FabSwingers.com forum: Why do we still strive for equality?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The term is outdated and discriminatory yet we still attach a positive connotation to it.

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

What is outdated about equality?

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over a year ago

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

We will never be completely equal simple really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is outdated about equality?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What is outdated about equality?"

It's oudated in the sense of how we use it.

More specifically when regarding to equal treatment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is outdated about equality?

It's oudated in the sense of how we use it.

More specifically when regarding to equal treatment."

I don't think it is outdated. However it (like a lot of other things) has had its meaning twisted and perverted in some cases to fit the agenda of others all in the name of equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends what you mean by equality.

I'd like a more equal society. Don't see why a top level footballer or singer can earn more than a Prime Minister. Don't see why people have to live in absolute poverty, whilst others get Mansions.

Wouldn't say that's an outdated or discriminatory view, maybe an unpopular one?

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

"What is outdated about equality?

It's oudated in the sense of how we use it.

More specifically when regarding to equal treatment."

Sorry, you'll have to explain that to me.

More specifically: how do you think we use it in a way that's outdated and regarding equal treatment?

Maybe I'm tipsy from after work while out of town drinks....but your comments dont make sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never understood what the purpose of the word equality really has in our existence

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can"

That's Socio-Economic equality

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

That's Socio-Economic equality"

You do release socio economic reflects pretty much everything right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

That's Socio-Economic equality

You do release socio economic reflects pretty much everything right?"

Yes

I'm very anti-capitalist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

That's Socio-Economic equality

You do release socio economic reflects pretty much everything right?

Yes

I'm very anti-capitalist. "
That's a very pretty way of saying it...

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds

Can it not be seen as everyone has an equal right to use the hospital building so making it accessible to all is equality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We live in a time where the dictionary definition of literally is now figuratively

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can"

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We live in a time where the dictionary definition of literally is now figuratively "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can it not be seen as everyone has an equal right to use the hospital building so making it accessible to all is equality? "

No, the latter is equity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access."

True, but that's assuming you're eligible for the loan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access.

True, but that's assuming you're eligible for the loan."

Everyone is eligible

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access.

True, but that's assuming you're eligible for the loan.

Everyone is eligible "

It's based on family income, so some people get less than the others.

That difference could be a deal breaker for some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access.

True, but that's assuming you're eligible for the loan.

Everyone is eligible

It's based on family income, so some people get less than the others.

That difference could be a deal breaker for some."

No its not.

Thats maintainence, tution fee loans are not means tested you can be the poorest or the richest and get them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for. "

Capitalism is the oposite of discriminatory.

The other end if the scale at communism is however responsible for the biggest massacres in history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for. "

Discriminatory to whom?

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Equality just means treat everyone fairly. Don't see a problem with it personally or that it's outdated.

Never believed the phrase 'life's not fair' should ever have been legitimate because it could be fair if some people allowed it to be.

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By *mber DextrousWoman
over a year ago

Devon

I don't think it's about treating everyone equally, that would imply you do the same for everyone. It's about putting everyone on a level playing field, which might mean different things for different people or groups. Don't think that's outdated at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?"

The 99%

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality just means treat everyone fairly. Don't see a problem with it personally or that it's outdated.

Never believed the phrase 'life's not fair' should ever have been legitimate because it could be fair if some people allowed it to be."

No, equity means treating everyone fairly, hence the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Equality is a very worthy cause but I don’t agree with when the pendulum swings into ‘positive’ discrimination-

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99% "

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"What is outdated about equality?

It's oudated in the sense of how we use it.

More specifically when regarding to equal treatment.

I don't think it is outdated. However it (like a lot of other things) has had its meaning twisted and perverted in some cases to fit the agenda of others all in the name of equality. "

It’s just a word, a bit like democracy, oh yeah, that’s outdated in the U.K. nowadays too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?"

Yes, but at what cost to the planet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think it's about treating everyone equally, that would imply you do the same for everyone. It's about putting everyone on a level playing field, which might mean different things for different people or groups. Don't think that's outdated at all."

It is, look up the definition if you like.

We're are using a wrong term for the thing we really want to achieve.

This creates a problem as the end goal can be then misunderstood and harmful to some groups of people, even though not intentionally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

Yes, but at what cost to the planet? "

Stop it then.

Get rid of your phone your electronics and all the other trappings of being rich and spoiled.

But that would be unpleasant for you so you wont

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London&Dublin

People use equality to get what they want but they don't yet have.

Use whatever term but at the end of the day, the loudest shouter get more attention. Survival of the fittest (or loudest).

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

Yes, but at what cost to the planet? "

The planet doesn't need to be saved, it will go through a cycle, make itself inhabitable to humans and pollution problem will be solved.

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By *mber DextrousWoman
over a year ago

Devon

It is, look up the definition if you like.

We're are using a wrong term for the thing we really want to achieve.

This creates a problem as the end goal can be then misunderstood and harmful to some groups of people, even though not intentionally."

I just did and it is the state of being equal, which I think is what I said. Not about giving everyone the same but about creating access so you end up in an equal position.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

Yes, but at what cost to the planet? "

That is hilarious!

what has the planet got to do with what we were talking about? The impact we have on the planet is a different conversation. Love how you tried to change the subject. Priceless!

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Equality just means treat everyone fairly. Don't see a problem with it personally or that it's outdated.

Never believed the phrase 'life's not fair' should ever have been legitimate because it could be fair if some people allowed it to be.

No, equity means treating everyone fairly, hence the thread."

Equity probably is a more valid word to use than equality, especially as it brings impartiality into the equation. Then again if you google impartiality the word equality is brought up, lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

Yes, but at what cost to the planet?

Stop it then.

Get rid of your phone your electronics and all the other trappings of being rich and spoiled.

But that would be unpleasant for you so you wont"

It's not about me is it? I am not a Society. If it were, I'd go live in a palm tree fortress paradise in Tahiti making sweet love to Sea Turtles FFS! Is tgat your counter argument to me not being a fan of Capitalism. "Don't do it then!" Have you ever tried escaping from it?

I'm not looking for a political scrap. So back off will you? Just attempting to understand OPs question like the rest of you.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"People use equality to get what they want but they don't yet have.

Use whatever term but at the end of the day, the loudest shouter get more attention. Survival of the fittest (or loudest)."

Survival of the fittest is a nazi term invented to justify killing off the disabled etc.

Darwin said "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It is, look up the definition if you like.

We're are using a wrong term for the thing we really want to achieve.

This creates a problem as the end goal can be then misunderstood and harmful to some groups of people, even though not intentionally.

I just did and it is the state of being equal, which I think is what I said. Not about giving everyone the same but about creating access so you end up in an equal position. "

You're just saying the same thing again and again.

Equal position is still unfair to some.

If you add position or opportunity after or before the word equal, it doesn't change its meaning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Capitalism is Discriminatory and Outdated. Equality is what we should all be Fighting for.

Discriminatory to whom?

The 99%

Do you realise that you are in the top 1% that has ever lived on tbe planet?

Yes, but at what cost to the planet?

Stop it then.

Get rid of your phone your electronics and all the other trappings of being rich and spoiled.

But that would be unpleasant for you so you wont

I'm not looking for a political scrap. So back off will you? Just attempting to understand OPs question like the rest of you."

None of what you are saying makes any sense. Time to head for the exit on this for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The term is outdated and discriminatory yet we still attach a positive connotation to it."

Why should guys be the only arseholes, pests, self entitled, posers... When women and couples tvs can be too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People use equality to get what they want but they don't yet have.

Use whatever term but at the end of the day, the loudest shouter get more attention. Survival of the fittest (or loudest).

Survival of the fittest is a nazi term invented to justify killing off the disabled etc.

Darwin said "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change.""

Quite correct. Many have misinterpreted the survival of the fittest's meaning.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"People use equality to get what they want but they don't yet have.

Use whatever term but at the end of the day, the loudest shouter get more attention. Survival of the fittest (or loudest).

Survival of the fittest is a nazi term invented to justify killing off the disabled etc.

Darwin said "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change."

Quite correct. Many have misinterpreted the survival of the fittest's meaning."

Seeing as the term explains evolution i am surprised that the nazi term is the most recognised one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People use equality to get what they want but they don't yet have.

Use whatever term but at the end of the day, the loudest shouter get more attention. Survival of the fittest (or loudest).

Survival of the fittest is a nazi term invented to justify killing off the disabled etc.

Darwin said "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change."

Quite correct. Many have misinterpreted the survival of the fittest's meaning.

Seeing as the term explains evolution i am surprised that the nazi term is the most recognised one."

It's a better sound-bite I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally."

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

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over a year ago

Marxists want sameness and call it "equality" and are willing to oppress and obliterate all differences to impose their arbitrary ideas of uniformity and conformity disregarding their will and self determination. One man's utopia is another's dystopia when it comes to forcing outcomes. Equality is not sameness. Equality is when everyone has equal opportunity and the freedom to exercise choice and preference.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite."

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Marxists want sameness and call it "equality" and are willing to oppress and obliterate all differences to impose their arbitrary ideas of uniformity and conformity disregarding their will and self determination. One man's utopia is another's dystopia when it comes to forcing outcomes. Equality is not sameness. Equality is when everyone has equal opportunity and the freedom to exercise choice and preference. "

Read the entire thread, you're just saying the same thing over and over again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker."

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal."

How so?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal.

How so?"

Someone who's born 'disabled' is at an disadvantage to someone who's not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal.

How so?"

Actually I kind of get where you're coming from.

I saw something once that said something along the lines of " to treat everyone equally means to treat everybody differently, as we all start from a different place"

I think I've quoted that wrong but it was basically saying that to treat everybody fairly you have to treat everybody differently depending on where they are in life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal.

How so?

Actually I kind of get where you're coming from.

I saw something once that said something along the lines of " to treat everyone equally means to treat everybody differently, as we all start from a different place"

I think I've quoted that wrong but it was basically saying that to treat everybody fairly you have to treat everybody differently depending on where they are in life. "

Yup, there is even a term for that, equity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation"

But it is achievable.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

Exactly - which contradicts your initial post where you claimed it was discriminatory. Which it just isn't. It is the complete opposite.

Treating everyone the same is discriminatory against people who are not born equal.

How so?

Someone who's born 'disabled' is at an disadvantage to someone who's not."

Like Stephen Hawking was?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

But it is achievable."

Should we forsake the exploration of our solar system for the sake of exploring a solar system that's millions of light years away?

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Ok, more seriously though, disabiliy is a good (maybe obvious) choice when pointing stuff out about equality.

So if someone is disadvantaged should we give them ability to be equal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equality is based on treating everyone equally.

For example a new NHS hospital is built, it has 7 stories and stair access to every floor but no elevator.

Everyone had equal opportunity to use the hospital but not everybody can.

Another example, University fees will be raised to 90,000 a year. Everyone has equal opportunity to go to university but not everybody can

University fees are paid by a loan you only pay back when you earn enough as a % university fees could be 10 trillion and anyone would still have access.

True, but that's assuming you're eligible for the loan.

Everyone is eligible

It's based on family income, so some people get less than the others.

That difference could be a deal breaker for some.

No its not.

Thats maintainence, tution fee loans are not means tested you can be the poorest or the richest and get them.

But a lower amount if you are richer and not always maintenance loans in all circumstances. So In a way they are means tested. Sorry as a mature full time uni student I just had to make that point ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

But it is achievable.

Should we forsake the exploration of our solar system for the sake of exploring a solar system that's millions of light years away?"

With enough money, equipment and expertise, both can be achieved simultaneously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the entire thread, you're just saying the same thing over and over again."

You keep saying equal opportunity but all your examples are of situations where less privileged cannot participate and you're using that to disparage the aim of equal opportunity. That is misguided! Equal opportunity means that no one is held back by unjust laws and have the freedom to WORK and achieve what they want. Equality does not mean you give everyone the exact same pay. If you do that then the people working harder are being treated unjustly. Again, that's 'sameness' not equality. You cannot control outcomes. For example when you mention cost of university...ok let's say everyone gets admitted regardless of status or economic circumstances. Will you then give everyone the same grade and qualifications regardless of their abilities and efforts? If you do, that's not equality. That's enforcement of uniformity. We all begin at different levels and in order to balance we may have to treat other differently. The poor may receive different treatment than the wealthy. The handicapped get special parking spaces. The underprivileged get special assistance. This is because treating everyone the same leads to inequality. Wanting everyone to be the same is not equality. Your definition of equality is the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok, more seriously though, disabiliy is a good (maybe obvious) choice when pointing stuff out about equality.

So if someone is disadvantaged should we give them ability to be equal? "

No, we should give them a fair opportunity to make the opportunity as leveled to everyone as possible. You can't make it perfect but you can do your best to make it fair.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

But it is achievable.

Should we forsake the exploration of our solar system for the sake of exploring a solar system that's millions of light years away?

With enough money, equipment and expertise, both can be achieved simultaneously."

We don't live in a perfect world with unlimited resources, therefore we should strive to make the best use of what we have.

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over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

But it is achievable.

Should we forsake the exploration of our solar system for the sake of exploring a solar system that's millions of light years away?

With enough money, equipment and expertise, both can be achieved simultaneously.

We don't live in a perfect world with unlimited resources, therefore we should strive to make the best use of what we have.

Enough, not unlimited. Problems are often easier to find than solutions.

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over a year ago

Read the entire thread, you're just saying the same thing over and over again.

My definition of equality is THE DEFINITION of equality.

Equality means equal.

Equity means fair.

Your definition of equality is arbitrary and not the actual definition.

I've given more than enough examples to explain what I mean by equality and equity and if you still fail to understand the difference then sorry but I'm unable to help you.

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over a year ago

"Egalitarianism is what you need if you wanna be a record breaker.

That's not achievable without genetic manipulation

But it is achievable.

Should we forsake the exploration of our solar system for the sake of exploring a solar system that's millions of light years away?

With enough money, equipment and expertise, both can be achieved simultaneously.

We don't live in a perfect world with unlimited resources, therefore we should strive to make the best use of what we have.

Enough, not unlimited. Problems are often easier to find than solutions."

If no one has or is willing to contribute those resources, they become useless to the point you're trying to make so I still can't see where you're going with this.

That's because for there to be a solution we first need a problem.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

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"Ok, more seriously though, disabiliy is a good (maybe obvious) choice when pointing stuff out about equality.

So if someone is disadvantaged should we give them ability to be equal?

No, we should give them a fair opportunity to make the opportunity as leveled to everyone as possible. You can't make it perfect but you can do your best to make it fair."

Ok, i'm physically disabled. Pretty confident i am more qualified than you in molecular biology. If we both applied for a job in that field i would get that job and you would not, despite being given the same opportunity to apply.

It's fair that we both got the chance to apply and it's fair that the one best able to contribute to that position got the job.

Now say i didn't have the means to get to the interview, no wheelchair, no money for transport, and you got the job, is that now fair?

I didn't get the equal opportunity to apply for that job. And it's the same for all things in life. The more disadvantaged you are then the less choices you have and the less opportunities.

Which is why we still strive for them, i am genuinely disabled and mostly housebound due to lack of resources, they are available just not to me because of my financial status. I haven't been given the same opportunities that someone able bodied already has. I used to be able bodied and did a lot more with my life than be stuck indoors wishing i had a wheelchair or mobiliy scooter.

So no it's not an outdated concept, finances are the biggest restrictor of opportunity in a capitalist society.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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We don't have an equal society but we can decide to implement rules that dictate terms for some aspects of our society, such as demands for sexual or other equality, on employment terms etc.

The UK has a monarch, which communicates that there are varied levels or grades of people.

In many respects, the ops proposition is somewhat backwards - inequality has progressively become outdated, with equal marriage and other changes

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over a year ago

"Ok, more seriously though, disabiliy is a good (maybe obvious) choice when pointing stuff out about equality.

So if someone is disadvantaged should we give them ability to be equal?

No, we should give them a fair opportunity to make the opportunity as leveled to everyone as possible. You can't make it perfect but you can do your best to make it fair.

It's fair that we both got the chance to apply and it's fair that the one best able to contribute to that position got the job.

Now say i didn't have the means to get to the interview, no wheelchair, no money for transport, and you got the job, is that now fair?

I didn't get the equal opportunity to apply for that job. And it's the same for all things in life. The more disadvantaged you are then the less choices you have and the less opportunities.

So no it's not an outdated concept, finances are the biggest restrictor of opportunity in a capitalist society."

I'll now portray your point in the equity term rather than equality term.

We both have the ability and means to go to universtiy to get the degree required for the job, we both have the means to attend the interview. We both had as fair of a chance as the other at getting the job but the only deciding factor at that point was the interview. For the sake of my point as it's about equity the interviewer was blindfolded and had no bias to either of us and chose the best person for the job simply from how we individually interacted with him.

That's equity.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

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Gonna go on about lack of resources again actually...

there are more empty homes than homeless people.

The queen could probably fit a fairamount of homeless people in her many homes.

So if we have the resources why are some not being given access to them?

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over a year ago

"Gonna go on about lack of resources again actually...

there are more empty homes than homeless people.

The queen could probably fit a fairamount of homeless people in her many homes.

So if we have the resources why are some not being given access to them?"

I still don't see what you're trying to prove here? How does that go against equity?