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"ignorance... Are you old enough to remember the floating icebergs? i am and i have been seriously shocked tonight reading the circumcision thread and the fact people seem to believe cleanliness prevents stds. Now it was a pretty crap campaign, and sadly led to horrific travesty's such as the forced imprisonment of hiv sufferers. however it seems to me that there is an urgent need for a mass public health campaign on stds, if people do not even understand what a virus is then how are they to protect themselves? Or do you think it is a waste of money and people are responsible for their own health? With the internet at their finger tips is every one just responsible for their own actions?" I cant remember the year, think it was about 1982 when we had the big aids campaign but it didnt stop people not using condoms | |||
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"Through out life we are responsible for our own actions in everything we do. However, noone needs to be ignorant these days as far as sexual health goes. The information is out there. I remember callum coming home with a questionaire from school about HIV and there was about 20 questions on it and he knew every answer (which i didnt) " Schools do seem to be better than when i was there, but ppl still seem misinformed, however if schools are doing it(mine are to young yet to have covered std's) then maybe i just need to accept some ppl dont listen or want to learn. | |||
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"Through out life we are responsible for our own actions in everything we do. However, noone needs to be ignorant these days as far as sexual health goes. The information is out there. I remember callum coming home with a questionaire from school about HIV and there was about 20 questions on it and he knew every answer (which i didnt) Schools do seem to be better than when i was there, but ppl still seem misinformed, however if schools are doing it(mine are to young yet to have covered std's) then maybe i just need to accept some ppl dont listen or want to learn." They had a lesson 2 hours a week cant recall the name of it, but basically it was about life, it covered sex, drugs that sort of thing. If i turn the television on, at least every other night there is a programme on called, how to enjoy sex, how to do sex, teen sex ect ect. You have to walk round pretty blinkered not to know about stds. The only ones i can imagine not knowing things are those that lead very surpressed lives and i would be surprised if they where activly having recreational sex. I think in some cases its a case of "it wont happen to me". I taught my son pretty much all i could, he also learnt from school, when he started to see his ex girlfriend i asked if he wanted me to get condoms and he casually said, no its ok there are a few places we can get them from like connections, now hes pretty naive and if he knew stuff like that then anyone can | |||
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"ignorance... Now it was a pretty crap campaign, and sadly led to horrific travesty's such as the forced imprisonment of hiv sufferers. " Terence Higgins trust think differently. From BBC website: "...the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. France, Spain and Italy were all slower to react, the Terrence Higgins Trust (THT) has noted. Each of those countries has around twice the number of people with HIV as the UK, where there were an estimated 86,500 in 2009, according to the trust." | |||
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"ignorance... Now it was a pretty crap campaign, and sadly led to horrific travesty's such as the forced imprisonment of hiv sufferers. Terence Higgins trust think differently. From BBC website: "...the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. France, Spain and Italy were all slower to react, the Terrence Higgins Trust (THT) has noted. Each of those countries has around twice the number of people with HIV as the UK, where there were an estimated 86,500 in 2009, according to the trust."" I suspect many of the paid employees of the THT would not even remember the early 1980s Jemima describes, when people were being lockedup and AIDS was, inaccurately, being described as 'the gay plague' and being attributed to dodgy batches of poppers or the water in bath houses and saunas. Take a look at this thread and the references to bi men. People need to stop and think quite carefully; there are other risk groups within which infection rates are growing faster than men who have sex with men. (There's no point worrying about gay or bi men when there are men who have sex with men who do not acknowledge, even to themselves, being either gay or bi, a flaw in some previous work.) Being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence and does not lead automatically to AIDS or death - as friends of mine now in their 60s after infection in the 80s can attest. That fact should not change people's assessment of the risk of being infected with an STI, but it does affect the overall risk calculation... | |||
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" That fact should not change people's assessment of the risk of being infected with an STI, but it does affect the overall risk calculation..." But sadly it does... From STIs to Smoking and all points in between... There is the "It wont happen to me" brigade and, with modern medical advancement, the "If it does happen... Someone will cure me AND the people I infect..." The first of which is human nature... The second is pure criminal beligerence... The information is out there... If one can be arsed to look for it... And act on it...!!! | |||
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" That fact should not change people's assessment of the risk of being infected with an STI, but it does affect the overall risk calculation... But sadly it does... From STIs to Smoking and all points in between... There is the "It wont happen to me" brigade and, with modern medical advancement, the "If it does happen... Someone will cure me AND the people I infect..." The first of which is human nature... The second is pure criminal beligerence... The information is out there... If one can be arsed to look for it... And act on it...!!!"  | |||
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" That fact should not change people's assessment of the risk of being infected with an STI, but it does affect the overall risk calculation... But sadly it does... From STIs to Smoking and all points in between... There is the "It wont happen to me" brigade and, with modern medical advancement, the "If it does happen... Someone will cure me AND the people I infect..." The first of which is human nature... The second is pure criminal beligerence... The information is out there... If one can be arsed to look for it... And act on it...!!!" You can't expect any serious understanding of risk in a nation where people are stupid enough to support a national lottery | |||
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"You only have to look at some of the 'action' pics on here...half of them not a condom in sight. Frightening really. " I always look at that. Sometimes it's own partner but not always. | |||
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" You can't expect any serious understanding of risk in a nation where people are stupid enough to support a national lottery" I can and I do...!! The national lottery is a bit of fun and has nothing to do with this subject or the mindset of the human race on a serious subject like this one...;-) | |||
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"You only have to look at some of the 'action' pics on here...half of them not a condom in sight. Frightening really. I always look at that. Sometimes it's own partner but not always." ....but it's really hard to tell unless they have "I'm his missus" written on their foo   | |||
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" Being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence and does not lead automatically to AIDS or death ." I wish people would understand this. You usually see posts written on the forum like this.... 'Don't people realise that HIV is a DEATH SENTENCE'. Some people also believe that the exchange of bodily fluids only relates to semen. People are in possession of some facts but not all and a lot is embellished. A lot of people only focus on HIV too  | |||
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"ignorance... Now it was a pretty crap campaign, and sadly led to horrific travesty's such as the forced imprisonment of hiv sufferers. Terence Higgins trust think differently. From BBC website: "...the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. France, Spain and Italy were all slower to react, the Terrence Higgins Trust (THT) has noted. Each of those countries has around twice the number of people with HIV as the UK, where there were an estimated 86,500 in 2009, according to the trust."" Sorry i was thinking in far more shallow terms than that, it just looked crap, but thanks for that info, it's kind of what i was meaning, everyone saw the ads, and you have found proof they worked. | |||
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"ignorance... Now it was a pretty crap campaign, and sadly led to horrific travesty's such as the forced imprisonment of hiv sufferers. Terence Higgins trust think differently. From BBC website: "...the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. France, Spain and Italy were all slower to react, the Terrence Higgins Trust (THT) has noted. Each of those countries has around twice the number of people with HIV as the UK, where there were an estimated 86,500 in 2009, according to the trust." I suspect many of the paid employees of the THT would not even remember the early 1980s Jemima describes, when people were being lockedup and AIDS was, inaccurately, being described as 'the gay plague' and being attributed to dodgy batches of poppers or the water in bath houses and saunas. Take a look at this thread and the references to bi men. People need to stop and think quite carefully; there are other risk groups within which infection rates are growing faster than men who have sex with men. (There's no point worrying about gay or bi men when there are men who have sex with men who do not acknowledge, even to themselves, being either gay or bi, a flaw in some previous work.) Being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence and does not lead automatically to AIDS or death - as friends of mine now in their 60s after infection in the 80s can attest. That fact should not change people's assessment of the risk of being infected with an STI, but it does affect the overall risk calculation..." The other aspect of crap i meant...it fostered fear and paranoia, | |||
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"I have a very open and understanding relationship with one of my staff and he has recently been diagnosed with HIV. This however hasn't stopped him visiting sauna's and cruising areas and meeting people offline. OK, so he now uses a condom for penetrative sex unless the other person has the same status as him, but he still gives out blow jobs without demanding the guy wears a condom - and there is a risk (albeit a smaller one) of things being passed on through oral contact. We have had a few frank discussions about this over the last few weeks as I think he needs to calm it down a bit now or certainly restrict his choice of sexual partners. He sees things certainly ref the blow jobs differently. He has been told that he could have had that status for 6,7 maybe 8 years but had never been checked and in those years by his reckoning he has had intimate contact with probably 500/600 guys. So whilst someones status might read clear now, it doesn't mean that they are always safe. I know what I have said may sound a little shocking to some but I have been as candid as I can in an attempt to demonstrate why responsibility for your own sexual health must be placed directly at your own feet and no one elses." i agree wholeheartedly about being responsible, however the question i suppose i am asking is do we need to educate better since some ppl clearly take risks ,or will they take the risks no matter what. i understand what _wayman is saying re understanding of risk, but to understand we need knowledge surely? Whose responsibility is it to provide that knowledge and in what form? | |||
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" Being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence and does not lead automatically to AIDS or death . I wish people would understand this. You usually see posts written on the forum like this.... 'Don't people realise that HIV is a DEATH SENTENCE'. Some people also believe that the exchange of bodily fluids only relates to semen. People are in possession of some facts but not all and a lot is embellished. A lot of people only focus on HIV too "But I want to add to this that whilst HIV+ patients won't all develop AIDS, some will as this is the advanced stage of HIV infection. Whilst you don't want paranoia to set in, you do want people to be aware and not go the other way and minimise risk and take responsibility for their own sexual health | |||
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"The man at the GUM clinic said dont believe anyone when they say they are clean, he said they dont know you from adam so they arent going to be bothered about you. I watched a hospital program and they were talking about STDs and there was a girl who found out she had HIV, and she had to start taking tablets otherwise she could get meningitus or something and die. I think it would be a good idea to have even more programs on the telly about STDs, only earlier in the evening, so more people would watch them, sometimes you forget what you have heard, so you need reminding." perhaps today programmes is a better route than ads ans leaflets, i never ask if ppl are "clean" i use condoms because i assume they might not be, for me i think its the only way. | |||
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" Being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence and does not lead automatically to AIDS or death . I wish people would understand this. You usually see posts written on the forum like this.... 'Don't people realise that HIV is a DEATH SENTENCE'. Some people also believe that the exchange of bodily fluids only relates to semen. People are in possession of some facts but not all and a lot is embellished. A lot of people only focus on HIV too "ty, this thread was about any and all stds ppl want to discuss
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"only safe sex is no sex ... as after going to gum your at risk everytime you meet a stranger for sex ... its high risk .kissing you can get things to not just oral and having sex ...and at times condoms slip off .. people need to know risks before going into have sex with people thay dont really know."
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"The man at the GUM clinic said dont believe anyone when they say they are clean, he said they dont know you from adam so they arent going to be bothered about you. I watched a hospital program and they were talking about STDs and there was a girl who found out she had HIV, and she had to start taking tablets otherwise she could get meningitus or something and die. I think it would be a good idea to have even more programs on the telly about STDs, only earlier in the evening, so more people would watch them, sometimes you forget what you have heard, so you need reminding. perhaps today programmes is a better route than ads ans leaflets, i never ask if ppl are "clean" i use condoms because i assume they might not be, for me i think its the only way." No i never ask if they are clean, only i told the man at the clinic that last summer i met a man who said he was clean and didnt need to use a condom. I have it on my profile, must be safe sex. | |||
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"So glad op brought this up,.. something like this cannot get enough awarness of the risks involved. I know someone who is on this site( not going to name and shame) who has been swinging 17 yrs and bi and goes bareback most of the time, he introduced me to this site and as i went threw browes section more and more pics of him barebacking lots and lots of people. Hes fit, lovely body, goodlooking .... yet thinks coz he washes or fucks in a jaqquzzi at a swingers club bareback he wont catch aids? ... another classic was, " they look clean so i will be ok" comment! .... i do feel swingers sites by rule should have more information on the sites about stds and aids as some peoe just think it will never be them! Or there in denial and deep down maybe know there already riddled? Id suggest every profile should have a play safe logo on or in chat a pop up of play safe, use cindoms get a check up warning on ? Anything that will prevent, and raise awarness is a good thing right? And a few people will be spared. Two of my besr friends are nurses in northwest and said northwest was one of the worst regions for stds and aids cpl of years ago. Its ftightning but very much a reality. Glad op posted this topic its one that needs adressing and to be taken very seriously xx ty op xx " i used to be very active in the lgbt scene in london, and possibly the only thing we all agreed on was open discussion is the only way forward | |||
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"The man at the GUM clinic said dont believe anyone when they say they are clean, he said they dont know you from adam so they arent going to be bothered about you. I watched a hospital program and they were talking about STDs and there was a girl who found out she had HIV, and she had to start taking tablets otherwise she could get meningitus or something and die. I think it would be a good idea to have even more programs on the telly about STDs, only earlier in the evening, so more people would watch them, sometimes you forget what you have heard, so you need reminding. perhaps today programmes is a better route than ads ans leaflets, i never ask if ppl are "clean" i use condoms because i assume they might not be, for me i think its the only way. No i never ask if they are clean, only i told the man at the clinic that last summer i met a man who said he was clean and didnt need to use a condom. I have it on my profile, must be safe sex." He said, if a man doesnt use a condom, you should go and get tested two weeks later. | |||
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"My childrens sex ed was fantastic,parents were involved with everything that was taught They have a school nurse that gives age appropriate classes about anything and everything to do with sex and protection Along with all the fabulously educational programmes that are on the tv as well I really think that most teenagers are well clued up,far more than their adult counterparts were at the same age BUT even though the knowledge is there and the information is freely available there are always going to be people that stick their heads in the sand and you'll never be able to change that I did read a while back that there was a rise in STIs in the late 30s and eraly 40s divorced and newly single crowd,they somehow have assumed that at that age they're immune and speaking to freinds that work in sexual health they feel that this set of people need educating and need to be targeted as most campaigns are aimed at 16-24 " ohhh i hadnt thought of it that way at all, but it would explain a lot. i have to say the eldests psrs class seems excellent,they cover emotions ect loads. perhaps there is a need then for targeted advertising at the older age group? | |||
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"My childrens sex ed was fantastic,parents were involved with everything that was taught They have a school nurse that gives age appropriate classes about anything and everything to do with sex and protection Along with all the fabulously educational programmes that are on the tv as well I really think that most teenagers are well clued up,far more than their adult counterparts were at the same age BUT even though the knowledge is there and the information is freely available there are always going to be people that stick their heads in the sand and you'll never be able to change that I did read a while back that there was a rise in STIs in the late 30s and eraly 40s divorced and newly single crowd,they somehow have assumed that at that age they're immune and speaking to freinds that work in sexual health they feel that this set of people need educating and need to be targeted as most campaigns are aimed at 16-24 " Women only have to have a smear test done every five years instead of every three years, but a doctor said that because more women are having casual sex in their late fourties and fifties, that they should still have cervical smear test done every three years. | |||
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"only safe sex is no sex ... as after going to gum your at risk everytime you meet a stranger for sex ... its high risk .kissing you can get things to not just oral and having sex ...and at times condoms slip off .. people need to know risks before going into have sex with people thay dont really know.
so game, how would you go about informing them?"start young at school .... and have more on the TV , | |||
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"only safe sex is no sex ... as after going to gum your at risk everytime you meet a stranger for sex ... its high risk .kissing you can get things to not just oral and having sex ...and at times condoms slip off .. people need to know risks before going into have sex with people thay dont really know.
so game, how would you go about informing them?start young at school .... and have more on the TV ,"seems from what ppl are saying schools arent bad, i agree we need stuff on the tele, we go to clinics, the ones who dont need to be reached perhaps | |||
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"Honeypotcpl made an excellent point about the rise in STI's within the older generations. Lots of marriages/partnerships end when couples are early 40s, lots of couples have affairs around this age group, so after years of being in a relatively low risk group are suddenly becoming high risk because they are having sex more frequently and lots join sites like this. Youngsters have more confidence in attending clinics. They may be used to having sex advisors talk to them in school, some NHS trusts have groups of outreach workers attending nightclubs, gyms etc offering chlaymdia tests, so there's less stigma. Older generations have grown up referring to GUM clinics as the clap clinic etc, ann negative words and they see a stigma and are reluctant to be seen in the waiting room, or indeed to talk about sex freely. " i can understand that, and it explains some of the ignorance here, what i am wondering is if a mass ad campaign would reach those who currently think it wont happen to them. | |||
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"Reminds me of a FaceBook status I read a while ago. 10 people die of swine flu and everyone wears a mask. 3 million people die of HIV but no one wears a condom. Swine flu was all over the TV, public health campaigns, posters, leaflets handed out on the high street, no one was scared to mention swine flu. Mention HIV or sti's and people go bright red and wander off muttering about fetching the washing in. That's what we have to challenge before any inroad is made in disease prevention. " | |||
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"like driving speaking on a mobile, crossing the road speaking on a mobile, the hill walkers going to the mountains in the snow with no mobile.... people think it happens to others, not them" can we do anything about that though? | |||
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"like driving speaking on a mobile, crossing the road speaking on a mobile, the hill walkers going to the mountains in the snow with no mobile.... people think it happens to others, not them can we do anything about that though?" nope..... there will be a small minority you will never influenece as they know best. better to have tried and failed, than not tried at all tho. | |||
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"Maybe a HIV test should be made mandatory with any health checks at your local GP's. It might sound a little over the top but just think of all the partners out there who don't know what their other half has been up to. Many times when we have been out dogging we have seen married men go straight up to a woman and have a quick shag, no condom or anything remotely safe and then just get in their car and go home to their wife whoare non the wiser." hiv isnt the only thing ppl can catch, and given the push on nhs resources i cant see that being affordable...never mind the civil liberties arguements about mandatory testing, are u going to tell the 60 yr old spinster she must have a test for an std | |||
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"i know a guy who went out with his mates, had a knee trembler with a woman he met in a bar and then went home to his missus to disguise the 'smell' that she may have gotten onto, he washed his cock in a puddle before he got home ! now to me that is just vile " puddle | |||
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"i know a guy who went out with his mates, had a knee trembler with a woman he met in a bar and then went home to his missus to disguise the 'smell' that she may have gotten onto, he washed his cock in a puddle before he got home ! now to me that is just vile " Sorry but im giggling over this. The thought that a guy is bending down on the pavement with his cock out splashing water on it from a puddle is quite amusing. I agree its vile though | |||
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On this subject..Ignorance is NOT bliss!!
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"i know a guy who went out with his mates, had a knee trembler with a woman he met in a bar and then went home to his missus to disguise the 'smell' that she may have gotten onto, he washed his cock in a puddle before he got home ! now to me that is just vile puddle "it wasnt me | |||
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