FabSwingers.com forum: Romanian Big Issue Sellers

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am noticing a big increase in Big Issue sellers who are Romanian women.

Is it:

a. just up here in the Greater Manchester area

b. a pattern across the country

c. just my imagination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A. How many big issue sellers are there in your area?

B. How many of them do you see?

Are they all Romanian

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes there is one old lady where i live, always used to be cute young men with dogs.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"I am noticing a big increase in Big Issue sellers who are Romanian women.

Is it:

a. just up here in the Greater Manchester area

b. a pattern across the country

c. just my imagination

maybe it's the same one stalking you lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am noticing a big increase in Big Issue sellers who are Romanian women.

Is it:

a. just up here in the Greater Manchester area

b. a pattern across the country

c. just my imagination

did you check their passports then?

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By *unterslickCouple
over a year ago

tullamore

there is one lady here in my town,,she has one big issue,,you try to buy it and she says thanks for the donation,,yes she is romany

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Because selling the big issue is classed as self employment. Person's from certain countries are limited to claiming benefits if they have not worked in the UK.

So for example a person from Romania has to of worked for a certain amount of time before being able to claim benefits. So they sell the Big Issue

A. To get work

B to obtain a reference

C. To intigrate with society

D. To claim benefits so that they can obtained housing benefit so they can obtain a decentl home...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A. How many big issue sellers are there in your area?

B. How many of them do you see?

Are they all Romanian"

a 2 or 3

b 2 or 3 (obviously?)

c have not checked passports.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"there is one lady here in my town,,she has one big issue,,you try to buy it and she says thanks for the donation,,yes she is romany"

Romany is not the same as Roma.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

why does the nationality of the seller matter?

not knocking your thread, just wondering

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There are two that sell on patches about five minutes away from me. They are the only BI sellers in the neighbourhood. Further afield I have definitely noticed more of them. They are Romanian, I have asked them, they are chatty enough despite very limited English.

N.B. I freely admit I cannot give hard numbers, hence option C.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because selling the big issue is classed as self employment. Person's from certain countries are limited to claiming benefits if they have not worked in the UK.

So for example a person from Romania has to of worked for a certain amount of time before being able to claim benefits. So they sell the Big Issue

A. To get work

B to obtain a reference

C. To intigrate with society

D. To claim benefits so that they can obtained housing benefit so they can obtain a decentl home... "

and bring their mum and grandmum and brothers and sisters ..........

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"why does the nationality of the seller matter?

not knocking your thread, just wondering

ta "

Good question.

Mainly for two reasons:

Firstly, people from European Accession countries have limits on work permit status.

Secondly - and call me all the names you want here - I do believe the Big Issue should be to help people who have become homeless *whilst already living in the UK* and not for people to enter the country and declare themselves homeless.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Because selling the big issue is classed as self employment. Person's from certain countries are limited to claiming benefits if they have not worked in the UK.

So for example a person from Romania has to of worked for a certain amount of time before being able to claim benefits. So they sell the Big Issue

A. To get work

B to obtain a reference

C. To intigrate with society

D. To claim benefits so that they can obtained housing benefit so they can obtain a decentl home...

and bring their mum and grandmum and brothers and sisters .........."

Why would they do that.. they won't be entitled to benefits either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why does the nationality of the seller matter?

not knocking your thread, just wondering

Good question.

Mainly for two reasons:

Firstly, people from European Accession countries have limits on work permit status.

Do you buy the big issue?

If so buy it off someone who fits your required demographic. I'ts a buyers market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it matter? People that tend to sell the Big Issue are usually in, or trying to escape from a pretty desperate place. Surely their nationality is irrelevent.

I await the inevitable "not even proper homelss, living a big flash house etc etc" post with a sense of resigned inevitability...

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"why does the nationality of the seller matter?

not knocking your thread, just wondering

Good question.

Mainly for two reasons:

Firstly, people from European Accession countries have limits on work permit status.

don't buy it from them then, choose another vendor.

god forbid, I ever have to sell it.

mind ya, I feel similar about all the Brits in Rhodes, Canaries, Majorca, Benidorm etc etc.... giving out tickets for nightclubs to get drinks for the summer...

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By *unterslickCouple
over a year ago

tullamore

lol,,my mistake its an expression in ireland,,she is a gypsie,,as she lives in a house round the corner from me i know her well and her family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has it not occured to you that they probably didnt "enter the country and declare themselves homeless"? Do you think possibly that they had some plan beyond that? Do you think that maybe their circumstances have changed since they arrived?

Incidentally, do you actually buy The Big Issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because selling the big issue is classed as self employment. Person's from certain countries are limited to claiming benefits if they have not worked in the UK.

So for example a person from Romania has to of worked for a certain amount of time before being able to claim benefits. So they sell the Big Issue

A. To get work

B to obtain a reference

C. To intigrate with society

D. To claim benefits so that they can obtained housing benefit so they can obtain a decentl home...

and bring their mum and grandmum and brothers and sisters ..........

Why would they do that.. they won't be entitled to benefits either "

oh they do it. we have lots around costa del medway. The ones I know are very clever, but very lazy. Not all mind but it does seem to be a pattern. They share information.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

God forbid anyone here becomes homeless... Stats say that you are 3 paychecks from becoming homeless...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God forbid anyone here becomes homeless... Stats say that you are 3 paychecks from becoming homeless... "

I think many people forget this. I was very, very close to being homeless 2 1/2 years ago. We are talking hours. A job offer fell through, on benefits and job hunting, benefits agency screwed up my application for Housing benefit, landlord served notice but agreed I could stay if I was upto date before end of the notice period. Housing benefit arrived on the final day. I was single and have no family, I'm not sure what would have happened as there is only so long you can sleep on friends sofas.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"God forbid anyone here becomes homeless... Stats say that you are 3 paychecks from becoming homeless...

Homeless non priority and prob ended up in a hostel or shared private housing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so did that answer your OP?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so did that answer your OP?"

yes, even though it is the Telegraph, it did

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

plenty of them in idderminster and in birmingham too!,i know they are rumanian because when i asked "where are you from?" they replied "romania!"

seem to be coining it in with all the benefits thrown at them they do!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always tell 'em I don't want one anyway so it don't matter to me if they they can understand me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Mind you, ALL the benefits and magazine sales of ALL the Romanian and Bulgarian B.I. sellers in the UK combined won't match the bonus paid to Fred Goodwin at RBS or Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock as reward for screwing up.

But two wrongs don't make a right.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

"Mind you, ALL the benefits and magazine sales of ALL the Romanian and Bulgarian B.I. sellers in the UK combined won't match the bonus paid to Fred Goodwin at RBS or Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock as reward for screwing up.

But two wrongs don't make a right."

correct!.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Does it matter? People that tend to sell the Big Issue are usually in, or trying to escape from a pretty desperate place. Surely their nationality is irrelevent.

I await the inevitable "not even proper homelss, living a big flash house etc etc" post with a sense of resigned inevitability..."

you forgot FLATSCREEN TV'S

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"plenty of them in idderminster and in birmingham too!,i know they are rumanian because when i asked "where are you from?" they replied "romania!"

seem to be coining it in with all the benefits thrown at them they do!."

they arent eligible for benefits which is why they are selling the big issue

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you forgot FLATSCREEN TV'S

Do people still say "flatscreen TVs"? It's a bit like saying the radio a wireless these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

n Ipads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

they arent eligible for benefits which is why they are selling the big issue

But today a court has ruled that by selling the BI they are classed as self-employed and are therefore entitled to apply for housing and income support benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes i saw that in the express, hubby was telling me about it.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

they arent eligible for benefits which is why they are selling the big issue

But today a court has ruled that by selling the BI they are classed as self-employed and are therefore entitled to apply for housing and income support benefits. "

EXACTLY!.

they are bloody coining it in!.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

so we moan about people sitting on there arses doing nothing then some moan because people are trying to do something with their life.

We have a big issue seller her and she is there in all bloody weathers, good luck to her

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"so we moan about people sitting on there arses doing nothing then some moan because people are trying to do something with their life.

We have a big issue seller her and she is there in all bloody weathers, good luck to her"

exactly, standing still in the freezing cold is not one they do to enjoy themselves.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But today a court has ruled that by selling the BI they are classed as self-employed and are therefore entitled to apply for housing and income support benefits. "

Purely coincidentally on the same day you started a thread about it!yet you didn't mention the court ruling in your OP. I wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't buy the big issue because we can't afford to.

We are big believers in charity begins at home.

Recently, two of our children have made steps to fly the nest, one has got her own place, the other is moving into a new home in the next few weeks.

Both have been raised with good work ethics and attitudes and both work hard for a living.

Neither of them scrounged dole or claimed benefits after leaving school as they had jobs before they left the education system, not unlike most of their school who went straight to the DHSS to see what they could get on benefits.

We couldn't be prouder of them.

Maybe if the dolies got out of bed before 2.00pm and started selling the big issue to get a foot on the employment ladder, they wouldn't have to moan about Johnny Foriegner stealing work and wages and get Britain great again.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I have had to take the Guardian article off....Admin don't mind you posting a link to it and even pasting a bit of it, but they would rather the whole article wasn't on the forums.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But today a court has ruled that by selling the BI they are classed as self-employed and are therefore entitled to apply for housing and income support benefits.

Purely coincidentally on the same day you started a thread about it!yet you didn't mention the court ruling in your OP. I wonder why?"

Because I found out about today's case as I googled the search that brought up the Telegraph article I quoted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From everyone's favourite rag (today's).....

"As a Romanian immigrant living in the UK, Big Issue seller Firuta Vasile already qualified for more than £25,500 a year in benefits.

But one state handout she wasn’t entitled to was housing benefit. Until now.

Yesterday the 27-year-old mother of four was celebrating having won the extra payout – worth at least £2,600 a year – after her local council was over-ruled by a judge."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so we moan about people sitting on there arses doing nothing then some moan because people are trying to do something with their life.

We have a big issue seller her and she is there in all bloody weathers, good luck to her

exactly, standing still in the freezing cold is not one they do to enjoy themselves....."

Was thinking that all the way through reading this thread. Glad someone had mentioned it before I got to the end.

Right or wrong, its fookin freezing and I wouldnt want to stand outside for hours selling it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have had to take the Guardian article off....Admin don't mind you posting a link to it and even pasting a bit of it, but they would rather the whole article wasn't on the forums."

Fair enough.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8527950/Romanian-families-use-Big-Issue-loophole.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would prefer the Daily Mails version as I value there unbiassed reporting on our european friends

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Would prefer the Daily Mails version as I value there unbiassed reporting on our european friends"

I have the "Tea and Kittens" plugin on my browser so if I click a link that takes me to the Daily Fail it gets replaced with a lovely picture of a cup of tea and cute kitten.

I detest the Mail. The Telegraph has some bonkers right wing columnists but sometimes even a broken clock tells the correct time.

Like as I said earlier, the biggest leeches of public money generally live in Knightsbridge and are called Tarquin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bomb the Tarquins too

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