Only took 2 assesments that didn't award me enough points, almost two years of my life, and a tribunal. " PIP is a joke... glad its finally sorted x | |||
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"Think 6 weeks is a long wait? Well my claim for PIP from april 2018 has just been awarded. Only took 2 assesments that didn't award me enough points, almost two years of my life, and a tribunal. PIP is a joke... glad its finally sorted x " Thanks, i'm only awarded the lowest rate of care (which is less than JSA for some reason) but the backpay will cover me a wheelchair, new washer, and taxis to loads of much needed appointments. | |||
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