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"Do you have a link to the case in point -it's not that I don't believe your version of events, but it's always useful to understand the wider context of the case and see if there were any reasons given for this decision -sometimes it's easy to fall back on moral outrage when you don't have the wider context to hand." Just type Rotherham r@pe case in google . | |||
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"Do you have a link to the case in point -it's not that I don't believe your version of events, but it's always useful to understand the wider context of the case and see if there were any reasons given for this decision -sometimes it's easy to fall back on moral outrage when you don't have the wider context to hand. Just type Rotherham r@pe case in google ." Or Sammy Woodhouse  | |||
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"Ok -I am going to throw a real clanger in here: What happens if the child wants to meet his father, who's rights do we then protect?" If the child wants to meet the father then we should respect his wishes. From what I read in the article, his mother has been honest with him about his father and he has backed her in her decision to waiv her right to anonymity. I sincerely doubt that he would want anything to do with his biological father but if he chose to then his wishes must be followed. | |||
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"Ok -I am going to throw a real clanger in here: What happens if the child wants to meet his father, who's rights do we then protect?" In this case, the child didn't want to. His mother has waived anonymity with the child's full consent (he's 17). He's as horrified as she is. | |||
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"Ok -I am going to throw a real clanger in here: What happens if the child wants to meet his father, who's rights do we then protect? In this case, the child didn't want to. His mother has waived anonymity with the child's full consent (he's 17). He's as horrified as she is. " Fair enough -you've answered my question -the wider issue is that denying a father rights of access to the child does however interfere with the legal premise for rights of the child in that: "Children's rights includes their right to association with both parents". So, setting a legal precedent where rapists are automatically denied rights of access would fundamentally interfere with the rights of the child per say (in general terms). yes, the law is at best a crude instrument but it's the best method we have to navigate very complex and non binary issues. | |||
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"Poor brave lad. " Debate can't happen unless all options are considered -otherwise it's just meaningless consensus. | |||
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"So a guy r@pes a woman after grooming her as an underage teenager , she falls pregnant , he gets sentenced to 26 years in prison . And then , get this ..... he gets the right to see the child ! And this is against the wishes of the mother . What kind of bullshit law allows this ? "It is typical of our system, absolutely disgraceful!! 
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"The 'father' in jail was approached by social workers to ask if he wanted access; he refused. The mother has waived her right to anonymity to expose the stupidity and danger of this process. The father did not instigate the request. " Exactly , so how stupid is a system which has social workers going into prison to see if the convicted groomer and r@pist wants the right to see his child ? The child born out of his despicable behaviour . It’s like going into prison to see if the bank robber wants to spend some of the money he nicked . Actually it isn’t , because him doing so doesn’t actually hurt anyone’s feelings like this does . Whoever sanctioned the social workers to go and ask him wants to take a serious look at themselves  | |||
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"The 'father' in jail was approached by social workers to ask if he wanted access; he refused. The mother has waived her right to anonymity to expose the stupidity and danger of this process. The father did not instigate the request. Exactly , so how stupid is a system which has social workers going into prison to see if the convicted groomer and r@pist wants the right to see his child ? The child born out of his despicable behaviour . It’s like going into prison to see if the bank robber wants to spend some of the money he nicked . Actually it isn’t , because him doing so doesn’t actually hurt anyone’s feelings like this does . Whoever sanctioned the social workers to go and ask him wants to take a serious look at themselves "Exactly. If the boy is 17 then it's his view that matters, he doesn't want to see his dad so case closed. It's another case of the loonies in the state presuming the criminal is the victim in all this. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there" It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most! | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there" Haha, still not one good reason for Brexit. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!" european court of human rights push these bullshit laws | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws" No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU." It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . " It's not his rights or the child in question's rights I am defending -rather the rights of other children. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there Haha, still not one good reason for Brexit. " | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . It's not his rights or the child in question's rights I am defending -rather the rights of other children." So if the child decided they did want to see their father in these circumstances , you’d be ok with it ? The mother has been through hell and this comes up to bite her in the arse again . The child would go to the prison and visit the man that r@ped his mother , and that’s ok ? Not in my book it isn’t . | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws" The 1989 Children's Act has nothing to do the EU | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . It's not his rights or the child in question's rights I am defending -rather the rights of other children. So if the child decided they did want to see their father in these circumstances , you’d be ok with it ? The mother has been through hell and this comes up to bite her in the arse again . The child would go to the prison and visit the man that r@ped his mother , and that’s ok ? Not in my book it isn’t ." The point of the post was to criticise the law was it not? | |||
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"Has the ‘dad’ been named in the papers? If he has someone’s more or less garunteed to jug him or something. Just for the press coverage. "Yes, he has. | |||
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"Has the ‘dad’ been named in the papers? If he has someone’s more or less garunteed to jug him or something. Just for the press coverage.
Yes, he has. "Oooops. He’s a nonce, he’s ‘famous’ someone will think they can look heroic. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . It's not his rights or the child in question's rights I am defending -rather the rights of other children. So if the child decided they did want to see their father in these circumstances , you’d be ok with it ? The mother has been through hell and this comes up to bite her in the arse again . The child would go to the prison and visit the man that r@ped his mother , and that’s ok ? Not in my book it isn’t . The point of the post was to criticise the law was it not?" It was , and is from this response of mine . | |||
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"Has the ‘dad’ been named in the papers? If he has someone’s more or less garunteed to jug him or something. Just for the press coverage.
Yes, he has.
Oooops. He’s a nonce, he’s ‘famous’ someone will think they can look heroic. "And when the perpetrator of this form of karma is charged for jugging him , the social worker who brought this to a head will have to be held accountable too . | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " Just take it easy, Anders Breivik | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs Just take it easy, Anders Breivik "Lmfao | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " As opposed to the celebrity culture that protected Jimmy Savile or the Catholic and English Churches that hid their abuse. Have you read the Bible ? Child abuse knows no boundaries of race or religion. | |||
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"Do you have a link to the case in point -it's not that I don't believe your version of events, but it's always useful to understand the wider context of the case and see if there were any reasons given for this decision -sometimes it's easy to fall back on moral outrage when you don't have the wider context to hand." Really you know nothing about this. All over the media for two days. | |||
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"He should not have contact with any child under 18." this 100%. As the guy has been named, as has what he was sent to prison for, he absolutely will be on the sex offenders register. That then begs the question, WTF were social services doing asking him if he want's to see his son. Complete fucking morons, whoever made that decision should be sacked for gross incompetence. | |||
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"He should not have contact with any child under 18. this 100%. As the guy has been named, as has what he was sent to prison for, he absolutely will be on the sex offenders register. That then begs the question, WTF were social services doing asking him if he want's to see his son. Complete fucking morons, whoever made that decision should be sacked for gross incompetence."Seems crazy to me! | |||
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"Do you have a link to the case in point -it's not that I don't believe your version of events, but it's always useful to understand the wider context of the case and see if there were any reasons given for this decision -sometimes it's easy to fall back on moral outrage when you don't have the wider context to hand. Really you know nothing about this. All over the media for two days." Yes but we know how accurate most media is
So far only one person - a guy- has given a really decent reply without all the pitchforks forks and nooses.
Imagine if SS hadn’t mentioned to the criminal his ‘rights’ under law and some smart ass lawyer then tried to sue for compensation due to lack of being informed- and possibly won.
The laws not perfect. It’s always a work in progress. But it’s better than many other options.
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"He should not have contact with any child under 18. this 100%. As the guy has been named, as has what he was sent to prison for, he absolutely will be on the sex offenders register. That then begs the question, WTF were social services doing asking him if he want's to see his son. Complete fucking morons, whoever made that decision should be sacked for gross incompetence."This from The Daily Mail - "It is understood the Ministry of Justice is investigating whether the decision to involve the serial rapist was the result of a social worker's error or systemic failings." Hopefully, whichever fuckwit social worker instigated this farce will get booted out from their job and shunned by the community in general | |||
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"Do you have a link to the case in point -it's not that I don't believe your version of events, but it's always useful to understand the wider context of the case and see if there were any reasons given for this decision -sometimes it's easy to fall back on moral outrage when you don't have the wider context to hand. Really you know nothing about this. All over the media for two days. Yes but we know how accurate most media is
So far only one person - a guy- has given a really decent reply without all the pitchforks forks and nooses.
Imagine if SS hadn’t mentioned to the criminal his ‘rights’ under law and some smart ass lawyer then tried to sue for compensation due to lack of being informed- and possibly won.
The laws not perfect. It’s always a work in progress. But it’s better than many other options.
Not saying the result is right but just stating with a level head. "Well it’s easy to have a level head when the case has nothing to do with you on a personal level . Imagine how she feels , watch her as she speaks , and how she has to go through such an ordeal all over again . And yes , she is a part of the work in progress regarding the law , which is an ass in this and so many other similar cases . | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time?" Blame the parents... Nice one. | |||
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"This smells like fake news... no social services gets involved with custody of a 17 year old man. There are probably elements of truth, but this has been cobbled together to make a shock horror headline." Did you watch the 6pm news on BBC1 just now? | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Blame the parents... Nice one. "This poster has made similar vile comments before on this matter. If I can find the thread, I'll post the link then everybody can see what a nasty piece of work he is. | |||
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" So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time?" I know your left wing liberal prospective on most subjects just by having a few exchanges with you. You probably worked as a teacher. In some cases you will say "victim blameing" But in the case of Muslim men targeting under age girls your very happy to "victim blame" Ofcourse most of these girls who were victims were dysfunctional to start with. (I'm not saying all of them) But if I come across a dysfunctional girl aged 12-14 I don't assume they deserve to be fucked by old Muslim men... I don't "slut shame" the victim because she couldn't behave in school. She's treated as a victim... You have basicly insinuated victim blaming... Ofcourse at the time I was 14 I would make jokes and insult them... But it was normal in my childhood for dysfunctional girls to be openly abused by Muslim gangs in rochdale. Now I know differently... I only took it seriously after the first convictions were on the news... You may find it shocking but we would call them "p**i shaggers" and should shun them socially... It was normal...nobody thought much of it. It was all in the open. The authorities were not intrested. This is what happens when the Labour party is in power. No expense is spared for the new Muslims. Even if it has an effect on the local population... This is marxism/kalergiism I don't hold the victims or the animals responsible... My problem is left wing liberals. I hold them accountable every time a moped mugging strikes in London or a girl is groomed up north by foreign men... It's liberals and labour voters who are indirectly responsible for every terror attack/grooming/moped mugging... I've traveled the world and I can find much better people to give British citizenship to. Friendly blacks and Asians and eastern Europeans... Countries like japan/korea/thailand/Zambia We would even be better with Mexicans! But your a Marxist so you don't accept cultures are not all the same. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Blame the parents... Nice one.
This poster has made similar vile comments before on this matter. If I can find the thread, I'll post the link then everybody can see what a nasty piece of work he is."https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/813217#last | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Blame the parents... Nice one.
This poster has made similar vile comments before on this matter. If I can find the thread, I'll post the link then everybody can see what a nasty piece of work he is.
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"Amazes me how you can legally kill an unborn child who's the product of a sexual assault through no fault of it's own. But you can't kill the guy that made it. Now that's victim blame. " Ohhh that's one to get me started... Abortion 
I believe in pro choice (especially assault babies)
But the other circumstances. I'm happy for other people to kill their own unborn babies. They are mostly left wing people. Though I think it's morraly wrong to kill children. I know conservative inteligent people won't do it...
I wouldn't do it... I wouldn't be able to live with the decision.
If I was a woman I would only abort an assault baby...I wouldn't abort mistake babies.
Abortion IS killing a fully concious living human.
And the pro abortion people will claim to be vegans etc....
They are stupid people. It's better that less children are born into left wing families so left wing people eventually kill their own offspring and we don't have them for future generations to suffer.
I do support women killing the assault baby if it's their choice.
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time?" Seriously ? Maybe it’s because there are people like you saying this kind of thing that the Mother has come out now . I’m sure she would far rather keep herself to herself and live as normal a life as she can . But all the while people blame her parents , and girls like her have people blaming their parents too , they feel they need a voice . And that’s what she is doing now . Fair play to her | |||
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"Seems pretty disgraceful doesn't it. Unfortunately, it would seem that when the 1989 Childrens Act was introduced, I doubt that cases such as this had even been considered, as, under this act, the family court MUST give precedence to the best interests of the child and will always look to ensure that the child has a relationship with both of it's parents except under very specific circumstances. I've had more than my fair share of experience within the family court, so I'm quite familiar with it. Just to give an example, one partner could have beaten the other black and blue (and I am deliberately keeping this neutral as it is not just men that commit abuse) on a regular basis and yet may still have a family order ruled in their favour with regard to contact with their child as the violence would have only been perpetrated against the other parent and not the child. In this particular case, it would appear that the convicted party had not made any request to have contact with the child, at least not until after a social worker had apparently advised him to do so. I would seriously doubt, if the mother has good representation, that such an application to the court would ultimately be successful, as it would be likely that the crime he was convicted for would most likely result in him being considered too dangerous to be allowed near any child. That said, he is serving a 35 year sentence. Any contact he may have would be within the prison in which he is serving his sentence, which I don't think is a particularly good place to take a child. I do feel sorry for the childs mother as, not only will she have the stress of a court case to deal with, but likely this will stir up painful memories of her own abuse. " The amended Children's act 1994 acknowledges that a child at risk of 'significant harm' doesn't necessarily mean physical abuse against the child, it can mean emotional abuse a child would suffer from witnessing an attack, neglect maybe, as his needs aren't being met. So a child could be significantly harmed emotionally, by being a witness. It's the wording that is key. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " Kind of ignores the Conservative party government from 1979 over many years, plus a certain Theresa May who was Home Secretary for many years, before becoming Prime Minister. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Blame the parents... Nice one.
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I don’t agree that it was vile. Some parents are useless and don’t give a shit about what their kids get up to. Not blaming the parents here to be CLEAR but surely some must have noticed something wrong with their children’s behaviour during this time. "Have you watched the documentaries and films about these cases ? I’m guessing not because you are way off the truth on this one . You’d be surprised how manipulative these people can be . They do more than just groom the girls , they teach them what to say , how to behave , and how they can keep their actions from their parents and teachers . | |||
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" I don’t agree that it was vile. Some parents are useless and don’t give a shit about what their kids get up to. Not blaming the parents here to be CLEAR but surely some must have noticed something wrong with their children’s behaviour during this time. " Most these girls were in some form of care because their parents were indeed fuckwits. Every day in the UK, 4 babies are born addicted to drugs so yes there are a lot of shitty parents. But I'd reject any version of events that didn't start by putting the lions share of the blame on the criminal. There is no excuse for a 35 year old man to be in that situation with a 14 year old girl. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Seriously ? Maybe it’s because there are people like you saying this kind of thing that the Mother has come out now . I’m sure she would far rather keep herself to herself and live as normal a life as she can . But all the while people blame her parents , and girls like her have people blaming their parents too , they feel they need a voice . And that’s what she is doing now . Fair play to her "I think he was referring to the Rochdale situation the other poster mentioned. Saying everyone knew it was going on. | |||
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" I don’t agree that it was vile. Some parents are useless and don’t give a shit about what their kids get up to. Not blaming the parents here to be CLEAR but surely some must have noticed something wrong with their children’s behaviour during this time. Most these girls were in some form of care because their parents were indeed fuckwits. Every day in the UK, 4 babies are born addicted to drugs so yes there are a lot of shitty parents. But I'd reject any version of events that didn't start by putting the lions share of the blame on the criminal. There is no excuse for a 35 year old man to be in that situation with a 14 year old girl. " Totally ageee with you. The blame can only be pointed at the animals that started it. I just question the ones with parents and the above poster saying that everyone knew at the time. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Blame the parents... Nice one.
This poster has made similar vile comments before on this matter. If I can find the thread, I'll post the link then everybody can see what a nasty piece of work he is.
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I don’t agree that it was vile. Some parents are useless and don’t give a shit about what their kids get up to. Not blaming the parents here to be CLEAR but surely some must have noticed something wrong with their children’s behaviour during this time.
Have you watched the documentaries and films about these cases ?
I’m guessing not because you are way off the truth on this one .
You’d be surprised how manipulative these people can be . They do more than just groom the girls , they teach them what to say , how to behave , and how they can keep their actions from their parents and teachers ."I’m just questioning the above poster saying that everyone knew it was going on at the time. | |||
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"So a guy r@pes a woman after grooming her as an underage teenager , she falls pregnant , he gets sentenced to 26 years in prison . And then , get this ..... he gets the right to see the child ! And this is against the wishes of the mother . What kind of bullshit law allows this ? "I knew what this thread was going to be about before I even opened it. I was aghast this morning when I heard this. Poor girl and her son. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Seriously ? Maybe it’s because there are people like you saying this kind of thing that the Mother has come out now . I’m sure she would far rather keep herself to herself and live as normal a life as she can . But all the while people blame her parents , and girls like her have people blaming their parents too , they feel they need a voice . And that’s what she is doing now . Fair play to her
I think he was referring to the Rochdale situation the other poster mentioned. Saying everyone knew it was going on. "He may well have been , but the point is that a 14 year old girl shouldn’t be made to feel at fault because her parents didn’t care properly for her . Although the poster was possibly over zealous about the way the left wing councils didn’t want to be seen to be racist , the fact is that he is right in many ways . If the Pakistani community felt they were being persecuted , there’s every chance they would have been molly coddled by the councils for fear of racism . So we blame the parents instead of blaming the perpetrators ? That’s madness , and wrong in my mind . | |||
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"Vote in tories, get peado lovers. What else would you expect from terrible Theresa May's mockery of a government? " Rotherham Labour run council and all this was already reported to then Labour government - guess who didnt do owt ? Is easy to point fingers and create trouble how about getting facts right and doing something - like saying the truth ? Abbott defended the gangs and said it was a "white" problem.. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Seriously ? Maybe it’s because there are people like you saying this kind of thing that the Mother has come out now . I’m sure she would far rather keep herself to herself and live as normal a life as she can . But all the while people blame her parents , and girls like her have people blaming their parents too , they feel they need a voice . And that’s what she is doing now . Fair play to her
I think he was referring to the Rochdale situation the other poster mentioned. Saying everyone knew it was going on.
He may well have been , but the point is that a 14 year old girl shouldn’t be made to feel at fault because her parents didn’t care properly for her .
Although the poster was possibly over zealous about the way the left wing councils didn’t want to be seen to be racist , the fact is that he is right in many ways . If the Pakistani community felt they were being persecuted , there’s every chance they would have been molly coddled by the councils for fear of racism . So we blame the parents instead of blaming the perpetrators ? That’s madness , and wrong in my mind ."It seems everyone else is getting blamed before the actual perpetrators. | |||
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"How can you be a sex offender and be able to get access to a child is beyond me. Where does safeguarding fit in that scenario. " | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs So what we're the parents of these children doing to protect them at the time? Seriously ? Maybe it’s because there are people like you saying this kind of thing that the Mother has come out now . I’m sure she would far rather keep herself to herself and live as normal a life as she can . But all the while people blame her parents , and girls like her have people blaming their parents too , they feel they need a voice . And that’s what she is doing now . Fair play to her
I think he was referring to the Rochdale situation the other poster mentioned. Saying everyone knew it was going on.
He may well have been , but the point is that a 14 year old girl shouldn’t be made to feel at fault because her parents didn’t care properly for her .
Although the poster was possibly over zealous about the way the left wing councils didn’t want to be seen to be racist , the fact is that he is right in many ways . If the Pakistani community felt they were being persecuted , there’s every chance they would have been molly coddled by the councils for fear of racism . So we blame the parents instead of blaming the perpetrators ? That’s madness , and wrong in my mind .
It seems everyone else is getting blamed before the actual perpetrators. "And that’s because we live in a society that serves to protect the perpetrators until they can’t do so any longer because the evidence is so obvious ! And even when they get rightly imprisoned , they are asked if they would like to meet their kids that were born from their inhuman actions | |||
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" Have you watched the documentaries and films about these cases ? I’m guessing not because you are way off the truth on this one . You’d be surprised how manipulative these people can be . They do more than just groom the girls , they teach them what to say , how to behave , and how they can keep their actions from their parents and teachers ." When we were teenagers we used to get the girls to go to the kebbab shop because we couldn't get served for ciggarets and alcohol. Girls in my school class spent all night with them sometimes. They often showed off about it. They were proud of themselves. One of them decided to convert to Islam. When I first want to foxhole house children's home (whitworth road) for my crb etc...for care work... A girl came in my room acting wierd... She was removed. Later I was told she hung around the whitworth road kebbab shops (i did business with)...and she would be in the news very soon. I know individually some of these people. I remember when they had older Pakistani boyfriends while in school. They were normally dysfunctional know it alls.... Most people in rochdale knew about it in plain sight. People knew that had older Muslim boyfriends. It was in the open. I walked with my grandad at night around Haymer behind the school. You would see gangs of older Asian lads messing around with drink under age white girls... It was in plain sight. How many times does that need to be emphasized? It wasn't a secretive thing... The community (myself included) saw them as traitors and "p**i shaggers" But now we know differently. Predators target vulnerable people. | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " I'm curious as to how many edl marches you've been on, I imagine a lot | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!" I second your response. I'm glad you said it as I felt lost for words. | |||
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"Seems pretty disgraceful doesn't it. Unfortunately, it would seem that when the 1989 Childrens Act was introduced, I doubt that cases such as this had even been considered, as, under this act, the family court MUST give precedence to the best interests of the child and will always look to ensure that the child has a relationship with both of it's parents except under very specific circumstances. I've had more than my fair share of experience within the family court, so I'm quite familiar with it. Just to give an example, one partner could have beaten the other black and blue (and I am deliberately keeping this neutral as it is not just men that commit abuse) on a regular basis and yet may still have a family order ruled in their favour with regard to contact with their child as the violence would have only been perpetrated against the other parent and not the child. In this particular case, it would appear that the convicted party had not made any request to have contact with the child, at least not until after a social worker had apparently advised him to do so. I would seriously doubt, if the mother has good representation, that such an application to the court would ultimately be successful, as it would be likely that the crime he was convicted for would most likely result in him being considered too dangerous to be allowed near any child. That said, he is serving a 35 year sentence. Any contact he may have would be within the prison in which he is serving his sentence, which I don't think is a particularly good place to take a child. I do feel sorry for the childs mother as, not only will she have the stress of a court case to deal with, but likely this will stir up painful memories of her own abuse. The amended Children's act 1994 acknowledges that a child at risk of 'significant harm' doesn't necessarily mean physical abuse against the child, it can mean emotional abuse a child would suffer from witnessing an attack, neglect maybe, as his needs aren't being met. So a child could be significantly harmed emotionally, by being a witness. It's the wording that is key." Indeed , but would unlikely apply in this case since the child was a result of an assault and that the father had never been around the child. Technicalities. | |||
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"So just to be clear, the issue is that the grapist was offering the ability to ask for child contact. The offer was made by Rotherham council. Yes that same council that basically covered up the abuse when it happened. They are now concerned with following the law, but the MoJ have said it wasn't their business to do this. Sounds like the same stinking council still more worried about being racist than protecting people. " Exactly this . Absolutely hit the nail on the head | |||
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"We people of rochdale all witnessed what was happening since the 1970s. Girls in my school class were involved. Kebbab shop owners I did business with were involved. Everyone in rochdale was very vocal about it for 40 years. Hears to you labour party and liberals. Your going to have to explain your kalergi plan. I don't blame the Pakistanis from tribal regions or the teenage girls who were at the back end of society. I blame liberal left wing minded politicians and public service workers and the policies they have. I made plenty of jokes about the situation throughout high school and I was punished for being "wacist" What else can you do? It was all in plain sight... While liberal kalergi minded politicians/voters in the home counties ignored everything. I don't like a certain religion because it condones what I see as institutionalized abuse to women and girls. It's not me who wants a multicultural multi faith country... It's always "shit holes" like rochdale Oldham Bradford Luton who must suffer living with foreign culture that clashed with us. It's 1 specific culture....nobody else...it's a death cult... If liberals and leftists are so bloody sure immigration from these places is fine then you should move to rochdale. Those girls were victims of the Labour party. You can't blame an animal for doing what it does. You blame the person who put the girl in the cage with the animal... E.g....filling her town with Isis alquida and Taliban who all worship a violent sociopath who married an under age girl... It's written in their book ffs " What a load of *bleep*. | |||
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"So just to be clear, the issue is that the grapist was offering the ability to ask for child contact. The offer was made by Rotherham council. Yes that same council that basically covered up the abuse when it happened. They are now concerned with following the law, but the MoJ have said it wasn't their business to do this. Sounds like the same stinking council still more worried about being racist than protecting people. Exactly this . Absolutely hit the nail on the head "And just to answer my own earlier question, no there are no charges against any of the leadership. Just a report that says there were "substantial organisational failings", "widespread evidence of extremely poor practice", "files were also deliberately corrupted", lies about data security breaches. But because "no one alone could be held culpable". If you believe that last sentence then you'll believe anything. Oh and ofstead says their child services are now "good". Horseshit. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU. It’s an absolute joke that it’s a law at all . Surely you give up a certain amount of your human rights when you behave like he is . " Quite right,he took away that womans human right to not live in fear and to say no to sex therefore he should loose his rights but no the dogooders want to step in again on the side of the badmen their just missundertood. | |||
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"What the holy fuck another reason for brexit there It's statements like these that make me fear for the future of this island the most!european court of human rights push these bullshit laws No -I think you'll find it stated under the Universal declaration of Human Rights -a thing all nations have signed up to and not just the EU -let alone being dictated by the EU." Would this be the same rules that ban executions for some crimes that all countries signed up to. No you are thinking of the idea not the real, we have had a number of cases overuled in the EU because of a different interpretation to britsh law so don't give us "we all signed up to", this case is just wrong no interpretation needed "Just Wrong". | |||
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