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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx" Change the government. | |||
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"bring back the clip around the ear from loacl bobby and hang them high " Agreed xx | |||
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"bring back the clip around the ear from loacl bobby and hang them high " most bobbies look about 16yrs old so that ain't gonna work plus some don't just stop at a clip round the ear these days  | |||
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"bring back the clip around the ear from loacl bobby and hang them high Agreed xx" We’re not allowed to do this due to the nanny state, it’s pathetic | |||
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"I grew up in the 60’ &70’s Yes there were a few areas where there were some issues, but now acid attacks, stabbing, shootings, moped crimes, drugs and car theft are becoming the norm, we choose to ignore these issues as common place.. But really is this acceptable behaviour? Isn’t it about time something was done to bring back basic morals and decency in our society? I’m fed up of hearing issues like this everyday! 21st century normality !!!" It’s because nobody’s allowed to tell kids off anymore let alone give them a clip on the ear. Everyone takes offence at the slightest thing and if a teacher looks at a kid the wrong way they could probably sue. This country has turned into a joke. I was always one of those people who’d never leave this country. Can’t bloody wait to move to Spain now. | |||
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"I would love to say the problem is ... and we can resolve it by... But this is a social issue where the unemployed has become generational issue of people who know nothing different except to scrounge and thieve off normal society, some of you will not agree, but this is the harsh reality of a scrounging state we have created.. " Totally disagree. And find that a rather repulsive attitude, personally. | |||
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"Lack of discipline is the problem! Damn right it is " And lack of Father figures in some cases. | |||
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"Lack of discipline is the problem! Damn right it is And lack of Father figures in some cases." Not sure about that. I’m stricter than their dad lol. They can wrap him around their little finger! | |||
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"Lack of discipline is the problem! Damn right it is And lack of Father figures in some cases. Not sure about that. I’m stricter than their dad lol. They can wrap him around their little finger! " The 1's who don't have dads or see them often I mean. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government." Yes, we need a politics of kindness. I can’t see many options to vote for it though. | |||
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"Lack of discipline is the problem! Damn right it is And lack of Father figures in some cases. Not sure about that. I’m stricter than their dad lol. They can wrap him around their little finger! The 1's who don't have dads or see them often I mean." Yes I do agree but I also know that sometimes that can’t be helped due to all sorts of different circumstances. | |||
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"i blame some of the school teaching all about there right .....there right what about our rights " What do you mean? I did 10 years in a school and the teachers have no rights anymore! The pupils seem to rule the roost. I couldn’t do it anymore. I’d have ended up behind bars! | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government." The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government." Why would that help? The Labour are saying don't knock criminals on motorbikes off ffs so who would stop this behaviour? | |||
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"Erm...reality check here. Crime is increasing, violent crime marginally so, however per capita of the population it remains quite steady. Even the recent increase over the last three years has been put down to a drive within police forces to better record crime by the Office of National Statistics. What we have today is a 24hr media that needs to fill every minute so there’s more focus on the bad stuff as well as the big stuff. When there was only an update three or four times a day, only the really big geo-political stuff got reported, along with some of the more sensational crimes. Now, every time someone so much as stubs their toe, there seems to be a vox pop with their neighbour. This is what I really worry about, because this is how you give up personal freedoms...by starting to believe that you are less safe and secure than you were"  | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer " Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. | |||
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"Bring back National service " No thanks, us professional soldiers don't want to have to play father to a bunch of badly disciplined scrotes who don't want to be there | |||
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"I think there's just more media coverage. Crime has been around since ape became man. They just didn't have Wi-Fi." agreed was it really better in the 70 & 80 when people were travelling up and down the country smashing up town centers following football or the industrial unrest and police stop and search and city riots  | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree." Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets | |||
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"i blame some of the school teaching all about there right .....there right what about our rights " The schools are hamstringed they have to cover the curriculum if they don't Ofsted complain or parents complain. The day teachers had the support of parents is dying out. Too many parents think their child is all sweetness and light. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets "I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
"Cool , it doesn’t matter . But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak . I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ? But as I say , not to worry  | |||
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"If you read about the fall of the Roman empire there are many similarities to the decline of civilisation today. It's just history slowly repeating itself." I don’t agree. To some extent, the Roman Empire didn’t end in the East until 1453. It also ‘declined’ - although I prefer the term ‘changed’ through a series of external factors such as tribal attacks, lack of money and resources etc. Crime and antisocial behaviour wasn’t a factor. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
Cool , it doesn’t matter .
But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak .
I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ?
But as I say , not to worry "It said everything I wanted to say. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
Cool , it doesn’t matter .
But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak .
I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ?
But as I say , not to worry
It said everything I wanted to say. "Its ok Miss-Estella-toe, Someone from Gloucester is obviously going to know more about London life than those of us who are Londoners... | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
Cool , it doesn’t matter .
But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak .
I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ?
But as I say , not to worry
It said everything I wanted to say.
Its ok Miss-Estella-toe, Someone from Gloucester is obviously going to know more about London life than those of us who are Londoners... "So only those who live in London can comment on it? What about those who work there? Or were you merely trying to score brownie points? | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
Cool , it doesn’t matter .
But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak .
I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ?
But as I say , not to worry
It said everything I wanted to say.
Its ok Miss-Estella-toe, Someone from Gloucester is obviously going to know more about London life than those of us who are Londoners...
So only those who live in London can comment on it? What about those who work there?
Or were you merely trying to score brownie points?"You're welcome to comment on whatever you like, it is more than a little perplexing when people who don't live here tell `us` how it is, especially when those statements reflect nothing I`ve experienced in a lifetime of living here.. | |||
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" It's easy to get drawn into emotive headlines and doom and gloom. Personally I think a lot of the youth of today get a raw deal, with many of them being great ambassadors in sport, diversity and goid all rounders! Anti-social behaviour has been around for a long time, and maybe increasing populations make it seem more prevalent? Let's not forget that years ago the Kray twins were running around murdering people, whilst others referred to them as goid old fashioned boys with a code of honour! Get involved and make the change or stop whining? " | |||
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"I grew up in the 60’ &70’s Yes there were a few areas where there were some issues, but now acid attacks, stabbing, shootings, moped crimes, drugs and car theft are becoming the norm, we choose to ignore these issues as common place.. But really is this acceptable behaviour? Isn’t it about time something was done to bring back basic morals and decency in our society? I’m fed up of hearing issues like this everyday! 21st century normality !!!" You are right, no violent crime in London back in the 60's. The Kray's would never have allowed it | |||
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"we had a group of teenagers hanging around the shop eyeing up the motorbikes and casually walking on to the premises like they owned it. from first look it looked like they were up to no good looking through windows, showing off on scooters etc. but after more started appearing at different times and the guys were getting buzzed by the cctv while at home i decided i would wait around one night and see for myself. so i waited, then you heard the whining scooters turning up and on the camera i could see 2 of them climbing over the fencing. i came out, non threatening with the patrol dog and just asked if i could help them, and it was simple, they just wanted to see the bikes. so i offered them both a part time job, told them come back on saturday and you see me. now they empty the bins, learning how to shape metals and cut materials and they have told there mates to leave the place alone as they work there on saturday mornings. even the parents have been down and said thanks for giving them something to do. and this is part of the problem. they are bored, without hope and think no one will give them a fair go. bad elements in all of us not just the young." Idle hands make mischief, give them things to do that`ll make them feel like they're achieving something, & most of the time they`ll soon get into it. Sometimes their friends will get into it as well. | |||
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"It's always society's fault. But who is society? " other people and everyone else | |||
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"It's always society's fault. But who is society? other people and everyone else " But never ours eh? | |||
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"bring back the clip around the ear from loacl bobby and hang them high " You'd have to bring back local bobbies first and that's not happening anytime soon.. | |||
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"It's always society's fault. But who is society? other people and everyone else But never ours eh? " Corse not | |||
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"we had a group of teenagers hanging around the shop eyeing up the motorbikes and casually walking on to the premises like they owned it. from first look it looked like they were up to no good looking through windows, showing off on scooters etc. but after more started appearing at different times and the guys were getting buzzed by the cctv while at home i decided i would wait around one night and see for myself. so i waited, then you heard the whining scooters turning up and on the camera i could see 2 of them climbing over the fencing. i came out, non threatening with the patrol dog and just asked if i could help them, and it was simple, they just wanted to see the bikes. so i offered them both a part time job, told them come back on saturday and you see me. now they empty the bins, learning how to shape metals and cut materials and they have told there mates to leave the place alone as they work there on saturday mornings. even the parents have been down and said thanks for giving them something to do. and this is part of the problem. they are bored, without hope and think no one will give them a fair go. bad elements in all of us not just the young. Idle hands make mischief, give them things to do that`ll make them feel like they're achieving something, & most of the time they`ll soon get into it. Sometimes their friends will get into it as well. " if they do well i can get them apprenticeships with harley davidson as i use to work with them so a career is there for them. its up to them | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer Nope, I wholeheartedly disagree. Ok , Rotherham , and the grooming - Labour again . Their leftie snowflake attitude of not wanting to upset anyone leads to a lawless society . The most emphatic thing the London mayor did was spend a load of money on a blimp of Trump so we could pour scorn on him when he visited . He also rallied as many as he could to march in protestation at his visit . What a great example that sets
I don’t accept the premise of your points, sorry.
Cool , it doesn’t matter .
But to just say ‘ change the government ‘ with no reasoning is weak .
I’ve said the worst areas are Labour run now , so why would changing the government make any difference ?
But as I say , not to worry
It said everything I wanted to say.
Its ok Miss-Estella-toe, Someone from Gloucester is obviously going to know more about London life than those of us who are Londoners...
So only those who live in London can comment on it? What about those who work there?
Or were you merely trying to score brownie points?
You're welcome to comment on whatever you like, it is more than a little perplexing when people who don't live here tell `us` how it is, especially when those statements reflect nothing I`ve experienced in a lifetime of living here.. "So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho | |||
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"So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho " Knife rimes only escalating in London is it? I constantly see people with no ties whatsoever slating London & Sadiq on a daily basis on twatter, yet, amazingly, in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I`m not denying some forms of crime are increasing, obviously cities will suffer more than villages, but from personal experience, the stuff peddled in the media about London is greatly exaggerated. Take from that what you will. | |||
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"So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho Knife rimes only escalating in London is it? I constantly see people with no ties whatsoever slating London & Sadiq on a daily basis on twatter, yet, amazingly, in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I`m not denying some forms of crime are increasing, obviously cities will suffer more than villages, but from personal experience, the stuff peddled in the media about London is greatly exaggerated. Take from that what you will." I take from that one simple thing . That you are defending the city you grew up in , the city you have lived in all your life , and that’s admirable . Unfortunately the fact is that we only get the facts as they are portrayed by the media , and that’s kind of what the thread is about . If you look at the facts as represented by the media m they don’t make good reading though do they ? | |||
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"So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho Knife rimes only escalating in London is it? I constantly see people with no ties whatsoever slating London & Sadiq on a daily basis on twatter, yet, amazingly, in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I`m not denying some forms of crime are increasing, obviously cities will suffer more than villages, but from personal experience, the stuff peddled in the media about London is greatly exaggerated. Take from that what you will." I have a nephew who is a qualified lawyer living and working in London, 3 months ago was robbed by knifepoint Whilst nothing may have happened to you, does not mean it isn’t happening around you, it’s easy to ignore things I know I used to walk to work sometimes and ignore the homeless or the druggies walking the street while pissing themselves, so whilst you make your point you are not speaking for the millions of other Londoners!! | |||
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"So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho Knife rimes only escalating in London is it? I constantly see people with no ties whatsoever slating London & Sadiq on a daily basis on twatter, yet, amazingly, in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I`m not denying some forms of crime are increasing, obviously cities will suffer more than villages, but from personal experience, the stuff peddled in the media about London is greatly exaggerated. Take from that what you will. I take from that one simple thing . That you are defending the city you grew up in , the city you have lived in all your life , and that’s admirable . Unfortunately the fact is that we only get the facts as they are portrayed by the media , and that’s kind of what the thread is about . If you look at the facts as represented by the media m they don’t make good reading though do they ? " No, crime never looks good in the media, especially when some sections of the media, & other alarmist sources, blow it out of all proportion. Britain's become very London-centric, I don't agree with that for numerous reasons, & the news has also swung the same way. The truth is, per capita, London isn't any less safe than any other British city, & my experiences reflect that. As for Sadiq, he inherited his position as numerous Tory cuts to UK services were starting to really bite, the cuts to policing & social services has had a catastrophic effect on crime throughout the UK, as has been cited by various police chiefs, but Sadiq is still getting the blame, mainly because he`s Labour & because he's a Muslim. Boris/Zac Goldsmith REALLY dodged a bullet there, there's no anyone would have done any better regarding crime with the various cuts that have been implemented. | |||
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"I think the lack of compassion for others is an issue, but Frameworks did some great research on the fact that compassion won’t stir right wing thinkers. Funny that. "Ooohhh... you’re on one tonight | |||
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"I think the lack of compassion for others is an issue, but Frameworks did some great research on the fact that compassion won’t stir right wing thinkers. Funny that.
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"So it may perplex you even more to know that I was born in Battersea , raised there and lived in London until I was a teenager . I have never lived in Rotherham so maybe I shouldn’t comment on there either . And you’ve never experienced knife crime escalating to its current level in London ? Mmm.... something doesn’t add up does it ? Hey ho Knife rimes only escalating in London is it? I constantly see people with no ties whatsoever slating London & Sadiq on a daily basis on twatter, yet, amazingly, in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I`m not denying some forms of crime are increasing, obviously cities will suffer more than villages, but from personal experience, the stuff peddled in the media about London is greatly exaggerated. Take from that what you will. I take from that one simple thing . That you are defending the city you grew up in , the city you have lived in all your life , and that’s admirable . Unfortunately the fact is that we only get the facts as they are portrayed by the media , and that’s kind of what the thread is about . If you look at the facts as represented by the media m they don’t make good reading though do they ? No, crime never looks good in the media, especially when some sections of the media, & other alarmist sources, blow it out of all proportion. Britain's become very London-centric, I don't agree with that for numerous reasons, & the news has also swung the same way. The truth is, per capita, London isn't any less safe than any other British city, & my experiences reflect that. As for Sadiq, he inherited his position as numerous Tory cuts to UK services were starting to really bite, the cuts to policing & social services has had a catastrophic effect on crime throughout the UK, as has been cited by various police chiefs, but Sadiq is still getting the blame, mainly because he`s Labour & because he's a Muslim. Boris/Zac Goldsmith REALLY dodged a bullet there, there's no anyone would have done any better regarding crime with the various cuts that have been implemented." I’m not going to argue with that at all . We get told we don’t need so many police as there are so many cctv cameras watching our every move . The problem is that 80% of crimes go unpunished , from shoplifting and burglary to sexual assault and violent attacks . And we wonder why the statistics show higher numbers of crimes committed everywhere . | |||
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"in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I have a nephew who is a qualified lawyer living and working in London, 3 months ago was robbed by knifepoint Whilst nothing may have happened to you, does not mean it isn’t happening around you, it’s easy to ignore things I know I used to walk to work sometimes and ignore the homeless or the druggies walking the street while pissing themselves, so whilst you make your point you are not speaking for the millions of other Londoners!!" I know I'm speaking from my perspective, I appreciate I don't represent the whole of London, but don't you think if there was an "epidemic", which is how its been pedaled, I`d have had SOMEONE I know suffering the results of it directly? Family, friends, colleagues, I dunno, at least 150 people, & yet none have suffered this unstoppable crimewave? I drive all over London on a daily basis & I`ve never seen a knife or gun attack being carried out, & I`m not in some gated community either.. As I say, things are being blown out of proportion. I worry, especially for my boys, obviously, but I know London isn't the lawless wild west that its portrayed to be in the media. As for the homeless & the druggies, that's also not unusual for a big city, I`d say some cities, proportionately, have worse drug problems than London, but I have no statistics. | |||
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" I take from that one simple thing . That you are defending the city you grew up in , the city you have lived in all your life , and that’s admirable . Unfortunately the fact is that we only get the facts as they are portrayed by the media , and that’s kind of what the thread is about . If you look at the facts as represented by the media m they don’t make good reading though do they ? No, crime never looks good in the media, especially when some sections of the media, & other alarmist sources, blow it out of all proportion. Britain's become very London-centric, I don't agree with that for numerous reasons, & the news has also swung the same way. The truth is, per capita, London isn't any less safe than any other British city, & my experiences reflect that. As for Sadiq, he inherited his position as numerous Tory cuts to UK services were starting to really bite, the cuts to policing & social services has had a catastrophic effect on crime throughout the UK, as has been cited by various police chiefs, but Sadiq is still getting the blame, mainly because he`s Labour & because he's a Muslim. Boris/Zac Goldsmith REALLY dodged a bullet there, there's no anyone would have done any better regarding crime with the various cuts that have been implemented. I’m not going to argue with that at all . We get told we don’t need so many police as there are so many cctv cameras watching our every move . The problem is that 80% of crimes go unpunished , from shoplifting and burglary to sexual assault and violent attacks . And we wonder why the statistics show higher numbers of crimes committed everywhere . " The problem is, cameras are easily defeated by a hoodie & a cap, & if there's no force on the streets to get to the problems, then the CCTV is worthless.. Five years ago, there were four 24 hour police stations within 5 miles of me. Now, after 10pm, my nearest 24 hour police station is 11 miles away.. If there's no available police in the area, cars & police have to be sent from there, by the time they get here, the criminals are long gone. The criminals know this.. This is why various crimes are rising. The same applies throughout the UK. Local police stations closed or part time all over the country. some places are 30+ miles away from a 24 hour police stations (which are also understaffed).. Street lights being turned off to lower the councils electricity bills. Its a recipe for disaster.. | |||
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"in 4 & 1/2 decades I`ve never been stabbed, robbed, had my phone snatched, been burgled, or sexually assaulted, or suffered anything else that is, apparently an epidemic in London.. Neither has my family (including my teenage boys), close or extended, & neither, as far as I can recall right now, have any of my friends, other than 1 being bottled about 15 years ago in a pub, so, you are correct, something really isn't adding up.. I have a nephew who is a qualified lawyer living and working in London, 3 months ago was robbed by knifepoint Whilst nothing may have happened to you, does not mean it isn’t happening around you, it’s easy to ignore things I know I used to walk to work sometimes and ignore the homeless or the druggies walking the street while pissing themselves, so whilst you make your point you are not speaking for the millions of other Londoners!! I know I'm speaking from my perspective, I appreciate I don't represent the whole of London, but don't you think if there was an "epidemic", which is how its been pedaled, I`d have had SOMEONE I know suffering the results of it directly? Family, friends, colleagues, I dunno, at least 150 people, & yet none have suffered this unstoppable crimewave? I drive all over London on a daily basis & I`ve never seen a knife or gun attack being carried out, & I`m not in some gated community either.. As I say, things are being blown out of proportion. I worry, especially for my boys, obviously, but I know London isn't the lawless wild west that its portrayed to be in the media. As for the homeless & the druggies, that's also not unusual for a big city, I`d say some cities, proportionately, have worse drug problems than London, but I have no statistics." Lol sorry hope you didn’t take my comments personally, but when I lived and worked in London, it was always the case don’t drive around Hackney Leytonstone without windows up and doors locked, funny even now 20 yrs later I didn’t have to worry about that in Bristol, Manchester, Liverpool Sorry but my original point here is that society in general is worse the country has lost its ethical standards and that’s true.. | |||
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" Sorry but my original point here is that society in general is worse the country has lost its ethical standards and that’s true.." In. Your. Opinion. It’s not fact. And I disagree with your opinion. | |||
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" Lol sorry hope you didn’t take my comments personally, but when I lived and worked in London, it was always the case don’t drive around Hackney Leytonstone without windows up and doors locked, funny even now 20 yrs later I didn’t have to worry about that in Bristol, Manchester, Liverpool Sorry but my original point here is that society in general is worse the country has lost its ethical standards and that’s true.." Well, I had a classic, Ferrari Spider, various classic Porsche Targas & cabrios & still have a convertible Porsche in my collection (not that I've driven that one for a while), I always drive down with the roofs down when I use them, weather permitting, day & night. I must admit, when I`m in certain situations, like traffic, I will leave room to get out & have an escape plan, as I do in any of my cars, should anything kick off. To date, it's not happened though. I don't disagree with you, there is definitely an increase in social problems, & I blame that on cuts over the last decade. | |||
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"Put them in the army Teach them discipline " Or just teach ‘them’ discipline and right from wrong without putting ‘them’ in an environment that isn’t guaranteed to help ‘them’ | |||
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"The decline of the dining table. Once a day the family should eat together. All phones and TV off. The ritual of "wash your hands". Eating together and actually engaging in conversation encourages real social behaviour we feel." Yeah, thats gone out the window too, mainly because parents aren't getting home till 8pm after working their arses off to pay mortgages thy cant really afford or rents & bills that are crippling them. There's a whole heap of reasons why we`re here in society now, & there's no, quick fix for any of them other than putting trillions of pounds back into the various systems, that is currently being sat on, & constantly accumilted, by obscenely rich, often tax avoiding capitalists who have no sense of decency. And if they don't want to be philanthropists about it, then it`ll have to be taxed out of them, as far as I'm concerned. Unchecked capitalism that has got this out of hand doesn't benefit any society. | |||
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"Op -so racial abuse, homophobia and football hooliganism were all fine and dandy were they? It's very easy to look at history through rose tinted glasses isn't it?" is easy to look back on a hard time and forget the reality. 70-80 high unemployment, terror attacks, city riots,stop and search, police brutality, football violence, muggings, ram raids, joy riding, strikes, black outs, pedos on the TV entertaining our generation, Yes the old days were better | |||
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"I grew up in the 60’ &70’s Yes there were a few areas where there were some issues, but now acid attacks, stabbing, shootings, moped crimes, drugs and car theft are becoming the norm, we choose to ignore these issues as common place.. But really is this acceptable behaviour? Isn’t it about time something was done to bring back basic morals and decency in our society? I’m fed up of hearing issues like this everyday! 21st century normality !!!" No, of course these things aren't acceptable behavior. They're illegal. | |||
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"national service will not help but borstels may and weekend detenion camps may help" National service is the only solution. Let the country train our teenagers, so that they can respect themselves, respect others, and their country. As for putting them into borstals and weekend training camps. Prevent them from committing a crime in the first place. National service would reduce the following. Drug abuse/addiction. car/motor bike theft. Steeling from shops/ supermarkets. Robing and scamming the elderly. Under age pregnancy. All this anti social behaviour, the cost of it is passed onto the hard working class. The theft from shops and supermarkets are passed on to us, with increased prices, as with car insurance premiums. We give unmarried mothers places to live, the unemployed and all these so called incapacitated benefits cheats cars. And who is paying for it !!! Yes us, the countries back bone, the working middle class. If you disagree tough shit. There are to many paracite's feeding of us. that's why the country is in dept. | |||
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"national service will not help but borstels may and weekend detenion camps may helpNational service is the only solution. Let the country train our teenagers, so that they can respect themselves, respect others, and their country. As for putting them into borstals and weekend training camps. Prevent them from committing a crime in the first place. National service would reduce the following. Drug abuse/addiction. car/motor bike theft. Steeling from shops/ supermarkets. Robing and scamming the elderly. Under age pregnancy. All this anti social behaviour, the cost of it is passed onto the hard working class. The theft from shops and supermarkets are passed on to us, with increased prices, as with car insurance premiums. We give unmarried mothers places to live, the unemployed and all these so called incapacitated benefits cheats cars. And who is paying for it !!! Yes us, the countries back bone, the working middle class. If you disagree tough shit. There are to many paracite's feeding of us. that's why the country is in dept. " National service does not stop criminals. All of Europe had national service for 40 years between 46-86 and the UK 39-60. Still plenty of criminal behaviour during that time. Who do you think pays for national service? The taxpayer. As for scare mongering about social Cheaters. It’s only a very small % of claimants. Oh. And you forgot the super rich criminals like Phillip Green who’s company failed to pay 500 million in company PAYE contributions. That’s a bit more than some person in a bed sit claiming ESA due to illness. | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. " There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . " Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days? | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days?" Why are you only able to respond with insults? Cheap | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days? Why are you only able to respond with insults? Cheap "Ahh, you got one then? Glad to hear it’s economical for you. | |||
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"I grew up in the 60’ &70’s Yes there were a few areas where there were some issues, but now acid attacks, stabbing, shootings, moped crimes, drugs and car theft are becoming the norm, we choose to ignore these issues as common place.. But really is this acceptable behaviour? Isn’t it about time something was done to bring back basic morals and decency in our society? I’m fed up of hearing issues like this everyday! 21st century normality !!!" We bring our own kids up ... just a thought ... but I do agree on bringing back basic morals. | |||
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"I completely agree with your comments Stella. The question is what do we do about it? Leanne xxx Change the government. The worst of it , by far , is in London . A London led by a Labour mayor . And it really only became this bad when he took over from a conservative mayor . So you may want to rethink that answer " Do you have any clue over what powers a mayor actually has? Central government decides what funding goes into things like policing. Maybe if public services weren't being cut to breaking point by CENTRAL government, policing would be better. Maybe you should rethink YOUR answer. | |||
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"Op -so racial abuse, homophobia and football hooliganism were all fine and dandy were they? It's very easy to look at history through rose tinted glasses isn't it?is easy to look back on a hard time and forget the reality. 70-80 high unemployment, terror attacks, city riots,stop and search, police brutality, football violence, muggings, ram raids, joy riding, strikes, black outs, pedos on the TV entertaining our generation, Yes the old days were better " | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days?" You disagree? | |||
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"I would love to say the problem is ... and we can resolve it by... But this is a social issue where the unemployed has become generational issue of people who know nothing different except to scrounge and thieve off normal society, some of you will not agree, but this is the harsh reality of a scrounging state we have created.. Totally disagree. And find that a rather repulsive attitude, personally. " Seconded. | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days? You disagree?" That this is a fair representation of the state of ethical standards currently? Yes. | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days? You disagree? That this is a fair representation of the state of ethical standards currently? Yes." Please explain your reasoning. | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days? You disagree? That this is a fair representation of the state of ethical standards currently? Yes. Please explain your reasoning." What do you disagree with? | |||
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"the 60s and 70s were no different to today apart from bad thing back then did not get the media attention as it does today with social media and the many snowflake that has sprouted from it.. bad shit is in every decade just today you can fart without being heard "Yup | |||
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".... 'Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them.' There’s a lot of truth in this.... " There's no truth to this. Both the West and the world are more law abiding and peaceful than any time in recorded history but the media brings ghastly incidents to our attention and give our poor human brains a distorted view of the world and I speak as someone who's just been the victim of some horrible little scrotes. Mike xx | |||
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".... 'Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them.' There’s a lot of truth in this.... There's no truth to this. Both the West and the world are more law abiding and peaceful than any time in recorded history but the media brings ghastly incidents to our attention and give our poor human brains a distorted view of the world and I speak as someone who's just been the victim of some horrible little scrotes. Mike xx" If you're talking about war i agree, if you're talking about crime then i disagree. | |||
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"I think we have more ethical standards now, they just seem to have shifted; how to treat people of race, sexuality, the environment, whether we should eat meat, where we get our energy from etc. Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them. There’s a lot of truth in this . Look at the child killer who is going to be released . Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it . Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change . Vegans campaign in steak houses . It’s a strange old place . Full subscription to Daily Mail, costs you how much these days?" I don’t read the Daily Mail , but that’s got nothing to do with the facts as I’ve described them . | |||
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".... 'Horrendous crimes have become so common place we've become blase about them.' There’s a lot of truth in this.... There's no truth to this. Both the West and the world are more law abiding and peaceful than any time in recorded history but the media brings ghastly incidents to our attention and give our poor human brains a distorted view of the world and I speak as someone who's just been the victim of some horrible little scrotes. Mike xx" "Both the West and the world are more law abiding and peaceful than any time in recorded history ......" How can you possibly quantify this? | |||
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"Op -so racial abuse, homophobia and football hooliganism were all fine and dandy were they? It's very easy to look at history through rose tinted glasses isn't it?is easy to look back on a hard time and forget the reality. 70-80 high unemployment, terror attacks, city riots,stop and search, police brutality, football violence, muggings, ram raids, joy riding, strikes, black outs, pedos on the TV entertaining our generation, Yes the old days were better
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"national service will not help but borstels may and weekend detenion camps may helpNational service is the only solution. Let the country train our teenagers, so that they can respect themselves, respect others, and their country. As for putting them into borstals and weekend training camps. Prevent them from committing a crime in the first place. National service would reduce the following. Drug abuse/addiction. car/motor bike theft. Steeling from shops/ supermarkets. Robing and scamming the elderly. Under age pregnancy. All this anti social behaviour, the cost of it is passed onto the hard working class. The theft from shops and supermarkets are passed on to us, with increased prices, as with car insurance premiums. We give unmarried mothers places to live, the unemployed and all these so called incapacitated benefits cheats cars. And who is paying for it !!! Yes us, the countries back bone, the working middle class. If you disagree tough shit. There are to many paracite's feeding of us. that's why the country is in dept. " Frankly abhorrent views here in my opinion | |||
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"Scientific studies have proven that the advent of ‘rolling 24 hours news’ has led people to falsely believe there is more crime and become more anxious about crime. They found that one murder reported every hour leads people to believe multiple murders have taken place. When in fact there has been only one. You could say it’s an unintentional form of brain washing. Just google as links aren’t allowed. " Absolutely true. Several people have posted this point along the thread, but it's been overlooked in favour of corporal punishment and other draconian measures. | |||
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"According to the police reports relating to violent crime , it’s gone up massively in the last fufteen years . According to the crime survey which asks 3,500 random people if they have been on the receiving end of violent crime , it’s gone down in fifteen years . This is information easy to find on the BBC news website called violent crime : is it getting worse . " So, if incidents of violent crime are going down, but arrests are going up, what you are saying is that the police must be catching more perpetrators of violent crime.... | |||
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"According to the police reports relating to violent crime , it’s gone up massively in the last fufteen years . According to the crime survey which asks 3,500 random people if they have been on the receiving end of violent crime , it’s gone down in fifteen years . This is information easy to find on the BBC news website called violent crime : is it getting worse . " Also reporting of crimes has risen in this time too, | |||
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"Look at the child killer who is going to be released" Someone who has been in prison for 45 years and is now deemed safe to be in society. I can't say whether that's a right or wrong decision, but it's the type of decision that has been made in the justice system for generations. It's no indication of a decline in modern morals or anything like that. "Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it." This is as result of a law that has been in place for a while. It should change, but it sounds like it's a legal cock up, again not because of some catastrophic moral decline. "Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim !" Brutal murders have happened for generations, unclear what giving a modern example proves. "And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! " This was a terrible error by the MoJ which has admitted not taking her violent past into account. There are probably some lessons to be learnt. But one could note that the same could happen if you fail to take account of a violent cis woman or man who is placed with same sex prisoners. "World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change." No they didn't. There was a climate change summit, and Attenborough was invited to speak at it. World leaders met because climate change is real and a terrible danger. "Vegans campaign in steak houses" Well, agree or disagree with their methods, what would be the point in campaigning in a vegan restaurant? They're trying to get publicity and make an impact. So in summary, you've listed some mistakes in the justice system, some terrible crimes, and a couple of things that you apparently haven't really understood. Hardly evidence of the breakdown of society. You could go to any year in history, pick a handful of incidents and claim things are getting worse. | |||
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"According to the police reports relating to violent crime , it’s gone up massively in the last fufteen years . According to the crime survey which asks 3,500 random people if they have been on the receiving end of violent crime , it’s gone down in fifteen years . This is information easy to find on the BBC news website called violent crime : is it getting worse . So, if incidents of violent crime are going down, but arrests are going up, what you are saying is that the police must be catching more perpetrators of violent crime...." Unfortunately not . Arrests aren’t going up at all , but reports of violent crimes made to the police have . It doesn’t mean they do anything about it . What’s clear is that we don’t have enough police presence any longer . | |||
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"Look at the child killer who is going to be released Someone who has been in prison for 45 years and is now deemed safe to be in society. I can't say whether that's a right or wrong decision, but it's the type of decision that has been made in the justice system for generations. It's no indication of a decline in modern morals or anything like that. Look at the groomer paedo who was asked by social services in Rotherham if he wanted to visit the child he fathered , after r@ping the 14 year old girl who gave birth to it. This is as result of a law that has been in place for a while. It should change, but it sounds like it's a legal cock up, again not because of some catastrophic moral decline. Look at the recent case where a man brutally murdered a trans meet from fab , got his girlfriend to help clear up the mess , and after a drink and d*ug fueled weekend tried to blame the victim ! Brutal murders have happened for generations, unclear what giving a modern example proves. And yet we give trans prisoners the opportunity to change gender to change prison and they go on to sexually assault prisoners in the new nick ! This was a terrible error by the MoJ which has admitted not taking her violent past into account. There are probably some lessons to be learnt. But one could note that the same could happen if you fail to take account of a violent cis woman or man who is placed with same sex prisoners. World leaders meet because David Attenborough said they should due to climate change. No they didn't. There was a climate change summit, and Attenborough was invited to speak at it. World leaders met because climate change is real and a terrible danger. Vegans campaign in steak houses Well, agree or disagree with their methods, what would be the point in campaigning in a vegan restaurant? They're trying to get publicity and make an impact. So in summary, you've listed some mistakes in the justice system, some terrible crimes, and a couple of things that you apparently haven't really understood. Hardly evidence of the breakdown of society. You could go to any year in history, pick a handful of incidents and claim things are getting worse. " My examples were used specifically relating to the post by Dr prod . I used the appalling cases as they are all recent , and then the vegan and climate change examples to show how society has changed ethically , and violent crimes seem diluted . Seem ok to me to do so given his post . But I do agree that you could do the same for every year in history . | |||
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"Please don’t get confused as to what my thread is about, my point is merely to say society in general is on a decline. Things were not like this when I grew up. Nobody got stabbed, you may have got in a fight, but you’d never expect to die from that altercation. Yet we seem to accept things now as the norm!! Why? Why should these delinquents get away with carrying knives, throwing acid, shooting people. " No. Society is not in decline Yes maybe a few more people are stabbed but less innocent people are killed by d*unk drivers. Yes some people throw acid at people but the general public can go shopping on a football match day without fear of being caught up in football violence. Your making sweeping general comments and referring to vague time scales and periods. Which all add up to complete cobblers. | |||
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"There have always been gangs, always been stabbings, always been drugs. Just now there is also 24 hour media, so we hear about it quicker and more in your face. Each generation will remember their youth fondly. " You hit the nail on the head there. We are just more exposed and aware of what is going on. In all fairness to our current young folk. I think there is less racism and less sexism. They are drinking less and more aware of social issues. I don't think it has got worse. Its changed, not worse. | |||
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"There have always been gangs, always been stabbings, always been drugs. Just now there is also 24 hour media, so we hear about it quicker and more in your face. Each generation will remember their youth fondly. You hit the nail on the head there. We are just more exposed and aware of what is going on. In all fairness to our current young folk. I think there is less racism and less sexism. They are drinking less and more aware of social issues. I don't think it has got worse. Its changed, not worse. " I agree in the majority you’re correct, but the issues not about the good kids, my issue is about the rising social an adequacy of the poorer classes. That’s where society issues are | |||
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" I agree in the majority you’re correct, but the issues not about the good kids, my issue is about the rising social an adequacy of the poorer classes. That’s where society issues are" At least, that's what the media portrays.. There's been an awful lot of poverty porn in recent years, numerous series in fact, but other than the odd program about high profile asset stripping directors, banking fraud, pension thieves & tax evading multinationals, there's precious little exposure of the upper class/elite class wrongs, who have been systematically screwing various systems for decades, completely invisibly. We`re talking about dozens of individuals taking billions out of the British economy, year in, year out, sometimes for generations, as well as nationals & multinationals doing the same. These people are literally receiving millions, weekly, in interest alone for doing absolutely nothing. Many have never worked a day in their lives, yet, despite having this enormous wealth that would take 100 lifetimes to spend, they still actively do everything they can to continue evading taxes, like its a big game of monopoly.. Theres £6-8bn lost in "legitimate" tax avoidance every year, no one knows the exact figure we're losing to illegal avoidance, but it will dwarf that figure. The level of greed & lack of morals is staggering. The national `pot` isnt inexhaustible. The BoE can keep printing more money to cover this almost unretrievable money, but ultimately the more they do it, the less the £ is worth. There's always been "elites" in every country, hidden away, who have often inherited their wealth portfolio, but if you look at western wealth divide, its been ballooning since the 80`s, when the whole "greed is good" ethos took off, as did active tax avoidance & evasion on a grand scale. Why have the government been so reluctant to close tax loopholes & actively kerb evasion that has led us to this situation? Because many have their hand in the pot, or are from families who have their hands in the pot.. This is the main reason public services are collapsing, the resulting deterioration of standards, both living & social standards, for the rest of us is directly attributable to the ever increasing lack of money in the national pot, & this plays out on the streets in the form of low end lawlessness, and this is what people see, this . I`m not a communist, there's benefits to capitalism, but the unchecked capitalism & sickening greed we`ve been experiencing over the last few decades destroys countries, & social systems, leading to the street level criminality described by the original topic question. There's more reasons, obviously, but low level crime & antisocial behaviour is simply a byproduct of destitution & desperation caused by poverty & wealth divide. Sorry for writing a small essay first thing in the morning, well done in you got this far! | |||
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" I agree in the majority you’re correct, but the issues not about the good kids, my issue is about the rising social an adequacy of the poorer classes. That’s where society issues are At least, that's what the media portrays.. There's been an awful lot of poverty porn in recent years, numerous series in fact, but other than the odd program about high profile asset stripping directors, banking fraud, pension thieves & tax evading multinationals, there's precious little exposure of the upper class/elite class wrongs, who have been systematically screwing various systems for decades, completely invisibly. We`re talking about dozens of individuals taking billions out of the British economy, year in, year out, sometimes for generations, as well as nationals & multinationals doing the same. These people are literally receiving millions, weekly, in interest alone for doing absolutely nothing. Many have never worked a day in their lives, yet, despite having this enormous wealth that would take 100 lifetimes to spend, they still actively do everything they can to continue evading taxes, like its a big game of monopoly.. Theres £6-8bn lost in "legitimate" tax avoidance every year, no one knows the exact figure we're losing to illegal avoidance, but it will dwarf that figure. The level of greed & lack of morals is staggering. The national `pot` isnt inexhaustible. The BoE can keep printing more money to cover this almost unretrievable money, but ultimately the more they do it, the less the £ is worth. There's always been "elites" in every country, hidden away, who have often inherited their wealth portfolio, but if you look at western wealth divide, its been ballooning since the 80`s, when the whole "greed is good" ethos took off, as did active tax avoidance & evasion on a grand scale. Why have the government been so reluctant to close tax loopholes & actively kerb evasion that has led us to this situation? Because many have their hand in the pot, or are from families who have their hands in the pot.. This is the main reason public services are collapsing, the resulting deterioration of standards, both living & social standards, for the rest of us is directly attributable to the ever increasing lack of money in the national pot, & this plays out on the streets in the form of low end lawlessness, and this is what people see, this . I`m not a communist, there's benefits to capitalism, but the unchecked capitalism & sickening greed we`ve been experiencing over the last few decades destroys countries, & social systems, leading to the street level criminality described by the original topic question. There's more reasons, obviously, but low level crime & antisocial behaviour is simply a byproduct of destitution & desperation caused by poverty & wealth divide. Sorry for writing a small essay first thing in the morning, well done in you got this far! "Exactly this! | |||
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"Please don’t get confused as to what my thread is about, my point is merely to say society in general is on a decline. Things were not like this when I grew up. Nobody got stabbed, you may have got in a fight, but you’d never expect to die from that altercation. Yet we seem to accept things now as the norm!! Why? Why should these delinquents get away with carrying knives, throwing acid, shooting people. No. Society is not in decline Yes maybe a few more people are stabbed but less innocent people are killed by d*unk drivers. Yes some people throw acid at people but the general public can go shopping on a football match day without fear of being caught up in football violence. Your making sweeping general comments and referring to vague time scales and periods. Which all add up to complete cobblers. " Indeed. I remember the seventies and eighties. Casual violence was much more socially acceptable then than it is now, never mind the violence meted out to black people, gays and so on which pretty much everyone turned a blind eye to. It was also the time of violent industrial disputes and IRA terrorism. The good old days my arse. | |||
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"Erm...reality check here. Crime is increasing, violent crime marginally so, however per capita of the population it remains quite steady. Even the recent increase over the last three years has been put down to a drive within police forces to better record crime by the Office of National Statistics. What we have today is a 24hr media that needs to fill every minute so there’s more focus on the bad stuff as well as the big stuff. When there was only an update three or four times a day, only the really big geo-political stuff got reported, along with some of the more sensational crimes. Now, every time someone so much as stubs their toe, there seems to be a vox pop with their neighbour. This is what I really worry about, because this is how you give up personal freedoms...by starting to believe that you are less safe and secure than you were" Well you can prove anything with facts! | |||
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" I agree in the majority you’re correct, but the issues not about the good kids, my issue is about the rising social an adequacy of the poorer classes. That’s where society issues are At least, that's what the media portrays.. There's been an awful lot of poverty porn in recent years, numerous series in fact, but other than the odd program about high profile asset stripping directors, banking fraud, pension thieves & tax evading multinationals, there's precious little exposure of the upper class/elite class wrongs, who have been systematically screwing various systems for decades, completely invisibly. We`re talking about dozens of individuals taking billions out of the British economy, year in, year out, sometimes for generations, as well as nationals & multinationals doing the same. These people are literally receiving millions, weekly, in interest alone for doing absolutely nothing. Many have never worked a day in their lives, yet, despite having this enormous wealth that would take 100 lifetimes to spend, they still actively do everything they can to continue evading taxes, like its a big game of monopoly.. Theres £6-8bn lost in "legitimate" tax avoidance every year, no one knows the exact figure we're losing to illegal avoidance, but it will dwarf that figure. The level of greed & lack of morals is staggering. The national `pot` isnt inexhaustible. The BoE can keep printing more money to cover this almost unretrievable money, but ultimately the more they do it, the less the £ is worth. There's always been "elites" in every country, hidden away, who have often inherited their wealth portfolio, but if you look at western wealth divide, its been ballooning since the 80`s, when the whole "greed is good" ethos took off, as did active tax avoidance & evasion on a grand scale. Why have the government been so reluctant to close tax loopholes & actively kerb evasion that has led us to this situation? Because many have their hand in the pot, or are from families who have their hands in the pot.. This is the main reason public services are collapsing, the resulting deterioration of standards, both living & social standards, for the rest of us is directly attributable to the ever increasing lack of money in the national pot, & this plays out on the streets in the form of low end lawlessness, and this is what people see, this . I`m not a communist, there's benefits to capitalism, but the unchecked capitalism & sickening greed we`ve been experiencing over the last few decades destroys countries, & social systems, leading to the street level criminality described by the original topic question. There's more reasons, obviously, but low level crime & antisocial behaviour is simply a byproduct of destitution & desperation caused by poverty & wealth divide. Sorry for writing a small essay first thing in the morning, well done in you got this far! "You’re spot on. | |||
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"There have always been gangs, always been stabbings, always been drugs. Just now there is also 24 hour media, so we hear about it quicker and more in your face. Each generation will remember their youth fondly. You hit the nail on the head there. We are just more exposed and aware of what is going on. In all fairness to our current young folk. I think there is less racism and less sexism. They are drinking less and more aware of social issues. I don't think it has got worse. Its changed, not worse. I agree in the majority you’re correct, but the issues not about the good kids, my issue is about the rising social an adequacy of the poorer classes. That’s where society issues are" Maybe. But that’s not the issue you raised in your original post. You keep changing the the intent of your post. As to this current statement. ‘Poorer’ classes less well behaved? Poor behaviour cuts across all social classes. There are Yobs working in The City and business as well as hiding within the shadows of a rundown council estate. You seem to have some snobbish warped sense of how society actually is. | |||
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