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 would be the easiest army to beat ever. Sun Tzu strategies wouldn't be required. | |||
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"Snowflake? People who are easily offended over everyday mundane things " Or a term used to shut down a discussion when someone doesn't like being disagreed with but has no articulate come back. | |||
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" would be the easiest army to beat ever. Sun Tzu strategies wouldn't be required."All the opposition would have to do would be down vote their YouTube vids and the Army would be destroyed! | |||
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"Snowflake? People who are easily offended over everyday mundane things Or a term used to shut down a discussion when someone doesn't like being disagreed with but has no articulate come back. " Shush Snowflake | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits "The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here  | |||
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"Snowflake? People who are easily offended over everyday mundane things Or a term used to shut down a discussion when someone doesn't like being disagreed with but has no articulate come back. Shush Snowflake " that's me! | |||
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"Snowflake? People who are easily offended over everyday mundane things Or a term used to shut down a discussion when someone doesn't like being disagreed with but has no articulate come back. "And you zip it | |||
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" would be the easiest army to beat ever. Sun Tzu strategies wouldn't be required.
All the opposition would have to do would be down vote their YouTube vids and the Army would be destroyed! "They would probably upset each other. | |||
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The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here "That's why I included the link | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link "But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?  | |||
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"I do love the irony that they are getting offended by the terminology .. snowflakes being so .. snowflakey" You expect anything different? | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive? "Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?  | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature? "Ah, so your original post was in fact meant to say something along the lines of the army isn't sending a positive message by turning negative stereotypes around and who wants soldiers with compassion, excellent hand/eye co-ordination, reflexes and determination? | |||
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"Snowflake? People who are easily offended over everyday mundane things Or a term used to shut down a discussion when someone doesn't like being disagreed with but has no articulate come back. " This.. A throw away comment with which to hide one's lack of knowledge or one's extreme views.. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
Ah, so your original post was in fact meant to say something along the lines of the army isn't sending a positive message by turning negative stereotypes around and who wants soldiers with compassion, excellent hand/eye co-ordination, reflexes and determination? "I think offering potential recruits better equipment, pay and conditions would be more useful, but giving these things to those currently serving would be even better. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
Ah, so your original post was in fact meant to say something along the lines of the army isn't sending a positive message by turning negative stereotypes around and who wants soldiers with compassion, excellent hand/eye co-ordination, reflexes and determination?
I think offering potential recruits better equipment, pay and conditions would be more useful, but giving these things to those currently serving would be even better."The kit has improved a lot over the last decade, better boots, better wet/cold weather kit, improved rations, vehicles that can withstand IED's better etc. Problem is we're equipped to fight the last war, not the next one which is likely to be peer to peer (an enemy with the same capability as us). | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature? "If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military? Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.""The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order." Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion. | |||
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"Id never fight in the army " Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again.... | |||
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"I couldn't kill anyone " You could, you're just one of those good people who doesn't want to. I didn't want to. In fact just before I was deployed, I prayed I didn't have to, also begged for my own saftey, I'm not even religious! Only reason I joined, was that I believed all the patriotical bullshit and honestly thought that by joining up, that I was doing my bit, for all of us, keeping us safe in our beds at night. It's not till I was sent somewhere really nasty, that I realised.. the majority of you aren't worth dying for. That this country is corrupt, irrational, hypocritical, selfish to the point of destruction... and that the country and people I was asked to invade, were probably far more deserving and in need of my help, than most of you. I'm happy to hear you say that you couldn't kill. I know you're capable and respect you for feeling so strongly, that you don't think you could do it. Unfortunately, fate occasionally intervenes and will put some of us in a kill or be killed situation. Watch the little snowflake burn like a raging inferno. All those years of stifled and pent up aggression over moral injustice? You would become A Force of Nature my friend | |||
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"Id never fight in the army Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again...." The Royal Corps of Cuddlers will protect us all | |||
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"Id never fight in the army Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again...." I wouldn't. I'd take my children and leave. Fuck you all! I did my bit. I don't want a war and my kids don't deserve to live through one. | |||
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"Id never fight in the army Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again...." I know a bit about ww2 mate. I read an awful lot about about it, mostly the Eastern front. That's a tough question to answer, but I probably would have. We had to defend ourselves from an obvious Tyrant. WW1 was senseless that's why there's so much poetry about it. No poetry about ww2 as it had to be fought they where bombing our homes. But I wouldn't fight in today's wars as they're mostly started by people with different agendas mostly oil. Watch confessions of an economic hitman so see how the world really works. Certain people make a lot of money and commodities out of war and I want no part in that manipulation ....I could go on all day | |||
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"Id never fight in the army Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again.... The Royal Corps of Cuddlers will protect us all "Snowflakes stand up to bullies because they aren't scared. Bullies bully because they are. Give me a snowflake over a bully in a trench by my side every time. | |||
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"Id never fight in the army Not even if the UK faced a fight for existence like in 1940 when the German army was massing an invasion force on the French coast? It's only down to luck and bravery that the RAF managed to hold on to air superiority by the skin of their teeth. Don't forget that was in living memory of people who are still around today, it could happen again.... I know a bit about ww2 mate. I read an awful lot about about it, mostly the Eastern front. That's a tough question to answer, but I probably would have. We had to defend ourselves from an obvious Tyrant. WW1 was senseless that's why there's so much poetry about it. No poetry about ww2 as it had to be fought they where bombing our homes. But I wouldn't fight in today's wars as they're mostly started by people with different agendas mostly oil. Watch confessions of an economic hitman so see how the world really works. Certain people make a lot of money and commodities out of war and I want no part in that manipulation ....I could go on all day " | |||
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"And I'm far from a snowflake, I've run pubs in Liverpool. Not for the faint hearted "Apparently I am Like every insult, I'll wear it like a badge of honour, right next to my shiny medals | |||
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"This country has stayed free by people showing some balls and fighting for it " We've invaded a few to be fair mate America are still empire building through the banking system right now. Believe it or not, we might be the bad guy. Watch confessions of an economic hitman on YouTube | |||
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"This country has stayed free by people showing some balls and fighting for it " Whilst partially true, it's not really the whole truth of the matter is it? You could say.. that we've stayed free, by people showing some balls (and flaps!) and fighting for it. Using our technological advances to dominate and imprison other nations so we remain on top. Personally I'd argue about how whether we are free. | |||
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"This country has stayed free by people showing some balls and fighting for it Whilst partially true, it's not really the whole truth of the matter is it? You could say.. that we've stayed free, by people showing some balls (and flaps!) and fighting for it. Using our technological advances to dominate and imprison other nations so we remain on top. Personally I'd argue about how whether we are free." We are not free at all. We live in indentured servitude to bankers. From the man in the street to our governments. | |||
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"This country has stayed free by people showing some balls and fighting for it " Here ladies and gents is a leave voter | |||
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"This country has stayed free by people showing some balls and fighting for it Here ladies and gents is a leave voter " | |||
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" would be the easiest army to beat ever. Sun Tzu strategies wouldn't be required."Cannot remember Tzu take on bullets. | |||
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"As usual, some of you desperately need to actually click the link and look at the article, instead of leaping to ill-informed conclusions." The conversation just evolved mate x | |||
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"The conversation just evolved mate x" There are two things happening; yes, there’s a discussion about the term, but there are also a fair few posts from people who have read the OP and jumped to conclusions. Thanks for the attempt at condescension, though. | |||
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"As usual, some of you desperately need to actually click the link and look at the article, instead of leaping to ill-informed conclusions." I think most of us stayed on topic. The article is about the armys tactic at recruiting Millenials. The OP asked if it sent a good message? Admittedly none of us answered his question, but like any good thread, it twists and turns. I'm wondering which of us you think is ill informed...... | |||
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"The conversation just evolved mate x There are two things happening; yes, there’s a discussion about the term, but there are also a fair few posts from people who have read the OP and jumped to conclusions. Thanks for the attempt at condescension, though." That wasn't my aim. I apologise | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion."Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision. I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you. | |||
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"Anybody can be turned into a soldier. " Not true, many biff out on selection or the first part of training because they can't hack the physical side of it or having to function on little sleep. | |||
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"Anybody can be turned into a soldier. Not true, many biff out on selection or the first part of training because they can't hack the physical side of it or having to function on little sleep." A lot leave because they realise they don't feel the need to be broken and moulded into something else. Not every soldier is made in an Army barracks. Many are left with little choice, many are forced into it and some even born into violence. Not every soldier wears a uniform, not every soldier fights in battles. Anyone can be a soldier. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you. "I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways."The military high command really don't like the lower ranks questioning orders, particularly when they aren't aware of why they were given. They are simply expected to carry them out in accordance with their training. You would have to have a massively compelling reason to go against orders and still expect to be berated if not prosecuted under the miltary justice system. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
The military high command really don't like the lower ranks questioning orders, particularly when they aren't aware of why they were given. They are simply expected to carry them out in accordance with their training. You would have to have a massively compelling reason to go against orders and still expect to be berated if not prosecuted under the miltary justice system."Well like I said earlier, I took that risk and thankfully made the correct decision at the time. No court case, you've never heard of it, because I stopped it from happening. So I'd advise everybody to question orders that don't sound right. You'll most likely be in Court one way or the other. I'd rather be there defending my decision to not kill innocent people, than for murdering them. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways."I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person.. Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense.. Job still got done just a couple of hours later.. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later.. "If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation"I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion.. Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through.. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation"Not end of at all. Like I said, i didn't, because I made the right decision. I was punished with an awful end of year report. A trade off ill happily take to save lives, even though it's something I should have been promoted on, not punished for. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through.. "I meant in camp, orders on ops is completely different.. also depends on your rank. A private disobeying orders in the first few weeks of being in BN is completely different to a csgt disobeying orders on ops... | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through.. "If a staff sergeant overrule a 2nd lieutenant, it's often accepted, due to experience. Provided it's done respectfully. I see no difference if a private overrules a Staff Sergeant, even if experience does come into it. My boss panicked and put a lot of lives in danger. I appreciate orders should be followed and tgat if they're not, the chain of command may collapse. If you know something's wrong though, don't do it, is my advice. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through..
I meant in camp, orders on ops is completely different.. also depends on your rank. A private disobeying orders in the first few weeks of being in BN is completely different to a csgt disobeying orders on ops..."True.. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through..
If a staff sergeant overrule a 2nd lieutenant, it's often accepted, due to experience. Provided it's done respectfully.
I see no difference if a private overrules a Staff Sergeant, even if experience does come into it. My boss panicked and put a lot of lives in danger. I appreciate orders should be followed and tgat if they're not, the chain of command may collapse.
If you know something's wrong though, don't do it, is my advice. "Sums it up.. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through..
If a staff sergeant overrule a 2nd lieutenant, it's often accepted, due to experience. Provided it's done respectfully.
I see no difference if a private overrules a Staff Sergeant, even if experience does come into it. My boss panicked and put a lot of lives in danger. I appreciate orders should be followed and tgat if they're not, the chain of command may collapse.
If you know something's wrong though, don't do it, is my advice. "Isn't that covered under MATT 7 LOAC? I've sat through enough PowerPoints on it. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through..
If a staff sergeant overrule a 2nd lieutenant, it's often accepted, due to experience. Provided it's done respectfully.
I see no difference if a private overrules a Staff Sergeant, even if experience does come into it. My boss panicked and put a lot of lives in danger. I appreciate orders should be followed and tgat if they're not, the chain of command may collapse.
If you know something's wrong though, don't do it, is my advice.
Isn't that covered under MATT 7 LOAC? I've sat through enough PowerPoints on it. "Maybe, I think the padre briefly touched on it in basic, which I wasn't listening to because I was angry at being made to attend something run by a religious organisation when I'm Atheist  | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/uk-army-recruitment-ads-target-snowflake-millennials It doesn't seem a very positive message to encourage potential recruits
The whole of the text on their posters is rather important here
That's why I included the link
But the posters make it pretty clear that being addressed as a snowflake (or any of the other derogatory terms) by someone would be flipped around to being seen as someone with compassion by the army. How is that not positive?
Excellent point What enemy wouldn't want to face a soldier recruited on the grounds of their compassionate nature?
If our the people in our Armed Forces were less brainwashed and more compassionate.. perhaps we'd be able to eradicate most cases of depression and PTSD? Possibly avoid incidents like the Marine A execution, bullying, institutionalization and suicide in the Veterans this country "Claims" To care for? Surely that'd make a stronger Military?
Don't doubt anyone's ability to exercise extreme levels of violence, we're all human. The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order. So you'd best have a rock solid case for risking their lives in the first place.. Hopefully avoiding more controversial conflicts like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few.
"The best bit about a warrior with empathy.. is that they won't just carry out any order."
Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion.
Yes I did, check an earlier post. I didn't need a conflab with ANYONE when I disobeyed a direct order that saved innocent lives. Was proven to be the correct decision.
I get what you're saying. Correct orders should be followed, trouble is, most of the orders are bullshit and get the wrong people killed. Nobody dares stick their neck on the line to say "No this is wrong". Just following orders doesn't help you once you've left, doesn't make the nightmares go away, it doesn't absolve you.
I respect your opinion, but I do think disobeying a direct order sets a dangerous precedent. Military personnel need a hell of a lot better back-up than they currently get, in all ways.
I would like to think that any decent minded thinking member of the military would disobey an unlawful order, been too many occasions albeit a small number but nevertheless with life changing or fatal consequences where others have blindly followed a stronger equal rank or higher ranked person..
Once had someone order me to operate a piece of plant which I had told him was defective, when I asked for it in writing he saw sense..
Job still got done just a couple of hours later..
If you disobey an order you will get disciplinary action end of. If a group of soldiers disobey orders they will get disciplined. Military court etc considering the situation
I did just under 14yrs, believe you me I've seen orders given and not obeyed in a jump to it now fashion..
Shit, pointless and possibly dangerous decisions by inexperienced people are often reviewed and its part of the learning process many newly promoted people go through..
If a staff sergeant overrule a 2nd lieutenant, it's often accepted, due to experience. Provided it's done respectfully.
I see no difference if a private overrules a Staff Sergeant, even if experience does come into it. My boss panicked and put a lot of lives in danger. I appreciate orders should be followed and tgat if they're not, the chain of command may collapse.
If you know something's wrong though, don't do it, is my advice.
Isn't that covered under MATT 7 LOAC? I've sat through enough PowerPoints on it. "Been a while to be fair but think it was covered in lectures on Manual of Military law, international law etc in basic and on promotion cadres.. | |||
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"God imagine if we didn't have armies anymore, stopped fighting pointlessly. Poured all that defense money into conservation or affordable housing or hospitals or science or the arts. A noble idea until a country that does have an army wants what we have and rolls all over us to take it. " I meant nobody has an army. Contrarry to popular belief, the world has enough for everyone. It's not overpopulated, it's overprocessed. We don't need to fight each other it's fucking stupidm A world run by women is what we need to sort it out. Not even joking. | |||
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"Have you ever served in the military? Do you think all military personnel should have a meeting to discuss whether they agree with the orders before carrying them out? An order is an order, not a suggestion." This is 100% false. Obey an illegal order and you go to jail. Following orders will not float in any military court ever, ever, ever. It may lessen your sentence but you will still go to jail and be disgraced. The person who gave you the order will go to jail for longer than you. You 100% disobey any illegal direct order. It's been that way for all our lives. The rules of engagement can also change from situation to situation. In one instance you can be kicked out of the army for not shooting dead everyone you see with a gun, in others you can go to jail for shooting dead someone standing infront of you screaming shooting in the air. Sometimes you can shoot dead someone for throwing a stone at a building, other times you will spend life in prison for it. One of the most interesting things is flags, you can beat people and shoot them for wearing a flag, and stuff. | |||
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"God imagine if we didn't have armies anymore, stopped fighting pointlessly. Poured all that defense money into conservation or affordable housing or hospitals or science or the arts. A noble idea until a country that does have an army wants what we have and rolls all over us to take it. I meant nobody has an army. Contrarry to popular belief, the world has enough for everyone. It's not overpopulated, it's overprocessed. We don't need to fight each other it's fucking stupidm A world run by women is what we need to sort it out. Not even joking." Margaret Thatcher sunk the Belgrano outside of the officially designated war zone after declaring war on Argentina. She also allowed the SAS to act with near impunity during The Troubles. Never underestimate a woman. | |||
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