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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " Cp is always revenge and never a solution Teaching a nation's young that revenge is good would be a backward step I recommend some starwars for you x | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " Not at all. I despise the idea. Especially when it's a broken society that's usually led to the life of crime in the first place. It wouldn't deter anyone, history proves that. So you're only doing to make yourself and society feel better. Which is a bit sick if you ask me. Same goes for death penalty. Who are you to take another's life? Nobody should hold that power. Regardless of the crime. | |||
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"No. You would get sad bastards who get off on punishing teenagers applying for the jobs. The types of people who were bullied at school and want to feel empowered. " Victim blaming? | |||
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"No. You would get sad bastards who get off on punishing teenagers applying for the jobs. The types of people who were bullied at school and want to feel empowered. Victim blaming? " Hardly. No blame was assigned. | |||
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"No. You would get sad bastards who get off on punishing teenagers applying for the jobs. The types of people who were bullied at school and want to feel empowered. Victim blaming? " Lol no | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. " Colonic Penetration? | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " Read up on how Norway was so successful in preventing re offending that they closed two of the countries three prisons. They have some of the highest standard of prisons in Europe if not the world. They do NOT believe in CP. How Glasgow dragged itself out of the murder capital of Europe list in just five years by treating violent crime as a health and poverty issue. | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " CP has been proven not to stop crime. I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. | |||
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"Our penal and judicial system is a result of Victorian enlightenment. Up until Jeremy Bentham, punishment was aimed almost exclusively at the body (Foucault wrote extensively about this), but later changed focus and became a punishment of the mind. This then changed again to become rehabilitation rather than punishment. Punishing the body had very little effect - hence the change. It became an exhibition of state power, rather than a corrective measure. As somebody already said, if that worked, there would be no crime. Further, as class consciousness grew, state power became a wedge between the government and the people, something the government can ill afford. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, it has been proven many times that CP does not work. That's not to say the current paradigm does either, of course. " This. | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " Did it stop crime when it was given out? | |||
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"If you dont think CP works, go and visit Saudi Arabia. " Totally agree any regime that kills journalists who speak out should be commended to the world as a robust fair and practical solution to the human disease tsk idiotic | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. Colonic Penetration?" That as well. Good one.  | |||
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"I have always said. Take them.to court , if found guilty , without any doubt , take them.outside behind the courtroom and put them against a wall . Firing squad , No more overcrowded prisons , definately a deterrent there , " NO to killing them. | |||
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"Straight out of school, straight into the army for 4 yrs " Military school did me no harm. It will soon straighten them out. | |||
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"To take part in cp with a consenting partner who also enjoys it is one thing. To get off on inflicting pain on someone else who doesn't want it, even as a form of punishment is a bit disturbing. " This.. Not sure that someone's sexual fantasies is the right starting point for a debate on the subject.. Op on the military you are factually wrong in cp being a punishment in the manner your fantasies portray and your opinion is wrong in your idea that the military is the right place or means to prevent crime/punish offenders.. We have a justice system which has its faults and we have armed forces which have their own professional role.. | |||
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"Nope I think they should give parent/s time off to spend with their young I really do. I think the problem is lack of parenting. One-one quality time, to give them a sense of belonging and love and to teach them things. Similar to paternity leave I think it should be done a couple of times throughout their school life. Both or single parents understandably have to work, both myself and my husband do and we can't afford time off as we don't receive any form of help. We have only had 3 family holidays in 15 years. I am not talking about a family holiday, I am talking about a few days throughout their entire childhood and adolescence, which isn't a lot but it would be helpful and would atleast give the option and just put the conversation on the table that kids and parents need quality time. I don't think this is the whole solution but I think it would be a start. " Good starting point but some parents don't know how to parent they thing the box that has pictures moving on it called a TV to all normal people can teach the child right from wrong. Then you have the parents that don't say the same thing. This is real I am friends with the mother who has done her best to put her child back on the right path from a very young age. he was 12 when this happened I was round having coffee with another friend when in comes the son mum asks him to go & change & he swears at her she asks him to come to she said for swearing he wasn't going out to the meal planned with that in front of both mums friends he punishers her knocking her into me & the child runs off. Father comes in mum tells him & father said that's what boys do. There are other things as well & father undoes everything mum does let him get away with murder. I am sure he would if he did his father would cover for him. the child is now 1 step away from getting a community order what was asbos. Father says the police are picking on his son. I have seen the evil child breaking thing spraying penis around the area reported it & as I didn't take a picture of him doing it the police can only give a warning. So in some cases it is the parents or one of them that need to be told no your wrong & if he doesn't stop your face court along with the child. So yes family time is needed & parents that can't deal with the child give them the help so they know what to do. Before the child kills someone. The mum doesn't go out on her own now for fear of what will be said to her. She want her son to be taken to court & give him a shock that he has had his own way to long. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. " There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. " Do you have any evidence that that would reduce recidivism? | |||
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"To take part in cp with a consenting partner who also enjoys it is one thing. To get off on inflicting pain on someone else who doesn't want it, even as a form of punishment is a bit disturbing. This.. Not sure that someone's sexual fantasies is the right starting point for a debate on the subject.. Op on the military you are factually wrong in cp being a punishment in the manner your fantasies portray and your opinion is wrong in your idea that the military is the right place or means to prevent crime/punish offenders.. We have a justice system which has its faults and we have armed forces which have their own professional role.. " Sorry my Father was an RMP so I think I should know & as my best mates son has just had his passing out parade & they still Teach them CP. And who did they call on when the riots to aid the police in doing there job I believe it was the army & mainly the RMP's Royal Military Police. The role of the serviceperson is to up hold the law & do the duty of the Queen & her government. Plus man fire station when the fire service go on strike. The Military do more than fight in wars or bring peace to lands under the UN. They help with floods they have been know to dig snow blocked areas out. If you want to train as a VIP driver the Military does that. A good 90% of security staff have served in the forces. A number of Nurse & Doctors when they leave the force join the NHS staff. A number of prison officers are ex forces. If Marshall law was to be called who does it Not the police they back up the Army. | |||
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"To take part in cp with a consenting partner who also enjoys it is one thing. To get off on inflicting pain on someone else who doesn't want it, even as a form of punishment is a bit disturbing. This.. Not sure that someone's sexual fantasies is the right starting point for a debate on the subject.. Op on the military you are factually wrong in cp being a punishment in the manner your fantasies portray and your opinion is wrong in your idea that the military is the right place or means to prevent crime/punish offenders.. We have a justice system which has its faults and we have armed forces which have their own professional role.. Sorry my Father was an RMP so I think I should know & as my best mates son has just had his passing out parade & they still Teach them CP. And who did they call on when the riots to aid the police in doing there job I believe it was the army & mainly the RMP's Royal Military Police. The role of the serviceperson is to up hold the law & do the duty of the Queen & her government. Plus man fire station when the fire service go on strike. The Military do more than fight in wars or bring peace to lands under the UN. They help with floods they have been know to dig snow blocked areas out. If you want to train as a VIP driver the Military does that. A good 90% of security staff have served in the forces. A number of Nurse & Doctors when they leave the force join the NHS staff. A number of prison officers are ex forces. If Marshall law was to be called who does it Not the police they back up the Army. " I served just under 14 yrs, left as an acting Sgt and during that time has experience with guardrooms, training and on one occasion prisoner transfer to Colchester.. There is no teaching of Cp, nor is it condoned and military courts martial will testify to when beastings become abuse and worse.. I think your mixing up what you see as fantasy and your own sexual practises and an imperfect justice system which you feel may benefit from Cp.. It will not.. | |||
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"I have always said. Take them.to court , if found guilty , without any doubt , take them.outside behind the courtroom and put them against a wall . Firing squad" If found guilty of what? | |||
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" Do you have any evidence that that would reduce recidivism? " I can only say what one of my friends who is a prison officer. He is often told by repeat offenders to keep there bed warm as they are treated better in prison than at home & a good number do end up back in. | |||
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"I have always said. Take them.to court , if found guilty , without any doubt , take them.outside behind the courtroom and put them against a wall . Firing squad If found guilty of what? " Of whatever they are in court for ! Without a shadow of a doubt | |||
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"I have always said. Take them.to court , if found guilty , without any doubt , take them.outside behind the courtroom and put them against a wall . Firing squad If found guilty of what? " I agree found guilty of what? taking a loaf of bread. or punishing someone or murder. Firing squads aren't the answer even with the wost of the low lives. I would never want to see a death sentence to come back. No, it's wrong to even think about lining them up & killing them. That makes use no better than the Nazis or isis | |||
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"I have always said. Take them.to court , if found guilty , without any doubt , take them.outside behind the courtroom and put them against a wall . Firing squad If found guilty of what? Of whatever they are in court for ! Without a shadow of a doubt " Wow. You’re not only advocating for the death penalty, you want it for “whatever they are in court for”? Really? | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. Do you have any evidence that that would reduce recidivism? " Because that's not how prisons are run there's no evidence that it would. I'd suggest it would be more of a deterrent though. Some people don't appear to fear going to prison anymore. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. " This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind?" If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp " But unfortunately we don’t still in the dark ages, we live in a civilised society where basic human rights are still valued. So it’s not a cheek, it’s just basic human rights. Being incarcerated isn’t actually the fun and luxury the likes of the Daily Mail might like to suggest you know. Any desire for extremes like you suggest isn’t about justice, it’s about retribution, which has no place in a civilised justice system. The suggestion above that prison is like some sort of luxury hotel is nonsense. And they may well get three meals a day, but I’d doubt they are that much better than hospital food, given that the budget is around £2 per day per inmate. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp But unfortunately we don’t still in the dark ages, we live in a civilised society where basic human rights are still valued. So it’s not a cheek, it’s just basic human rights. Being incarcerated isn’t actually the fun and luxury the likes of the Daily Mail might like to suggest you know. Any desire for extremes like you suggest isn’t about justice, it’s about retribution, which has no place in a civilised justice system. The suggestion above that prison is like some sort of luxury hotel is nonsense. And they may well get three meals a day, but I’d doubt they are that much better than hospital food, given that the budget is around £2 per day per inmate." Would you like to come and explain retribution to a girl of 11 that’s been repeatedly abused her and not only sexually abused but abused emotionally and physically too. Would you like to sit with her while she has night terrors and wets the bed and tell her it’s ok ‘hes’ in prison having 3 nice meals a day warm and comfy while she’s living in a nightmare of trauma, sees marks on her skin still years later from what he did to her?. I couldnt give a toss how much it costs to feed them, he took her innocence her childhood which is her basic human right he has no right to any human rights. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp But unfortunately we don’t still in the dark ages, we live in a civilised society where basic human rights are still valued. So it’s not a cheek, it’s just basic human rights. Being incarcerated isn’t actually the fun and luxury the likes of the Daily Mail might like to suggest you know. Any desire for extremes like you suggest isn’t about justice, it’s about retribution, which has no place in a civilised justice system. The suggestion above that prison is like some sort of luxury hotel is nonsense. And they may well get three meals a day, but I’d doubt they are that much better than hospital food, given that the budget is around £2 per day per inmate. Would you like to come and explain retribution to a girl of 11 that’s been repeatedly abused her and not only sexually abused but abused emotionally and physically too. Would you like to sit with her while she has night terrors and wets the bed and tell her it’s ok ‘hes’ in prison having 3 nice meals a day warm and comfy while she’s living in a nightmare of trauma, sees marks on her skin still years later from what he did to her?. I couldnt give a toss how much it costs to feed them, he took her innocence her childhood which is her basic human right he has no right to any human rights. " Of course stuff like that is awful, but it will never change the fact that retribution has no place in a civilised justice system. I get that you don’t give a toss how much it costs to feed them, but I only mentioned that to counter the claim that prison food was some kind of luxury. There isn’t anything that can be done that will make things better for the victim, or undo what they went through. And that’s the trouble with universal human rights though - they are universal. But I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you think basic means and a bit of tv somehow make up for what a lifetime of incarceration actually involves. | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp But unfortunately we don’t still in the dark ages, we live in a civilised society where basic human rights are still valued. So it’s not a cheek, it’s just basic human rights. Being incarcerated isn’t actually the fun and luxury the likes of the Daily Mail might like to suggest you know. Any desire for extremes like you suggest isn’t about justice, it’s about retribution, which has no place in a civilised justice system. The suggestion above that prison is like some sort of luxury hotel is nonsense. And they may well get three meals a day, but I’d doubt they are that much better than hospital food, given that the budget is around £2 per day per inmate." £2.00 per day ????? When the kids at some schools get £1.57a day. Where is the justice in that | |||
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"I do believe that sentences should reflect the crime and should not run concurrently. How is it robbing a bank carries a longer sentence than beating a pensioner half to death, or for a r4pist? A custodial sentence should deprive the miscreant of their liberty. Also much of their luxury. I don't think a prison sentence carries the fear that it should. Prison should also educate and hopefully rehabilitate. The recidivism statistics are ridiculous. There is the problem prison is a luxury, TV radio carpeted celles & three meal that are better than hospital meals. Cut there luxury out & only let them have bed chair clothing & table basic stuff. & meals that are plain food & no 5 course meal at christmas. Also hopefully if they want they can rehabilitate & change there ways. This is absolute bullshit. You think a bit of radio or tv and carpet, and three meals a day equals “luxury”? Are you telling me that if you were in prison, not being able to go where you want, when you want, or see who you want when you want.... ...you’d be fine with that, because you were so busy enjoying the luxury of a bit of tv, a carpet and some basic meals? Are you out of your mind? If a man or woman takes the innocence of a child I think giving them 3 meal a day a bloody cheek to be honest. They deserve a concrete floor hole in the ground and nothing more. I see daily the effects in children of what people like this do and the trauma it leaves behind. I’m fully up for bringing back cp But unfortunately we don’t still in the dark ages, we live in a civilised society where basic human rights are still valued. So it’s not a cheek, it’s just basic human rights. Being incarcerated isn’t actually the fun and luxury the likes of the Daily Mail might like to suggest you know. Any desire for extremes like you suggest isn’t about justice, it’s about retribution, which has no place in a civilised justice system. The suggestion above that prison is like some sort of luxury hotel is nonsense. And they may well get three meals a day, but I’d doubt they are that much better than hospital food, given that the budget is around £2 per day per inmate. £2.00 per day ????? When the kids at some schools get £1.57a day. Where is the justice in that " I’m not sure what the point of your comparison is. Schools are only providing one meal a day, not three. And kids probably have smaller portions than adults. So yeah, one kids meal a day probably will work out a bit less than three adult meals a day. The point is the same though - that there is no way on God’s earth that inmates in prison are being fed meals that could reasonably be described as “luxury”. | |||
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"Crime rates Saudi vs uk per 1000. Saudi 3.88 Uk 109.96. Case closed. "You’re suggesting the U.K. should be more like Saudi when it comes to crime and punishment? If you are trying to show that the death penalty is an effective deterrent, could you talk a bit about the comparisons in crime between the US and the U.K.? | |||
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"Crime rates Saudi vs uk per 1000. Saudi 3.88 Uk 109.96. Case closed. "you trust the Saudi figures? It's a dictatorship with secret police and religious police on top of normal police and military walking the streets. The figures are much higher than that. | |||
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"OP you haven't a prayer mate. The do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and tell you it is all society's fault and CP isn't nice. They will ignore that we are in a rising tide of such crime or tell you again it wasn't the thugs fault. If said thug was desperate to get moneydue to circumstances beyond their control then stealing the lady's handbag might be expainable, but kickimg and beating her? Same as when we read of some old pensioner beaten up in their own home so they tell the intruders where the goodies (however few#~~~~) are. But all we have to do is cuddle this scum and everything will be ok. That's what you'll hear over and over." Oh calm down. It’s like just trotting our terms like “do goooders” automatically wins a debate. No-one is reducing the argument to “CP isn’t nice”. It’s just not the effective deterrent it’s made out to be. And no-one has said it wasn’t the fault of the person committing the crime. But there are definitely socio economic factors which make crime more likely. Opposing the DP or CP is not saying to cuddle anyone. So no, you probably won’t hear it over and over. | |||
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"OP you haven't a prayer mate. The do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and tell you it is all society's fault and CP isn't nice. They will ignore that we are in a rising tide of such crime or tell you again it wasn't the thugs fault. If said thug was desperate to get moneydue to circumstances beyond their control then stealing the lady's handbag might be expainable, but kickimg and beating her? Same as when we read of some old pensioner beaten up in their own home so they tell the intruders where the goodies (however few#~~~~) are. But all we have to do is cuddle this scum and everything will be ok. That's what you'll hear over and over. Oh calm down. It’s like just trotting our terms like “do goooders” automatically wins a debate. No-one is reducing the argument to “CP isn’t nice”. It’s just not the effective deterrent it’s made out to be. And no-one has said it wasn’t the fault of the person committing the crime. But there are definitely socio economic factors which make crime more likely. Opposing the DP or CP is not saying to cuddle anyone. So no, you probably won’t hear it over and over." Since when did "Doing Good" Become a bad thing  | |||
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"OP you haven't a prayer mate. The do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and tell you it is all society's fault and CP isn't nice. They will ignore that we are in a rising tide of such crime or tell you again it wasn't the thugs fault. If said thug was desperate to get moneydue to circumstances beyond their control then stealing the lady's handbag might be expainable, but kickimg and beating her? Same as when we read of some old pensioner beaten up in their own home so they tell the intruders where the goodies (however few#~~~~) are. But all we have to do is cuddle this scum and everything will be ok. That's what you'll hear over and over. Oh calm down. It’s like just trotting our terms like “do goooders” automatically wins a debate. No-one is reducing the argument to “CP isn’t nice”. It’s just not the effective deterrent it’s made out to be. And no-one has said it wasn’t the fault of the person committing the crime. But there are definitely socio economic factors which make crime more likely. Opposing the DP or CP is not saying to cuddle anyone. So no, you probably won’t hear it over and over. Since when did "Doing Good" Become a bad thing "Exactly. I’ve never understood that either. It’s like when people slag off ‘lefties’, as though traditionally “left” notions like fairness and equality are bad things. It’s kinda odd. | |||
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"Crime rates Saudi vs uk per 1000. Saudi 3.88 Uk 109.96. Case closed.
you trust the Saudi figures? It's a dictatorship with secret police and religious police on top of normal police and military walking the streets. The figures are much higher than that. "Let's see your evidence. | |||
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you trust the Saudi figures? It's a dictatorship with secret police and religious police on top of normal police and military walking the streets. The figures are much higher than that.
Let's see your evidence. "I used to live there. Other neater evidence is harder to find, given it being a dictatorship and all. Apparently there are no drug addicts, or alcoholics... and very few gay people. Maybe Capital Punishment cured all the gays? | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise " If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? " can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money"I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though. I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again? The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons: 1. It’s not an effective deterrent. 2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent. 3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime. 4. It’s not cost effective. 5. It’s morally abhorrent. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
"This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East. The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point."Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ? | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point."I don’t know if you’ve read the entire discussion, or even the post the one of mine was replying to. But it has veered, by association, onto the death penalty a little. The post you quoted, was in reply to one which in which the poster said this: “I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed” Which I assumed to be in reference to the death penalty. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
"to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point.
Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ?
"Given the enormous social, cultural and religious differences between the U.K. and Saudi, I’d say no, not really. A far better comparison might be between the U.K. and the US. Or better still between US states with the death penalty, and those without. If you have a look at those, and still think the death penalty is an effective deterrent, then I’ll be all ears for anything you discover. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget"So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people? Blimey. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point.
Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ?
Given the enormous social, cultural and religious differences between the U.K. and Saudi, I’d say no, not really.
A far better comparison might be between the U.K. and the US. Or better still between US states with the death penalty, and those without.
If you have a look at those, and still think the death penalty is an effective deterrent, then I’ll be all ears for anything you discover."I have looked this up in the past and can’t argue with that . However , punishment that fits the crime would be nice to see now and again . We do have a high rate of reoffenders in the UK , and that seems to suggest our current way isn’t working . | |||
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"OP you haven't a prayer mate. The do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and tell you it is all society's fault and CP isn't nice. They will ignore that we are in a rising tide of such crime or tell you again it wasn't the thugs fault. If said thug was desperate to get moneydue to circumstances beyond their control then stealing the lady's handbag might be expainable, but kickimg and beating her? Same as when we read of some old pensioner beaten up in their own home so they tell the intruders where the goodies (however few#~~~~) are. But all we have to do is cuddle this scum and everything will be ok. That's what you'll hear over and over." Which reactionary tabloid newspaper/right wing nationalist propaganda rag are you getting your information directly piped into your brain from? | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey."why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point.
Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ?
Given the enormous social, cultural and religious differences between the U.K. and Saudi, I’d say no, not really.
A far better comparison might be between the U.K. and the US. Or better still between US states with the death penalty, and those without.
If you have a look at those, and still think the death penalty is an effective deterrent, then I’ll be all ears for anything you discover.
I have looked this up in the past and can’t argue with that .
However , punishment that fits the crime would be nice to see now and again .
We do have a high rate of reoffenders in the UK , and that seems to suggest our current way isn’t working ."Because we live in a fucking awful society where your only options are work as a wage slave in a shit job wasting your life for greedy cunt paymasters or commit crimes. Lots of the underclass barely even have that choice. | |||
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"The original post was of a 90 year old woman being half beaten to death and the perpetrator only getting 1 year in young offenders prison,does anyone think that is fair punishment " not at all but it will come down to money for me ten yrs probably not long enough | |||
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"The original post was of a 90 year old woman being half beaten to death and the perpetrator only getting 1 year in young offenders prison,does anyone think that is fair punishment " Nope. The original post was about CP. It referenced a sentencing. | |||
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"I wish people were put behind bars for the abhorrent financial crimes committed on a daily basis. Fucking up society so bad it kills people. Then we can get to stoning kids in hoodies." shite there goes my Christmas present anyone want a unused hoodie | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/24/crime-rate-england-wales-falls-lowest-level-33-years" Ah, weren't things nice back in 2014? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2018#latest-figures | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point.
Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ?
Given the enormous social, cultural and religious differences between the U.K. and Saudi, I’d say no, not really.
A far better comparison might be between the U.K. and the US. Or better still between US states with the death penalty, and those without.
If you have a look at those, and still think the death penalty is an effective deterrent, then I’ll be all ears for anything you discover.
I have looked this up in the past and can’t argue with that .
However , punishment that fits the crime would be nice to see now and again .
We do have a high rate of reoffenders in the UK , and that seems to suggest our current way isn’t working .
Because we live in a fucking awful society where your only options are work as a wage slave in a shit job wasting your life for greedy cunt paymasters or commit crimes.
Lots of the underclass barely even have that choice.
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
This thread is about Capital Punishment. Not the Death Sentance, the OP is suggesting we use flogging, caning and the whip, as forms of corrective behaviour. Like they do in places like the Middle East.
The Death Sentance is only part of Capital Punishment, OP is against the Death Penalty. Torture is fine though. Lets discuss that point.
Well Clem seems to have made a very good point about crime in Saudi Arabia compared to here , and it seems pretty damning doesn’t it ?
"No Clem hasn't, this are figures that the Saudi Dictatorship has provided. It's also a nation that has a Secret Police and Religious Police. Hardly a fair comparison to a faux-democracy such as our own. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey. why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime"You are asking why morals should be part of the justice system of a modern civilised democracy? So are you saying that we need to replace current verdicts of: A. Innocent B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt With: A. Innocent B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt C. Guilty beyond any doubt So that we can execute those found guilty beyond any doubt? But not execute people found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, of the exact same crime? Hardly sounds fair, does it? And how are you guaranteeing you never get it wrong? | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey. why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime
You are asking why morals should be part of the justice system of a modern civilised democracy?
So are you saying that we need to replace current verdicts of:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
With:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
C. Guilty beyond any doubt
So that we can execute those found guilty beyond any doubt?
But not execute people found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, of the exact same crime?
Hardly sounds fair, does it?
And how are you guaranteeing you never get it wrong?"again I don't give a fook about Fair did they no but say likes of soham killer or brady hindley then get rid and nothing is 100percent why keep them at are cost even that cabbie that rapped just wipe the vermin out | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey. why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime
You are asking why morals should be part of the justice system of a modern civilised democracy?
So are you saying that we need to replace current verdicts of:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
With:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
C. Guilty beyond any doubt
So that we can execute those found guilty beyond any doubt?
But not execute people found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, of the exact same crime?
Hardly sounds fair, does it?
And how are you guaranteeing you never get it wrong? again I don't give a fook about Fair did they no but say likes of soham killer or brady hindley then get rid and nothing is 100percent why keep them at are cost even that cabbie that rapped just wipe the vermin out"also I have two people I've known and worked with doing life for murder I'd gladly see them killed as there family said at The time prison to good for them | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey. why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime
You are asking why morals should be part of the justice system of a modern civilised democracy?
So are you saying that we need to replace current verdicts of:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
With:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
C. Guilty beyond any doubt
So that we can execute those found guilty beyond any doubt?
But not execute people found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, of the exact same crime?
Hardly sounds fair, does it?
And how are you guaranteeing you never get it wrong? again I don't give a fook about Fair did they no but say likes of soham killer or brady hindley then get rid and nothing is 100percent why keep them at are cost even that cabbie that rapped just wipe the vermin out"You might not give a fook about fair, but a justice system in a civilised democracy probably does. And you are contradicting yourself now. Earlier you said only those we were absolutely certain of their guilt would be executed. You now seem to be saying it wouldn’t matter if someone was wrongly execured because “nothing is 100%” and you “don’t give a fook about fair”. | |||
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"One thing we need is to toughen up are sentencing two many of the youth see it as a badge of honor between each other eg were I live we have two kids that killed two men but reduced to manslaughter got 4 yes only did 2 now when there out all the young ones gather round as if there heroes so wrong things need to change one way or another be it bring back death sentencing or as ones said shop them out to other countries prisons and before people say you don't no unless you've been there I've been locked up had 23 hrs lock down no TV I was happy to get running water and a hour to exercise If the problem is jail sentences not being long enough, then the solution isn’t the death penalty. It’s making jail sentences longer. How on earth would it work sending people to prison in other countries? Who is paying for it? And what would you say to people who complained that murderers were getting luxury trips abroad on aeroplanes? can always open the doors over the ocean but what I mean make The sentence fit life should be life if you get ten yrs that's the minimum you'll do with good behavior and as we would be paying for them here then it's not about the money just the would now what prison should mean and yes if theve murdered and there's no doubt then I for one wouldn't loose any sleep knowing they were killed how many times do we here realised early to commit murder again and we here we will lean naf off it's about money release early save money
I have no problem with tougher jail sentences, even life meaning life in exceptional circumstances. You don’t need to reintroduce the death penalty to solve that problem though.
I don’t know - how often do we hear about murderers being released early and murdering again?
The death penalty just doesn’t work for a number of reasons:
1. It’s not an effective deterrent.
2. There’s a risk of executing someone who turns out to be innocent.
3. You can’t say ‘we’ll only do it where we know for absolute certain they were guilty’, because you would then have a situation where two people found guilty of the same crime, one “absolutely”, and one “beyond reasonable doubt”, receiving different punishments. The punishment should be for the crime, not the degree of certainty you know then to be guilty of the crime.
4. It’s not cost effective.
5. It’s morally abhorrent.
to me money shouldn't come into it even if cost more or turn are prisons into ones like in Brazil were family have to look after you eg bring food and water no family no life 2 morals don't come into it were these people count 3 still stand by killing them if found guilty of murder eg say bank robbery shoot someone while escaping your cought bang to Rights then straight to the chamber I for one really wish we could sort social things out but in this country it's all about money eg cycle paths cheap version just paint a line put cycle path motorways let's make hard shoulder The fourth Lane because cars will break down were we put pull ins something needs to change we just need strong people to make the decision not politicians if we're going down the social path a try to understand then let's do it properly and back it with what ever it needs not a budget
So to be clear here, you are saying morality has no place in a civilised justice system, and the state should be prepared to risk executing innocent people?
Blimey. why should morals come it to it did they have morals when they committed the crime I've never said innocent people only those we definitely no did the murder don't get me on State executing how many innocent men and women have we sent to there death around The world under the name of us ias I got told can't do The time don't do the crime
You are asking why morals should be part of the justice system of a modern civilised democracy?
So are you saying that we need to replace current verdicts of:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
With:
A. Innocent
B. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
C. Guilty beyond any doubt
So that we can execute those found guilty beyond any doubt?
But not execute people found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, of the exact same crime?
Hardly sounds fair, does it?
And how are you guaranteeing you never get it wrong? again I don't give a fook about Fair did they no but say likes of soham killer or brady hindley then get rid and nothing is 100percent why keep them at are cost even that cabbie that rapped just wipe the vermin out
You might not give a fook about fair, but a justice system in a civilised democracy probably does.
And you are contradicting yourself now. Earlier you said only those we were absolutely certain of their guilt would be executed.
You now seem to be saying it wouldn’t matter if someone was wrongly execured because “nothing is 100%” and you “don’t give a fook about fair”."I'm very tired in this day and age in this country I can't think of any murderer been innocent when found guilty with technology as it is but I agree nothing is 100 % then yes get rid and I stand by don't give a fook about fairness because they will never have given it so let's agree to disagree | |||
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"The original post was of a 90 year old woman being half beaten to death and the perpetrator only getting 1 year in young offenders prison,does anyone think that is fair punishment Nope. The original post was about CP. It referenced a sentencing. True but violent crime always seems to be treated to lightly by the courts and whilst this happens there will always be a clamour to bring back CP Always seems to be treated lightly based on what? " The media and internet mainly and couple of assaults on friends resulting in facial reconstruction where no custodial sentences given | |||
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"The original post was of a 90 year old woman being half beaten to death and the perpetrator only getting 1 year in young offenders prison,does anyone think that is fair punishment Nope. The original post was about CP. It referenced a sentencing. True but violent crime always seems to be treated to lightly by the courts and whilst this happens there will always be a clamour to bring back CP Always seems to be treated lightly based on what? The media and internet mainly and couple of assaults on friends resulting in facial reconstruction where no custodial sentences given " I’d conclude from that that media always seems to report on extreme cases, rather than it meaning that most cases are treated too lightly. It’s like negativity bias, with things like support forums for products. People will only post when they have an issue, making it look like people all have issues. But it’s only because the majority who don’t have problems don’t need to post on support forums about their lack of problems. | |||
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"Would you like to come and explain retribution to a girl of 11 that’s been repeatedly abused her and not only sexually abused but abused emotionally and physically too. Would you like to sit with her while she has night terrors and wets the bed and tell her it’s ok ‘hes’ in prison having 3 nice meals a day warm and comfy while she’s living in a nightmare of trauma, sees marks on her skin still years later from what he did to her?. I couldnt give a toss how much it costs to feed them, he took her innocence her childhood which is her basic human right he has no right to any human rights. " I agree with you on this. After working only a short term on the children's ward were a small child was in due to some evil pig the child's innocence & have to sit with that child hearing the shouts for help in that child's sleep & all you can do is be there when they wake up to hold them & say your safe. That child, like 1000's who have had their innocence taken there basic human right. Where was it that these men & some women have the right to take an innocence child & r4pe them & beat them for not being able to take the man penis in there mouth or private area. I have seen photos of girls that have been ripped open maybe never able to have children of there own. Then boys that have had their backside ripped open unable to use it anymore & have to wear a bag to poo into. Jaws that have been dislocated & needing to be wired back in place. Then beating marks no doubt from ever fighting the adult doing there best to stop what he was going to do or from hurting him ever by not being able to take his member in whichever hole he wanted to put it in. Then the poor boys that have been kicked & beating black & blue on the genitals. I've even seen one little boy that had his genitals removed. I was told that the man how did this used a heated knife the type you would use to cut through sheet foam. I can't believe how the child lived through what must have been burning hell. The man went on to eat the child's bits. before using the newly made hole. Anyone that takes the innocence from a child there basic human right to be a child. Should have the same done to them daily every day they are inside & given only a book to read & basic food. I am sure even lifers would agree that these things should be daily beaten & r4ped. So NO I don't think tv radio & carpet should be given to them. I also say that the minute you do a crime you lose your basic human rights. Can't live with this don't do the crime then you will not lose your basic human right. What right have any criminal got to the basic right to be safe in your street etc? | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? " I'm lost, you like executing people? No, doesn't really ring my bell that one. | |||
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"As some of you will know if you have read my profile I like giving CP. I was thinking after hearing one of my friends Auntie was robbed in the street she lost her full weeks pension & other stuff that was in her handbag along with her rings & necklace. But the worse part of it all the evil youth kicked her punished her & even hit her with some type of wooden thing. The poor old lady in her 90's is in a hospital with a number of broken bones & kidney damage but the list goes on. thankfully she is a fighter & is in safe hand & doing well. When the police went to tell my friend about it the officer said if they find the young person that did it at best they would get 1year in young offenders. The office said that prison should get tv carpeted cells radios & laptops. Plus 3 better meals than you get if you're in a hospital. They should be a hard floor a metal frame bed a table & chair & toilet & sink. I Think they should bring back CP in prisons or given out as a punishment by the court given in a public place. Maybe outside the courthouse. I am sure that will cut crime not many would like to get the prison strapping or cane. I know some like CP & would line up for it but on the whole, a good 90% don't. Does anyone else think we should bring back CP as a way to stop crime? I'm lost, you like executing people? No, doesn't really ring my bell that one. " Where do you get executing people from CP. I was talking about flogging in public. I am against DP (executing) | |||
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"DP made me laugh." Yes After posting I looked & thought too late if anything it will give them a laugh. But if they were to bring Death Pentile with DP added in at least we can say they went screwed & happy.  | |||
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