FabSwingers.com forum: the union jack

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

haveing a pint in town with ex forces mates ,noticed union jack being flown upside down or inside out, i realy hate this, and with olympics this year just wonderd how many people know the correct way too fly our flag? The clue is the red diagonals going left too right anti clock wise, many a soldier ,airman ,sailor wudve got extra duties for fkying the flag the wrong way ??

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hasn't it got something to do with the broader parts of the St Andrews Cross being at the top near the flagpole?

School was a long time ago

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

a lot of people seem to have trouble understanding what the Union flag means, so it's no surprise if people have trouble understanding which way is up and which way is down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what difference does it make?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"what difference does it make?"

It makes a huge difference if you hang it upside down.. the same as an American flag its a sign of disprect to hang it upside down or put it on the floor..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

Jack Tar, I think mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

What Jack tar???

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time."

THIS is why I love this forum.

( sorry for cross threading )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry didnt mean it to sound so cunt'ish!

maybe its generation or armed forces thing? id be hard pressed to find any friends my age who would know the correct way to hang it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

What Jack tar??? "

Lol no the union jack club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought a Jack Tar was a sailor?

and the flag with union jack top left the Naval Ensign?

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

The Union Jack club

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By *weet threesome wifeCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

if the saint pat it at top of saint andrew ie upsidedown means distress or post abandoned

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

pride in your country ! And in burma and a recent as iraq the flag flown upside down was a sign ov distres, so can anyone british n proud describe the correct way too fly our flag? N its got nowt do with the jocks st andrews cross, its in the red diagonals in the corners?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

99 per cent of people wouldn't notice if it was upside down or not.

they've got a lot more important things to worry about lol

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"I thought a Jack Tar was a sailor?

and the flag with union jack top left the Naval Ensign?"

I thought jack tar was a seaman, cause they used to "tar" themselves

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time.

THIS is why I love this forum.

( sorry for cross threading )"

Yeah I know, I am too pedantic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pride in your country ! And in burma and a recent as iraq the flag flown upside down was a sign ov distres, so can anyone british n proud describe the correct way too fly our flag? N its got nowt do with the jocks st andrews cross, its in the red diagonals in the corners?

and the white ones..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought a Jack Tar was a sailor?

and the flag with union jack top left the Naval Ensign?"

a Jack Tar was a sailor but they also referred to the Union flag as a Jack Tar too I believe. I could be wrong, I regularly am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"99 per cent of people wouldn't notice if it was upside down or not.

they've got a lot more important things to worry about lol"

amen to that

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"sorry didnt mean it to sound so cunt'ish!

maybe its generation or armed forces thing? id be hard pressed to find any friends my age who would know the correct way to hang it"

I married a guy in the army and was told the do's and don'ts it is a forces thing though... I think..

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By *weet threesome wifeCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

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lol the red diagonal is the st patrick and it has everything to do with st andrew as posted above close to poll the standrew is the broad side up st pat bottom

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

If I read this right the Union flag is really good for keeping quiet moments of distress ?

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Goto Google and type in union jack upside down, its the first search result at the top explains it all

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By *weet threesome wifeCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

oh i just cant figure how u saw people with it outside in?????

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

If we hang our Dutch flag upside down, everyone just assumes we've been invaded by Serbia and Montenegro.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

Bit of respect please. It's not the "JOCKS" anything. It's the St Andrew's Cross or the Saltire!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

popcorn anyone?

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

Reckon if one could remember "big, white, top" you'd get it right every time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reckon if one could remember "big, white, top" you'd get it right every time."

well that's a relief.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

great too see our dutch brothers knowing more about us than sarcy folks on here? X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"popcorn anyone?"

large salted please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you be sure they weren't in distress and were actually flying it the correct way for their situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dumb question for today...

Isnt the union jack the spar that the Union Flag is flown from...?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

explain that too a us airforce pilot supposed to be supporting u??? As folk on here dont know so get the usual smart arse sarcy replies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can you be sure they weren't in distress and were actually flying it the correct way for their situation?"

Believe its only a way of showing distress when its at sea... i believe the OP was in a pub when he saw it lol

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wondered if they were taking on water lol.

I got a novelty pair of Union Jack boxer shorts. I'm going to check they are the right way round.

A nation's honour rests upon it.

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"great too see our dutch brothers knowing more about us than sarcy folks on here? X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the op was in bolton on forces re union and a mate noticed the flag upside down and mentioned ,udve got ten extra duties for that! My question was how many people know the correct way too fly our flag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just seen someone mentioned on another thread..

Is Llcool J Welsh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what difference does it make?

It makes a huge difference if you hang it upside down.. the same as an American flag its a sign of disprect to hang it upside down or put it on the floor.. "

at least its easy to notice if the american flag is upside down or not

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"Just seen someone mentioned on another thread..

Is Llcool J Welsh?"

No, he can't sing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

usual sarcy answers too a genuine question? The red diagonals are bottom lefft on right side ov flag and broader white, as u go frm 6 too 12 anti clockise its opposite top right broader white at bottom, makes u realy proud too be british?? X sarcy uneducated responses await with a yawn? X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

haven't a clue but hubby n sons know and always point it out so if ever flying one at home rest assured it will be the right way

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"Doesn't it make you proud to be British"

- Winston Churchill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the op was in bolton on forces re union and a mate noticed the flag upside down and mentioned ,udve got ten extra duties for that! My question was how many people know the correct way too fly our flag?

Well now i know, theres an extra person lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My brother in law used to moan about us lot not standing up when the Queen's speech came on. He's given up moaning these days.

Each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you didnt complain at armhem and oosterbeck my dutch friend many happy days on airborne forces day x tommy a british soldier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got barred from the Conservative club in Brixton for not standing up for the national anthem at closing time. I couldn't have stood up if i had wanted to.

#Tennants Extra

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

What Jack tar???

Lol no the union jack club

Edgware road isn't it? Around the Marble Arch end?

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

You're actually speaking to a Kiwi here Mark, and clogs don't really care.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who....

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

... well if we want to be up to date and talk rugby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To deliberately fly the flag upside down is a signal indicating a situation of 'DISTRESS'. It is also "lese Majeste" (which means: insulting the Crown), and is theoretically still a crime in the UK and its commonwealth.

I don't identify with it anyway as my flag is the St George's Cross.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

cymru am bath x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

Thats because Wales is a principality of the union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"cymru am bath x

ooo dear that sounds a bit unhygenic.

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

" It is also "lese Majeste" (which means: insulting the Crown), and is theoretically still a crime in the UK and its commonwealth.

Where was this pub ?

This crime needs dealing with.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

"what difference does it make?

It makes a huge difference if you hang it upside down.. the same as an American flag its a sign of disprect to hang it upside down or put it on the floor.. "

Or burn it!

Think ourselves lucky the looney left hav'nt got a say in the matter..they would have it banned for being a symbol of nationalism and it could cause offence to other countries taking part in the Olympics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a Japanese flag.

And I'm worried if I'm flying it upside down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... well if we want to be up to date and talk rugby.

Mmmmm... Im always happy to talk about Rugby...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

wales for ever , x and we must be the only countrt in the world who would have our flag burned outside parliment? Ask my kiwi mate what would happen there or in aussie or the usa?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

it's enough sometimes to remember which way round my knickers go.

If I ever start worrying which way round the flag goes, shoot me please.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"wales for ever , x and we must be the only countrt in the world who would have our flag burned outside parliment? Ask my kiwi mate what would happen there or in aussie or the usa?

"
oh belt up.....btw...you live where?

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"it's enough sometimes to remember which way round my knickers go.

As long as you get the inside out thing correct, you're ok.

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time."

Exactly, any serviceman refering to the Union Flag as the Union Jack would be in trouble even if he did fly it the right way round

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the question was which way do u fly the union jack?lots sarcy answers but not many correct? Apart frm the southern lady? X what a yawn no wonder people post? Cyber bullies etc x can anyone answer the origanal question? ? Which way do u fly the union jack x

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

Which way do u fly the union jack x

From a flag pole!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

" Which way do u fly the union jack x

I don't!

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

On the side next to the flagpole, the thick white band is above the red band on both diagonals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

What Jack tar???

Lol no the union jack club

Edgware road isn't it? Around the Marble Arch end?"

I think that is the RAF club, Union Jack club is just around the corner from Waterloo train station.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the question was which way do u fly the union jack?lots sarcy answers but not many correct? Apart frm the southern lady? X what a yawn no wonder people post? Cyber bullies etc x can anyone answer the origanal question? ? Which way do u fly the union jack x

i really dont know TBH ... but if EVER i do need to fly one (never have yet)

then i will certainly seek advice before i do.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I bought a ciggy lighter from a tacky souvenir shop in london one time.

it's got a union flag on the side.

i hope it's the right way.

i aint turning upside down to light my ciggies lolololol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people can say what they like on the forums as long as they don't break the etiquette.

I am now stepping away from this post.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

union jack club in centlal london cheap basic but hanndy to get ur head down , need id a nd forces no to get in x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Union Flag should be flown with the red diagonals on top on the side furthest from the flagpole. The Union Jack should technically only be flown from a warship...

So the premis of the OP is irrelevant.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

I might just step away from this post too following the mail I have just received!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"............... many a soldier ,airman ,sailor wudve got extra duties for fkying the flag the wrong way ??

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"wales for ever , x and we must be the only countrt in the world who would have our flag burned outside parliment? Ask my kiwi mate what would happen there or in aussie or the usa?

Errr.. the flags would end up burnt?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I might just step away from this post too following the mail I have just received!

report it

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who...."

Getting things by marriage is an underhand tactic

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

you post in an open forum, you get a variety of responses, if you want to rant into empty cyberspace get a blog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Union Flag, flown upside down is a signal of distress. I forget the individual, but a govenor of an Indian province, during the days of the Raj, flew the flag upside down to attract the attention of the military forces at the post without alerting the 'natives'.....

When you and your mates see the flag flown upside down, you ought rush to the location and ask what is the problem and you can do. An uncle of mine (who had served in the army of India in the 30's) did a similar thing in Cheltenham, many years ago.....

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

Actually, is was you lot who got "conquered", we were just subjugated by force of arms, we fought on for hundreds of years. When the Romans, and then the Normans, invaded, they had to build huge castles or forts in Wales, and travel in huge armed columns, as they never felt safe enought to swan around like in the rest of the conquered UK.

The reason we dont have a representative part on the flag is that, technically we were never "invited" to join the union. Being a principality, also I think means a nod to our own Royal family, of whom Owain Glyndwr had the last proper claim.

Whilst the rest of you decided to roll over and play nice, we decided to rebel, and almost made it into a proper nationwide revolt, often being outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1 against trained knights on horseback and still winning (a matter of historical fact), and even, on one occassion, being outnumbered 10 to 1, and, when meeting the opposition, Owain Glyndwr was offered the chance to surrender, when he asked his men, they said they would fight and live, or fight and die..... mainly because, in old Welsh, there is no comparable word for surrender.... we didnt know how to do it lol!

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

Don't blame me, I got Welsh blood ya know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

What Jack tar???

Lol no the union jack club

Edgware road isn't it? Around the Marble Arch end?

I think that is the RAF club, Union Jack club is just around the corner from Waterloo train station."

That's the place

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"haveing a pint in town with ex forces mates ,noticed union jack being flown upside down or inside out, i realy hate this, and with olympics this year just wonderd how many people know the correct way too fly our flag? The clue is the red diagonals going left too right anti clock wise, many a soldier ,airman ,sailor wudve got extra duties for fkying the flag the wrong way ??

Hate it when people call it the union jack - whenits the union flag - it's only a union jack when on a ship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it was upside down for the benefit of tourists from the opposite side of the world.

Help them out like.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I might just step away from this post too following the mail I have just received!

would not worry m8, they're all getting hammered and talking about flags..

hardly the shhh sas..

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

Well, again lol.....

"Modern" Scots are actually of Irish decent, the Irish island hopped up the west coast, invaded the northern Celtic lands (they were pushed north by the Romans, Hadrians Wall and all that) and wiped them out, before settling down to populate Scotland.

As for having the whole nation after you.... it reminds me of a joke that sums up the Welsh attitude to invaders.

This Roman General is marching along with his troops when on top of a nearby hill, a Welshman appears and starts yelling insults.

The General sends half a dozen soldiers after the Celt, who dissappears down the other side of the hill. There is the sound of battle being joined, then silence.

Shortly after, the Celt appears again, so the General sends 30 men.

Same thing happens, and the Celt reappears.

This time, determined to get his man, the General sends 100 men.

off they charge, and a great battle is heard on the other side of the hill.

Then, when all is quiet, one lone, badly injured Roman soldier staggers over the hill, and with his last breath says "It's a trap, dont send anymore men, there are two of them!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grrr Can't spell-

OP, the Forces Headquarters in Westminster had all their flags right so no extra duties needed today!

Phew

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

I might just step away from this post too following the mail I have just received!

would not worry m8, they're all getting hammered and talking about flags..

hardly the shhh sas..

Popping back in waving a white flag (hopefully the right way up)

just to say I wasn't worried

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By *weet threesome wifeCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

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oh i think u will find by tellin u the wrong way the other is the righy and it cant go inside out or out side in

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

so what happens if i wear my union flag knickers inside out...is it a flogging offence then?

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

Well, again lol.....

As for having the whole nation after you.... it reminds me of a joke that sums up the Welsh attitude to invaders.

This Roman General is marching along with his troops when on top of a nearby hill, a Welshman appears and starts yelling insults.

The General sends half a dozen soldiers after the Celt, who dissappears down the other side of the hill. There is the sound of battle being joined, then silence.

Shortly after, the Celt appears again, so the General sends 30 men.

Same thing happens, and the Celt reappears.

This time, determined to get his man, the General sends 100 men.

off they charge, and a great battle is heard on the other side of the hill.

Then, when all is quiet, one lone, badly injured Roman soldier staggers over the hill, and with his last breath says "It's a trap, dont send anymore men, there are two of them!"

And don`t forget the good people of Dorset who settled in North Wales to escape the Black Death which entered the country through Weymouth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Non of this is taught in School's, because they are too busy teaching us about Islam rather than anything to do with our Nation's identity..."Oh wait a minute maybe they are subliminally teaching us about our future national identity...."

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

popped in...

read some & gets a sense of tension

popped back out...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reckon if one could remember "big, white, top" you'd get it right every time."

Good one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so what happens if i wear my union flag knickers inside out...is it a flogging offence then?

Only if you beg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you'll find it's to do with the 'jocks' St Andrews cross. It was added before the cross of St Patrick. So therefore the white cross is entitled to the higher position than that of the Red cross of St Patrick.

"pride in your country" you say, yet you feel the need to disrespect.

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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I always thought they called the ships union flag the red duster...

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There used to be 3 naval ensigns

White, Red and Blue, status and readiness etc etc

White Ensign is now the flag of the Royal Navy (White flag with the Union Flag top left)

Red Ensign, is now the merchant navy (UK registred) (Red with the Union Flag top left)

Blue Ensign, is now the hobby sailors (Private boats) (Blue with the Union Flag top left)

The above is the simplified version, as always a lot more to the history and circumstances behind it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always thought they called the ships union flag the red duster...

Wolf

Red duster is the merchant name slang for their red flag.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

its is a pet hate of mine being ex forces,

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

thick white band at top left (translated lol)

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over a year ago

"ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

thick white band at top left (translated lol)"

Google an image of the Union Flag.

Then look top right and you will see the white band top left to center is thicker, no?

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

If the desktop publisher who designed the fucking thing in the first place had just centered everything, this whole discussion wouldn't have been necessary.

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By *irtyAdi73Man
over a year ago

Sale

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time."

i was just about 2 put him right on that point mysefe being ex army

but even my local police station flys the union upside down wen i went in to tell them they were not 2 happy told me to p** off or they would do me for a public order offence

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

"wen i went in to tell them they were not 2 happy told me to p** off or they would do me for a public order offence "

Standard response from your average plod.

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By *ittlemorespiceCouple
over a year ago

North Cornwall

I have bigger fish to fry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i didn't realise they still flew the flag

i thought it was only found on soft furnishings these days ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

The overwhelming majority of place names in the north -east, as in the rest of England, are of Germanic origin, not of Celtic origin, and are either Anglo-Saxon or Scandinavian as a reading of E.Ekwall, considered to have been Britains most eminent place-name scholar would confirm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

thick white band at top left (translated lol)

Google an image of the Union Flag.

Then look top right and you will see the white band top left to center is thicker, no?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Top left, should say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"usual sarcy answers too a genuine question? The red diagonals are bottom lefft on right side ov flag and broader white, as u go frm 6 too 12 anti clockise its opposite top right broader white at bottom, makes u realy proud too be british?? X sarcy uneducated responses await with a yawn? X

Does not knowing this make someone uneducated in your 'humble' opinion then?

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By *weet threesome wifeCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

got nothing to do with left or right cos they change with the wind it goes top of poll st pat cross lower than st andrew, ie white cross thickest at top of poll

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

to all of you who keep saying it`s a union jack on a ship

It is a union flag any where its flown

and is only referd to as a "union jack" if the flag pole has a jack-staff fitted, that is the extra pole sticking out from the main flag pole. this is all ways on land based sites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most people say union jack..therefore surely it becomes a legitimate term through common usage.

Language evolves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its is a pet hate of mine being ex forces,

forces and ex forces peeps can be great fun and usually have load of interesting anecdotes to tell. I know loads of them. Just have to watch out for the odd one who thinks they are something special. They are just people doing a job, everyone has their place in our complex society.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

"most people say union jack..therefore surely it becomes a legitimate term through common usage.

Language evolves"

look don't bring sensible in to it

we are quite happy being pedantic in here

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

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over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

to some of these comments on here....

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By *yonhartMan
over a year ago

walsall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While some pedants might say that traditionally the flag should only be flown at sea a parliamentary statement confirmed that the common usage is also correct.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

May i just say to any of you lovely ladies out there....

i don't mind which way up you sit on my pole.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"May i just say to any of you lovely ladies out there....

i don't mind which way up you sit on my pole.

What about on top of it??

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"May i just say to any of you lovely ladies out there....

i don't mind which way up you sit on my pole.

What about on top of it??

Deal.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"May i just say to any of you lovely ladies out there....

i don't mind which way up you sit on my pole.

What about on top of it??

Deal. "

Wooo hooo

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"May i just say to any of you lovely ladies out there....

i don't mind which way up you sit on my pole.

What about on top of it??

Deal.

Wooo hooo

it's not a f*cking train

unless you have a few mates you can bring along

now what was that about flags?

no flagging here

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Scools dont just teach the youngsters about Islam, all religions are covered..

its about understanding different cultures and religions..

hopefully to break down barriers, prejudice, sheer ignorance and bigotry..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Scools dont just teach the youngsters about Islam, all religions are covered..

its about understanding different cultures and religions..

hopefully to break down barriers, prejudice, sheer ignorance and bigotry.."

PMSL missed out me H miss...

that'll be lines again then..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Havnt got a clue about flag sorry but you have given me the name of the military hotel I have been trying to remember last cpl days so thank you

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ah the 1 by Waterloo stn in London not stopped there for a while, there is also 1 near Marble arch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time.

i was just about 2 put him right on that point mysefe being ex army

but even my local police station flys the union upside down wen i went in to tell them they were not 2 happy told me to p** off or they would do me for a public order offence "
Pmsl that could only happen in this bloody country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so when does Flag become a Stone then ??

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By *landPeggyCouple
over a year ago

Holland !

Mick Flagger ?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

flaggle rock

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who...."

Henry Tudor was only one quarter Welsh, and used his (frankly suspect) links to the English House of Plantaganet* as the basis for his claim to the English Throne.

Catherine of Valois married Henry V, when widowed she married an obcure Welsh Squire called Owen Tudor, causing a stink as he was only minor gentry and not proper aristocracy. Their son Edmund married Margaret Beaufort and their son was Henry.

Margaret Beaufort was the daughter of the 1st Duke of Somerset, a senior member of the English aristocracy and a favourite of Henry VI.

Henry VII (Tudor) always stressed his English lineage as his claim to the throne.

(Wars of the Roses re-enactor here!

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over a year ago

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who....

Henry Tudor was only one quarter Welsh, and used his (frankly suspect) links to the English House of Plantaganet* as the basis for his claim to the English Throne.

Margaret Beaufort was the daughter of the 1st Duke of Somerset, a senior member of the English aristocracy and a favourite of Henry VI.

Henry VII (Tudor) always stressed his English lineage as his claim to the throne.

(Wars of the Roses re-enactor here!

Makes a change from Germans

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

As above, the 'English' were never conquered by Rome. Some people need to learn some history and actually find out who the inhabitants of mainland Britain were around 55 BC. The forefathers of those who became the modern Welsh* were the people conquered and displaced by the Roman military machine, the people who would become the English were busy defeating the Romans in the German forests - look up the Lost Legions of Varrus - and keeping the Empire on the West side of the Rhine.

*'Wales/Welsh' are actually old Anglo-Saxon words denoting 'other/outsider/foreigner/not us'.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who....

Henry Tudor was only one quarter Welsh, and used his (frankly suspect) links to the English House of Plantaganet* as the basis for his claim to the English Throne.

Margaret Beaufort was the daughter of the 1st Duke of Somerset, a senior member of the English aristocracy and a favourite of Henry VI.

Henry VII (Tudor) always stressed his English lineage as his claim to the throne.

(Wars of the Roses re-enactor here!

)

Makes a change from Germans

But we were happy to take the Germans as the alternative was a bunch of Catholic Scots unwanted in their own Kingdom!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok smart arse, but do u know the correct way too fly it? N the union jack is referd to the jack jar with union flag at top left frm my naval bud just here

thick white band at top left (translated lol)

Google an image of the Union Flag.

Then look top right and you will see the white band top left to center is thicker, no?

now that depends on which way you look at it.

from one side it is, but if its a printed flag, therefore see through to an extent, then it can only be correct from one side

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Well.....

you forgot to mention that most of the north east are celtic by origins, with place names that bear striking similarity to modern welsh...

i forgot u try to wind one welshman up you have the entire nation after you

*'Wales/Welsh' are actually old Anglo-Saxon words denoting 'other/outsider/foreigner/not us'.

I never actually said the the "English" were conquered by the Romans, please pay attention lol! The "English" (those peoples who by then were occupying what is now England) were, however, conquered by the Normans, who were actually decendents of vikings who had worked their way down the coast of Europe and settled in the area.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

And, in 55B.C. that would have been various tribes, mainly made up of Celts or Picts.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"And, in 55B.C. that would have been various tribes, mainly made up of Celts or Picts."

Well in all fairness, we don't actually know what they called themselves!

Pict is a Roman term i believe, and 'celt' is a term made up by a Welsh Nationalist and classicist in the mid 18th Century called Edward Llyudd.

In the writings of Caesar, his generals and the historian Tacitus (who visited Britannia) the only term used (apart from Romanised Tribal names) is the word 'Britonculli' which very roughly translates as 'horrible little Briton'

As for the Normans, look up the Harrying of the North, a genocidal campaign against Northern England for it's refusal to bend the knee to Norman rule.

William the bastard is not a popular man around these parts..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm keeping out of this..My family were Huguenots .

Newcomers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Scots do vote to leave Great Britain, this is all going to be academic really. Our flag is going to look quite strange in that case

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If the Scots do vote to leave Great Britain, this is all going to be academic really. Our flag is going to look quite strange in that case"

yeah, you'll need to get a new flag and new name for what's left of the UK

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"If the Scots do vote to leave Great Britain, this is all going to be academic really. Our flag is going to look quite strange in that case

yeah, you'll need to get a new flag and new name for what's left of the UK"

Just to be serious for a few moments (yes, it does happen from time to time!) if the Scots decide to go it alone, so to speak, and excuse me for sounding stupid, does that mean they will be totally self-sufficient, as in a real whole new country as it were, not that it aint now, but I think you know what I mean?

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Can you Imagine Passport control on the M74-M6 lol

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

el presidente Salmond wants to hedge his bets and give voters a third option - indepedence "lite" or devolution "max".

although the SNP are still streets ahead in every poll here (51 per cent at the last one), they struggle to get above 36 per cent in polls for independence

salmond wants time to convert support for the SNP into support for independence

Cameron and his chums don't want to give him the time, hence their ruse to set the terms for a poll

there is nothing more likely to drive Scots towards a yes vote than an English Tory telling Scots what to do.

And yes, if Scots vote for independence, the UK dissolves. It'll be a like a divorce, with all the assets and liabilities divvied up.

promises to be a messy business.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe they will be a seperate self governing Country. May well still be part of the Commonwealth though

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"If the Scots do vote to leave Great Britain, this is all going to be academic really. Our flag is going to look quite strange in that case

yeah, you'll need to get a new flag and new name for what's left of the UK

Its a minefield actually, just been ruminating about it here.

How the hell do you go about seperating the one from the other?

Example, what about all the Scottish lads and lasses in the Army, does that mean they will all go North to start a new Army for Scotland?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea about this but I believe The Scots only have certain devolved powers. If the Scots voted for Independence in a referendum would it have to be ratified or accepted by the British Government?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"I have no idea about this but I believe The Scots only have certain devolved powers. If the Scots voted for Independence in a referendum would it have to be ratified or accepted by the British Government?"

What happens if the Scots vote yes, but Cameron et al say no, war?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The Scottish Parliament was formed by the Scotland Act 1999 passed by Westminster.

The Act reserves powers over constitutional issues to Westminster, so a referendum run by the Scottish Parliament is "advisory" only.

That is Cameron's dilemma.

He has the legal power, but no mandate for a referendum. Salmond has the mandate, but no power.

Cameron wants to shoot Salmond's fox by devolving the power to Edinburgh, on condition the referendum is held within, say, 12 months.

The Nats want to wait until 2014.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

go on ur own and take the irish with you

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Seems a bit unfair to me there’s no distinctive Welsh part to this flag of “British” symbolism….. dunit !!!!

thats what you get for being conquered early in the game

Given that the Tudors were welsh you might wonder who conquered who....

Henry Tudor was only one quarter Welsh, and used his (frankly suspect) links to the English House of Plantaganet* as the basis for his claim to the English Throne.

Margaret Beaufort was the daughter of the 1st Duke of Somerset, a senior member of the English aristocracy and a favourite of Henry VI.

Henry VII (Tudor) always stressed his English lineage as his claim to the throne.

(Wars of the Roses re-enactor here!

hence my comment that getting it by marriage was cheating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its only the Union Jack on a ship. It's the Union flag rest of the time."

You have it exactly right....The Jack is the pole or the Jack Staff it flys from....ex Royal Navy...lol

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

How come in these days of equality it isn't the Union Jill.

Where are those short haired ladies in boots when you need 'em?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

me too

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

and me

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

me as well!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

hoorah!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"hoorah!

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indeed!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Its over

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