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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

do* not due

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Spot on as usual Veiw. They obviously didn't have an inspirational commander like the Irish Guards one who made the outstanding pre battle address.

(Forgot his name, it's my age you know)

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Lt Colnel Tim Collins 'Our buisiness lies North'

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Alls fair in love n war so they say...they are investigating whether or not the video is genuine....lots of stuff happens in war, NOT all is reported ...sensationalism from the media yet again...its boring me now

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Not everyone who wears a uniform is a hero. My dad taught me that.... and no I don't mean he was a shit dad. He was a Royal Marine and his medals are in a case in my livingroom.

As he told me at the end of many a story.... you'll find scum floating about in all walks of life.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess in the heat of the moment people do stupid thing,,,,,, but if it’s true, I can only hope there’s not a wave of support justifying their action as something other than a momentary laps of good judgement …

It would be a shame to think such a reprehensible and shameful act and obvious attempt to dishonour their foe was seen as something others draw satisfaction or pride in.....

However it would be also be unfair to imagine all soldiers are suitably equipped to handle the obvious mental stresses which emerge while being subjected to the horror of armed conflict in the same way….!.

Perhaps these guys just made a regretful mistake.....

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?"

Exactly and that is why they require inspirational leaders who can temper reactionary actions.

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By *eavy Metal BallzMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?"

I agree that seeing friends killed and maimed is a terrible thing to go through, it still dosnt justify that.

I am dismayed when these stories come to light because all it does is make an already deadly foe fight that little bit harder!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

My own nephew recently returned from a tour of Afghanistan with 42 Commando, the family don't ask him what he endured while he was over there, my brother...his father, has told me many times recently the experiences of his tour have changed this fine young man....probably forever.

It's all too easy for people to judge these young men, maybe if they had walked in their shoes they might see the situation a little differently.

Lets not be too quick to judge from the comfort of our armchairs....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?

I agree that seeing friends killed and maimed is a terrible thing to go through, it still dosnt justify that.

I am dismayed when these stories come to light because all it does is make an already deadly foe fight that little bit harder! "

I wonder if those condemning the soldiers allegedly urinating on dead taliban scum are aware of what living taliban scum do to living coalition soldiers that they capture.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?

I agree that seeing friends killed and maimed is a terrible thing to go through, it still dosnt justify that.

I am dismayed when these stories come to light because all it does is make an already deadly foe fight that little bit harder!

I wonder if those condemning the soldiers allegedly urinating on dead taliban scum are aware of what living taliban scum do to living coalition soldiers that they capture."
they dont want to hear it Wishy....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of us were there, none of us know why the soldiers allegedly did what they did.

None of us have seen the atrocities that occur on both sides.

It's definitely NOT a holiday camp or holiday out there, lives are lost every day from both sides.

Let the powers that be deal with it.

All I can say is, bless our lads for being there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tickles me how people moan about things like this..so troops pissed on the enemy..whoopy shit,its not a game of tag in war.when i see our troops cutting heads of on line like the enemy does then id agree with the whiners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm considering the amount diversified and conflicting _iews aired here in forums,,,,, Perhaps we should ask admin to provide us with an “ I piss on your opinion” smiley….. Which would be particularly useful when challenging posts suggesting two wrongs make a right….!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )"

Er, and what great work is that then?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Hmm considering the amount diversified and conflicting _iews aired here in forums,,,,, Perhaps we should ask admin to provide us with an “ I piss on your opinion” smiley….. Which would be particularly useful when challenging posts suggesting two wrongs make a right….!."
they quite obviously dont but war is a complex thing with far outreaching consequences....but i agree with the poster that says walk a mile in someones shoes etc...as cliché as it sounds...this will always be an emotive subject

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )

Er, and what great work is that then?"

I don't want to get banned so I'll refrain from answering your ridiculous question....I suspect it was posted to get a reaction.

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By *eavy Metal BallzMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?

I agree that seeing friends killed and maimed is a terrible thing to go through, it still dosnt justify that.

I am dismayed when these stories come to light because all it does is make an already deadly foe fight that little bit harder!

I wonder if those condemning the soldiers allegedly urinating on dead taliban scum are aware of what living taliban scum do to living coalition soldiers that they capture."

Not condemning anybody just saying it dosnt help the fight/cause.

I know exactly what would happen if they were to capture a NATO soldier.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"Not everyone who wears a uniform is a hero. My dad taught me that.... and no I don't mean he was a shit dad. He was a Royal Marine and his medals are in a case in my livingroom.

As he told me at the end of many a story.... you'll find scum floating about in all walks of life."

i have never understood this modern deification of soldiers, perhaps it is because we dont have conscription.

They are ppl , some are bound to be twunts, just as some will be ok, and some, like the guy from Grenada who drove over a bomb to save others true heroes...

The flip side of trying to lump all of one job together (nurses are angels is another good example) is that when incidents like this one, or the Abu Grave (forgive sp) abuse, happen ppl get all concerned about the armed forces as a whole and start demanding to know what has happened to cause this...nothing, they were just cunts...so long as there are adequate rules in place to enforce discipline and punish those who overstep the rules then i do not see what more we can do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an ex paratrooper, served in iraq and afghan. There's one feeling I never hope to feel again, and that is the feeling of when you've just lost one of you muckers and your heading back out to patrol, in your head you have images of what you would do to the insurgents that took your friends life! And its not pretty! Its a feeling of pure hatred and anger mixed with sadness. Now I'm not condoning what these american troops did, just saying that sometimes emotions can take over your brain and make you do stupid things, just a shame how the media make bigger stories of a soldiers downfall than they do when there hero's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )"

So why post it, even if you think it might another Daily Mirror scoop ???????????????????????????????

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you


"I'm an ex paratrooper, served in iraq and afghan. There's one feeling I never hope to feel again, and that is the feeling of when you've just lost one of you muckers and your heading back out to patrol, in your head you have images of what you would do to the insurgents that took your friends life! And its not pretty! Its a feeling of pure hatred and anger mixed with sadness. Now I'm not condoning what these american troops did, just saying that sometimes emotions can take over your brain and make you do stupid things, just a shame how the media make bigger stories of a soldiers downfall than they do when there hero's"
and thats because it makes a better story than applauding our troops for putting their lives on the line every day(wether you believe in the war or not)because thats what they are doing and i for one think each and every one who goes out is a hero

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )

So why post it, even if you think it might another Daily Mirror scoop ???????????????????????????????"

I don't think it is another Daily Mirror scoop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do understand that it seems to make a 'better' story. But just sickens me the way soldiers can be treated in this country! And they are hero's, I get so riled at some people who you hear about moaning about some of the simplest things that don't really matter when there people putting there life at risk for our country

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

i think they dropped a bollock by filming it...

i understand their emotions are on a knife edge, or even the feeling of blood lust when caught up in the adrenalin fueled heat of battle...

piss on them in the heat of a hard fought battle, i could understand

...but to film it to laugh or gloat about it later (just a guess of mine otherwise why film it)...nahhhh....just not on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

US troops..They don't help themselves half the time. Though they have long deployments (12 months). I can't say a bad thing though about them. I spent 3 years on a US army base in Germany and It was like living in a small town there was everything you needed on base..

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By *ess von teaseWoman
over a year ago

perth

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck"

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

"

Without sounding a total shit _iew but in our eyes are the taliban loved?

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

More Taliban are captured alive than are killed.

If any coalition soldiers are captured they can be almost certain they wont be released alive, just look back to the young lad from 3 or 4 Scots a cpl month ago he was stripped naked and beaten before being shot and he was only 22 years old, that is the kind of men those soldiers are dealing with I know how I would feel towards an enemy that acted like that.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

Without sounding a total shit _iew but in our eyes are the taliban loved? "

by their family they will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm afraid no matter who or what religion. I believe in respecting the dead. In my eyes every man woman child is entitled to that in death.

This may not be how others see it but I do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

war is war! bigger atrosicities than pissing on a few dead terrorists have and will continue to happen,Should try growing up in northern ireland

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

Without sounding a total shit _iew but in our eyes are the taliban loved?

by their family they will be."

I guess on this subject we have differing _iews.. I am not saying that they are not loved. However the taliban don't care when they release video's of them beheading captives. I have my own personal _iews on the tailban because I have seen the effect of going to fight the tailban has in my own personal life.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"war is war! bigger atrosicities than pissing on a few dead terrorists have and will continue to happen,Should try growing up in northern ireland"

of course they will. I can't for a second imagine what it was like.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

Without sounding a total shit _iew but in our eyes are the taliban loved?

by their family they will be.

I guess on this subject we have differing _iews.. I am not saying that they are not loved. However the taliban don't care when they release video's of them beheading captives. I have my own personal _iews on the tailban because I have seen the effect of going to fight the tailban has in my own personal life. "

people will never agree on all subjects and I totally respect that. The above is my opinion, doesn't make it right.... just my opinion.

I have no experience of war... directly involvement or close family members... but they all have my utmost respect for what they do to allow me to live the life I do.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"so what they pissed on their dead enemy who gives a feck

I think they should be better than that. I would also condemn if they released pictures of them urinating on our loved ones.

Without sounding a total shit _iew but in our eyes are the taliban loved?

by their family they will be.

I guess on this subject we have differing _iews.. I am not saying that they are not loved. However the taliban don't care when they release video's of them beheading captives. I have my own personal _iews on the tailban because I have seen the effect of going to fight the tailban has in my own personal life.

people will never agree on all subjects and I totally respect that. The above is my opinion, doesn't make it right.... just my opinion.

I have no experience of war... directly involvement or close family members... but they all have my utmost respect for what they do to allow me to live the life I do. "

Fair do's _iew...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no way on the Earth I am going to condemn coalition forces in favour of a few dead taliban. Were they still in power in Afghanistan we would be seeing daily executions for little less than dancing. As others have said, who gives a feck about a few dead scum than a few other living scum soon to be dead, hopefully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

am not gonna judge them either way.

with so much death, destruction and horror stories that come out of there maybe its a case of some soldiers dehumanizing. i think its the same on both sides

maybe id wanna piss on someones grave myself given the right circumstances

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )

Er, and what great work is that then?"

well for a start they are trying to stop women who get raped from being stoned to death or locked up in jail

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

I'm not a fan of the US or us or anyone else being in Afganistan.

But,if i really had to choose between two US videos :

1. pissing on dead soldiers, or

2. hi tech helicopter gunships firing on innocent children

i'd pick the former every time.

Let the authorities deal with it? Oh yeah, ask Bradley Manning for hs thoughts.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?

I agree that seeing friends killed and maimed is a terrible thing to go through, it still dosnt justify that.

I am dismayed when these stories come to light because all it does is make an already deadly foe fight that little bit harder!

I wonder if those condemning the soldiers allegedly urinating on dead taliban scum are aware of what living taliban scum do to living coalition soldiers that they capture."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I'm afraid no matter who or what religion. I believe in respecting the dead. In my eyes every man woman child is entitled to that in death.

This may not be how others see it but I do.

"

thats how i _iew it too Laine, nicely put :D x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I'm afraid no matter who or what religion. I believe in respecting the dead. In my eyes every man woman child is entitled to that in death.

This may not be how others see it but I do.

"

thats how i _iew it too Laine, nicely put :D x

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Sublime parody it may be but it sums it up nicely and may be worth a watch, ( not a war video ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2qyfeer990

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"

Sublime parody it may be but it sums it up nicely and may be worth a watch, ( not a war video ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2qyfeer990"

Good one mushy....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it is very difficult to know what is rushing through a person in that situation. its brill being horrified from the safety of our front rooms.

i don't agree with it but until i've been in their situation i wouldn't know how i'd act, and neither would anyone else.

what we are asking of these young guys may be too much in such a hostile area.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"it is very difficult to know what is rushing through a person in that situation. its brill being horrified from the safety of our front rooms.

i don't agree with it but until i've been in their situation i wouldn't know how i'd act, and neither would anyone else.

what we are asking of these young guys may be too much in such a hostile area."

totally agree.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Alighting from the bus this afternoon in Leeds I was stopped by a very attractive young lady asking for directions. She was at completely the wrong side of town so directing her was futile so I offered to walk with her. It turns out that she is an Afgan refugee and looking to gain citizenship.

A more delightful girl you couldn't wish to meet but she told me that her experience of England was very negative.

Why oh why can we not offer people respect rather than blaming them for something which they had no hand in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its worth remembering wherever your sympathies are,,,,,, and whatever the rational behind the many hard-born influences leading up to the act of desiccation these soldiers appear to have engaged in ……

A conscious decision must have been made by those involved to stage the act and film it as a trophy,….. A trophy which they have then permitted to enter the public domain…….

It would be very hard for anyone to defend those involved for allowing the premeditated public display of this trophy with the disrespectful connotations it evoke’s, as a simple error of judgement caused in the heat of a moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in respecting the dead, but in war, who can say how one would react under frankly unimaginable conditions?

Filming it was dumb though.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I think its worth remembering wherever your sympathies are,,,,,, and whatever the rational behind the many hard-born influences leading up to the act of desiccation these soldiers appear to have engaged in ……

A conscious decision must have been made by those involved to stage the act and film it as a trophy,….. A trophy which they have then permitted to enter the public domain…….

It would be very hard for anyone to defend those involved for allowing the premeditated public display of this trophy with the disrespectful connotations it evoke’s, as a simple error of judgement caused in the heat of a moment.

"

but they will Soxy... I for one have quoted on many, many threads on here that our troops display more bravery in one month than I will display in my entire lifetime and that they have my complete respect. I applaud the VALUES they stand for. It also saddens me when a few devalue these by stupid acts. I do not have to walk in any shoes to understand pain, hurt & death.

I think the leaders of the Taliban are bastards and many underneath them in the ranks will be also.

There will also be some very scared young men who had rifles thrust into their hands, it is their only hope of survival... fight or be killed. For those to die fighting for life is sad. Their entire lives upto the point of death will have been beyond anything I can also imagine sitting in my armchair.

All war is sad.. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not very nice of course, but they were dead any way, and at least they werent torturing and killing innocent animals.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

( altho still not authenticated )

Er, and what great work is that then?"

TUT!,TUT!.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


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but they will Soxy... I for one have quoted on many, many threads on here that our troops display more bravery in one month than I will display in my entire lifetime and that they have my complete respect. I applaud the VALUES they stand for. It also saddens me when a few devalue these by stupid acts. I do not have to walk in any shoes to understand pain, hurt & death.

I think the leaders of the Taliban are bastards and many underneath them in the ranks will be also.

There will also be some very scared young men who had rifles thrust into their hands, it is their only hope of survival... fight or be killed. For those to die fighting for life is sad. Their entire lives upto the point of death will have been beyond anything I can also imagine sitting in my armchair.

All war is sad.. x"

100% agreed

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead


"I'm an ex paratrooper, served in iraq and afghan. There's one feeling I never hope to feel again, and that is the feeling of when you've just lost one of you muckers and your heading back out to patrol, in your head you have images of what you would do to the insurgents that took your friends life! And its not pretty! Its a feeling of pure hatred and anger mixed with sadness. Now I'm not condoning what these american troops did, just saying that sometimes emotions can take over your brain and make you do stupid things, just a shame how the media make bigger stories of a soldiers downfall than they do when there hero's"

Not had the situation thank god, but was thinking of the situations in the past where many years down the line ex-soldiers talk of situations where for example someone surrenders but someone gets shot, i.e. the kill switch is still in the on position.

In theory this is why the NCO/Officer system exists, where they are more detached, and able to retain a better _iew of things.

The length of tour for US units may be part of the issue, i.e. the sanity check of real life is so far away.

Reading a good Korean book at present, and how different attitudes are to even just 60 years ago. Including how the press handled things.

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over a year ago


"Spot on as usual Veiw. They obviously didn't have an inspirational commander like the Irish Guards one who made the outstanding pre battle address.

(Forgot his name, it's my age you know) "

He wasn't Irish Guards, he was Royal Irish

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I'm an ex paratrooper, served in iraq and afghan. There's one feeling I never hope to feel again, and that is the feeling of when you've just lost one of you muckers and your heading back out to patrol, in your head you have images of what you would do to the insurgents that took your friends life! And its not pretty! Its a feeling of pure hatred and anger mixed with sadness. Now I'm not condoning what these american troops did, just saying that sometimes emotions can take over your brain and make you do stupid things, just a shame how the media make bigger stories of a soldiers downfall than they do when there hero's

Not had the situation thank god, but was thinking of the situations in the past where many years down the line ex-soldiers talk of situations where for example someone surrenders but someone gets shot, i.e. the kill switch is still in the on position.

In theory this is why the NCO/Officer system exists, where they are more detached, and able to retain a better _iew of things.

The length of tour for US units may be part of the issue, i.e. the sanity check of real life is so far away.

Reading a good Korean book at present, and how different attitudes are to even just 60 years ago. Including how the press handled things."

My ex husband was deployed for 12 months. I was in Germany then and managed to get a job. Some units have great FRG's some units don't. My ex's was crap the women were so rank happy it was unreal. The American do have it great in regards to what they get. We got money for being in Germany we got money for living on base. We got money for weekly shopping. We paid no rent no bills for our apartment..

I have also had a long term relationship with a guy in the British army and compared the 2.. Wow is all I can say..

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Not very nice of course, but they were dead any way, and at least they werent torturing and killing innocent animals."
with all due respect...how can you quantify the life of an animal to the life of a human being?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It`s WAR....

The yanks are taught to shoot - first..

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The brits are taught to shoot - only after having been fired at twice..

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the yanks walk across minefields..

to get their targets and kill them..

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the brits get in a sweeper team..

and usually arrive after everyone has done a runner..

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Even our army has bad eggs - but maybe just no as silly enough to let it be recorded on someones fone !!!

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over a year ago


"It`s WAR....

The yanks are taught to shoot - first..

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The brits are taught to shoot - only after having been fired at twice..

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the yanks walk across minefields..

to get their targets and kill them..

-

the brits get in a sweeper team..

and usually arrive after everyone has done a runner..

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Even our army has bad eggs - but maybe just no as silly enough to let it be recorded on someones fone !!!

"

What a load of bollocks! Beggers belief reading some of the shit on here it really does.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"... It turns out that she is an Afgan refugee and looking to gain citizenship.

A more delightful girl you couldn't wish to meet but she told me that her experience of England was very negative.

"

Guess it depends on her expectations????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....

...but they all have my utmost respect for what they do to allow me to live the life I do.

No they don't have your respect, or you wouldn't have started this thread."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doing weird and whacky things, acting in unusual, disturbing ways that you find humorous but other's definitely don't, is actually a classic sign of post traumatic stress disorder. Believe it or not.

Not making excuses here, but it's actually a common occurrence. I think it's called 'M.A.S.H. Syndrome' or something like that. There's an excellent book: On Killing by David Grossman that explains some of this stuff about the effects of killing on soldiers.

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over a year ago


"It`s WAR....

The yanks are taught to shoot - first..

-

The brits are taught to shoot - only after having been fired at twice..

-

the yanks walk across minefields..

to get their targets and kill them..

-

the brits get in a sweeper team..

and usually arrive after everyone has done a runner..

-

Even our army has bad eggs - but maybe just no as silly enough to let it be recorded on someones fone !!!

What a load of bollocks! Beggers belief reading some of the shit on here it really does. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hiya,

Going to stick my head in.

I am ex vet, US Army infantry Sergeant....I have lived it. Still carry the nightmares and seeing the tragedies that humans do to each other...and the names of my fallen friends. Also have seen a lot of family photos of the dead enemy during identification of corpses that 5 min. before just killed someone in your platoon. funny....family photos always look so loving... (sorry...bit watery eyed here)

I dont know one single clean Army in the world, and a Army (military) is a bout killing!!!! Shooting people, blowing them up and hurting them.... KILLING them so they dont go home.

Due to the availability of Cams, mobile phones and such....the public sees much more than in WW2 or on the Battlefields of Sterling. and it travels much faster on web...than in word of mouth.

Be careful of mass media...a lot of times the want you to look at something, to distract you from something else. (like a magician....focus on the pretty girl...wont see the trick)

Hugs,

Lee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they'll be awarded this year's Nobel Piss Prize

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hiya,

Going to stick my head in.

I am ex vet, US Army infantry Sergeant....I have lived it. Still carry the nightmares and seeing the tragedies that humans do to each other...and the names of my fallen friends. Also have seen a lot of family photos of the dead enemy during identification of corpses that 5 min. before just killed someone in your platoon. funny....family photos always look so loving... (sorry...bit watery eyed here)

I dont know one single clean Army in the world, and a Army (military) is a bout killing!!!! Shooting people, blowing them up and hurting them.... KILLING them so they dont go home.

Due to the availability of Cams, mobile phones and such....the public sees much more than in WW2 or on the Battlefields of Sterling. and it travels much faster on web...than in word of mouth.

Be careful of mass media...a lot of times the want you to look at something, to distract you from something else. (like a magician....focus on the pretty girl...wont see the trick)

Hugs,

Lee

"

Good post, and I agree about the media. When reporters in war zones are transmitting their reports back to the UK/US they transmit them in their entirety - blood, guts and gore - and it is edited back in the studio for broadcast. We only see what is deemed suitable for a nice evening in front of the box eating our fish & chips, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if the U.S. govt had known of that video's existence before it hit the media they would have supressed it, and rightly so. THe general public are aware that in war bodies are maimed beyond recognition, or that children are caught in the crossfire but do we really need to see it to believe it?

To quote Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wondered how long it would be before someone quoted A Few Good Men- it comes up EVERY time there is a thread about this sort of thing.....

The difference between the sanitised version of war and reality has been changed forever by the modern media and previously would have been sensored more effectively- it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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over a year ago


"Not very nice of course, but they were dead any way, and at least they werent torturing and killing innocent animals.with all due respect...how can you quantify the life of an animal to the life of a human being? "

Quite easily, we are all equal, humans are no more important than animals. Animals are much nicer as well.

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester


"Alighting from the bus this afternoon in Leeds I was stopped by a very attractive young lady asking for directions. She was at completely the wrong side of town so directing her was futile so I offered to walk with her. It turns out that she is an Afgan refugee and looking to gain citizenship.

A more delightful girl you couldn't wish to meet but she told me that her experience of England was very negative.

Why oh why can we not offer people respect rather than blaming them for something which they had no hand in? "

A good soul. We're with you on that regardless of their nationality,race or religion you did what every decent human being should've in our eyes. Hopefully she won't be subjected to hatred there. Yorkshire folk can, NOT ALL, be an unforgiving bunch.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Not very nice of course, but they were dead any way, and at least they werent torturing and killing innocent animals.with all due respect...how can you quantify the life of an animal to the life of a human being?

Quite easily, we are all equal, humans are no more important than animals. Animals are much nicer as well. "
Look what you typed there.....so ok.....someone murders your cat...then by a strange tail of events someone murders your Mum.......same thing, would you feel exactly the same grief.....? I cannot believe that you say we are no more important than animals....what on earth has happened in your life to make you think that????? Dont answer it was a rhetorical question....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit.

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over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit. "
I agree with you mate. War war is stupid, and people are stupid.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit. I agree with you mate. War war is stupid, and people are stupid.

"

Unfortunately no one has come up with a workable alternative - it's been tried and it failed

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit. "

It's not recently tho that people have lost respect - trophys have always been collected during wars. My grandfather was at Galipoli and and I heard stories of him witnessing an aussie cutting off the ears of dead turks

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"....

...but they all have my utmost respect for what they do to allow me to live the life I do.

No they don't have your respect, or you wouldn't have started this thread."

That is your opinion, I disagree with it but respect it for being your opinion.

I respect the NHS/Nursing Staff in private care homes but the small minority who abuse the elderly/vulnerable, I condemn.

I respect the Police but the small minority who falsify evidence, I condemn.

I respect women but the small minority who spoil it for others on here, I will comment on.. why, because I don't fawn at the altar of Goddess PussyFannyTush and will not nod at every word one of them says to ensure I get my leg over.

I can respect but don't always agree with the actions of a small minority...

But again, I respect your opinion.

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By *iew OP   Man
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Hiya,

Going to stick my head in.

I am ex vet, US Army infantry Sergeant....I have lived it. Still carry the nightmares and seeing the tragedies that humans do to each other...and the names of my fallen friends. Also have seen a lot of family photos of the dead enemy during identification of corpses that 5 min. before just killed someone in your platoon. funny....family photos always look so loving... (sorry...bit watery eyed here)

I dont know one single clean Army in the world, and a Army (military) is a bout killing!!!! Shooting people, blowing them up and hurting them.... KILLING them so they dont go home.

Due to the availability of Cams, mobile phones and such....the public sees much more than in WW2 or on the Battlefields of Sterling. and it travels much faster on web...than in word of mouth.

Be careful of mass media...a lot of times the want you to look at something, to distract you from something else. (like a magician....focus on the pretty girl...wont see the trick)

Hugs,

Lee

"

great post and thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people see a vid of American soldiers pissing on Taliban terrorists and couldn't give a fuck.

Other people see a vid of American terrorists pissing on fellow Muslims

I don't have an opinion either way but I know which of the two will have the biggest knock on effect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit. "

Great profile name you have there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit. "

Or perhaps just traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day.

We forget they are people, people do funny things under extreme pressure and stress. Thankfully most will never know this pressure, why because they do it for you so you can judge them in the safety of your own homes when they fuck up from time to time.

As I said earlier its easy to judge whilst sipping tea at home watching scooby doo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....

...but they all have my utmost respect for what they do to allow me to live the life I do.

No they don't have your respect, or you wouldn't have started this thread.

That is your opinion, I disagree with it but respect it for being your opinion.

I respect the NHS/Nursing Staff in private care homes but the small minority who abuse the elderly/vulnerable, I condemn.

I respect the Police but the small minority who falsify evidence, I condemn.

I respect women but the small minority who spoil it for others on here, I will comment on.. why, because I don't fawn at the altar of Goddess PussyFannyTush and will not nod at every word one of them says to ensure I get my leg over.

I can respect but don't always agree with the actions of a small minority...

But again, I respect your opinion.

"

Huge up from me for this post View. Well said that chap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wondered how long it would be before someone quoted A Few Good Men- it comes up EVERY time there is a thread about this sort of thing.....

"

If I'd have said something like: How can a man be condemned for putting his life on the line defending us and then having the manner in which he does it criticised, someone else would have quoted Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men. It's an oft used quote because it's a bloody good piece of prose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wondered how long it would be before someone quoted A Few Good Men- it comes up EVERY time there is a thread about this sort of thing.....

If I'd have said something like: How can a man be condemned for putting his life on the line defending us and then having the manner in which he does it criticised, someone else would have quoted Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men. It's an oft used quote because it's a bloody good piece of prose."

I am not disagreeing, merely commenting.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I worked in the place and can tell you its a harsh environment it drains you physically (it regularly hits the mid 50s in the summer)and maybe a bit mentally and I lived in far better conditions than the troops do and also without the stress off someone trying to shoot/blow you to bits,where maybe the next step will be your last.

Some of the stories the soldiers told us would were harrowing and if you remember a lot of these boys are still in thier teens and 20s does anyone posting here realy know what they would do after 6 months of that or in the US soldiers case 1 year?

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Not everyone who wears a uniform is a hero. My dad taught me that.... and no I don't mean he was a shit dad. He was a Royal Marine and his medals are in a case in my livingroom.

As he told me at the end of many a story.... you'll find scum floating about in all walks of life."

Your Dad is correct, Royal Marines always are

Who said judge a nation by how they treat their prisoners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who said judge a nation by how they treat their prisoners. "

Who also said 'walk a mile in my shoes before criticising me'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who said judge a nation by how they treat their prisoners.

Who also said 'walk a mile in my shoes before criticising me'."

Brenda Lee?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who said judge a nation by how they treat their prisoners. "

Ghandi said, "judge a society by how it treats it's weakest members"

~


"

Who also said 'walk a mile in my shoes before criticising me'."

No known origin but the Moslems have a proverb: "To understand a man, you've got to walk a mile in his shoes, whether they fit or not."

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Homer Simpson said "Judge a doughnut by the sugar it leaves on your lips"

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"I worked in the place and can tell you its a harsh environment it drains you physically (it regularly hits the mid 50s in the summer)and maybe a bit mentally and I lived in far better conditions than the troops do and also without the stress off someone trying to shoot/blow you to bits,where maybe the next step will be your last.

Some of the stories the soldiers told us would were harrowing and if you remember a lot of these boys are still in thier teens and 20s does anyone posting here realy know what they would do after 6 months of that or in the US soldiers case 1 year?"

I would have thought the job you signed on for but it can be hard sometimes to know the line and when not to cross it. Unfortunatly the other side do not see lines and that is why you carry out your dead to stop them doing things that no human would think possible.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Homer Simpson said "Judge a doughnut by the sugar it leaves on your lips""

And who said a moment on the lips a lifetime on the hips

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Piss on all the Taliban there all animals and cowards with there iads cowards i would have respect for them if they fought us in a fair fight .I don't care wat anyone says and before anyone gets on my case Iv done my duty for my country and my nephew is out in afghan just now

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over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit.

Or perhaps just traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day.

We forget they are people, people do funny things under extreme pressure and stress. Thankfully most will never know this pressure, why because they do it for you so you can judge them in the safety of your own homes when they fuck up from time to time.

As I said earlier its easy to judge whilst sipping tea at home watching scooby doo. "

That is their problem, not mine. they made the choice of joining the army, they have to live with the consequences. If you are going to go in to someone else's country, invade their land, tell them to live according to the way you think, destroy their livelihoods, murder innocent men, children & women, etc etc - then you better expect and be prepared to be 'traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day'.

and if you think its 'funny' to kill someone and then piss on their dead body, and then to also make a video and have a laugh about it - then you are truly sick and disgusting, then you have no morals or respect whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I piss on you = clear sign of contempt, respect the enemy as they are sneaky little bastards.

As laine said much earlier no desecration should happen.

It Does, shit happens as emotions impulses and not giving a flying fcuk enusre casue and effect.

When the Americans crossed the Rhine, their General Patton urinated halfway across.

A jock was executed last year, taken prisoner and murdered. Every person going on tour knows the worst case is death preceded by torture. Every resource to hand was used to recover him.

The 4 Marines will get humped with every UCMJ charge that sticks.

Bad Apples are always going to be present in any service, my sjt was a compulsive thief, chucked out for punching someone. Witnessed and reported he lost his pension, his sticky fingers went to the PMC world.

View you have your opinion i have mine, opinions are shaped by the facts presented, sometimes the truth is unsexy or not newsworthy.

Media Ops work hard to present Positive stories, local boy makes a difference is the common theme.

Bad stories are best left alone, Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"

View you have your opinion i have mine

"

agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit.

Or perhaps just traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day.

We forget they are people, people do funny things under extreme pressure and stress. Thankfully most will never know this pressure, why because they do it for you so you can judge them in the safety of your own homes when they fuck up from time to time.

As I said earlier its easy to judge whilst sipping tea at home watching scooby doo.

That is their problem, not mine. they made the choice of joining the army, they have to live with the consequences. If you are going to go in to someone else's country, invade their land, tell them to live according to the way you think, destroy their livelihoods, murder innocent men, children & women, etc etc - then you better expect and be prepared to be 'traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day'.

and if you think its 'funny' to kill someone and then piss on their dead body, and then to also make a video and have a laugh about it - then you are truly sick and disgusting, then you have no morals or respect whatsoever. "

So, it's ok for our soldiers to be killed. It's great living in a country with free speech.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


" That is their problem, not mine. they made the choice of joining the army, they have to live with the consequences. If you are going to go in to someone else's country, invade their land, tell them to live according to the way you think, destroy their livelihoods, murder innocent men, children & women, etc etc - then you better expect and be prepared to be 'traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day'.

and if you think its 'funny' to kill someone and then piss on their dead body, and then to also make a video and have a laugh about it - then you are truly sick and disgusting, then you have no morals or respect whatsoever. "

dont recall anyone saying its 'funny', some have voiced their opinion and you have voiced yours..

which you are able to do because people have gone to other countries in our history and fought to maintain our way of life..

freedom of speech..

try doing so in some of the countries you speak about..

as for Libya, they want rid of the same type of despotic scum who rule by fear, secret police etc..

they want democracy..

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Taz Mania thats a bit strong it almost seems as if you relish the fact coalition forces are dying out there.

One of the reasons the forces are there is to stop the Taliban murdering innocent men women and children or do you think they are realy good guys doing a wonderfull job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any non British citizen should be grateful of having the safe harbour to reside here and get provided for while their country shuns them.

Our troops are fighting for them too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have American cousins from a military family who,despite their right wing _iews I'm quite close to. My cousins son has recently come back from South Korea and is apparently being deployed to Afghanistan some time this year.

Purely from a personal point of _iew if it was him in that video? I would hang my head in shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a shame people have lost all regard and respect for human life, living or dead.

The US soldiers who did this are no heroes, just cowards and scum.

Afghan war is Bullshit. Iraq War = Bullshit. Libya war = Bullshit.

Or perhaps just traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day.

We forget they are people, people do funny things under extreme pressure and stress. Thankfully most will never know this pressure, why because they do it for you so you can judge them in the safety of your own homes when they fuck up from time to time.

As I said earlier its easy to judge whilst sipping tea at home watching scooby doo.

That is their problem, not mine. they made the choice of joining the army, they have to live with the consequences. If you are going to go in to someone else's country, invade their land, tell them to live according to the way you think, destroy their livelihoods, murder innocent men, children & women, etc etc - then you better expect and be prepared to be 'traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day'.

and if you think its 'funny' to kill someone and then piss on their dead body, and then to also make a video and have a laugh about it - then you are truly sick and disgusting, then you have no morals or respect whatsoever. "

Hold on a sec here, you seem to have lost sight of why the coalition forces are there in the first place.

The Taliban were not a benign government who committed the odd atrocity, they were a malignant growth on the Afghan people who executed them for things YOU take for granted: dancing, listening to music, watching TV, being educated.

In any field of conflict there is always going to arise the issue of giving young men guns and asking them to kill, but then expecting them to be able to switch it off without being tempered by age and experience.

You need to wake and smell the s**t you're shovelling before having a go at others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is torture, friendly-fire, civilian casualties and serving member casualties with every war.

There are many injured and maimed for life, in all walks of life.

I don't condone this, but I know it's a part of any war.

No country comes out squeaky clean in any of it.

All I would hope for is that a persons body is not desecrated in death, be they British, Taliban, Civilian or a baby left rotting in his cot by a junkie mother still claiming his child support.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Taliban piss on them all dead or alive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least we have freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom to make judgements without being beheaded, shot, raped and killed for having an opinion different from the regimes.

We are the lucky ones, we are the ones fighting for them, we are the ones who will take the blame for anything that goes wrong.

We are Great Britain!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Or perhaps just traumatised after pissing and shitting in a fox hole, seeing their mates get limbs blown off them. Having rounds whizzing past their heads all day.

We forget they are people, people do funny things under extreme pressure and stress. Thankfully most will never know this pressure, why because they do it for you so you can judge them in the safety of your own homes when they fuck up from time to time.

As I said earlier its easy to judge whilst sipping tea at home watching scooby doo. "

Thanks, that was my point.

Understanding why something occurred isn't the same thing as condoning it, and it helps you prevent this kind of thing occurring in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to add that I don't support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, mostly because I believe civil uprising is usually a necessary prerequisite to regime change and that the West works best using it's soft power e.g. in particular spreading markets and other Western ideals. I think it's wrong to expect sweeping change within one or two election cycles and that true change takes decades of persistent effort to occur. Invasion, because of human mass psychology, is a poor and blunt instrument to achieve results and should be used a last resort. That Osama was killed in Pakistan and not Afghanistan or Iraq is revealing I think.

Nonetheless, many of us who are against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, support the aims of the neo-conservatives, simply not the methodology used by them.

I think, where you are politically here is also irrelevant to how we treat soldiers we send out to battle. If somebody is fighting on your behalf, even if you don't want it, then you should pay respect to that individual.

You don't have to agree with the Army's present objectives, in order to respect what they stand for. It's like throwing out the entire judiciary because a single court case didn't go your way.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"At least we have freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom to make judgements without being beheaded, shot, raped and killed for having an opinion different from the regimes.

We are the lucky ones, we are the ones fighting for them, we are the ones who will take the blame for anything that goes wrong.

We are Great Britain!"

are or were?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least we have freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom to make judgements without being beheaded, shot, raped and killed for having an opinion different from the regimes.

We are the lucky ones, we are the ones fighting for them, we are the ones who will take the blame for anything that goes wrong.

We are Great Britain!

are or were?

"

We have the choice of either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd like to add that I don't support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, mostly because I believe civil uprising is usually a necessary prerequisite to regime change and that the West works best using it's soft power e.g. in particular spreading markets and other Western ideals. I think it's wrong to expect sweeping change within one or two election cycles and that true change takes decades of persistent effort to occur. Invasion, because of human mass psychology, is a poor and blunt instrument to achieve results and should be used a last resort. That Osama was killed in Pakistan and not Afghanistan or Iraq is revealing I think.

Nonetheless, many of us who are against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, support the aims of the neo-conservatives, simply not the methodology used by them.

I think, where you are politically here is also irrelevant to how we treat soldiers we send out to battle. If somebody is fighting on your behalf, even if you don't want it, then you should pay respect to that individual.

You don't have to agree with the Army's present objectives, in order to respect what they stand for. It's like throwing out the entire judiciary because a single court case didn't go your way. "

Good post, think that some people think you support war just because you stand up for the troops fighting in that war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose as far as insults go,being pissed on when you're dead ain't half as bad as having a high velocity round slammed into your face when you're alive.

It's not the worst video I've seen to be honest

As mushy said..Ask Bradley manning what he thinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"urinating on dead Taliban fighters...

puts the great work the armed forces due to shame.

the stupidness of a very few.... the great bravery of the many.

There are tits in every job who make the good look bad, ppl always think the majority are the same as the minority, put the offenders before the courts and let them spend many days/yrs locked away for being utter cocks ..

( altho still not authenticated )"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's sad and amazing in equal measure what some people will try and defend on here.

As sure as eggs are eggs you could predict the tired old lines from "A Few Good Men" being trotted out. Sadder still is no-one can think back to what prompted that speech.

Whatever happened to the countries that gave speeches on being shining lights of fairness and democracy? The kinds of countries who go round the world giving lessons in how to be a model democracy.

What an embarassment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's sad and amazing in equal measure what some people will try and defend on here.

As sure as eggs are eggs you could predict the tired old lines from "A Few Good Men" being trotted out. Sadder still is no-one can think back to what prompted that speech.

Whatever happened to the countries that gave speeches on being shining lights of fairness and democracy? The kinds of countries who go round the world giving lessons in how to be a model democracy.

What an embarassment. "

It's equally sad that a British national would defend a dead taliban and his right not to be pissed on after his death. If the asshole wasn't trying to kill your FELLOW countrymen he wouldn't be dead in the first place.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

What is not realy publicised is a large percentage of the Taliban fighting against the coalition come across the border from Pakistan and more than you would believe are from the UK either born here or imigrants why then are they not charged with treason when captured, maybe its so as not to upset any ethnic minorities in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is not realy publicised is a large percentage of the Taliban fighting against the coalition come across the border from Pakistan and more than you would believe are from the UK either born here or imigrants why then are they not charged with treason when captured, maybe its so as not to upset any ethnic minorities in this country."

I don't think so, on pragmatic grounds. It's more likely that they need to be interrogated to extract more information, so if they proceeded with treason charges they would have to make it public that they were caught, thus rendering information gathered less useful. Also, forget the law theory, in practice the penalty for treason in every country in the world is death. That will never not be the case, no matter what anybody says.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Treason no longer carries the death penalty in this country.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Captured Taliban are handed over to the Afghan authorities and no doubt a lot of them are back fighting within days.

But as far as those who hold "Brittish" passports are concerned they will no doubt be quietly brought back into the UK.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE


"Captured Taliban are handed over to the Afghan authorities and no doubt a lot of them are back fighting within days.

But as far as those who hold "British" passports are concerned they will no doubt be quietly brought back into the UK."

and be re-housed quicker than the troops being laid off in the cuts no doubt?,not forgetting the claims to be put in for unfair treatment afer being caught laying ied traps for our troops and innocent kids & farmers to fall foul of!.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West


"Captured Taliban are handed over to the Afghan authorities and no doubt a lot of them are back fighting within days.

But as far as those who hold "British" passports are concerned they will no doubt be quietly brought back into the UK.

and be re-housed quicker than the troops being laid off in the cuts no doubt?,not forgetting the claims to be put in for unfair treatment afer being caught laying ied traps for our troops and innocent kids & farmers to fall foul of!. "

+1

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By *atinaBabeCouple
over a year ago

casa caliente


"Not everyone who wears a uniform is a hero. My dad taught me that.... and no I don't mean he was a shit dad. He was a Royal Marine and his medals are in a case in my livingroom.

As he told me at the end of many a story.... you'll find scum floating about in all walks of life."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very odd that people, well meaning I am sure, find it outrageous that soldiers desecrate bodies, yet do not question the massive deaths inflicted by British and American soldiers in a country 7k miles away. I think the Afghans are more annoyed by the 300k plus dead tan they are by a few soldiers urinating on corpses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What the media fail to cover or take into account is the enormous stress these troops go through whilst serving in Afghanistan.

Their emotions must be pulled, stetched and tested on a daily basis....the loss and severe wounding of their brothers in arms during these tours must place tremendous strain on these men....maybe some of their subsequent actions should be seen to be as a consequence of these strains?"

It must also be very difficult to be told to go out and kill as many of the enemy as possible and then to see the dead body of an enemy and think of it as human. Soldiers in the heat of battle are known to have a red mist descend upon them that makes them act in ways that they wouldn't normally act and only someone who has experienced battle would know how it feels to see your comrade's brains blown out next to you and then shoot the enemy soldier who killed him. Revenge + rage = beserker.

Who gives a shit about a few dead taliban scumbag anyway - this is a 'religious' movement who beheaded 17 people for having a party only last weekend. Nobody should face any charges whatsoever for whatever they do to garbage like this - they're bugs so squash them as such is my _iew.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Captured Taliban are handed over to the Afghan authorities and no doubt a lot of them are back fighting within days.

But as far as those who hold "British" passports are concerned they will no doubt be quietly brought back into the UK.

and be re-housed quicker than the troops being laid off in the cuts no doubt?,not forgetting the claims to be put in for unfair treatment afer being caught laying ied traps for our troops and innocent kids & farmers to fall foul of!.

+1"

Taliban fighters with suspect accents or claiming to be British passport holders do not get handed over to the Afghan authorities, nor do they get passed back to British or coalition authorities.

Make of that what you will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they were dead anyway, so it doesnt matter so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

pissing on dead people is bad, but is it worse than killing them in the first place, i know what i would rather happen to me.

soldiers have a hard time, and if they feel that this is how they want to act who are we to say its wrong, we have no idea of the pressure they are under, the media shouldnt make a big deal of it, war is not nice, do we all need to know the details!!!

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