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"Yep , you read it correctly , Brighton and Hove council have decided it’s a good idea to teach kids in their schools that boys as well as girls can menstruate . So sanitary product bins will be in male as well as female toilets . By that reckoning , it won’t be long before we are teaching kids that childbirth is no longer limited to women , men can get pregnant and give birth too . Now I await the responses like ‘ of course a man can have a period , as he is a she identifying as a he ‘ , and so on . But I’m sorry , this is surely a step too far isn’t it ? How does the current school curriculum cope with basic human anytime and biology these days ? . " Utter bollocks. The only way a guy can bleed from between his legs is if he's caught his knob in his zip or someone's given him a seriously hard kick in the nads. A | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website ." Hope you didn't think I was saying utter bollocks to you. 
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"Not at all , I found it hard to believe too until I read it . As Crimson has said , it may address issues associated with girls transitioning to boys , but I didn’t know they could at school age . And if they do fully transition , do they still have periods ? I would have thought the hormones would put paid to them ? | |||
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Not at all , I found it hard to believe too until I read it . As Crimson has said , it may address issues associated with girls transitioning to boys , but I didn’t know they could at school age . And if they do fully transition , do they still have periods ? I would have thought the hormones would put paid to them ? "Yep. I agree. I've no issue with education, inclusion and support. But there needs to be a common sense approach. And I don't think this makes any sense at all. A | |||
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Not at all , I found it hard to believe too until I read it . As Crimson has said , it may address issues associated with girls transitioning to boys , but I didn’t know they could at school age . And if they do fully transition , do they still have periods ? I would have thought the hormones would put paid to them ? "At our school the transgender students use the disabled toilets and for PE. Most don't get hormone treatment til they're much older than secondary age to rule out a 'phase'. It takes a long process with tons of psychological testing to rule out teenage hormones | |||
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"Surely it’s better if everyone has a better understanding of menstration, sexuality and the nuts and bolts of the sexual functions of men and women regardless? Knowledge is never a burden." Well I know that knowledge has changed since I was at school , because boys didn’t have periods back then ! | |||
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"Yep , you read it correctly , Brighton and Hove council have decided it’s a good idea to teach kids in their schools that boys as well as girls can menstruate . So sanitary product bins will be in male as well as female toilets . By that reckoning , it won’t be long before we are teaching kids that childbirth is no longer limited to women , men can get pregnant and give birth too . Now I await the responses like ‘ of course a man can have a period , as he is a she identifying as a he ‘ , and so on . But I’m sorry , this is surely a step too far isn’t it ? How does the current school curriculum cope with basic human anytime and biology these days ? . " Based on experience of virtually all “political correctness gone mad” stories mostly turning out to be, well, bollocks (neither Christmas nor hot cross buns ever actually were banned for example), the official source of this story would be interesting to read.....? | |||
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" Treatment for children and young people If your child is under 18 and thought to have gender dysphoria, they'll usually be referred to a specialist child and adolescent Gender Identity Clinic (GIC). Staff at these clinics can carry out a detailed assessment of your child, to help them determine what support they need. Depending on the results of this assessment, the options for children and young people with suspected gender dysphoria can include: family therapy individual child psychotherapy parental support or counselling group work for young people and their parents regular reviews to monitor gender identity development hormone therapy (see below) Your child’s treatment should be arranged with a multi-disciplinary team (MDT). This is a group of different healthcare professionals working together, which may include specialists such as mental health professionals and paediatric endocrinologists (specialists in hormone conditions in children). Most treatments offered at this stage are psychological, rather than medical or surgical. This is because the majority of children with suspected gender dysphoria don't have the condition once they reach puberty. Psychological support offers young people and their families a chance to discuss their thoughts and receive support to help them cope with the emotional distress of the condition, without rushing into more drastic treatments. " | |||
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"It's in case girls who see themselves as male and are in transition. I work in a school and we have a few transgender students. The basics need to be discussed to the other students but it's all gone a bit snowflake. Keep issues private and let other kids just carry on!" Can men who transition into women have periods and conceive? | |||
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"They are changing it because it is factually correct. If there is a f2m change, he will have periods. You can't start changing the pronoun that they identify with just because it doesn't fit with your way of thinking. Or would you change the child's name back to female too? Children are extremely unlikely to be able to have surgery before they are 18. This is the info from the NHS website on transitioning for Young People. Treatment for children and young people If your child is under 18 and thought to have gender dysphoria, they'll usually be referred to a specialist child and adolescent Gender Identity Clinic (GIC). Staff at these clinics can carry out a detailed assessment of your child, to help them determine what support they need. Depending on the results of this assessment, the options for children and young people with suspected gender dysphoria can include: family therapy individual child psychotherapy parental support or counselling group work for young people and their parents regular reviews to monitor gender identity development hormone therapy (see below) Your child’s treatment should be arranged with a multi-disciplinary team (MDT). This is a group of different healthcare professionals working together, which may include specialists such as mental health professionals and paediatric endocrinologists (specialists in hormone conditions in children). Most treatments offered at this stage are psychological, rather than medical or surgical. This is because the majority of children with suspected gender dysphoria don't have the condition once they reach puberty. Psychological support offers young people and their families a chance to discuss their thoughts and receive support to help them cope with the emotional distress of the condition, without rushing into more drastic treatments. " Ah, I understand now. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website ." So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. | |||
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"Yep , you read it correctly , Brighton and Hove council have decided it’s a good idea to teach kids in their schools that boys as well as girls can menstruate . So sanitary product bins will be in male as well as female toilets . By that reckoning , it won’t be long before we are teaching kids that childbirth is no longer limited to women , men can get pregnant and give birth too . Now I await the responses like ‘ of course a man can have a period , as he is a she identifying as a he ‘ , and so on . But I’m sorry , this is surely a step too far isn’t it ? How does the current school curriculum cope with basic human anytime and biology these days ? . Based on experience of virtually all “political correctness gone mad” stories mostly turning out to be, well, bollocks (neither Christmas nor hot cross buns ever actually were banned for example), the official source of this story would be interesting to read.....?" Rather than the sensationalised media coverage (from a month ago), this is the link to the actual toolkit issued to schools at the beginning of October (so yes, it took over a month to hit the papers and a further month to hit here). http://gids.nhs.uk/guidance-schools | |||
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I grew up in a simpler time and had very little knowledge of anything to do with sexuality.
Apart from porn mags found in bushes 
Gender identity is a fairly new thing for me to get my head around - I think the youngsters now are far more open minded and will embrace it with open arms.
I say why not.
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? .............." shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere" Transphobic actually. | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually." Can Trans have periods? Not trolling | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually." how can you tell he has a phobia (irrational fear) of trans people from that question? | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”." The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . | |||
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"It's not a bad idea teaching both sexes about periods, it might prevent adult males being so naive about the whole mechanics or it.. which is only nature after all "That already happens. but I think that this is about male menstruation which I didn't know was humanly biologically possible. | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. Can Trans have periods? Not trolling " Yes. If you read my post above then you'd see that it's only in rare circumstances that they will do surgery to change. Not sure if the hormones would stop them, but they would have to be prescribed. If it's anything like the process for an adult transitioning, it would take a long time before they are prescribed. | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. Can Trans have periods? Not trolling Yes. If you read my post above then you'd see that it's only in rare circumstances that they will do surgery to change. Not sure if the hormones would stop them, but they would have to be prescribed. If it's anything like the process for an adult transitioning, it would take a long time before they are prescribed." So how was my question transphobic? | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. Can Trans have periods? Not trolling Yes. If you read my post above then you'd see that it's only in rare circumstances that they will do surgery to change. Not sure if the hormones would stop them, but they would have to be prescribed. If it's anything like the process for an adult transitioning, it would take a long time before they are prescribed. So how was my question transphobic? " I asked something similar. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . " Nothing I have posted has backed your op up. It isn't saying that children will be taught "boys can have periods too" as per the headline, but that it's not just women and girls. Semantics, but they are different! | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. Can Trans have periods? Not trolling Yes. If you read my post above then you'd see that it's only in rare circumstances that they will do surgery to change. Not sure if the hormones would stop them, but they would have to be prescribed. If it's anything like the process for an adult transitioning, it would take a long time before they are prescribed. So how was my question transphobic? " It wasn't. | |||
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"This is indeed a Brave New World... With over 30 years of conditioning i have now come to accept that the world I live in is no longer the world I was born into... " That's very deep! But very true. | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. how can you tell he has a phobia (irrational fear) of trans people from that question? " It's not the question I was correcting. It wouldn't be sexist, but transphobic (but it actually isn't). | |||
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"Blimey if my other half was bleeding from his penis he’d be flapping big time . What on Earth is the world coming to? " It’s almost as if that’s not what anyone is actually saying. A good rule of thumb with something like this is if you think the jist of what is being said sounds utterly ridiculous, then it’s probably bollocks, or at least not as straightforward as is being suggested. A great little animation did the rounds on Facebook a year or two illustrating two distinct groups of people. The first just get blindly outraged and share stuff without batting an eyelid, the second think ‘hang on... that doesn’t sound right.... spend 30 seconds on Google and discover that what is actually happening bears little or no resemblance to what was originally suggested or reported. | |||
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"Blimey if my other half was bleeding from his penis he’d be flapping big time . What on Earth is the world coming to? It’s almost as if that’s not what anyone is actually saying. A good rule of thumb with something like this is if you think the jist of what is being said sounds utterly ridiculous, then it’s probably bollocks, or at least not as straightforward as is being suggested. A great little animation did the rounds on Facebook a year or two illustrating two distinct groups of people. The first just get blindly outraged and share stuff without batting an eyelid, the second think ‘hang on... that doesn’t sound right.... spend 30 seconds on Google and discover that what is actually happening bears little or no resemblance to what was originally suggested or reported." | |||
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"It's in case girls who see themselves as male and are in transition. I work in a school and we have a few transgender students. The basics need to be discussed to the other students but it's all gone a bit snowflake. Keep issues private and let other kids just carry on! Can men who transition into women have periods and conceive?" NO!!!! | |||
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"It's in case girls who see themselves as male and are in transition. I work in a school and we have a few transgender students. The basics need to be discussed to the other students but it's all gone a bit snowflake. Keep issues private and let other kids just carry on! Can men who transition into women have periods and conceive? NO!!!!" Was just making sure, no need to be alarmed. | |||
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"Humans that have XX chromosomes are female, humans that have XY chromosomes are male, it’s that straight forward... Identify this, identify that, preaching that XY can have periods to satisfy some feeling?? Pffft "To be fair, I think society has evolved past that... as has basic knowledge of human biology as well as human psyche. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . " The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. | |||
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"Humans that have XX chromosomes are female, humans that have XY chromosomes are male, it’s that straight forward... Identify this, identify that, preaching that XY can have periods to satisfy some feeling?? Pffft
To be fair, I think society has evolved past that... as has basic knowledge of human biology as well as human psyche.
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"It's hard enough for girls who aren't transitioning to deal with periods in school. How hard must it be for those who use boys toilets. " I kind of think that's the crux of it all. Biologically there's people who have uteruses and those who don't, of course, but it's people who decided on segregation of gender roles, expectations, even toilets based on that. Those conventions can evolve, but people are so attached to them being the natural order that any break from it is deemed abnormal. | |||
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"Humans that have XX chromosomes are female, humans that have XY chromosomes are male, it’s that straight forward... Identify this, identify that, preaching that XY can have periods to satisfy some feeling?? Pffft
To be fair, I think society has evolved past that... as has basic knowledge of human biology as well as human psyche.
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I've worked as hard as I can to remove all blanket statements and to avoid the tactics journalists use to drive the outrage bus, i.e. Omitting detail from reports and headlines and paraphrasing the truth to squeeze out the maximum amount of impact.
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually." surley if trans is now a sex then sexist must apply i fear knowone | |||
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"Trans isn't a sex. " Technically accurate but I do believe the word ‘sexist’ refers to gender discrimination even though it’s etymology is sexual discrimination. | |||
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"Trans isn't a sex. " ok cool then why the eggshells then im confused | |||
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"Trans isn't a sex. ok cool then why the eggshells then im confused" I think she was sarcastically arguing semantics, sex and gender are 2 separate concepts | |||
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" Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. " It's usually the adults who have the problem, not the kids. Humans become more resistant to change the older they become. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual." Good post - but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. OP is a complete reactionary who like many of his ilk seems to actively enjoy being outraged by 'PC gone mad'. You'll not be able to tear him away from that with little things like facts and logic. | |||
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"It's in case girls who see themselves as male and are in transition. I work in a school and we have a few transgender students. The basics need to be discussed to the other students but it's all gone a bit snowflake. Keep issues private and let other kids just carry on! Can men who transition into women have periods and conceive? NO!!!!" Thomas Beattie did twice, a female to male transexual has had two children. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Good post - but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. OP is a complete reactionary who like many of his ilk seems to actively enjoy being outraged by 'PC gone mad'. You'll not be able to tear him away from that with little things like facts and logic." The op ,( myself ) , and my ilk are still a major part of the population . I certainly don’t enjoy being outraged by PC gone mad , but I do worry that the trend toward the overall population having to put up with stuff like this is ridiculous . I appreciate you telling the poster about how I’m this and that , and that he won’t be able to tear me away from that with little things like facts and logic , but your version of facts aren’t the same as mine , and as for logic ? I’m not sure you know what that is to be honest . There’s no logic in teaching children this for the sake of the odd trans or non binary who will probably grow out if it eventually anyway . And if it encourages others to go the same way , then that makes no logical sense either . I’m sure there are far more important things for the kids to be taught than how trans boys and men and non binary people can have periods as well as girls and women . | |||
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"It's hard enough for girls who aren't transitioning to deal with periods in school. How hard must it be for those who use boys toilets. I kind of think that's the crux of it all. Biologically there's people who have uteruses and those who don't, of course, but it's people who decided on segregation of gender roles, expectations, even toilets based on that. Those conventions can evolve, but people are so attached to them being the natural order that any break from it is deemed abnormal." | |||
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"It's hard enough for girls who aren't transitioning to deal with periods in school. How hard must it be for those who use boys toilets. I kind of think that's the crux of it all. Biologically there's people who have uteruses and those who don't, of course, but it's people who decided on segregation of gender roles, expectations, even toilets based on that. Those conventions can evolve, but people are so attached to them being the natural order that any break from it is deemed abnormal. "Blew my mind away too | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual." Are you sure about the last paragraph ? I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then . | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Good post - but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. OP is a complete reactionary who like many of his ilk seems to actively enjoy being outraged by 'PC gone mad'. You'll not be able to tear him away from that with little things like facts and logic. The op ,( myself ) , and my ilk are still a major part of the population . I certainly don’t enjoy being outraged by PC gone mad , but I do worry that the trend toward the overall population having to put up with stuff like this is ridiculous . I appreciate you telling the poster about how I’m this and that , and that he won’t be able to tear me away from that with little things like facts and logic , but your version of facts aren’t the same as mine , and as for logic ? I’m not sure you know what that is to be honest . There’s no logic in teaching children this for the sake of the odd trans or non binary who will probably grow out if it eventually anyway . And if it encourages others to go the same way , then that makes no logical sense either . I’m sure there are far more important things for the kids to be taught than how trans boys and men and non binary people can have periods as well as girls and women . " Actually, they are more likely to grow into it rather than out of it. According to the NHS website. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Are you sure about the last paragraph ? I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then ." They've always been there, just had to hide because it was socially unacceptable (and illegal). | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually." Or true? | |||
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"They are changing it because it is factually correct. If there is a f2m change, he will have periods. You can't start changing the pronoun that they identify with just because it doesn't fit with your way of thinking. Or would you change the child's name back to female too? Children are extremely unlikely to be able to have surgery before they are 18. This is the info from the NHS website on transitioning for Young People. Treatment for children and young people If your child is under 18 and thought to have gender dysphoria, they'll usually be referred to a specialist child and adolescent Gender Identity Clinic (GIC). Staff at these clinics can carry out a detailed assessment of your child, to help them determine what support they need. Depending on the results of this assessment, the options for children and young people with suspected gender dysphoria can include: family therapy individual child psychotherapy parental support or counselling group work for young people and their parents regular reviews to monitor gender identity development hormone therapy (see below) Your child’s treatment should be arranged with a multi-disciplinary team (MDT). This is a group of different healthcare professionals working together, which may include specialists such as mental health professionals and paediatric endocrinologists (specialists in hormone conditions in children). Most treatments offered at this stage are psychological, rather than medical or surgical. This is because the majority of children with suspected gender dysphoria don't have the condition once they reach puberty. Psychological support offers young people and their families a chance to discuss their thoughts and receive support to help them cope with the emotional distress of the condition, without rushing into more drastic treatments. " The last paragraph suggests otherwise ? | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Are you sure about the last paragraph ? I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then . They've always been there, just had to hide because it was socially unacceptable (and illegal)." Nah, they were quietly plotting a planned assault. The Revolution will be televised! | |||
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"I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then ." Good grief. You being more aware of something does not mean that that thing is on the increase. Do you know why more men are marrying men and more women are marrying women? Because they weren’t allowed to before. They still aren’t, in a lot of places. That doesn’t mean that the ability to marry a man turned anyone into a homosexual. Being taught about homosexuality didn’t turn people into homosexuals any more than being taught about woodwork turned them into a pencil case. As for your fucking shameful arguments about why we should have to ‘put up with’ things that only benefit a few people? How fucking privileged are you? It’s selfish, small-minded, blinkered, reprehensible way to think. What fucking harm does it do you to have a sanitary bin in a toilet cubicle? None. But it makes a world of positive difference to someone else. Maybe we should knock down all the churches, because they’re actually teaching people that a sky fairy can make you live forever. Only a minority of people go there, so why should the rest of us put up with it? While we’re on it, there are only a handful of black people in my town, yet I had to put up with my school teaching us about civil rights. Why should I have to listen to that? Maybe if people spent more time being considerate of others feelings, and less time jumping on the outrage bandwagon about things that affect them not one jot, the world would be a better place. Instead, we have to put up with the rancid, hateful ignorance that you see in this thread. | |||
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"Do you eat the kebab with chilli sauce though? That’s the big question here surely. Finally someone with the strength and moral conviction who’s unafraid to ask the hard questions. I tip my hat to you sir. With chilli for me please, mustard too if you have it"
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"I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then . Good grief. You being more aware of something does not mean that that thing is on the increase. Do you know why more men are marrying men and more women are marrying women? Because they weren’t allowed to before. They still aren’t, in a lot of places. That doesn’t mean that the ability to marry a man turned anyone into a homosexual. Being taught about homosexuality didn’t turn people into homosexuals any more than being taught about woodwork turned them into a pencil case. As for your fucking shameful arguments about why we should have to ‘put up with’ things that only benefit a few people? How fucking privileged are you? It’s selfish, small-minded, blinkered, reprehensible way to think. What fucking harm does it do you to have a sanitary bin in a toilet cubicle? None. But it makes a world of positive difference to someone else. Maybe we should knock down all the churches, because they’re actually teaching people that a sky fairy can make you live forever. Only a minority of people go there, so why should the rest of us put up with it? While we’re on it, there are only a handful of black people in my town, yet I had to put up with my school teaching us about civil rights. Why should I have to listen to that? Maybe if people spent more time being considerate of others feelings, and less time jumping on the outrage bandwagon about things that affect them not one jot, the world would be a better place. Instead, we have to put up with the rancid, hateful ignorance that you see in this thread." Wow wow wow! Blasphemy! Not the churches dude. At least not until I’ve had a chance to bring my most depraved fantasy to fruition. Sodomy in the confession booth, and indeed the altar, facing the crucifix. What can say, I’m Catholic (by inheritance not belief I should add) | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual." Yep , ‘ Boys can have periods too , children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners ‘ Which in reality is still as outrageous as I first suggested . Outrageous because the campaigners have got their way . I can imagine them sitting there laughing and saying ‘ I told you we could get schools to teach that boys can have periods too ‘ , because that’s how things have become these days . Nothing would shock me now . I was probably 14 or 15 before I even knew what a period was , and I didn’t know what a homosexual was either . It never occurred to me or anyone I knew to identify as anything other than a teenage boy or girl , depending on our sex . I honestly knew no gay boys or girls . Nor bi either , and I don’t feel I missed out on anything . If I had teachers telling me that a boy could have a period because he is a girl identifying as a boy the teachers would have been laughed out of the class . And quite rightly as boys were boys and girls were girls . No girls claimed to be boys and said they wanted bins for used tampons in the boys toilets . It was unheard of . So it’s any wonder I find this kind of thing crazy isn’t it ? | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Yep , ‘ Boys can have periods too , children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners ‘ Which in reality is still as outrageous as I first suggested . Outrageous because the campaigners have got their way . I can imagine them sitting there laughing and saying ‘ I told you we could get schools to teach that boys can have periods too ‘ , because that’s how things have become these days . Nothing would shock me now . I was probably 14 or 15 before I even knew what a period was , and I didn’t know what a homosexual was either . It never occurred to me or anyone I knew to identify as anything other than a teenage boy or girl , depending on our sex . I honestly knew no gay boys or girls . Nor bi either , and I don’t feel I missed out on anything . If I had teachers telling me that a boy could have a period because he is a girl identifying as a boy the teachers would have been laughed out of the class . And quite rightly as boys were boys and girls were girls . No girls claimed to be boys and said they wanted bins for used tampons in the boys toilets . It was unheard of . So it’s any wonder I find this kind of thing crazy isn’t it ? " Of course you knew gay boys and girls. They just weren’t out, because it wasn’t safe to be. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Are you sure about the last paragraph ? I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then ." Actual facepalm moment.
Yes, I’m absolutely sure that people didn’t ‘turn gay’ because they were taught about homosexuality in school or saw two men or women kissing each other in soap operas.
I doubt there has been a massive increase in homosexual relationships at all. What seems far more likely is that more people became more open about their homosexuality over time as a result of changing attitudes, and increased tolerance and acceptance in society.
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Good post - but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. OP is a complete reactionary who like many of his ilk seems to actively enjoy being outraged by 'PC gone mad'. You'll not be able to tear him away from that with little things like facts and logic. The op ,( myself ) , and my ilk are still a major part of the population . I certainly don’t enjoy being outraged by PC gone mad , but I do worry that the trend toward the overall population having to put up with stuff like this is ridiculous . I appreciate you telling the poster about how I’m this and that , and that he won’t be able to tear me away from that with little things like facts and logic , but your version of facts aren’t the same as mine , and as for logic ? I’m not sure you know what that is to be honest . There’s no logic in teaching children this for the sake of the odd trans or non binary who will probably grow out if it eventually anyway . And if it encourages others to go the same way , then that makes no logical sense either . I’m sure there are far more important things for the kids to be taught than how trans boys and men and non binary people can have periods as well as girls and women . " You might not enjoy it, but in this example you’ve done a good job of twisting the story and reducing it to something it absolutely isn’t, along with grossly exaggerating it’s negative impact, ignored the positive inclusivity of it, and woefully underestimated both the quality of the education and chikdren’s ability to understand what they are being taught. As with homosexuality, I really doubt that kids will be encouraged to “go this way”, what with it usually being determined by chromosomes, not some fad of the week. And it’s an utter logical fallacy and straw man to suggest that this is being taught instead of something else. It will simply be a small part of existing sex ed stuff, rather than involve maths or English being dropped from the curriculum to make time for it. | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Yep , ‘ Boys can have periods too , children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners ‘ Which in reality is still as outrageous as I first suggested . Outrageous because the campaigners have got their way . I can imagine them sitting there laughing and saying ‘ I told you we could get schools to teach that boys can have periods too ‘ , because that’s how things have become these days . Nothing would shock me now . I was probably 14 or 15 before I even knew what a period was , and I didn’t know what a homosexual was either . It never occurred to me or anyone I knew to identify as anything other than a teenage boy or girl , depending on our sex . I honestly knew no gay boys or girls . Nor bi either , and I don’t feel I missed out on anything . If I had teachers telling me that a boy could have a period because he is a girl identifying as a boy the teachers would have been laughed out of the class . And quite rightly as boys were boys and girls were girls . No girls claimed to be boys and said they wanted bins for used tampons in the boys toilets . It was unheard of . So it’s any wonder I find this kind of thing crazy isn’t it ? " So using that logic, anything that was unheard of in the past is crazy in the present? What sort of bizarre way to look at the world is that? | |||
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"A simple google will verify this story . I read it on the Telegraph website . So you saw this part: ‘The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders". The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'". Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them. "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary." Which is quite different to your suggestion that they were simply teaching that “boys have periods”. The headline is ‘ Boys can have periods too ‘ , and yes I read everything you’ve quoted . Including girls and women and others who have periods . And that menstruation must be inclusive of all genders . I fail to see what you are trying to say here , the upshot is that nothing I said isn’t the case at all . You can try and be the ‘ clever ‘ one that tries to rubbish my op , but the fact is that your quotes are simply backing my post up . I truly hope this nonsense isn’t going to reach my sons school , because if they try to teach him that periods are something girls , women , trans boys and men and non binary have it’s a case of pc trans gone mad . As has been said many times over , the current non binary trend is like a fashion statement , and now it’s becoming a part of mainstream education ! Do we really want to encourage this nonsense ? What’s the world coming to when we sit back and let our kids grow up in an environment that actively encourages them to become boys who have periods ? I really struggle to accept this kind of thing , and it’s one thing saying it doesn’t affect me so I’ll ignore it , but I can’t when my son comes home from school and says they’ve taught him that boys have periods too . The headline is actually: “Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners” Is in which case, is there a reason you omitted the transgender reference? I’d say it was crucial to the entire context of the story. I don’t think that noting the entire ‘transgender’ is me being particularly clever. No-one is actively encouraging kids to actively become boys who have periods. It is simply healthy inclusivity, the sort of thing which has played a big part in younger generations finding something like homophobia an increasingly alien concept, which I would have thought can only ever be a good thing. Maybe have more faith in your son’s ability to understand what is being taught, which almost certainly won’t be reduced to something as simplistic as a newspaper headline. It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Yep , ‘ Boys can have periods too , children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners ‘ Which in reality is still as outrageous as I first suggested . Outrageous because the campaigners have got their way . I can imagine them sitting there laughing and saying ‘ I told you we could get schools to teach that boys can have periods too ‘ , because that’s how things have become these days . Nothing would shock me now . I was probably 14 or 15 before I even knew what a period was , and I didn’t know what a homosexual was either . It never occurred to me or anyone I knew to identify as anything other than a teenage boy or girl , depending on our sex . I honestly knew no gay boys or girls . Nor bi either , and I don’t feel I missed out on anything . If I had teachers telling me that a boy could have a period because he is a girl identifying as a boy the teachers would have been laughed out of the class . And quite rightly as boys were boys and girls were girls . No girls claimed to be boys and said they wanted bins for used tampons in the boys toilets . It was unheard of . So it’s any wonder I find this kind of thing crazy isn’t it ? So using that logic, anything that was unheard of in the past is crazy in the present? What sort of bizarre way to look at the world is that? "I don’t think it’s bizarre to look at the world in such a way at all . I honestly think kids are shown , and indeed after reading this , taught way too much too soon these days . They have no time to be kids , to just be and enjoy a childhood that isn’t expecting them to be this that or the other . By teaching this , there’s more going on in their heads , more confusion , more questions , more answers to questions they didn’t even ask . | |||
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"So it’s any wonder I find this kind of thing crazy isn’t it ? Not when you’re going out of your way to be so ignorant (in the strictest sense of the word). You’re still presenting headlines as facts, for crying out loud. High praise indeed ! I’m not going out of my way at all though . My ignorance ( in the strictest sense of the world ) comes naturally , just as your warm and endearing nature shines through every time you reply to one of my posts . I can feel a bromance developing here
I’m going to assume you’re the ‘A’ side of the couple, and I’m wondering what ‘S’ will feel about your views, seeing as she’s bisexual.
Rough seas ahead sailor. "She’s 20 years younger than me , and to be honest she sees this the same way as I do . I tried the whole bi thing myself a while back . It was ok for a while but I gave it up as it wasn’t all that . I’m sure we will be fine thanks  | |||
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" I don’t think it’s bizarre to look at the world in such a way at all . I honestly think kids are shown , and indeed after reading this , taught way too much too soon these days . They have no time to be kids , to just be and enjoy a childhood that isn’t expecting them to be this that or the other . By teaching this , there’s more going on in their heads , more confusion , more questions , more answers to questions they didn’t even ask . " Gay kids are kids too. Trans kids are kids too. During the dark years of section 28, when discussion of LGBT issues in schools was effectively banned, these children were terribly isolated. The suicide rate (attempted and actual) amongst LGBT children and young people remains extremely disproportionately high. Active attempts at improving understanding and inclusion are to be welcomed. It’s unlikely these small changes will negatively impact the straight kids. But they could make all the difference in the world to vulnerable LGBT kids. | |||
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" I don’t think it’s bizarre to look at the world in such a way at all . I honestly think kids are shown , and indeed after reading this , taught way too much too soon these days . They have no time to be kids , to just be and enjoy a childhood that isn’t expecting them to be this that or the other . By teaching this , there’s more going on in their heads , more confusion , more questions , more answers to questions they didn’t even ask . Gay kids are kids too. Trans kids are kids too. During the dark years of section 28, when discussion of LGBT issues in schools was effectively banned, these children were terribly isolated. The suicide rate (attempted and actual) amongst LGBT children and young people remains extremely disproportionately high. Active attempts at improving understanding and inclusion are to be welcomed. It’s unlikely these small changes will negatively impact the straight kids. But they could make all the difference in the world to vulnerable LGBT kids. Now that post makes sense , and I guess you’re right . As long as the education is realistic and not overly catering to the attention seeking individuals , if it does help even just one child it’s worth it . Good post making a good point without being rude and offensive "I talked about inclusivity. I talked about how you were exaggerating the negative impact of this. I talked about how the education would likely not be reduced to the simplistic notion that “boys have periods”. I’m pretty sure I talked about those things without being rude or offensive. That you are insinuating otherwise is actually kinda offensive. | |||
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I talked about inclusivity.
I talked about how you were exaggerating the negative impact of this.
I talked about how the education would likely not be reduced to the simplistic notion that “boys have periods”.
I’m pretty sure I talked about those things without being rude or offensive. That you are insinuating otherwise is actually kinda offensive.
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"The fact you didn’t respond to his posts in the same manner." After reading her post I stopped and thought for a moment . I thought how’s the teenager in the wrong body may feel . Isolated , afraid , unsure how to be etc..... I didn’t feel like that after any of his posts . But I didn’t feel like his posts were rude either . | |||
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"Yep , you read it correctly , Brighton and Hove council have decided it’s a good idea to teach kids in their schools that boys as well as girls can menstruate . So sanitary product bins will be in male as well as female toilets . By that reckoning , it won’t be long before we are teaching kids that childbirth is no longer limited to women , men can get pregnant and give birth too . Now I await the responses like ‘ of course a man can have a period , as he is a she identifying as a he ‘ , and so on . But I’m sorry , this is surely a step too far isn’t it ? How does the current school curriculum cope with basic human anytime and biology these days ? . " Yep...read the article and thought it was official: I'd now heard it all...but not quite. Article that topped that was the African soldier suing the Mod for not protecting him against the British winter...but I digress. | |||
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"It’s a shame you didn’t stop and think a lot earlier. It’s amazing what stopping and thinking can achieve." I don’t think that’s necessarily the case . Why ? Because if I hadn’t carried on and got the reaction that she gave me , then I wouldn’t have understood in the way I do now . And as I’m sure you’re aware , there are an awful lot more like me around . And if only a few of us change our thinking as a result of a thread like this , it’s been a resounding success . | |||
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I liked it Steve. I was going to do a timetable pun, but you kinda stole my thunder."To be fair , I liked it too | |||
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"Fuck it. When I was at school I had five periods a day." Say it loud and say it proud (wish I could put a strong arm emoji here) | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. Can Trans have periods? Not trolling " Periods themselves as in the bleeding no because they don’t have ovaries and and a womb, the can and do however experience mood swings tender breasts etc that women feel during menstrual cycles | |||
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" It’s not as though education around homosexuality actively encouraged kids to become homosexual. Are you sure about the last paragraph ? I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then ." I grew up watching straight characters on TV. Didn't do me much good, did it? The analogy - bear with me - I would use is the increase in reports of child abuse when Esther Rantzen raised awareness and started her helpline. It wasn't that more children were being abused, only that they had the confidence to come forward. It is the same with sexuality. Erasing the stigma imposed by centuries of religious brain-washing gives people the confidence to be themselves. I thought on a site like this that might have been obvious. | |||
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"Yep , you read it correctly , Brighton and Hove council have decided it’s a good idea to teach kids in their schools that boys as well as girls can menstruate . So sanitary product bins will be in male as well as female toilets . By that reckoning , it won’t be long before we are teaching kids that childbirth is no longer limited to women , men can get pregnant and give birth too . Now I await the responses like ‘ of course a man can have a period , as he is a she identifying as a he ‘ , and so on . But I’m sorry , this is surely a step too far isn’t it ? How does the current school curriculum cope with basic human anytime and biology these days ? . " Did i fall asleep and its 1/4/2019 | |||
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"Excuse my ignorance but can only biological women have periods? ..............shhhh i think thats sexist somewhere Transphobic actually. how can you tell he has a phobia (irrational fear) of trans people from that question? It's not the question I was correcting. It wouldn't be sexist, but transphobic (but it actually isn't). my apologies. "No need to apologise. I forgot to put a emoji on there. | |||
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"I recall watching EastEnders and the first male to male kiss etc.... and Brookside showing the first lesbian relationship . And I thought this would give rise to a massive increase in homosexual relationships . And now we have men marrying men , women marrying women , and a massive increase in bisexuality every year since then . Good grief. You being more aware of something does not mean that that thing is on the increase. Do you know why more men are marrying men and more women are marrying women? Because they weren’t allowed to before. They still aren’t, in a lot of places. That doesn’t mean that the ability to marry a man turned anyone into a homosexual. Being taught about homosexuality didn’t turn people into homosexuals any more than being taught about woodwork turned them into a pencil case. As for your fucking shameful arguments about why we should have to ‘put up with’ things that only benefit a few people? How fucking privileged are you? It’s selfish, small-minded, blinkered, reprehensible way to think. What fucking harm does it do you to have a sanitary bin in a toilet cubicle? None. But it makes a world of positive difference to someone else. Maybe we should knock down all the churches, because they’re actually teaching people that a sky fairy can make you live forever. Only a minority of people go there, so why should the rest of us put up with it? While we’re on it, there are only a handful of black people in my town, yet I had to put up with my school teaching us about civil rights. Why should I have to listen to that? Maybe if people spent more time being considerate of others feelings, and less time jumping on the outrage bandwagon about things that affect them not one jot, the world would be a better place. Instead, we have to put up with the rancid, hateful ignorance that you see in this thread." | |||
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I talked about inclusivity.
I talked about how you were exaggerating the negative impact of this.
I talked about how the education would likely not be reduced to the simplistic notion that “boys have periods”.
I’m pretty sure I talked about those things without being rude or offensive. That you are insinuating otherwise is actually kinda offensive.
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"It's in case girls who see themselves as male and are in transition. I work in a school and we have a few transgender students. The basics need to be discussed to the other students but it's all gone a bit snowflake. Keep issues private and let other kids just carry on!" Exactly.. | |||
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"Wow it all.kicked off on This thread. I do think we all need more education regarding transgender issues so why not start it in schools ? I have so many questions trangenderism but am fearful of asking in case I'm branded "transphobic". I see gender as a social construct and how we are expected to act is defined by our sex. Why not get rid of gender roles and dated notions of gender and it may end the confusion about what gender People think they should be. Is this too simlistic? " Asking questions isn't transphobic (unless you're trying to offend!) It's not simplistic, it would just be very hard to do with the majority of people who were raised differently. | |||
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I think some people only post on the forums to be offensive.
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"Personally i think its all wrong, PC gone mad. You cant lie about biology. You are what you are Kids under 16 should be taught a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy. After then, then they can decide if being a girl/boy isnt for them but dont claim on the NHS ffs, nothing wrong with the body its the brain that thinks different. Whats next, we dont classify people as humans?" Here’s an idea, smart guy. Imagine, for just a moment, that the world is a bit more complex than you’d like to think. I know it’s very comforting for you to think otherwise, what with all those scary trans people out their making life difficult. But, just because you reckon it should be simple, it isn’t. | |||
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Which side is the snowflake? "To steal from John Cleese, ‘snowflake’ is a term used by sociopaths to try to undermine the notion of empathy. It tends to be used by conservative thinkers, to criticise those who would like the world to be a more welcoming, inclusive place (as though that’s a horrific ideal to strive for). The irony being, of course, that the ones using the terms tend to be the ones having a meltdown because they can’t cope with the fact that the world doesn’t fit their oversimplified ideas. | |||
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Which side is the snowflake?
To steal from John Cleese, ‘snowflake’ is a term used by sociopaths to try to undermine the notion of empathy.
It tends to be used by conservative thinkers, to criticise those who would like the world to be a more welcoming, inclusive place (as though that’s a horrific ideal to strive for). The irony being, of course, that the ones using the terms tend to be the ones having a meltdown because they can’t cope with the fact that the world doesn’t fit their oversimplified ideas."That's what I thought. I just wanted to know which side was the snowflake in his view considering his response a little later on in the thread. Maybe someone from the traditional snowflake side (the tolerant one) was calling out the ones that melt at anything (how dare you try to challenge my world view). | |||
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"I think some people enjoy being offended .Its the snowflake generation.
Which side is the snowflake?
To steal from John Cleese, ‘snowflake’ is a term used by sociopaths to try to undermine the notion of empathy.
It tends to be used by conservative thinkers, to criticise those who would like the world to be a more welcoming, inclusive place (as though that’s a horrific ideal to strive for). The irony being, of course, that the ones using the terms tend to be the ones having a meltdown because they can’t cope with the fact that the world doesn’t fit their oversimplified ideas.
That's what I thought.
I just wanted to know which side was the snowflake in his view considering his response a little later on in the thread.
Maybe someone from the traditional snowflake side (the tolerant one) was calling out the ones that melt at anything (how dare you try to challenge my world view)."The snowflakes in this context are the righties who get their panties twisted by "PC" culture. It's usually something they've read in the Newspapers and almost always has no effect on them. | |||
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"Wow it all.kicked off on This thread. I do think we all need more education regarding transgender issues so why not start it in schools ? I have so many questions trangenderism but am fearful of asking in case I'm branded "transphobic". I see gender as a social construct and how we are expected to act is defined by our sex. Why not get rid of gender roles and dated notions of gender and it may end the confusion about what gender People think they should be. Is this too simlistic? " Most of the trans people I know are very welcoming of people who want to understand more. You’re right that gender is a social contruct which imposes rigid expectations. Lifting those rigid expectation would allow people the freedom to express their gender as they wish. This would be a good thing. Trans people are people, worthy of support and dignity and kindness and respect. Like all of us. | |||
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