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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. " How do you know it was unprovoked? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. " Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? | |||
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"He pinned him down and waterboarded him. You might think it's hurt feelings hurt, but it's assault. Not only that the poor boy has a bloody cast on. I think there should be a charge, but it should involve some kind of rehabilitation programme. I went through years of bullying and this kind of crap is on another level. I was unlucky and I had my cheekbone fractured. The girl was charged and sent to rehab courses. The girl is now a care worker and has a child. Thankfully she completely changed her life around. L xx" He didn't fucking waterboard him. Do you even know what that term means!?! | |||
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"Assault is assault and a 16 year old should know better. The location the age and the degree of assault is no excuse. " Ok so age is no excuse. Let's give 2 year olds criminal records then? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? " A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. How do you know it was unprovoked?" Watching the video, the 15 year old is minding his own business. I'm saying that there's no way to claim this was self defence. | |||
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"Assault is assault and a 16 year old should know better. The location the age and the degree of assault is no excuse. Ok so age is no excuse. Let's give 2 year olds criminal records then? " Again... a two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility. And you said that seriously? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. " Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? " No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. " Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? " That is the stupidest comparison I have ever read. A 16 year old knows right from wrong and 2 year old doesn't!! 16 years old and pinning someone down by their neck is assault. A 2 year old hitting thsir mum is their way of testing the boundaries, they soon learn that they cannot do this. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. " He allegedly broke this boys wrist but not got reported by school a few weeks before and now this , yes he does deserve it ,what kind of adult is he going to make ? His sister has been attacked yesterday too by the bullies sister ! | |||
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"Agree with the OP. The world has become far too “sensitive”. He should get a clip round the ear and be grounded for a good while with no console etc. Of course if he persists in being a cock, then take things further as necessary." Interesting... who should administer the clip around the ear? And who sets the limits on being a cock, when is too far too far? | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are" Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are" | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. He allegedly broke this boys wrist but not got reported by school a few weeks before and now this , yes he does deserve it ,what kind of adult is he going to make ? His sister has been attacked yesterday too by the bullies sister !" The boy does have a broken wrist. If he did that then it's a serious injury and then yes, police action might be appropriate. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. How do you know it was unprovoked? Watching the video, the 15 year old is minding his own business. I'm saying that there's no way to claim this was self defence." But we don't know what happened before the start of the video. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. " The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'?" A playground fight is not bullying. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? That is the stupidest comparison I have ever read. A 16 year old knows right from wrong and 2 year old doesn't!! 16 years old and pinning someone down by their neck is assault. A 2 year old hitting thsir mum is their way of testing the boundaries, they soon learn that they cannot do this. " I'm exploring the cut off point. So far everyone is dodging my question about 10 year olds... | |||
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"Agree with the OP. The world has become far too “sensitive”. He should get a clip round the ear and be grounded for a good while with no console etc. Of course if he persists in being a cock, then take things further as necessary. Interesting... who should administer the clip around the ear? And who sets the limits on being a cock, when is too far too far?" Parents if they’re worth their salt | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive?" Utter bollucks, go watch the video | |||
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"At sixteen I had a full time job. I moved out into my own home at barely seventeen. I was in a committed relationship. You KNOW better at sixteen. It’s illegal. And he should be charged. Comparing it to a two year old having a tantrum and hitting his mum is surreal. " For the fourth time then, how about a 10 year old? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'?" Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. | |||
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"At sixteen I had a full time job. I moved out into my own home at barely seventeen. I was in a committed relationship. You KNOW better at sixteen. It’s illegal. And he should be charged. Comparing it to a two year old having a tantrum and hitting his mum is surreal. " I was the same. But “we” knew better at 16. The world is different now and most kids can’t look after themselves at 16 cause they are brought up very differently... | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. " Another non answer then | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. " Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? " How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. Another non answer then " Hardly. What didn’t you understand? | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing?" Dictionary definition of waterboarding:- "an interrogation technique simulating the experience of drowning, in which a person is strapped head downwards on a sloping board or bench with the mouth and nose covered, while large quantities of water are poured over the face." I'm not defending the attackers actions, but all I saw in the video was him pouring water on the face of the victim. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! " Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? | |||
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"Agree with the OP. The world has become far too “sensitive”. He should get a clip round the ear and be grounded for a good while with no console etc. Of course if he persists in being a cock, then take things further as necessary. Interesting... who should administer the clip around the ear? And who sets the limits on being a cock, when is too far too far? Parents if they’re worth their salt" And if they aren't? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? " Yep. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'?" A playground fight is very different to targeting one boy several times. He sister has also been bullied aswell. This seems to have been an ongoing thing. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. Another non answer then Hardly. What didn’t you understand? " Imagine everything about this case is the same except the bully is 10 not 16, should he be charged? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. " Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? " But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing?" Go watch the video for yourself then. It's shameful you to trivialise torture in this way. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. Another non answer then Hardly. What didn’t you understand? Imagine everything about this case is the same except the bully is 10 not 16, should he be charged? " I’d refer you to my question which you haven’t answered. Are they breaking the law? Do they have the mental capacity? It’s relatively easy to charge people but gaining a conviction is another kettle of fish. | |||
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"It disgusts me when I see this kind of thing making the rounds on social media. Teenagers full on attacking each other. It should be taken very seriously by authorities as it can lead to more serious fighting involving weapons. How the police and cps choose to deal with it is another matter. Suspended sentence. Conditional discharge even. There are plenty of ways to show that near adult the error of his ways. He may be schoolboy but he is far from being a child and certainly not in below the age of criminal responsibility. That threshold was lowered to 10 in the early 90s. And for good reason too. " You clearly didn't watch the video. A "full on" attack would at least have a strike. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing? Go watch the video for yourself then. It's shameful you to trivialise torture in this way. " It is far more shameful that you seem to think assault should go unpunished. Nita | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! " Great point. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? " Because I'm interested in what peoples cut off point is. Clearly from all the non-answers and evisions, most people are uncomfortable with charging 10 year olds for this sort of thing, except the one person who did give a straight answer. So we know that it's not as simple as the age of criminal responsibility. So somewhere between 10 and 16, people have a cut off point and I'm interested where that is... | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. " As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. Another non answer then Hardly. What didn’t you understand? Imagine everything about this case is the same except the bully is 10 not 16, should he be charged? " At 10 they know right from wrong too , I have family who know this bullies family ,older brother in prison for assault and battery , mum a d*unk and violent ,younger sister violent towards the poor boy from this videos sister just yesterday! So yes he should be arrested and hopefully he will learn from this... | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing? Go watch the video for yourself then. It's shameful you to trivialise torture in this way. It is far more shameful that you seem to think assault should go unpunished. Nita" Try reading the whole of the original post where i explicitly said he should be punished | |||
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"At sixteen I had a full time job. I moved out into my own home at barely seventeen. I was in a committed relationship. You KNOW better at sixteen. It’s illegal. And he should be charged. Comparing it to a two year old having a tantrum and hitting his mum is surreal. For the fourth time then, how about a 10 year old? " Yes | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? Because I'm interested in what peoples cut off point is. Clearly from all the non-answers and evisions, most people are uncomfortable with charging 10 year olds for this sort of thing, except the one person who did give a straight answer. So we know that it's not as simple as the age of criminal responsibility. So somewhere between 10 and 16, people have a cut off point and I'm interested where that is... " I’m not uncomfortable with charging a 10 year old. My niece is 12 years old so 2 years off 10, and if she had been the bully in the video I’d expect her to be arrested for it too. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? No, because the 2 year old is under the age of 10 when the law states that they become criminally liable for their actions. Ok So are you ok with 10 year olds getting criminal records for playground 'fights'? Haha, are they breaking the law? If so then they are, by law, criminally responsible if they have the mental capacity to understand their actions etc. That’s a better question to ask. Another non answer then Hardly. What didn’t you understand? Imagine everything about this case is the same except the bully is 10 not 16, should he be charged? I’d refer you to my question which you haven’t answered. Are they breaking the law? Do they have the mental capacity? It’s relatively easy to charge people but gaining a conviction is another kettle of fish. " We're not debating what the law is. We're debating opinions on what it should be. | |||
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"Assault is assault and a 16 year old should know better. The location the age and the degree of assault is no excuse. Ok so age is no excuse. Let's give 2 year olds criminal records then? " See now, in this country at least, you're old enough to legally have sex at 16, but you can't buy a porn mag, go to the off license and buy a beer for your loved one then go and vote for the Raving Monster Loony Party. You should be accountable for your actions. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? " Don’t forget to add that this boy had his wrist broken by bullied in October, was bullied continually for months. His sister was also bullied as recent as the day before the attack if I recall from the comment. So much so, she attempted to commit suicide. But hey, let’s give the kid a warning. He’s only 16. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? " Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. | |||
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"I am an older guy. For two years every single night and day I had 4 boys from 8 to 9 plus a 13 year old . Break down my back gate.throw stones eggs anything at my windows damaged my car. Banged kicked my door and Windows. The family refuse to say that there kids did anything. They even tried to tell the police I was a paedophile. Because it got so bad the police was here everyday. They would not stop. On till I put cameras outside. And 3 of them got criminal records. So I don't care about any of the Wee suits where I live" shits | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Don’t forget to add that this boy had his wrist broken by bullied in October, was bullied continually for months. His sister was also bullied as recent as the day before the attack if I recall from the comment. So much so, she attempted to commit suicide. But hey, let’s give the kid a warning. He’s only 16. " Nobody's saying "give him a warning". I would have said that an incident where he broke the boys wrist is sufficient grounds for exclusion. I wasn't aware of that back story, where did you find it? The video I saw was a trivial incident, breaking someone's wrist is not. | |||
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"Agree with the OP. The world has become far too “sensitive”. He should get a clip round the ear and be grounded for a good while with no console etc. Of course if he persists in being a cock, then take things further as necessary." Maybe he’s had numerous warnings already and this is the further as necessary. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. The bully got his mates to film it and has shared it on social media. If he hadn't sought out notoriety he wouldn't be getting nicked, it's his own fault the police are involved and I'm certainly not sorry that they are Its frankly shameful of you to use the term waterboarding in this context. Why is it? I';m merely repeationg how many media source has viewed the incident. Are you saying that all the reporting on this incident is shameful? Would it be reasonable to suggest that your lack of empathy for the victim, is part of the reason that you seem to be feeling that the buly is somehow a victim due to the retribution he is now facing? Go watch the video for yourself then. It's shameful you to trivialise torture in this way. It is far more shameful that you seem to think assault should go unpunished. Nita Try reading the whole of the original post where i explicitly said he should be punished " OK, I should have clarified. Please read as "arrested for assault". Given this is seemingly an on going thing, previous punishment has clearly been ineffective. If it were my child...either of them...I would say the same. If such things are not taken seriously, it is far more likely to escalate further. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. " Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. " The hypothetical exact same attack by an 11 year old doesn't exist, it doesn't seem to stop you discussing it though | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? Well that doesn’t compare. A two year old is 8 years below the age of criminal responsibility for a start." Ooooh! That might be construed as a ‘non answer’! | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? Utter bollucks, go watch the video" I have watched the video, and the word is spelled "bollocks". | |||
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"I am an older guy. For two years every single night and day I had 4 boys from 8 to 9 plus a 13 year old . Break down my back gate.throw stones eggs anything at my windows damaged my car. Banged kicked my door and Windows. The family refuse to say that there kids did anything. They even tried to tell the police I was a paedophile. Because it got so bad the police was here everyday. They would not stop. On till I put cameras outside. And 3 of them got criminal records. So I don't care about any of the Wee suits where I live" Parents too should be made accountable too, they let their kids out and not watching them | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do?" Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? Utter bollucks, go watch the video I have watched the video, and the word is spelled "bollocks"." Then you should be ashamed of yourself for trivialising torture in such a way. Its an insult to real victims of waterboarding to put this in the same category. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. The hypothetical exact same attack by an 11 year old doesn't exist, it doesn't seem to stop you discussing it though" Incidents like this involving 11 year olds happen every day in the country. The school had not and could not "wash their hands with him". | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Don’t forget to add that this boy had his wrist broken by bullied in October, was bullied continually for months. His sister was also bullied as recent as the day before the attack if I recall from the comment. So much so, she attempted to commit suicide. But hey, let’s give the kid a warning. He’s only 16. Nobody's saying "give him a warning". I would have said that an incident where he broke the boys wrist is sufficient grounds for exclusion. I wasn't aware of that back story, where did you find it? The video I saw was a trivial incident, breaking someone's wrist is not. " On Facebook posted by a friend of the family. It was shared on my page. There’s is also an additional video being shared that shows his sister being bullied. | |||
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"I don’t agree with the concept of ‘punishment’. I prefer ‘re-education and rehabilitation’. " In some cases this might be the best way of dealing with offenders, but look at the Jamie Bulger case, Jon Venables went on to commit further crime when given the opportunity to start a new life | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? That is the stupidest comparison I have ever read. A 16 year old knows right from wrong and 2 year old doesn't!! 16 years old and pinning someone down by their neck is assault. A 2 year old hitting thsir mum is their way of testing the boundaries, they soon learn that they cannot do this. I'm exploring the cut off point. So far everyone is dodging my question about 10 year olds..." I know of an 11 year old who took an iron bar to a little old lady in the course of a robbery. I'm fine with 10. It's not like convicted 10 year olds go to mainstream adult prison. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? " I agree with this the thug is 16 he knew full well what he was doing especially as his friends filmed it why keep asking what if he was 11. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? That is the stupidest comparison I have ever read. A 16 year old knows right from wrong and 2 year old doesn't!! 16 years old and pinning someone down by their neck is assault. A 2 year old hitting thsir mum is their way of testing the boundaries, they soon learn that they cannot do this. I'm exploring the cut off point. So far everyone is dodging my question about 10 year olds... I know of an 11 year old who took an iron bar to a little old lady in the course of a robbery. I'm fine with 10. It's not like convicted 10 year olds go to mainstream adult prison." No but the criminal record essential ensures they won't get a decent job in future and we know where that leads. In your example, some serious physical harm and a robbery was committed. In the video I've seen, there was nothing more than a bully humiliating a victim, which is wrong but incredibly common as kids learn how to act properly in society. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? I agree with this the thug is 16 he knew full well what he was doing especially as his friends filmed it why keep asking what if he was 11. " The title of the thread starts with "should". It's about opinions on whether this should go to the law, the law is very straight forward on this once the police are involved. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. " I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. It was this cunt that caused the lad to break his arm so yes, charges should be bought. People like you thatd let your kids bully and grow up to be minless thugs" Idiotic response. I'd never let my child behave the way this bully did. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. It was this cunt that caused the lad to break his arm so yes, charges should be bought. People like you thatd let your kids bully and grow up to be minless thugs Idiotic response. I'd never let my child behave the way this bully did. " Well you class it as trivial shit, so how trivial would it be if your kid had his arm broke then continuous bullying. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. " No that comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Bullying is bullying does not mean that bullying does not contain showing off. Why didnt he punch him if he really wanted to hurt him? What he obviously wanted was to look cool in front of his friends and he is going about it in totally the wrong way. If you aren't aware that neglected children will misbehave to get attention then i really wonder where you've been. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. The hypothetical exact same attack by an 11 year old doesn't exist, it doesn't seem to stop you discussing it though Incidents like this involving 11 year olds happen every day in the country. The school had not and could not "wash their hands with him". " Again I have to point out your mistake. Schools do exclude kids they can't handle and yes many of them are basically left for the parents to sort because there are not the specialist units for them to go to. So yes schools can and do wash their hands of them. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. It was this cunt that caused the lad to break his arm so yes, charges should be bought. People like you thatd let your kids bully and grow up to be minless thugs Idiotic response. I'd never let my child behave the way this bully did. Well you class it as trivial shit, so how trivial would it be if your kid had his arm broke then continuous bullying. " Breaking someone's arm is not trivial. Pouring water over then for 3 seconds is. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. The hypothetical exact same attack by an 11 year old doesn't exist, it doesn't seem to stop you discussing it though Incidents like this involving 11 year olds happen every day in the country. The school had not and could not "wash their hands with him". Again I have to point out your mistake. Schools do exclude kids they can't handle and yes many of them are basically left for the parents to sort because there are not the specialist units for them to go to. So yes schools can and do wash their hands of them. " It's not my mistake, it's your interpretation. The boy should have been excluded if and when he broke the kids wrist. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. No that comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Bullying is bullying does not mean that bullying does not contain showing off. Why didnt he punch him if he really wanted to hurt him? What he obviously wanted was to look cool in front of his friends and he is going about it in totally the wrong way. If you aren't aware that neglected children will misbehave to get attention then i really wonder where you've been. " I give up. You are too far down the 'ah poor little darlings' road to see sence. I wish you well in your pink fluffy world. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. The hypothetical exact same attack by an 11 year old doesn't exist, it doesn't seem to stop you discussing it though Incidents like this involving 11 year olds happen every day in the country. The school had not and could not "wash their hands with him". Again I have to point out your mistake. Schools do exclude kids they can't handle and yes many of them are basically left for the parents to sort because there are not the specialist units for them to go to. So yes schools can and do wash their hands of them. It's not my mistake, it's your interpretation. The boy should have been excluded if and when he broke the kids wrist." Yes, he should have been excluded, and walked out of school in handcuffs charged with gbh. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. No that comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Bullying is bullying does not mean that bullying does not contain showing off. Why didnt he punch him if he really wanted to hurt him? What he obviously wanted was to look cool in front of his friends and he is going about it in totally the wrong way. If you aren't aware that neglected children will misbehave to get attention then i really wonder where you've been. I give up. You are too far down the 'ah poor little darlings' road to see sence. I wish you well in your pink fluffy world. " Yeah I'm a real bleeding heart liberal | |||
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"I don’t agree with the concept of ‘punishment’. I prefer ‘re-education and rehabilitation’. In some cases this might be the best way of dealing with offenders, but look at the Jamie Bulger case, Jon Venables went on to commit further crime when given the opportunity to start a new life he shouldn’t have been let out in my not at all humble opinion. " Exactly, that is where society is letting us down. I spent 10 years at boarding school, and any sort of bullying was quickly stamped out, usually without the teacher's intervention. It has to be instilled into modern youth that this kind of behaviour is just not acceptable. | |||
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"I do love these 'what's your opinion? I don't care about your opinion' type threads " Call it that if you like. I see it as "what's your opinion", "let's test that opinion". We got there eventually with about 6 people saying they support the decision and would even if the bully was a bit younger. I'm in the minority on this one. | |||
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"I don’t agree with the concept of ‘punishment’. I prefer ‘re-education and rehabilitation’. In some cases this might be the best way of dealing with offenders, but look at the Jamie Bulger case, Jon Venables went on to commit further crime when given the opportunity to start a new life he shouldn’t have been let out in my not at all humble opinion. Exactly, that is where society is letting us down. I spent 10 years at boarding school, and any sort of bullying was quickly stamped out, usually without the teacher's intervention. It has to be instilled into modern youth that this kind of behaviour is just not acceptable. " Jamie Bulger and Jon Venables are totally fucked up beyond repair. I don't think this bully is... yet. I think he will be if he gets a criminal record. If he does then this won't be his last crime. | |||
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"I'm with the op on this one. The head master should have been allowed to addressed this matter and allowed to dish out the appropriate punishment to fit the crime. This country has gone PC mad. The lunatic are now running the asylum. " Wahoo, it's about 3 on our side and about 7 declared against | |||
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"I don’t agree with the concept of ‘punishment’. I prefer ‘re-education and rehabilitation’. In some cases this might be the best way of dealing with offenders, but look at the Jamie Bulger case, Jon Venables went on to commit further crime when given the opportunity to start a new life he shouldn’t have been let out in my not at all humble opinion. Exactly, that is where society is letting us down. I spent 10 years at boarding school, and any sort of bullying was quickly stamped out, usually without the teacher's intervention. It has to be instilled into modern youth that this kind of behaviour is just not acceptable. Jamie Bulger and Jon Venables are totally fucked up beyond repair. I don't think this bully is... yet. I think he will be if he gets a criminal record. If he does then this won't be his last crime. " Thompson and Venables are fucked up. James Bulger was the baby they killed. | |||
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"I don’t agree with the concept of ‘punishment’. I prefer ‘re-education and rehabilitation’. In some cases this might be the best way of dealing with offenders, but look at the Jamie Bulger case, Jon Venables went on to commit further crime when given the opportunity to start a new life he shouldn’t have been let out in my not at all humble opinion. Exactly, that is where society is letting us down. I spent 10 years at boarding school, and any sort of bullying was quickly stamped out, usually without the teacher's intervention. It has to be instilled into modern youth that this kind of behaviour is just not acceptable. Jamie Bulger and Jon Venables are totally fucked up beyond repair. I don't think this bully is... yet. I think he will be if he gets a criminal record. If he does then this won't be his last crime. Thompson and Venables are fucked up. James Bulger was the baby they killed. " Ooops, it was a bit before my time. Apologies I meant Thompson and Venables | |||
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"Whether the bully was 10 or 16, he was a bully (which by definition means it was not an isolated incident) and he assaulted somebody, of course police should get involved and yes charges should be applied. It's also quite sad to see that at 16 he is coming from a fairly dysfunctional home and, it's been reported, he actively follows Britain First, a far right group... Hopefully he will benefit from some rehabilitation and one to one education. " Interesting development, where did you find that? That's deeply sad. | |||
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"I blame the parent who supports a banned league. You cannot choose your parents but to change you have to have a strength and will to do it. I think the future will be very interesting when these children grow up and face the real world." Sadly I don't think he ever will, he's on the fast track to a life in and out of prison. Sounds like he had a shit start in life and doesn't have the skills to get off that track. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. No that comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Bullying is bullying does not mean that bullying does not contain showing off. Why didnt he punch him if he really wanted to hurt him? What he obviously wanted was to look cool in front of his friends and he is going about it in totally the wrong way. If you aren't aware that neglected children will misbehave to get attention then i really wonder where you've been. I give up. You are too far down the 'ah poor little darlings' road to see sence. I wish you well in your pink fluffy world. Yeah I'm a real bleeding heart liberal Yet oddly you seem to be when the victim is a 16 year old racist thug... You've even said a criminal sentence would be odd for him Odd that only a few days ago moped muggers deserved all they got, same age, same dysfunctional background, although the sterotype would suggest a differing ethnicity" Exactly my thoughts. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? But the bully is 16? What is the point of a debate as to whether an 11 year old should be arrested if they did the same thing? How is a hypothetical scenario relevant to what actually happened? " | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? " That's silly, as when laws on accountability are decided then development milestones are considered. A toddler is deemed as not being able to regulate emotion as this part of the brain, and language development hasn't matured, moral judgement, understanding right from wrong and understanding cause and consequence should be understood by high school children, therefore deemed a developmentally appropriate age to be held accountable for their actions. | |||
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"Whether the bully was 10 or 16, he was a bully (which by definition means it was not an isolated incident) and he assaulted somebody, of course police should get involved and yes charges should be applied. It's also quite sad to see that at 16 he is coming from a fairly dysfunctional home and, it's been reported, he actively follows Britain First, a far right group... Hopefully he will benefit from some rehabilitation and one to one education. Interesting development, where did you find that? That's deeply sad. I'm not a Daily Mail reader by any stretch but this caught my eye https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6438149/Teenager-accused-water-board-attack-Britain-supporter.html" Ok so his wrist was broken on October 7th, I really don't understand what it means by "A previous unconnected incident on 7 October, in which the victim suffered a wrist injury, was also fully investigated at the time." This happened on the 25th of October and the boy was finally excluded on the 20th of November. | |||
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"Ooops, it was a bit before my time. Apologies I meant Thompson and Venables " Yeah Thompson seems to have settled down and integrated into society as a mature adult, albeit under a new identity, and he has got to live with what he did for the rest of his life. Venables on the other hand, has been given the same opportunity through rehabilitation to turn his life around, but he just spurned it | |||
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"So getting my head around that, the bully would have been interviewed by police regarding the wrist incident before this happened. He then still thought it was a good idea to film himself bullying the kid. Damn. Well when the facts change then my opinion changes, I can't defend that. Yes he should have known better by age 16. He deserves to be charged. " If he'd been 11 when he broke the arm, would he deserve to be charged then? | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? Utter bollucks, go watch the video I have watched the video, and the word is spelled "bollocks". Then you should be ashamed of yourself for trivialising torture in such a way. Its an insult to real victims of waterboarding to put this in the same category. " I'm not trivialising anything. You, on the other hand, are trivialising an assault that emulated a torture technique, quite possibly on the basis of the victims' race and religion. | |||
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"So getting my head around that, the bully would have been interviewed by police regarding the wrist incident before this happened. He then still thought it was a good idea to film himself bullying the kid. Damn. Well when the facts change then my opinion changes, I can't defend that. Yes he should have known better by age 16. He deserves to be charged. If he'd been 11 when he broke the arm, would he deserve to be charged then?" It's right on the border for me. It's almost certain he's getting the inspiration for this at home. If that's the case, does an 11 year old really know what is objective moral behaviour in the face of their parents telling them the opposite? However, after being interviewed once by the police then that should have been a huge wake up call, even for an 11 year old. | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? Utter bollucks, go watch the video I have watched the video, and the word is spelled "bollocks". Then you should be ashamed of yourself for trivialising torture in such a way. Its an insult to real victims of waterboarding to put this in the same category. I'm not trivialising anything. You, on the other hand, are trivialising an assault that emulated a torture technique, quite possibly on the basis of the victims' race and religion." No it didn't. To be waterboarded you must be strapped down, have your head lower than your legs, your face covered and a large quantity of water poured on you. None of those things happened. You Should be ashamed of making such a comparison. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. As you are entitled to do. But as you like hypothetical scenarios. Your child is bullied repeatedly by an eleven year old. The school have washed their hands of the bully and the parents don't give a toss. Your last recourse is the law, what do you do? Why should that bully not be excluded and send to a pupil referal unit? The scenario you present does not exist. Okay the bully is excluded from school the referral unit has been closed (it's happening look it up) the bullying takes place in the local park. A real world situation that happens every day. What do you do? Yes in that circumstance, I'm comfortable with the criminal charges. I just think that school is a very artificial environment that breeds this kind of bullshit showing off, which is what he was doing. I'm sorry but that's twaddle. Excusing bullying as showing off is just namby pamby crap. The location has nothing to do with it bullying is bullying. To use your logic it's like saying its okay to sexually abuse a woman if she is dressed in a revealing outfit. There is never a justifiable excuse for violence from someone who knows better. No that comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Bullying is bullying does not mean that bullying does not contain showing off. Why didnt he punch him if he really wanted to hurt him? What he obviously wanted was to look cool in front of his friends and he is going about it in totally the wrong way. If you aren't aware that neglected children will misbehave to get attention then i really wonder where you've been. I give up. You are too far down the 'ah poor little darlings' road to see sence. I wish you well in your pink fluffy world. Yeah I'm a real bleeding heart liberal Yet oddly you seem to be when the victim is a 16 year old racist thug... You've even said a criminal sentence would be odd for him Odd that only a few days ago moped muggers deserved all they got, same age, same dysfunctional background, although the sterotype would suggest a differing ethnicity Odd for pouring a bottle of water over someone's head, not for breaking their wrist " Simple answer from me. If my child is getting bullied and nothing was being done by either the authorities or the child's parent. I would take matters into my own hands. The bullies father would get beat to severely. May not be acceptable but nobody bullies my children and walks away | |||
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"So... Just watched itv news and now I have an opinion lol Any unwanted hands on contact is an assault. Thars a fact. But bullying is not new. Children fighting in school is not new. Victims crying themselves to sleep at night is not new (I did it), victims not wanting to go to d hool isn't new schools doing next to nothing about it isn't new. So why this story? Why are news agencies asking what the country is coming to based on one video of a kid being bullied? " So the elephant in the room is the victims status as a refugee. But also this kind of event would have been impossible in the pre-smartphone era so it's shocking that kids are essentially uploading the evidence against them onto YouTube. | |||
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"So getting my head around that, the bully would have been interviewed by police regarding the wrist incident before this happened. He then still thought it was a good idea to film himself bullying the kid. Damn. Well when the facts change then my opinion changes, I can't defend that. Yes he should have known better by age 16. He deserves to be charged. If he'd been 11 when he broke the arm, would he deserve to be charged then? It's right on the border for me. It's almost certain he's getting the inspiration for this at home. If that's the case, does an 11 year old really know what is objective moral behaviour in the face of their parents telling them the opposite? However, after being interviewed once by the police then that should have been a huge wake up call, even for an 11 year old. " But at the start of the thread you felt that the 16 year old shouldn't have even been interviewed bu the police. You said it wasn't a police matter. But now the hypothetical 11 year old should have been interviewed and learnt from that? | |||
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"So there's a video of an unprovoked attack by a 16 year old boy on a 15 year old at school. The boy is being charged with assault. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with dragging the police into schools to sort out this kind of trivial shit. Yes, it is trivial shit, go watch the video. Weapons used - no? Punches thrown - no? Injuries sustained - no? Worth a criminal record - no, in my opinion. Feelings hurt - Yes. Is he a bully - Yes. It's easy to be horrified by the video but look a little closer. The fact that the 16 year old allowed it to be filmed, the fact that he picked on someone with a broken wrist that he knew couldn't fight back and the fact that he didn't punch him, is all telling you something. This is a boy who was on a power trip. That is actually relatively easy behaviour to correct, but criminal records aren't about correcting future behaviour. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but there has to be a period of time where children learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour without the police involvement. The attackers copied a torture technique used by the CIA, (And probably the British security services), on a Syrian child refugee. If they did that to your child, would you be as dismissive? Utter bollucks, go watch the video I have watched the video, and the word is spelled "bollocks". Then you should be ashamed of yourself for trivialising torture in such a way. Its an insult to real victims of waterboarding to put this in the same category. I'm not trivialising anything. You, on the other hand, are trivialising an assault that emulated a torture technique, quite possibly on the basis of the victims' race and religion. No it didn't. To be waterboarded you must be strapped down, have your head lower than your legs, your face covered and a large quantity of water poured on you. None of those things happened. You Should be ashamed of making such a comparison. " Do you know what the word "pedant" means? | |||
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"So getting my head around that, the bully would have been interviewed by police regarding the wrist incident before this happened. He then still thought it was a good idea to film himself bullying the kid. Damn. Well when the facts change then my opinion changes, I can't defend that. Yes he should have known better by age 16. He deserves to be charged. If he'd been 11 when he broke the arm, would he deserve to be charged then? It's right on the border for me. It's almost certain he's getting the inspiration for this at home. If that's the case, does an 11 year old really know what is objective moral behaviour in the face of their parents telling them the opposite? However, after being interviewed once by the police then that should have been a huge wake up call, even for an 11 year old. But at the start of the thread you felt that the 16 year old shouldn't have even been interviewed bu the police. You said it wasn't a police matter. But now the hypothetical 11 year old should have been interviewed and learnt from that? " Please quote me correctly. Pouring water on a kids head or shoving them to the ground is not an event on its own that warrants police attention when done by a child. The kind of savagery needed to break someone's wrist is. Its critical that the wrist break happened before this video, which in isolation would have been trivial. | |||
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"All these people saying he should get a slap on the wrist. would be calling for the death penalty if it was their kids " Let's be honest if the Syrian kid had been the aggressor the calls for clemency wouldn't be happening either | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. " no matter what the age. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle." It is also being reported that the boy took part in an attack on a young girl who has since had to be home schooled due to fear of leaving her house | |||
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"So... Just watched itv news and now I have an opinion lol Any unwanted hands on contact is an assault. Thars a fact. But bullying is not new. Children fighting in school is not new. Victims crying themselves to sleep at night is not new (I did it), victims not wanting to go to d hool isn't new schools doing next to nothing about it isn't new. So why this story? Why are news agencies asking what the country is coming to based on one video of a kid being bullied? So the elephant in the room is the victims status as a refugee. But also this kind of event would have been impossible in the pre-smartphone era so it's shocking that kids are essentially uploading the evidence against them onto YouTube. " The elephant is a very large one. Perhaps the 80000.00+ donated to them will help with a nice move and all is forgotten. However the youth of today have no sense. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. It is also being reported that the boy took part in an attack on a young girl who has since had to be home schooled due to fear of leaving her house" This was reported by Tommy Robinson in a video. I’m sorry but unless there’s video evidence like there is for the refugee and his sister being bullied. I call bullshit. I was reading the comments and there’s a good few amount of troll accounts making up stories to suit their agenda. Of course certain people will believe it and will be quick to share the “other side”. | |||
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"It is widely been reported that it was racially motivated. He attempted to waterboard him. That goes way beyond a playground scuffle. It is also being reported that the boy took part in an attack on a young girl who has since had to be home schooled due to fear of leaving her house This was reported by Tommy Robinson in a video. I’m sorry but unless there’s video evidence like there is for the refugee and his sister being bullied. I call bullshit. I was reading the comments and there’s a good few amount of troll accounts making up stories to suit their agenda. Of course certain people will believe it and will be quick to share the “other side”. " Well in the video, the sister is being attacked by two girls... But the bottom line is that if you were falsely accused of breaking someone's wrist and had a police interview. The last thing you'd do is film yourself bullying them! | |||
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"The thing that this really drives home is that we have a massive problem with extremism in this country, and that far right extremism is being normalised. He's reportedly follows far right groups but let's be honest much of the right wing media and particularly the Mail and Sun have repeatedly attacked refugees and assylum seekers, dehumanised them and made it clear they aren't welcome. This isn't the bullies fault, he's been radicalised. And this should scare the shit out of all of us." Absolutely agree. The Daily Fail & The Sun and their headlines are outrageous, far too many people are influenced by their articles. | |||
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"The thing that this really drives home is that we have a massive problem with extremism in this country, and that far right extremism is being normalised. He's reportedly follows far right groups but let's be honest much of the right wing media and particularly the Mail and Sun have repeatedly attacked refugees and assylum seekers, dehumanised them and made it clear they aren't welcome. This isn't the bullies fault, he's been radicalised. And this should scare the shit out of all of us. Absolutely agree. The Daily Fail & The Sun and their headlines are outrageous, far too many people are influenced by their articles. " Are they? I'd be willing to bet this kid has a shitty relationship with a shitty racist father and on some level he thinks this will gain approval from said father | |||
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"I would like to see the video." Put "Almondbury Community School" into YouTube | |||
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"The thing that this really drives home is that we have a massive problem with extremism in this country, and that far right extremism is being normalised. He's reportedly follows far right groups but let's be honest much of the right wing media and particularly the Mail and Sun have repeatedly attacked refugees and assylum seekers, dehumanised them and made it clear they aren't welcome. This isn't the bullies fault, he's been radicalised. And this should scare the shit out of all of us. Absolutely agree. The Daily Fail & The Sun and their headlines are outrageous, far too many people are influenced by their articles. " The daily Mail's reporting was far better than the BBCs. If I'd read the daily Mail's version first then I wouldn't have started the thread. The BBC made it seem like the central issue was that a refugee got a bottle of fecking water poured over this head. The reality was that a kid had broken another kids wrist, been interviewed by police and carried on anyway. None of that was present in the BBC version. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. " Put it another way then. At what age should they be prosecuted? | |||
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"The thing that this really drives home is that we have a massive problem with extremism in this country, and that far right extremism is being normalised. He's reportedly follows far right groups but let's be honest much of the right wing media and particularly the Mail and Sun have repeatedly attacked refugees and assylum seekers, dehumanised them and made it clear they aren't welcome. This isn't the bullies fault, he's been radicalised. And this should scare the shit out of all of us. Absolutely agree. The Daily Fail & The Sun and their headlines are outrageous, far too many people are influenced by their articles. The daily Mail's reporting was far better than the BBCs. If I'd read the daily Mail's version first then I wouldn't have started the thread. The BBC made it seem like the central issue was that a refugee got a bottle of fecking water poured over this head. The reality was that a kid had broken another kids wrist, been interviewed by police and carried on anyway. None of that was present in the BBC version. " Well, it might have upset someone.. | |||
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"It is assault. It is illegal. It is wrong. Good luck finding a child who has never assaulted anyone. How about a 2 year old that has a temper and hits their mum, should they get a criminal record too? A two year old is below the age of criminal responsibility so a bit of a daft thing to say really. Ok my bad. You're fine with 11 year olds getting criminal records then? How old were Jamie Bulgers killers? Bullying is a step down the wrong path and if the bully can't be shown the error of their ways by other means then yes I'm okay with an eleven year old getting a record especially if it was one of my family being bullied! Take this case exactly how it is, but the boys age is 11 not 16, do you think it is right to charge him? Yep. Thank you for your straight answer. I totally disagree. Put it another way then. At what age should they be prosecuted? " With what i now know about the case, certainly by 13 but I'm still uncomfortable with 11. He should have been excluded before this event even happened. His parents have a lot to answer for. | |||
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"The BBC video? Pulls him to ground and pours his drink on him? Naaaaahhhh Fucking hell. Boys do that stuff all day long in schools. There isn't enough background to this story. I just see a bigger boy picking on a smaller boy in school. And it's not a terribly violent crime. It's borderline bullying but I've had worse. Boys will be boys...They aren't adults. He's hardly running around London on a moped with a machete." ‘Boys will be boys’ terrifies me to be honest...hate that excuse. Heard it so many times, been told it so many times and basically blamed for the abuse/assult/bullying I received | |||
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"But that's the problem of today when I was at school I would have got the Cain etc. Schools can't do anything now. I seen kids send home and then being send back. Because the school upset the kids. Families can't punish the kids.so only thing that you can do is call the police. My dad would have went nuts if I did anything bad in school. Tesco selling kids clothes saying I break the rules. " This ... This is the root of the problem there never was and never will be with some kids any other solution than a bloody good wallop from parent or deputy head teacher which is what happened in my day, because some teachers took it to far The do gooders stepped in and here we are some 35 years later with the spoils. | |||
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