FabSwingers.com forum: Should schools be divided by gender?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday as it would a more effective way of learning as both genders could concentrate more, whats your view? I think there are some schools like that, how is it going for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new "

Some still are. Like everything there are advantages and disadvantages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All girls schools used to top the league tables. They were all selective grammar schools though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both genders, I thought there was 72 genders now ?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see the relevance with concentration levels... However, today's kids are tomorrow's workforce and sending them out into the workplace with little no no experience of mixing with the opposite gender would have a detrimental effect in my view?

As the days of miners and secretarial pools are long since gone.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex. "

Can't say I've ever been awkward around the opposite sex so that's rubbish. It's not like school is the only place you mix with people!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was at school there was loads of single sex schools in the city I live in including the one I went to. However now there is only one so there must be a reason why we don't have as many anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society. "

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society.

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes? "

I don't think there's any truth in this. I went to an all girls school and I don't have any difficulty interacting with men. I don't feel I was disadvantaged in any way by going to an all girls school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other."

That's a bit dramatic! They're at school for 6 hours a day. That's hardly being locked away from those of the opposite sex!! There is life away from school and I don't think it harms the learning experience to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes? "

Sexism and misogyny for a start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

Sexism and misogyny for a start. "

So are you saying only Boys schools are a problem then? Sexism and misogyny are prevalent regardless of whether you went to a mixed sex school or not. Like I said I went to an all girls school and it hasn't disadvantaged me in any way.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex.

Can't say I've ever been awkward around the opposite sex so that's rubbish. It's not like school is the only place you mix with people!!"

There are always exceptions to the rule and it is a place where we spend a lot of our time as kids. But as I said I never went to a single sex school so I wouldn't know, it was an assumption so I may well be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society.

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

I went to an all girl grammar school. I have no hang ups or lack of social skills with gender nor society. I liked the lack of distraction of having boys around while I was trying to learn. When I went home, boys were part of my social group. Not interacting with them on an educational level, didn't change how I mixed socially.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex.

Can't say I've ever been awkward around the opposite sex so that's rubbish. It's not like school is the only place you mix with people!!

you are wrong!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

Sexism and misogyny for a start.

I'm saying that in the single sex school these attitudes are more likely to remain unchallenged on a constant basis as it would be in a mixed school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not."

I really don't think this is as much of a problem as everybody thinks it is. It's done me no harm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not.

I really don't think this is as much of a problem as everybody thinks it is. It's done me no harm. "

Hehe. Maybe single female schools are a good idea but not male ones?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not.

I really don't think this is as much of a problem as everybody thinks it is. It's done me no harm.

Hehe. Maybe single female schools are a good idea but not male ones? "

I think that's going down males to be honest. Like I said there are very few single sex schools now anyway I can't imagine that somebody is going to be misogynistic or sexist simply because of the school they went to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to a mixed school. I was never distracted by the boys in my class. The girls were the ones who talked too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society.

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

I would agree with this entirely. Some of the girls that I knew that went to a mixed school used to complain about the way the boys in their class were much less mature and would often be a distraction in lessons by messing about. I was grateful not to have to worry about the boy I fancied seeing me with a hideous spot on my face that I couldn't cover up with make up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday as it would a more effective way of learning as both genders could concentrate more, whats your view? I think there are some schools like that, how is it going for them?"

Who are, we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not.

I really don't think this is as much of a problem as everybody thinks it is. It's done me no harm.

Hehe. Maybe single female schools are a good idea but not male ones?

I think that it's been proven that it's not a good thing by their scarcity in modern times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not segregate by ability too while we are at it....

Oh wait... Eton, Harrow...

This is not a good idea

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex.

Can't say I've ever been awkward around the opposite sex so that's rubbish. It's not like school is the only place you mix with people!!

you are wrong!

I thought we had already established this the othet day

But a dont see what benefits a single sex school has over a mixed school. In a well managed school every one should be achieving their potential.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not segregate by ability too while we are at it....

Oh wait... Eton, Harrow...

This is not a good idea"

My school did that for the core subjects. They still did for Maths at all ages in the school I worked in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both genders, I thought there was 72 genders now ?!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not segregate by ability too while we are at it....

Oh wait... Eton, Harrow...

This is not a good idea

My school did that for the core subjects. They still did for Maths at all ages in the school I worked in. "

Within the school I don't have a problem with... there has to be an aspirational aspect to this.... but separate schools for different abilities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't think they should be devided. I Dont know for sure as I went to a mixed school but probably make for adults that are awarkward around the opposite sex.

Can't say I've ever been awkward around the opposite sex so that's rubbish. It's not like school is the only place you mix with people!!

you are wrong!

I thought we had already established this the othet day

But a dont see what benefits a single sex school has over a mixed school. In a well managed school every one should be achieving their potential. "

I think there are benefits and disadvantages of both.

I just fundamentally disagree with the fact that going to a single sex school disadvantages you in the way you interact or your perception of the opposite sex.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society.

In what way would it reinforce stereotypes?

These days he wont notice the spot, he'd be too engrossed in his phone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my day school where separated into boys and girls. That left me with no fucking clue about girls and terrified to talk to them. How is that an improvement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my day school where separated into boys and girls. That left me with no fucking clue about girls and terrified to talk to them. How is that an improvement?"

I know plenty of men that went to mixed schools still have no idea how to talk to women and are still terrified of Us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not segregate by ability too while we are at it....

Oh wait... Eton, Harrow...

This is not a good idea

My school did that for the core subjects. They still did for Maths at all ages in the school I worked in.

Within the school I don't have a problem with... there has to be an aspirational aspect to this.... but separate schools for different abilities?"

I thought Eton was a place for rich kids, regardless of ability.

The royal went there and none took Maths, English or Science at A level.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"Why not segregate by ability too while we are at it....

Oh wait... Eton, Harrow...

This is not a good idea

My school did that for the core subjects. They still did for Maths at all ages in the school I worked in.

Within the school I don't have a problem with... there has to be an aspirational aspect to this.... but separate schools for different abilities?

I thought Eton was a place for rich kids, regardless of ability.

The royal went there and none took Maths, English or Science at A level. "

If my family had that amount of money I wouldn't have bothered with studying either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way in Hell would I send my children to a one sex school. I want them to learn to socialise effectively and honestly.

I'd rather that than straight A's across the board.

Personally I think it's cruel to keep them locked away from each other.

I don't think so. My youngest son's best friends are girls in his class. Outside of school he's busy with homework, home time, sports and relaxing.

Personally I view it as damaging to development, dramatic or not.

I really don't think this is as much of a problem as everybody thinks it is. It's done me no harm. "

That you're aware of

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I went to an all girls school. I think its a great idea. Nobody cared if you were good at maths or science, nobody needed to play stupid in case the boys didn't like them for being cleverer than they were.

Amazingly we socialised with boys outside of school, some of us even had brothers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went to an all girls school. I think its a great idea. Nobody cared if you were good at maths or science, nobody needed to play stupid in case the boys didn't like them for being cleverer than they were.

Amazingly we socialised with boys outside of school, some of us even had brothers

I think boys at school avoided me because I was more clever than them all.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

Quite simply I don’t see a need for it.

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan
over a year ago

Seen in far off places

Assessed, graded and divided by intellect and demographic maybe?...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Assessed, graded and divided by intellect and demographic maybe?..."

They already are. Demographic maybe not officially but there are parents who can afford to move and those that can't.

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan
over a year ago

Seen in far off places

"Assessed, graded and divided by intellect and demographic maybe?...

They already are. Demographic maybe not officially but there are parents who can afford to move and those that can't."

Ah yes, I guess so - I remember Katie Hopkins once saying;

"For me, there are certain names that I hear and I think 'urgh.'

For me, a name is a shortcut of finding out what class a child comes from and makes me ask: 'Do I want my children to play with them?"

...Classic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're called convent schools ain't they?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

Think about it, if your school plays rugby and Hockey, and you had to play my school in Rugby we would have twice the number of players to pick from. If you had to play my sisters school in Hockey she would have twice the players.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK."

You're making it into a competition though, life isn't about who is the smartest and strongest. Well... for some it is I guess, I pity those people.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK.

You're making it into a competition though, life isn't about who is the smartest and strongest. Well... for some it is I guess, I pity those people."

Education is a competition. If it wasn't we wouldn't have school league tables based on exam results.

You need to have the best education you can get it enriches your life. Most parents aren't able to provide that on their own so schools have to give the basics for us to build on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK.

You're making it into a competition though, life isn't about who is the smartest and strongest. Well... for some it is I guess, I pity those people.

Education is a competition. If it wasn't we wouldn't have school league tables based on exam results.

You need to have the best education you can get it enriches your life. Most parents aren't able to provide that on their own so schools have to give the basics for us to build on. "

In your opinion. I don't view things the same way.

For me it's more important my children are taught how to be human, treat others with respect, manage their emotions, communicate freely, grow in confidence, be there for others, listening, caring and considerate, work as a team, manage themselves and their emotional stability.

There are League tables and private schools and I don't like it for the very reasons you point out. People who have... leaping ahead of those who have not, based on finances alone.

Thankfully it's no marker as to what kind of a person we are.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK.

You're making it into a competition though, life isn't about who is the smartest and strongest. Well... for some it is I guess, I pity those people.

Education is a competition. If it wasn't we wouldn't have school league tables based on exam results.

You need to have the best education you can get it enriches your life. Most parents aren't able to provide that on their own so schools have to give the basics for us to build on.

In your opinion. I don't view things the same way.

There are League tables and private schools and I don't like it for the very reasons you point out. People who have... leaping ahead of those who have not, based on finances alone.

Thankfully it's no marker as to what kind of a person we are.

I think the things you describe are a parents responsibility. I wanted my children to learn the things I couldn't teach them at school and I wanted them to learn it from the best teachers. Unfortunately we didn't have the resources to do that and they both went to a school that needed a police presence most days and has now installed metal detectors to prevent knife crime. Luckily we were able to teach them good values at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone in my family went to single gender schools. They were the best schools in the area.

To this day all the top schools are still single gender schools.

For example the best girls grades come from girls schools, the best female sports teams come from girls schools.

I think pretending the world is gender neutral is stupid. As long as men and women dont compete in the same sports together in the olympics then gender seperate schools are a good idea to me.

Also I am Irish in Ireland, I dunno how it works in UK.

You're making it into a competition though, life isn't about who is the smartest and strongest. Well... for some it is I guess, I pity those people.

Education is a competition. If it wasn't we wouldn't have school league tables based on exam results.

You need to have the best education you can get it enriches your life. Most parents aren't able to provide that on their own so schools have to give the basics for us to build on.

In your opinion. I don't view things the same way.

There are League tables and private schools and I don't like it for the very reasons you point out. People who have... leaping ahead of those who have not, based on finances alone.

Thankfully it's no marker as to what kind of a person we are.

You're right, but they also need putting into practice. In an environment that closely matches the real world they'll be moving into. I think a single sex school has it's positives, but they're outweighed by the negatives and I wouldn't even consider it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I agree but I'm not sure schools resemble the world we move in to when we leave. All worlds are real while we live in them.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

I've got a friend who went to an all boys school. He messed his a levels up because he went to a mixed sixth form and was suddenly surrounded by girls.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

I went to a girls school, and look how I turned out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree but I'm not sure schools resemble the world we move in to when we leave. All worlds are real while we live in them."

You're right, it's not the real world.. but it's closer than a one gender one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree but I'm not sure schools resemble the world we move in to when we leave. All worlds are real while we live in them.

You're right, it's not the real world.. but it's closer than a one gender one."

Unless you work in education careing or stem where they are basicaly one gender.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Amazingly we socialised with boys outside of school, some of us even had brothers

Agree with this, I went to an all girls grammar school and loved it and yes, I also mixed with boys outside of school, but I did find it easier to study without boys as a distraction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All girls, all boys or mixed. I don't think it matters. I personally went to an all boys prep and Grammar school. I just think kids would do better with a tad more discipline in schools and at home. Kuds do not have the level of respect that used to be instilled in years gone by. Loads of factors have contributed to that but i think it is a big factor. Not the only one of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All girls, all boys or mixed. I don't think it matters. I personally went to an all boys prep and Grammar school. I just think kids would do better with a tad more discipline in schools and at home. Kuds do not have the level of respect that used to be instilled in years gone by. Loads of factors have contributed to that but i think it is a big factor. Not the only one of course. "

I hear that a lot, I don't see many people giving kids or teenagers much respect either. It's something earned, not taken for granted. A lot of people in positions of responsibility don't deserve the respect they think they're entitled to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute."

Only if he's wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute.

Only if he's wrong "

I'm never wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute.

Only if he's wrong "

Is your shadow always a he?

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over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute.

Only if he's wrong

Is your shadow always a he?"

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd argue with your own shadow! Parents are shitter these days with regard to instilling values in their children. As i said though, not the only factor. Many societal factors contribute.

Only if he's wrong

Is your shadow always a he?

Yes. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely one of the main benefits of education is mixing with people from all different backgrounds? Can't imagine why anyone would want to cut that in half by ensuring their child only spends time at school with the same gender

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth

First of all the subject thought in school need changing and should be more focus on personal development, sense of purpose, financial, sex, socialising and the list goes on instead 12+ years of maths without focus and pupils come out of school hating it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Surely one of the main benefits of education is mixing with people from all different backgrounds? Can't imagine why anyone would want to cut that in half by ensuring their child only spends time at school with the same gender"

one of the benefits of my education was that I mixed with people from very different backgrounds to mine. The experience wasn't halved just because there were no boys there.

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over a year ago

"First of all the subject thought in school need changing and should be more focus on personal development, sense of purpose, financial, sex, socialising and the list goes on instead 12+ years of maths without focus and pupils come out of school hating it."

The curriculum, in Wales at least, is changing soon & will place a lot more focus on development as citizens etc. A step in the right direction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

one of the benefits of my education was that I mixed with people from very different backgrounds to mine. The experience wasn't halved just because there were no boys there."

It kind of was because whatever different backgrounds you mixed with were all girls? Mixing with people of both genders from all different backgrounds greatly enhances that

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

one of the benefits of my education was that I mixed with people from very different backgrounds to mine. The experience wasn't halved just because there were no boys there.

It kind of was because whatever different backgrounds you mixed with were all girls? Mixing with people of both genders from all different backgrounds greatly enhances that"

you're suggesting that girls alone can't represent different backgrounds?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I genuinely don't want the state to be responsible for teaching children about socialising, sex, sense of purpose etc. I think that's an extremely bad idea with possibilities for churning out kids incapable of independent thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

one of the benefits of my education was that I mixed with people from very different backgrounds to mine. The experience wasn't halved just because there were no boys there.

It kind of was because whatever different backgrounds you mixed with were all girls? Mixing with people of both genders from all different backgrounds greatly enhances that

you're suggesting that girls alone can't represent different backgrounds? "

No, I'm not. I'm suggesting that boys & girls from the same backgrounds are different. So you had experiences with girls from certain backgrounds, but if there were also boys there from those backgrounds you would've had a more diverse experience

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth

Schools shouldn't be divided by gender however there should be options for those parent who prefer all boys or girls school.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

one of the benefits of my education was that I mixed with people from very different backgrounds to mine. The experience wasn't halved just because there were no boys there.

It kind of was because whatever different backgrounds you mixed with were all girls? Mixing with people of both genders from all different backgrounds greatly enhances that

you're suggesting that girls alone can't represent different backgrounds?

That's true but I don't think my experience of different backgrounds was halved. I socialised with my friends from school and their families, I met their brothers and their fathers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Schools shouldn't be divided by gender however there should be options for those parent who prefer all boys or girls school."

There is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couple of mentions of changing what taught and focus more on socializing etc. How about you stop pandering to leftist bollocks. Then kids might be able to grow up with a back bone and a proper education. Retarded some suggestions

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i went to an all boys good..... the all girls school was just around the corner!

funny enough they used to mix for 6th form and for certain subjects from GCSE so it wasn't like we were all caged up... although their school was nicknamed "Scrubs" because of the razor wire on the their school fence/wall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couple of mentions of changing what taught and focus more on socializing etc. How about you stop pandering to leftist bollocks. Then kids might be able to grow up with a back bone and a proper education. Retarded some suggestions

That explains some children's attitude I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That explains some children's attitude I guess

Well when some kids are told boys can have periods too. The school system is up the shitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That explains some children's attitude I guess

Well when some kids are told boys can have periods too. The school system is up the shitter. "

Who is telling them that on this thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That explains some children's attitude I guess

Well when some kids are told boys can have periods too. The school system is up the shitter.

Who is telling them that on this thread?"

I think you've misunderstood the leftist bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure that is even leftist bollocks. It's just ling term strategy to help children turn into better rounded individuals.

What's the point in learning Pythagorean Theory or Partical Physics if you want to be a Historian?

At least those other subjects listed are useful to everyone.

Learning how to use a Credit Rating and why it's important. Paying your bills on time, Pensions, mortgages, ironing, washing, proper sex education. Is that Left? Or just sensible?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I'm not sure that is even leftist bollocks. It's just ling term strategy to help children turn into better rounded individuals.

What's the point in learning Pythagorean Theory or Partical Physics if you want to be a Historian?

At least those other subjects listed are useful to everyone.

Learning how to use a Credit Rating and why it's important. Paying your bills on time, Pensions, mortgages, ironing, washing, proper sex education. Is that Left? Or just sensible?"

I totally agree with learning about credit rating , paying bills on time , ironing , washing and so on . But ones interpretation of proper sex education is a moot subject .

If and when my eleven year old stepson comes home to tell me that boys can have periods too then I’m not even going there . Plenty of people will say that this is the proper way to teach , I beg to differ . What we are doing is putting thoughts into children’s heads that don’t need to be put there . 99.9 % of kids his age are just coming to terms with their own body , changes like pubes , underarm hair , spots , voice changing etc.... and then someone comes along and says that some girls who are transitioning to become boys will have periods so that’s why there are sanitary product bins in the boys toilets . Not quite that some boys will have periods , far more complicated for a young mind . Not to mention that there are up to 72 genders now and it must be incredibly dull to just be a cis boy or girl these days !

That’s what worries me these days , the perception in a mind so young that with so much variety out there , to be normal would be boring !

So back on topic , segregation at school isn’t a good idea in my opinion . Eventually we would need 72 different types of school if we were gonna do it properly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure that is even leftist bollocks. It's just ling term strategy to help children turn into better rounded individuals.

What's the point in learning Pythagorean Theory or Partical Physics if you want to be a Historian?

At least those other subjects listed are useful to everyone.

Learning how to use a Credit Rating and why it's important. Paying your bills on time, Pensions, mortgages, ironing, washing, proper sex education. Is that Left? Or just sensible?

I totally agree with learning about credit rating , paying bills on time , ironing , washing and so on . But ones interpretation of proper sex education is a moot subject .

That’s what worries me these days , the perception in a mind so young that with so much variety out there , to be normal would be boring !

So back on topic , segregation at school isn’t a good idea in my opinion . Eventually we would need 72 different types of school if we were gonna do it properly

The only reason "boy periods" was brought up was an angry stab at all the positives you just mentioned.. Apparently it's Leftist Bollocks.

Nobody suggested teaching boys they can have periods. Just a bad, sarcastic reaction to a sensible post.

By proper sex ed, all I meant was teaching them to respect themselves and each other. Nothing too deep into changing gender, but sexuality is important. Teaching kids not to use "Gay" As an insult. So the ones who are, or think they may be, don't work themselves up in knots about not being straight.

Agreed, back to topic in hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't be assed anymore. Below is an snippet from an article in The Times, from Dec 2018.

"Teachers are being encouraged to tell primary school children that boys can have periods to avoid upsetting transgender pupils.

Advice on sex education lessons issued by a local authority states that teachers should discuss menstruation in a way that is inclusive of all genders.

The guidance, published by Brighton and Hove city council, on which Labour is the largest party with minority control, was criticised as sacrificing clear information for girls in favour of political correctness.

It states: “Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods.”"

I did say anyone on tbe thread said it. It is also happening in Australia.

As for mathematics. Tomorrow, just for shits snd giggles, from the moment you wake until you go to bed. Look around you, look at the things you use, rely on, take for granted. Have a look and see what is possible as a result of mathematics.

Sure why don't we all just do women studies...that'll be useful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*i didn't say anyone on the thread said it*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion it's a bad thing.

It can only reinforce stereotypical attitudes and would be wrong for society as a whole.

School is not just for grades, it to help become citizens in society. "

Not sure I understand this ... myself and most of my family/friends went to single sex schools and none of us have any issues regarding the opposite sex or fitting into society! Not sure you can guess upon meeting a person whether they went to a single sex school or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some schools use the diamond method: starting off together, teenage years separated then back together for further/higher ed.

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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Kids should not be divided full stop !

....kinell

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Kids should not be divided full stop !

....kinell "

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*i didn't say anyone on the thread said it*"

Well, I have to say, I agree with you, based off that article, it's bullshit. I'm all for people being treated how they'd prefer to be treated. To teach boys they can have periods is utter PC nonsense. Whether that's a lefty view or not, I'm unsure. I'm a Liberal, but I don't support that.

I do think our children need to learn a little more about sexuality though. Also other important things that help develop confidence and practical life skills.

I do appreciate Maths is important, I'm not sure we need to test our kids into oblivion at such a young age though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It did me no real harm, But I think Co-Ed is a more balanced in the process of education

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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"Kids should not be divided full stop !

....kinell

Why not?"

Kids are a blank canvas, they only learn what we teach them .....guaranteed in 150 years time people will still be arguing over the same shit we are now ....it's about breaking the cycle

We are all the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*i didn't say anyone on the thread said it*"

Apologies for jumping down your throat, thought you were digging at my comments on a more rounded education. Easy done on a Forum. I'll hold my hands up when I'm wrong though.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Kids should not be divided full stop !

....kinell

Why not?

Kids are a blank canvas, they only learn what we teach them .....guaranteed in 150 years time people will still be arguing over the same shit we are now ....it's about breaking the cycle

We are all the same

We're not all the same. Kids are a blank canvass, but they all have different degrees of learning and so should be taught accordingly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my humble opinion, segregation is never a good thing.

As a matter of fact, when it comes to education, I strongly believe private schools should all be abolished, and every single school in the country should have equal funding.

They should also be free for every single person living in said institution’s country of origin.

Private donations to schools, monetary or otherwise, should also be abolished.

We will never be rid of inequality with a elitist educational system.

PS: By school, I mean any and all educational institution, ranging from nurseries to universities.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"*i didn't say anyone on the thread said it*

I do think our children need to learn a little more about sexuality though. Also other important things that help develop confidence and practical life skills.

I do appreciate Maths is important, I'm not sure we need to test our kids into oblivion at such a young age though. "

Bloody hell , when I quoted the same article I was proper pilloried by a few posters !

Hey ho .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my humble opinion, segregation is never a good thing.

As a matter of fact, when it comes to education, I strongly believe private schools should all be abolished, and every single school in the country should have equal funding.

They should also be free for every single person living in said institution’s country of origin.

Private donations to schools, monetary or otherwise, should also be abolished.

We will never be rid of inequality with a elitist educational system.

PS: By school, I mean any and all educational institution, ranging from nurseries to universities.

Couldn't agree more

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"In my humble opinion, segregation is never a good thing.

As a matter of fact, when it comes to education, I strongly believe private schools should all be abolished, and every single school in the country should have equal funding.

They should also be free for every single person living in said institution’s country of origin.

Private donations to schools, monetary or otherwise, should also be abolished.

We will never be rid of inequality with a elitist educational system.

PS: By school, I mean any and all educational institution, ranging from nurseries to universities.

Although I respect your views , I can’t help but feel that so many well educated adults are that way because they were allowed to have a good education .

By that I mean private education which meant they weren’t spending half their life in classes full of kids who didn’t want to learn . It’s impossible for so many kids in the state education system to get a really good education for the very reason , coupled with the fact that the schools work to a very rigid and strict agenda which again persecutes the brighter kids .

So whether the private and grammar schools are mixed or segregated , I think there is a place for them .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my humble opinion, segregation is never a good thing.

As a matter of fact, when it comes to education, I strongly believe private schools should all be abolished, and every single school in the country should have equal funding.

They should also be free for every single person living in said institution’s country of origin.

Private donations to schools, monetary or otherwise, should also be abolished.

We will never be rid of inequality with a elitist educational system.

PS: By school, I mean any and all educational institution, ranging from nurseries to universities.

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

It still happens at grammar school level at some schools and then they can mix at 6th form level.

Some local ones have high exam results but no idea if it's linked to it as they tend to get the brightest talents so would get higher results

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I respect your views , I can’t help but feel that so many well educated adults are that way because they were allowed to have a good education .

So whether the private and grammar schools are mixed or segregated , I think there is a place for them ."

So you believe a child born to wealthy parents to be more worthy of a good education than one born to empoverished parents?

I’m pretty sure that if the children of the leaders of this country were forced to attend a mediocre school, the standard of mediocre would begin to change for the better.

Kind of like forcing every politician to live on minimum wage and having to pay their own expenses and living costs.

I would imagine the minimum wage would increase at a record rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I respect your views , I can’t help but feel that so many well educated adults are that way because they were allowed to have a good education .

So whether the private and grammar schools are mixed or segregated , I think there is a place for them .

So you believe a child born to wealthy parents to be more worthy of a good education than one born to empoverished parents?

I’m pretty sure that if the children of the leaders of this country were forced to attend a mediocre school, the standard of mediocre would begin to change for the better.

Kind of like forcing every politician to live on minimum wage and having to pay their own expenses and living costs.

I would imagine the minimum wage would increase at a record rate.

Anyone can send their child to any school ...

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I think we have to be born with grey matter to excel at school. Children from affluent parents may go to a private school and have a very good education but won't necessarily succeed in a career, if they don't have the brain power. I came from a less affluent family and went to an all girls grammar school and had a great career.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we have to be born with grey matter to excel at school. Children from affluent parents may go to a private school and have a very good education but won't necessarily succeed in a career, if they don't have the brain power. I came from a less affluent family and went to an all girls grammar school and had a great career."

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over a year ago

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ... "

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

I think we'd all like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true, but children with “grey matter” as you put it, who are born in council estates are very often deprived of access to quality education, which then limits their ability to reach their full potential.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

If children want to learn, of course there should be equal access to all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True, the problem being that places in the very best schools can be bought. Once in that school/college/University friendships are made regardless of brain matter. Stupid people end up in positions of power based on who they know, not what they know. In some cases jobs are created especially for rich numb skulls.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

So I was born on a council estate, in a council flat and had some grey matter which won me a scholarship to a grammar school and thus I reached my full potential. I consider myself very lucky.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Although I respect your views , I can’t help but feel that so many well educated adults are that way because they were allowed to have a good education .

So whether the private and grammar schools are mixed or segregated , I think there is a place for them .

So you believe a child born to wealthy parents to be more worthy of a good education than one born to empoverished parents?

I’m pretty sure that if the children of the leaders of this country were forced to attend a mediocre school, the standard of mediocre would begin to change for the better.

Kind of like forcing every politician to live on minimum wage and having to pay their own expenses and living costs.

I would imagine the minimum wage would increase at a record rate.

We live in a democracy , and not a communist society . I strongly believe we all have the right to choose what we do with our money , and if that includes giving our children a better education than the state can offer , then yes .

You believe mediocracy would improve if the richer people had to send their kids to state schools , I don’t .

Nor do I believe we should be striving to bring the successful people in society down to a lower level . That’s not how it works I’m afraid . In your left wing idealistic world it may seem like a lovely idea but it simply doesn’t work . Venezuela is a pretty good example of why it doesn’t .

What is crazy is the fact that the super elite rich are getting richer , and the genuine impoverished are getting poorer . Like the statistic that richest 5% own 95% of the riches in the world . How the hell did that ever happen ? That’s capitalism at its worst , but I’ve gone way off tangent now on this thread .

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

this isn't just the fault of the education system. Parents play a huge part in their children's education, if they're behind their kids and support them in learning, continuing it at home and encouraging they will thrive. A teacher can only do so much.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Yes I'm sure they are.

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over a year ago

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

I totally get equality but unfortunately we are not and never be all equal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If children want to learn, of course there should be equal access to all

Would say that a 10yo born to a wealthy family has a greater thirst for knowledge than a 10yo born to a single mother who lives in a council flat and works at her local co-op 16h a week based entirely or their social status?

Or do you think that the latter has been conditioned to not do as well in school by having an environment that is less prosperous for intelectual development? Like for an example a poorly funded school amongst other things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with this totally

sometimes a child can be offered everything and be let down at home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

I totally get equality but unfortunately we are not and never be all equal

That’s where I disagree. We are all equal, made of the same matter. We all bleed and we all cry.

We just have different paths in life.

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over a year ago

If children want to learn, of course there should be equal access to all

Some of the most intelligent and successful people come from the most impoverished backgrounds ... there are many more factors to be considered than just education surely? The whole picture has to be looked at. It would be like saying that no-one from a private school becomes a drop out, I can assure that they do

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One type of schooling unfortunately doesn't suit all children ...

I agree, not everyone has the vocation to be a surgeon, or an engineer, or a cleaner, or a brick layer, etc

But their social status and/or financial mobility should not be the deciding factor as to which type of education fits each individual child.

What I was defending is equal access for all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, social status, etc.

I totally get equality but unfortunately we are not and never be all equal

That’s where I disagree. We are all equal, made of the same matter. We all bleed and we all cry.

We just have different paths in life."

Ah I disagree with you there ... you tell an 11yo born with an horrific illness facing death that we are all born equal. Regardless of background

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing I'll say about all of us on this thread, regardless of whether we're Far Left, Far Right or sat snugly on the Fence.

You all strike me as Good Parents who really give a fuck about your children and other children's welfare and wellbeing.

I tip my hat to all of you, how dare non-swingers assume we're unsafe to parent, teach, guide and protect the more vulnerable amongst us.

Nobody can say we don't care.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

I was lucky in that I had an extended family who encouraged me. I find it quiet sad that so many people expect children to be entirely educated by the state wanting the curriculum (drawn up by the state) to include social skills etc. I didn't want our children taught a government sanctioned version of social skills or values.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I have never heard of anyone who went to an all boys school or girls school, having trouble integrating into university or work because other gender is there. Never.

Maybe if they were 17 and changed school mid way, with all them hormones and the sudden change, but never heard of it being an issue in work or uni.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I have never heard of anyone who went to an all boys school or girls school, having trouble integrating into university or work because other gender is there. Never.

Maybe if they were 17 and changed school mid way, with all them hormones and the sudden change, but never heard of it being an issue in work or uni."

Its because school isn't 24/7 those of us who went to single sex schools mixed with the other sex outside of school. we weren't in purdah

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

If children want to learn, of course there should be equal access to all

Well I was that 10 year old in that council flat and had a great thirst for knowledge. Went to a local junior school and then to a grammar school, thanks to encouragement from my parents and a lot of hard work on my part

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I have never heard of anyone who went to an all boys school or girls school, having trouble integrating into university or work because other gender is there. Never.

Maybe if they were 17 and changed school mid way, with all them hormones and the sudden change, but never heard of it being an issue in work or uni.

Its because school isn't 24/7 those of us who went to single sex schools mixed with the other sex outside of school. we weren't in purdah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

Trust me. I'd rather itvwasntva requirement as well. Sad fact is, there are loads of people who pass through the education system.. private and public, who dont know how to behave decently. Fab being a Prime example of how badly things can go wrong. How many times must we assist men and women on how to achieve their sexual goals. When all it takes is knowing yourself and being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure this has been mentioned above, but if schools are single sex, how would they cope with the modern trend of young children deciding they no longer want to be whatever gender they were born with? I went to single sex school, and always wish I'd been to a mixed - the nearest girl's school was 20 miles away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure this has been mentioned above, but if schools are single sex, how would they cope with the modern trend of young children deciding they no longer want to be whatever gender they were born with? I went to single sex school, and always wish I'd been to a mixed - the nearest girl's school was 20 miles away."

That's the impression I get from people I've spoken to face to face who went to a single gender schools - they wish they hadn't. It seems cruel to deny a child that, even though you may have their best educational interests at heart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apart from jokes, I've never met anyone who minded going to a single sex school to be honest ... though we all talked about the advantages of mixed schooling lol We all seemed lucky to have mixed gender lives outside from school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn’t go to school much so I wouldn’t know

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting."

Are you saying that teaching respect and empathy should be the responsibility of the state? Do you think it's possible for the education system to override the values learned at home from watching family?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have direct experience of putting a child through single sex eductation and the result is an extremely well adjusted young adult who has no issues what so ever socialising, working with, and relating to either sex. Modern lives are so much more interconnected these days (social media, after school activities, wider social circles) that I don't see any sense of isolation that perhaps existed in previous eras.

Not every type of school suits every type of child and there is room for many types of education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You will find that modern single sex schools are no different to mixed schools and have very progressive policies in respect to LGBT pupils. I feel a lot of peoples' impressions are based on schools from 20, 30, years ago and things have changed massively.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to a single sex Grammar school. Although at that age, I was a bit shy of girls, I actually think that not having them there was good as they weren't a distraction. The flirting that went on was on the train to and from school with the local all girls school, which it amalgamated for my last year. I think there was a distinct rise in bad behaviour from that point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new "

We still have these around here.

The one that Helen Mirren went to is just along the road from me.

Personally, I think they should be banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new

We still have these around here.

The one that Helen Mirren went to is just along the road from me.

Personally, I think they should be banned."

Why do you think that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

No, I'm saying it should be done at home, but that doesn't seem to be working or happening in many homes. So yes, schools should be able to step in and reinforce that message. The education system is constantly having to step in and alter warped behaviour and attitudes. Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

Because it just isn't learned in a classroom. Its learned watching thier family interact.

Also there just isnt time for a school to teach a reasonable curriculum and then somehow undo 138 hours of observational learning at home each week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

Bringing up your children is not a school's responsibility, it's the parents. Educating your child is the school's responsibility and a lot struggle with this ... sometimes just due to a child's lack of upbringing! It's like ever decreasing circles ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

Because it just isn't learned in a classroom. Its learned watching thier family interact.

Also there just isnt time for a school to teach a reasonable curriculum and then somehow undo 138 hours of observational learning at home each week.

Like I said in another thread, I'm choosing not to engage with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

When so many parents are letting the side down, where is the harm in kids being taught good behaviour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new

We still have these around here.

The one that Helen Mirren went to is just along the road from me.

Personally, I think they should be banned.

Why do you think that? "

Because society isn't segregated by gender and so I feel that single sex schools teach our children the wrong message

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

I have problems with a state regulated set of values. Who would be responsible for agreeing what they should be, who would regulate them? How would we prevent the state from imposing values that went against our own as parents and who are we to say that our personal values are the right ones?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

Its all a bit Stalinist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I (Mr) went to two seperate secondary schools, one all boys and the other mixed.

I found I did not only better in school but also better with the ladies when I was in the all boys school. The only draw back to the all bits school was no half day on a Wednesday. Nothing worse to come home at 16:30 to find all your friends out playing football cause they've been off at since 12:45

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

When so many parents are letting the side down, where is the harm in kids being taught good behaviour? "

Because it would make school worse for the good kids, where would the extra time and money come from and where is the responsibility for your children? This is the "it's not my problem" culture showing through and making life more difficult for the responsible people!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

That's a daily battle already and not one we choose not to fight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grammar schools used to be divided by gender...

Its nothing new

We still have these around here.

The one that Helen Mirren went to is just along the road from me.

Personally, I think they should be banned.

Why do you think that?

Because society isn't segregated by gender and so I feel that single sex schools teach our children the wrong message "

But single sex education has very little baring on integration with others and has been proven over many years to get better grades especially with girls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about home schooling peeps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right! My mother was very brainy, but started her family young. She helped with my learning at home and encouraged and supported me throughout my career.

You may not like it, but I suspect... that for 50% of the users on here, that education is wanting.

When so many parents are letting the side down, where is the harm in kids being taught good behaviour?

Speaking as a responsible person, I'd prefer a well rounded, happier, safer, friendlier society and hold those values in equal regard to general educational ones. A lot of money would also be saved on social care if people stopped being such dicks all the time and treating others so appallingly, because that's what their parents taught them to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about home schooling peeps?

I did home school my son and he then went through college ... now 26 and went back now just finishing his 3rd year!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Its all a bit Stalinist "

Yep.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"What about home schooling peeps?

I'm not against it as such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all a bit Stalinist

Yep.

I concur

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about home schooling peeps?

I did home school my son and he then went through college ... now 26 and went back now just finishing his 3rd year! "

That's cool. From what i understand, pass rates are above that of public educated pupils.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about home schooling peeps?

I did home school my son and he then went through college ... now 26 and went back now just finishing his 3rd year!

That's cool. From what i understand, pass rates are above that of public educated pupils. "

Unis love home edded kids ... though sometimes I wonder when people take them out of state education so that the kids only have their own views about everthing. It's a bit like life ... can either be incredibly good or incredibly not Good!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about home schooling peeps?

I did home school my son and he then went through college ... now 26 and went back now just finishing his 3rd year! "

Wouldn't have worked for my daughter (We did 1 year) so she went to school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*i didn't say anyone on the thread said it*

Apologies for jumping down your throat, thought you were digging at my comments on a more rounded education. Easy done on a Forum. I'll hold my hands up when I'm wrong though."

No worries. I really appreciate that. It's refreshing and a testiment to your character.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about home schooling peeps?

I did home school my son and he then went through college ... now 26 and went back now just finishing his 3rd year!

That's cool. From what i understand, pass rates are above that of public educated pupils.

I can see how that could be the case. I think generally though, the intentions behind home schooling for many, are good ones.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think we have to be born with grey

Schools already have values that they try and teach children. When ours were at school it was that everyone has equal opportunities, competition is bad, blame was not to be attached to poor behaviour and we must all be kind to each other. The result of this was that when a particular kid hounded the life out of our son up to and including kicking him so hard that a perfect imprint of the sole of his shoe was left on his back they held an assembly telling the kids they must be kind.

When a similar incident happened at secondary school and our son took matters in to his own hands the principle asked to see us. We explained that we had told him that in life he had to stand up for himself and if someone threatened to knock him down he needed to knock them down first. Now you probably don't agree with that although the principle told us that privately he did, but when our son was threatened by three lads in the street they ran off after he put the biggest one on the deck.

The point I'm making is that in my opinion you can't expect schools to prepare your children for life. Thats a job for parents. People have always been arses and 10 to 12 years of schooling won't change it in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we have to be born with grey

Brilliantly put!

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By *opblokey2kMan
over a year ago

thetford

"When I was at school there was loads of single sex schools in the city I live in including the one I went to. However now there is only one so there must be a reason why we don't have as many anymore. "

It’s all about inclusion and equal opportunities. It’s not just schools. Scouting is the same. It used to be boys at scouts and girls in guides but then scouts began ‘allowing’ girls. Guides however do not, as far as I am a aware, allow boys. Given the gender fluid nature of our culture these days I would have thought it is only a matter of time.

Question is: is it a bad thing? Probably.

*Tom steps down from his soapbox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All a bit Stalinist? Whatever? I'm out of this conversation now, done debating when the tone is lowered so dramatically.

Maybe we should teach our children how to behave a little more kindly to one another, help prepare them for the real world problems most adults struggle with?

Commie scum

Nah, I'm done.

This is why everything's a bit fucked up, it's you and yours and fuck everyone else who isn't as fortunate. I'm alright Jack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to an all boys Grammar school. I also attended its prep dept. We had a set of school rules. Every boy was given a copy of these rules when first attending. I think i may still have them somewhere. Although it was a pain in the ass writing these out backwards in capital letters as a punishment at times. They were ingrained into us throughout school. They were a guide to conducting ourselves inside and outside of school. Both with regard to academia, sports and our own personal conduct toward others and ourselves. They have stuck with me. I still take pride in the values that have been instilled in me by my parents and school. I think that is one of the things i will always take away from school. It made me the man i am today. It instilled a set of values in me, that i think are priceless, with regard to their longevity and value for me and wider society. We never had problems interacting with girls either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went to an all boys Grammar school. I also attended its prep dept. We had a set of school rules. Every boy was given a copy of these rules when first attending. I think i may still have them somewhere. Although it was a pain in the ass writing these out backwards in capital letters as a punishment at times. They were ingrained into us throughout school. They were a guide to conducting ourselves inside and outside of school. Both with regard to academia, sports and our own personal conduct toward others and ourselves. They have stuck with me. I still take pride in the values that have been instilled in me by my parents and school. I think that is one of the things i will always take away from school. It made me the man i am today. It instilled a set of values in me, that i think are priceless, with regard to their longevity and value for me and wider society. We never had problems interacting with girls either.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"All a bit Stalinist? Whatever? I'm out of this conversation now, done debating when the tone is lowered so dramatically.

Maybe we should teach our children how to behave a little more kindly to one another, help prepare them for the real world problems most adults struggle with?

Commie scum

Nah, I'm done.

This is why everything's a bit fucked up, it's you and yours and fuck everyone else who isn't as fortunate. I'm alright Jack."

I think its a shame that you don't want to continue with a discussion that I find very interesting. Its useful to haves one's views challenged and although mine remain the same some of your comments have made me think about why I hold them.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I can see how your families values were reinforced by your school's, as mine were. I think school can have an influence on children in that they can see that their way of life isn't the only one.

We had to wear our hat all day, even for gym if we were caught outside in uniform without it and if we were caught eating in the street in uniform we got detention which involved emptying the waste paper baskets in the sixth form common room

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

I went to a all boys school and I strongly disagree with them still continuing. Children should interact with the other sex on a daily basis and in the same lessons. I would never send my child to a single sex school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some views are tarnished my people’s own experiences.

Single sex schools work as do co-Ed, there’s room for them all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have done a new thread we can continue on

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