FabSwingers.com forum: Lying. Is it acceptable?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So, we all know it's bad to lie to people. That's old news. But, as life goes on there are times when we all have pulled a porky. However we justify it to ourselves it is a lie.

Everyone of you including myself have told a white lie, distorted the truth or otherwise embellished a tale.

So the question at hand; is lying acceptable in certain circumstances? If so, how and why?

Tell us all of your small or even tall tales (No judgement!) And you could win a prize! (Prize not included)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world.

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By *andyladMan
over a year ago

Hereorthere

Never lied in my life

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Yes. No. Maybe. It wasn't me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world."

That's what I came here to hear; mission accomplished.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's lots of times it's acceptable to lie. Or at least avoid answering the question.

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

It depends I guess but I wouldn't say it was good to deceive others.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world.

That's what I came here to hear; mission accomplished."

See how easy it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world.

That's what I came here to hear; mission accomplished.

See how easy it is

And it's also very hard

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing."
Really, I know we used to have white.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing. Really, I know we used to have white."

It's not all about colour!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never though I can lie by commission, I like that one!

As, I think it was, nicecouple said earlier if your friend asked on her wedding day how she looked, regardless of how she looked, you'd say she looked perfect!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Never though I can lie by commission, I like that one!

As, I think it was, nicecouple said earlier if your friend asked on her wedding day how she looked, regardless of how she looked, you'd say she looked perfect! "

Of course! Anyone would for their friends, that's why I find it's interesting how we blur the lines of what is and what isn't acceptable depending on the situation; I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world.

That's what I came here to hear; mission accomplished.

See how easy it is

And it's also very hard

So it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing. Really, I know we used to have white."

If you do a search you'll find a few Mr White, Blue and Brown.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing. Really, I know we used to have white.

If you do a search you'll find a few Mr White, Blue and Brown. "
Message them and get them on the forums.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

There's Mr Pink and Mr White on here.

Just Brown and Blue missing. Really, I know we used to have white.

If you do a search you'll find a few Mr White, Blue and Brown. Message them and get them on the forums."

Fab users, unite!

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

It's got to be done if you want a good nights sleep.

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By *upremexMan
over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie. "

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

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By *upremexMan
over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

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.. That's true.

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life."

I never told my children the tooth fairy. Easter bunny and santa we're real.

I couldn't bring myself to lie to innocents.

They knew from an early age I wouldn't lie to them nor should they lie to me as it causes more problems.

I withhold information rather than lie , unless asked a direct question.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Never lied in my life "

Bulls*#*t

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"So, we all know it's bad to lie to people. That's old news. But, as life goes on there are times when we all have pulled a porky. However we justify it to ourselves it is a lie.

Everyone of you including myself have told a white lie, distorted the truth or otherwise embellished a tale.

So the question at hand; is lying acceptable in certain circumstances? If so, how and why?

Tell us all of your small or even tall tales (No judgement!) And you could win a prize! (Prize not included)

Sometimes we lie to protect others from the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

It's why it's so easy to lie online as 80% of communiction is body language and you have to be a really good liar to be able to pull it off face to face then remember it without the lie being written down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

.. That's true."

I used to get caught out by saying her new hair cut looked great. Only problem was she hadnt had it cut yet.

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By *upremexMan
over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

.. That's true.

I used to get caught out by saying her new hair cut looked great. Only problem was she hadnt had it cut yet."
.... So funny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

.. That's true.

I used to get caught out by saying her new hair cut looked great. Only problem was she hadnt had it cut yet."

That's right answer, but bad timing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

.. That's true.

I used to get caught out by saying her new hair cut looked great. Only problem was she hadnt had it cut yet.

That's right answer, but bad timing... "

The problem was I kept forgetting when she was getting it done so I thought if I said it randomly? Then of course when she had had it done...did I remember? Did I heck...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Its not just the answer it's the pause before the answer that is judged...

.. That's true.

I used to get caught out by saying her new hair cut looked great. Only problem was she hadnt had it cut yet.

That's right answer, but bad timing...

The problem was I kept forgetting when she was getting it done so I thought if I said it randomly? Then of course when she had had it done...did I remember? Did I heck..."

At least your new hair cut looks good mate

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Easier answer is it's not ok to lie to someone to mess with their head, gain privilege, or to get them to do something they wouldn't consent to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honesty is always the best policy. Unless your about to go to prison

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Everyone lies, including to themselves. You have to assume that it's a given in life. Where the line is to be drawn on what's acceptable, we each decide for ourselves but must accept the consequences. I was often the person who told the truth at school and admitted breaking rules and paid the price but was happy - it helped to build confidence. I lie occasionally for an easier life but prefer not to. The important component is the relationship that you have with others and trust - preferring to have greater intimacy and honesty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn’t like to tell the truth if It hurt someone’s feelings I.e you thought they weren’t very good looking or sexy ect, so surely it’s acceptable at that time to lie and say they were beautiful? Xx

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By *layful HarlequinMan
over a year ago

iver heath

Never !!

Ops I literally just did

Sorry !!!

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By *oinus1961Couple
over a year ago

Huntingdon

I think there are degrees of lies. I don't lie to my oh. I don't need to. But a previous partner who was jealous, possessive and abusive I did end up lying to for self protection.

It was easier to say I hadn't spoken to anyone rather than face his interrogation and interpretation.

But now there is no need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lies are sometimes necessary, I would dare and say speaking the truth at times is absolutely inhumane and cruel.

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Oh I've lied way younger and learned a lot now i just avoid a situation completely so I look deeply smart now

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By *iBlackguyMan
over a year ago

NottinghaM

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie. "

Nope sorry love a big bum so I always tell the truth on that one. Usually followed by me cuddling her arse from behind and giving her a kiss on one of the bum cheeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If its" does my bum look big in this then we all lie.

Nope sorry love a big bum so I always tell the truth on that one. Usually followed by me cuddling her arse from behind and giving her a kiss on one of the bum cheeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, you do have the nicest penis in the world."

Hahahahahaha. That made me laugh out loud.

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By *iBlackguyMan
over a year ago

NottinghaM

I think it's more of what type of lies that are told that makes the difference and who to. Lies in a relationship big or small destroy the trust imo. Sometimes the truth hurts but really needs to be said.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Everyone lies, including to themselves. You have to assume that it's a given in life. Where the line is to be drawn on what's acceptable, we each decide for ourselves but must accept the consequences. I was often the person who told the truth at school and admitted breaking rules and paid the price but was happy - it helped to build confidence. I lie occasionally for an easier life but prefer not to. The important component is the relationship that you have with others and trust - preferring to have greater intimacy and honesty. "

That's a very succinct and thoughtful answer, I agree there are times when we each deem it necessary accordingly with our own morals. As far as a moral compass goes, to some extent we all have one yet it is only relevant when we decide it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The truth at times is hard to handle. Finding my truth has been a lifetime journey for the most part I live a lie.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Well it was very deceitful of us to lie to the NAZIs and deceive them to our true plans and movements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please give the award to the young man I met a few days ago. All his pics were fake and he literally wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the face.

I guess we all tell a few little porkies, but I despise liars, hypocrites and people who take advantage of the good folk.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I think lying is always wrong. I prefer to live a life where I never lie, and managed that for 20 odd years, during the whole of my marriage. It is possible - it's just more challenging.

If l do choose to lie now, for instance to not upset my family with the fact I sometimes have sex with random men, then I accept I am doing a wrong thing which I would really rather not. I think it's important to recognise that - if you excuse one lie, you can excuse them all, and truth becomes devalued.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Anyone who says they don't lie is lying ... however

There are the innocent white lies "yes that dress looks lovely" and there's out and out deception

Where the crossover from ok to wrong is ... well ... that's s philosophical thesis in the making

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Its a weather balloon ""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the massess will believe a big lie before a small one. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf.1929. Makes me think of Brexit(sorry) both sides!

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan
over a year ago

Northampton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone with a computer apparently lies. Radio 4 documentery says new computers installation asks "Have you read the terms & conditions" tick box- everyone ti ks yes,yet t&c's in legalise.apparently you agree in t&c's that you've allowed companies to listen in .Glad Ive never had a computer !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone with a computer apparently lies. Radio 4 documentery says new computers installation asks "Have you read the terms & conditions" tick box- everyone ti ks yes,yet t&c's in legalise.apparently you agree in t&c's that you've allowed companies to listen in .Glad Ive never had a computer !"

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

Phone??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate lies. It's even worse when you know someone is lying to you and you're pretending everything is fine. Or when you find out some time later something was actually a lie. The worst feeling ever. I prefer to be honest when I can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

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my phone(second hand)

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

One of my mums sayings were 'you cab trust a thief, but you can never trust a lair'

I think it is rather adept

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

Phone??

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yes frisky mare ..go to the top of the class & collect a Gold star .Ive never yet been on a computer ( or in a Mc.Donalds !!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

Phone??

yes frisky mare ..go to the top of the class & collect a Gold star .Ive never yet been on a computer ( or in a Mc.Donalds !!)"

But a phone that can connect to the internet has a processor, memory, and graphics. it IS a computer, and therefore subject to all the same agreements as any other computer.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Never lied in my life "

There goes another one !

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life.

I never told my children the tooth fairy. Easter bunny and santa we're real.

I couldn't bring myself to lie to innocents.

They knew from an early age I wouldn't lie to them nor should they lie to me as it causes more problems.

I withhold information rather than lie , unless asked a direct question. "

Commonly known as 'lying by omission' ...... obscuring the truth tsk tsk ...

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I know it is perfectly acceptable for politicians to lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont care"

Thats a fib, you know you really care a lot

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"One of my mums sayings were 'you cab trust a thief, but you can never trust a lair'

I think it is rather adept "

I think it's just a daft saying rather than a brilliant insight into behaviour.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The O.P. says " We all know it's bad to lie to people," That's pure assumption.

I don't think it's morally wrong to lie. Not in all circumstances.

I'm more interested in where ideas about morality are formed and how some come to think of them as absolutes.

Now ...... We ALL know it's WRONG to swing...... right ?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"The O.P. says " We all know it's bad to lie to people," That's pure assumption.

I don't think it's morally wrong to lie. Not in all circumstances.

I'm more interested in where ideas about morality are formed and how some come to think of them as absolutes.

Now ...... We ALL know it's WRONG to swing...... right ?"

Absolutely .

If it wasn’t wrong , what would be the point ?

If everyone did it there would be no fabswingers , no forum , nothing .

We are programmed to want to do what we know we really shouldn’t be doing .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ummm, so how did you make this post?

Phone??

yes frisky mare ..go to the top of the class & collect a Gold star .Ive never yet been on a computer ( or in a Mc.Donalds !!)

But a phone that can connect to the internet has a processor, memory, and graphics. it IS a computer, and therefore subject to all the same agreements as any other computer.

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You dont sign t&c's with a second hand phone ,which I mentioned,& what my post was referring to: not wether a phone is a computer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish there was a button on forum to block people who just want to argue.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"I wish there was a button on forum to block people who just want to argue."

What! And miss out on the fallout of the fun and furore? That's a lie right there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You dont sign t&c's with a second hand phone ,which I mentioned,& what my post was referring to: not wether a phone is a computer.

That's the whole point, you do agree to t&c's to use the internet, to use search engines, to join fabswingers. New or second hand makes no difference, they are the same ones whatever device you use, except portable devices also tell the internet where you are when used.

So unless you have pinched someone's phone, with their accounts including the one you are posting from, you have agreed to the terms and conditions that you think you have avoided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have, on occasion, asked a coworker to interrupt a session with a patient at a specific time saying I've got an urgent phone call if I know they talk for too long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You dont sign t&c's with a second hand phone ,which I mentioned,& what my post was referring to: not wether a phone is a computer.

So unless you have pinched someone's phone, with their accounts including the one you are posting from, you have agreed to the terms and conditions that you think you have avoided.my original post does say 'radio 4 says NEW COMPUTER INSTALLATIONS. Most reasonable thinking people dont think a home computer/laptop is a mobile phone.Hence when you asked how do I post on fabswingers if no computer,as someone else asked "phone"?is the reasonable thinking persons alternative ...we all bow to your superior intellect .m'lud.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we all bow to your superior intellect .m'lud.

Thank you, I will accept that Radio 4 was at fault confusing the issue between computers which have no terms and conditions, and software / internet which does

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life.

I never told my children the tooth fairy. Easter bunny and santa we're real.

I couldn't bring myself to lie to innocents.

They knew from an early age I wouldn't lie to them nor should they lie to me as it causes more problems.

I withhold information rather than lie , unless asked a direct question. "

I have always felt uneasy with these lies to my kids but I went with the Santa and tooth fairy for the other children. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels like this, I've been called a grinch for not wanting to lie! I also got dirty looks and stupid questions when I told my 4year old how babies were born (in 4 year old language) why would I lie! It's what happens!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life.

I never told my children the tooth fairy. Easter bunny and santa we're real.

I couldn't bring myself to lie to innocents.

They knew from an early age I wouldn't lie to them nor should they lie to me as it causes more problems.

I withhold information rather than lie , unless asked a direct question.

Definite grinches. Sparking imagination and fascination regarding Christmas and fairy tales into my little 3yr old is so much more rewarding than the truth. I think he will forgive me for lying about these things

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

"Still waiting on, Mr White, Brown, Pink and Blue aren't we.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lie about where I met Mr (obviously on a a good old socially acceptable dating site) as it’s my business, but also the judgement. I also lie by omission to some about being bi- good old homophobia, and again it’s my business.

They may cheat and fuck loads of people, but would have moral outrage at me being on a swingers site x It’s all down to someone else’s moral compass or prejudice in cases like this xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are trained to lie from birth, tooth fairy, Santa, etc. It's part of life.

I never told my children the tooth fairy. Easter bunny and santa we're real.

I couldn't bring myself to lie to innocents.

They knew from an early age I wouldn't lie to them nor should they lie to me as it causes more problems.

I withhold information rather than lie , unless asked a direct question.

Surely that would be classed as fiction and not lies? Or are you telling me Middle Earth doesn't exist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Friends don’t lie!

*one for the geeks.

I lied to my kids all the time...that a lovely picture, I’d love to put it on the fridge.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The O.P. says " We all know it's bad to lie to people," That's pure assumption.

I don't think it's morally wrong to lie. Not in all circumstances.

I'm more interested in where ideas about morality are formed and how some come to think of them as absolutes.

Now ...... We ALL know it's WRONG to swing...... right ?"

Interesting question about where morals come from.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

My mum said “if you never tell a lie you never have to remember what you said”. It makes life sooooooo much easier.

But of course we all do. The difference between those little white lies and bad lies is rooted in why you’re telling them.

If you’re telling them because you care about the other person “mmmmm that was yummy but I’m full and couldn’t eat another mouthful”. That’s a kind lie. There’s no self pleasure there. You’re hungry and you just had crap food.

If you’re found doing it for you “I can’t come to work I have a sore throat...... off out with friends”... that’s a selfish lie rooted in pleasing the self. This can be as simple as bogging off work everything through to pure evil.

Then there’s crossovers... Father Christmas for example. We all have different ways of talking about this with our kids. I don’t consider it a lie, but I do think it’s fiction. It’s like story telling or fantasy. There’s no morality issue in story telling if it’s rooted in the pleasure of others. Magic can do wonderful things.

V x

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over a year ago

"My mum said “if you never tell a lie you never have to remember what you said”. It makes life sooooooo much easier.

But of course we all do. The difference between those little white lies and bad lies is rooted in why you’re telling them.

V x "

Perfectly put!

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over a year ago

"I lie about where I met Mr (obviously on a a good old socially acceptable dating site) as it’s my business, but also the judgement. I also lie by omission to some about being bi- good old homophobia, and again it’s my business.

They may cheat and fuck loads of people, but would have moral outrage at me being on a swingers site x It’s all down to someone else’s moral compass or prejudice in cases like this xx "

Should say it’s to family because it’s not acceptable in my family. Don’t care if others know, but obviously don’t go out of my way to tell them, as it’s my business. Trusted friends know xx

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over a year ago

I lie to nearly everyone where i met my ex. It was on here. I say we met on a night out with friends... it's only a little lie. Technically I did meet him this way, only it was for a social and not on a night out with friends

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over a year ago

Complete honesty is rarely well received.

I think we should all try a day where we only speak the absolute truth.

We'd all be unemployed, friendless and for those in relationships probably single

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over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I lie to nearly everyone where i met my ex. It was on here. I say we met on a night out with friends... it's only a little lie. Technically I did meet him this way, only it was for a social and not on a night out with friends

I just say 'online' and laugh.

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over a year ago

I just say 'online' and laugh.

Haha if not for the fact that we have a child together, i wouldnt need to fib

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over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Complete honesty is rarely well received.

I think we should all try a day where we only speak the absolute truth.

We'd all be unemployed, friendless and for those in relationships probably single

I think you over-estimate, as I say, apart from ticking boxes to say I've read terms and conditions I didn't lie for 20 odd years and I very rarely do now. I've just got into the habit of finding a way to avoid it.

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over a year ago

"Complete honesty is rarely well received.

I think we should all try a day where we only speak the absolute truth.

We'd all be unemployed, friendless and for those in relationships probably single

I'm famous for it lol no-one asks me for my opinion unless they actually want as I don't believe in saying unecessary things! The world might be a better place if people didn't want so many compliments all the time ... and before anyone asks I'm never rude, that old adage "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing" works perfectly

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over a year ago

I told the truth, and said that I was meeting someone for a drink, who he knew and was deleted and blocked by my fwb

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over a year ago

"Complete honesty is rarely well received.

I think we should all try a day where we only speak the absolute truth.

We'd all be unemployed, friendless and for those in relationships probably single

"The truth is rarely pure and never simple."

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over a year ago

If people started telling the truth more then it wouldn't be such a problem ... it's just that maybe one gets in the habit of not telling the truth and then it's to get yourself out is difficult

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over a year ago

"Complete honesty is rarely well received.

I think we should all try a day where we only speak the absolute truth.

We'd all be unemployed, friendless and for those in relationships probably single

"The truth is rarely pure and never simple.""

B side of a lightning seeds track?

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"If people started telling the truth more then it wouldn't be such a problem ... it's just that maybe one gets in the habit of not telling the truth and then it's to get yourself out is difficult "

*would help if I read before pressing post!! NO IT'S sorry

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