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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ?" Serves the nasty little fuckers right. | |||
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"I totally agree with the hard line approach but I can already see the queue of no win no fee solicitors lining up to represent the little fuckers in a cases against the police. And ultimately one will get killed and then everyone will be up in arms; "oh how did that happen, whos fault is it an innocent kid on a bike died?"... forget that he had a string of muggings behind the little shit! That north London case where the kid died while being chased by the police is just an example of the type of shite storms yet to come.. If the police cannot use a fucking water cannon to stop rioters then ramming little scrotes on scooters will definitely is destined to fail... Too many do-gooders willing to pander to criminals while making it impossible for victims to get any semblance of justice.. "
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"I totally agree with the hard line approach but I can already see the queue of no win no fee solicitors lining up to represent the little fuckers in a cases against the police. And ultimately one will get killed and then everyone will be up in arms; "oh how did that happen, whos fault is it an innocent kid on a bike died?"... forget that he had a string of muggings behind the little shit! That north London case where the kid died while being chased by the police is just an example of the type of shite storms yet to come.. If the police cannot use a fucking water cannon to stop rioters then ramming little scrotes on scooters will definitely is destined to fail... Too many do-gooders willing to pander to criminals while making it impossible for victims to get any semblance of justice..
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"I wouldn't want to be the first officer that kills one of them or leaves them with life changing injuries. I can see why the police are doing it but can't see how it can ever be deemed a proportional response " How would you stop them? Stingers don't work, chasing them don't work as they bolt down pavements putting members of the public at risk, they're often on stolen bikes so can't trace them after the event. I do get what you are saying but they chose that path and if they know that path might lead to being knocked off their bike then that's a choice they make. Anyway. Half the videos I've seen on Facebook have been them just falling off after losing control. | |||
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"I totally agree with the hard line approach but I can already see the queue of no win no fee solicitors lining up to represent the little fuckers in a cases against the police. And ultimately one will get killed and then everyone will be up in arms; "oh how did that happen, whos fault is it an innocent kid on a bike died?"... forget that he had a string of muggings behind the little shit! That north London case where the kid died while being chased by the police is just an example of the type of shite storms yet to come.. If the police cannot use a fucking water cannon to stop rioters then ramming little scrotes on scooters will definitely is destined to fail... Too many do-gooders willing to pander to criminals while making it impossible for victims to get any semblance of justice.. " I can certainly agree here | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not." Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime" It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be the first officer that kills one of them or leaves them with life changing injuries. I can see why the police are doing it but can't see how it can ever be deemed a proportional response How would you stop them? Stingers don't work, chasing them don't work as they bolt down pavements putting members of the public at risk, they're often on stolen bikes so can't trace them after the event. I do get what you are saying but they chose that path and if they know that path might lead to being knocked off their bike then that's a choice they make. Anyway. Half the videos I've seen on Facebook have been them just falling off after losing control. " Hopefully as I said, it will be a deterrent. How long though until it becomes a rite of passage. | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully " Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. " Yep. That's how it works apparently but the police don't mete out justice. | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. Yep. That's how it works apparently but the police don't mete out justice." True. I guess we need to save the space in our prisons for the real criminals who post thought crimes on YouTube and Instagram. | |||
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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ?" From the dash cam. | |||
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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ? From the dash cam. " I loved the reactions. One of the drivers stood right back up and stick his arms out, you knew he was saying "u wot m8?" | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. Yep. That's how it works apparently but the police don't mete out justice. True. I guess we need to save the space in our prisons for the real criminals who post thought crimes on YouTube and Instagram. " I actually think we've got to the stage where "they" need to be more afraid of us than we are of them but I'm not ready to chop hands off of shoplifters quite yet. | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime" You have a warped idea of justice | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. Yep. That's how it works apparently but the police don't mete out justice. True. I guess we need to save the space in our prisons for the real criminals who post thought crimes on YouTube and Instagram. I actually think we've got to the stage where "they" need to be more afraid of us than we are of them but I'm not ready to chop hands off of shoplifters quite yet." To be honest, a lot of crime is impulsive and therefore it's fairly delusional to imagine criminals making rational calculations, that they would decide against if the justice was harsher etc. When you strip it back, the rational decision would have been to steralise their parents but I'm not ready for that approach yet. | |||
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"It’s been a long time coming, the government have brought in new legislation this year which protects the police from prosecution when these scum bags get hurt. There was a traffic Bobby up in crown court last year for driving his car into the path of a scrambler rider who had been riding on pavements during the day in the city centre, the rider suffered minor injuries but the Bobby was charged with dangerous driving. He got found not guilty by a jury and the judge slammed the cps for charging him in the first place. That and other cases brought about the new legislation. The bobbies have been waiting a long time for the restrictions to be lifted but even now, only highly trained traffic officers can use these tactics and you’ll see on the videos that they wait until the speed drops sufficiently before they knock them off. Every one of the riders gets up and tries to run off. It has been publicised that these tactics will be used so it is their choice to take those risks. I’m all for it. " I'm pretty sure there is no new legislation, just new guidelines within the Met (who I think are the only force doing this). As I said before I wouldn't want to be the first officer to kill one of them. I can see why the Met are doing this, they are high profile crimes but legally it is leaving them wide open | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime You have a warped idea of justice" Warped idea? These people are scum, they refuse to abide by the laws of the country. This is a last resort do capture them. Maybe you ought to think of the victims rather than protecting the 'poor innocent' criminals. | |||
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"How about name and shame, pics in local papers, and on line social media rogues gallery. Take away all their social media. Hit them where it hurts, freeze all benefits? Obviously after they have been found guilty. " If they knew who they were their wouldn’t be this much crime mate. That’s the reason why they are using bikes. So easy to get away. | |||
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"*there" And then the police wonder why they are being attacked... hmmmm | |||
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"It’s been a long time coming, the government have brought in new legislation this year which protects the police from prosecution when these scum bags get hurt. There was a traffic Bobby up in crown court last year for driving his car into the path of a scrambler rider who had been riding on pavements during the day in the city centre, the rider suffered minor injuries but the Bobby was charged with dangerous driving. He got found not guilty by a jury and the judge slammed the cps for charging him in the first place. That and other cases brought about the new legislation. The bobbies have been waiting a long time for the restrictions to be lifted but even now, only highly trained traffic officers can use these tactics and you’ll see on the videos that they wait until the speed drops sufficiently before they knock them off. Every one of the riders gets up and tries to run off. It has been publicised that these tactics will be used so it is their choice to take those risks. I’m all for it. I'm pretty sure there is no new legislation, just new guidelines within the Met (who I think are the only force doing this). As I said before I wouldn't want to be the first officer to kill one of them. I can see why the Met are doing this, they are high profile crimes but legally it is leaving them wide open" I’m not sure they are. Someone high up had decided it constitutes reasonable force. In the ‘yellow’ card issued to troops in NI and the ‘white’ card issued to UK military while carrying out armed guard in the UK, does have a paragraph stating - you may open fire to prevent a suspect from escaping if there is no other way to make and arrest and if they are a danger to the public (not exactly because my memory isn’t that good) oh and it also said ‘except in Scotland’ So, violent armed criminals, making away, and still a threat could be shot, so touching the back wheel with a bumper is less lethal.  | |||
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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ?" It's about time they did something proactive, people spend there hard earned cash to by the bike then to have these scrotes nick it and get away with then doing drive by thefts it's not on. | |||
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"*there And then the police wonder why they are being attacked... hmmmm" I don’t think they wonder at all. But people who attack police often cry like bitches about victimisation for years after, because the police will treat them as hostile forever more. | |||
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"I totally agree with the hard line approach but I can already see the queue of no win no fee solicitors lining up to represent the little fuckers in a cases against the police. And ultimately one will get killed and then everyone will be up in arms; "oh how did that happen, whos fault is it an innocent kid on a bike died?"... forget that he had a string of muggings behind the little shit! That north London case where the kid died while being chased by the police is just an example of the type of shite storms yet to come.. If the police cannot use a fucking water cannon to stop rioters then ramming little scrotes on scooters will definitely is destined to fail... Too many do-gooders willing to pander to criminals while making it impossible for victims to get any semblance of justice.. " | |||
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"How about name and shame, pics in local papers, and on line social media rogues gallery. Take away all their social media. Hit them where it hurts, freeze all benefits? Obviously after they have been found guilty. " If we freeze all their benefits then they'll have to turn to crime to get the latest iPhone  | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime It isn't justice. That's what happens afterwards when they're taken to court or if they are. It's a deterrent. Hopefully Really? They get to court and sing the judge a song about "I'm just a poor boy from a poor family" and he let's them off with an ASBO and a promise to try harder. Yep. That's how it works apparently but the police don't mete out justice. True. I guess we need to save the space in our prisons for the real criminals who post thought crimes on YouTube and Instagram. I actually think we've got to the stage where "they" need to be more afraid of us than we are of them but I'm not ready to chop hands off of shoplifters quite yet. To be honest, a lot of crime is impulsive and therefore it's fairly delusional to imagine criminals making rational calculations, that they would decide against if the justice was harsher etc. When you strip it back, the rational decision would have been to steralise their parents but I'm not ready for that approach yet. " No? Give it time  | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not." This | |||
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"I agree with it. What I don't agree with is the delight which some people express at seeing another person get injured whether they "deserve it" or not. Its more the delight of justice being dealt to the scum comitting the crime You have a warped idea of justice Warped idea? These people are scum, they refuse to abide by the laws of the country. This is a last resort do capture them. Maybe you ought to think of the victims rather than protecting the 'poor innocent' criminals." Nobody is protecting criminals. | |||
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"Is there any way the police could possibly hit someone innocent who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or is it definitely only people who they have seen commit a crime?" Why would they fail to stop for the police if they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? | |||
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"I'm all for it, I'm just disappointed that they're using normal police cars and not something from Mad Max Fury Road with spikes, flamethrowers and spinning disc saws on the front of it " . | |||
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"Maybe to satisfy the doo gooders they could fire out a nice soft mattress for the scumbags to land on? NOT " | |||
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"*there And then the police wonder why they are being attacked... hmmmm" What rubbish. These are young kids probably to scared to throw a punch. | |||
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"Is there any way the police could possibly hit someone innocent who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or is it definitely only people who they have seen commit a crime? Why would they fail to stop for the police if they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? " That is a fair point. | |||
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"Maybe to satisfy the doo gooders they could fire out a nice soft mattress for the scumbags to land on? NOT "Maybe for those who's desire to punish others is strong ,the police should drag them about the neighbourhood for a bit...  | |||
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"It’s been a long time coming, the government have brought in new legislation this year which protects the police from prosecution when these scum bags get hurt. There was a traffic Bobby up in crown court last year for driving his car into the path of a scrambler rider who had been riding on pavements during the day in the city centre, the rider suffered minor injuries but the Bobby was charged with dangerous driving. He got found not guilty by a jury and the judge slammed the cps for charging him in the first place. That and other cases brought about the new legislation. The bobbies have been waiting a long time for the restrictions to be lifted but even now, only highly trained traffic officers can use these tactics and you’ll see on the videos that they wait until the speed drops sufficiently before they knock them off. Every one of the riders gets up and tries to run off. It has been publicised that these tactics will be used so it is their choice to take those risks. I’m all for it. " The law should be that if you're injured whilst in the process of committing a crime you have no legal recall. These scum that batter a 70 year old woman and steal their pension money, then get sympathy when they complain about someone tripping them up as they run away. It's just pathetic. | |||
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Maybe for those who's desire to punish others is strong ,the police should drag them about the neighbourhood for a bit... "I don’t see any problems with that | |||
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"10 years minimum for carrying a knife. No excuses." What about carpet fitters? Is the fact that a knife is a tool of your trade not an excuse | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving" There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. | |||
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"*there And then the police wonder why they are being attacked... hmmmm I don’t think they wonder at all. But people who attack police often cry like bitches about victimisation for years after, because the police will treat them as hostile forever more. " Yup -a whole lotta cryin going on when the local riots kick off -ooh let's see now, Brixton, LA riots, Tottenham Riots, BlackLivesMatter -hmm hmm hmm | |||
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"If it's done safely then I agree with it. I've seen people, who were innocent parties, have legs cut out from cars because of Police driving. I've never been comfortable with Police chasing cars or bikes in my town, and almost being run over by a chased driver has made me even more wary. It doesn't help that my area 8s awash with young criminals at the moment. " As are all areas, its not just London, believe me. Inner cities fair worst just due to the volume but even out here in the sticks there has been a big increase in car theft recently. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke." So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke." The concept is innocent before guilty and someone needs to represent anyone charged with anything no matter how repellent it might seem. Think of the Brits abroad right now on trumped up charges with no justice | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. The concept is innocent before guilty and someone needs to represent anyone charged with anything no matter how repellent it might seem. Think of the Brits abroad right now on trumped up charges with no justice " Or the Birmingham 6 or the countless people unnecessarily harassed under stop and search powers | |||
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"I don't about anyone else but a lot of kids from 12 to 16 had illegal dirt bikes when I was a kid that they'd used on the road and mostly off rd. I had access to a TS 185cc Suzuki endurance when I was 13 which five of us put £30 each towards buying it.Nothing legal about it.We got chased by the coppers plenty but we were never robbing people just driving illegally." Oh that's all right then | |||
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"I don't about anyone else but a lot of kids from 12 to 16 had illegal dirt bikes when I was a kid that they'd used on the road and mostly off rd. I had access to a TS 185cc Suzuki endurance when I was 13 which five of us put £30 each towards buying it.Nothing legal about it.We got chased by the coppers plenty but we were never robbing people just driving illegally. Oh that's all right then" Another topic but the number of people on the road without tax and insurance is scary.if you are 15 and drive a bike on the road illegally, it is just as bad as steeling the bike, nothing cool about this at all | |||
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"Time for the country to back a more robust course of action for all crimes. This tactic is a positive step forward but we need to take control back of our streets and hit everyone hard who commits crime. The criminal justice system has to start by delivering tougher sentences. 10 years minimum for carrying a knife. No excuses." I agree, though I think it should be 20 years so the ‘scrotes’ carrying the knives actually serve 10 years, not the 5 out of 10 they would. Either that or change the law to reflect ‘minimum 10 years before probation can be applied for’. | |||
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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ?" Better than shooting them as happens in some countries so if it ensures they arrest them its fair game. | |||
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"Time for the country to back a more robust course of action for all crimes. This tactic is a positive step forward but we need to take control back of our streets and hit everyone hard who commits crime. The criminal justice system has to start by delivering tougher sentences. 10 years minimum for carrying a knife. No excuses. I agree, though I think it should be 20 years so the ‘scrotes’ carrying the knives actually serve 10 years, not the 5 out of 10 they would. Either that or change the law to reflect ‘minimum 10 years before probation can be applied for’." Oh butchers and chefs are fucked then -and all restaurants will have to convert to medieval spit roast affairs -that could be a unique post Brexit selling point dont ya think -"come to britain -the land of no knives and hearty fayre" | |||
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"Hi Im just watching the news footage of the police koncking these thieves off their bikes. Whats the general view ? Better than shooting them as happens in some countries so if it ensures they arrest them its fair game. " . Good point, fix it now even if it requires hard labour or face Brazilian like citizen action. | |||
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"It’s been a long time coming, the government have brought in new legislation this year which protects the police from prosecution when these scum bags get hurt. There was a traffic Bobby up in crown court last year for driving his car into the path of a scrambler rider who had been riding on pavements during the day in the city centre, the rider suffered minor injuries but the Bobby was charged with dangerous driving. He got found not guilty by a jury and the judge slammed the cps for charging him in the first place. That and other cases brought about the new legislation. The bobbies have been waiting a long time for the restrictions to be lifted but even now, only highly trained traffic officers can use these tactics and you’ll see on the videos that they wait until the speed drops sufficiently before they knock them off. Every one of the riders gets up and tries to run off. It has been publicised that these tactics will be used so it is their choice to take those risks. I’m all for it. I'm pretty sure there is no new legislation, just new guidelines within the Met (who I think are the only force doing this). As I said before I wouldn't want to be the first officer to kill one of them. I can see why the Met are doing this, they are high profile crimes but legally it is leaving them wide open" Current legislation has been amended to take into account the high level of police training meaning they are protected by the law rather than face prosecution for careless or dangerous driving. They didn’t have such protection prior to this amendment. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then?" Who? | |||
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"Absolutely disagree. Violence to manage violence is not the way forward. I would've hoped adults on this site would realised this....yet it again it is fabswingers. " Exactly this. Aggressive driving wouldn't be acceptable. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?"In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes No trial necessary then...simple. Would also save us billions in court time. | |||
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"It’s been a long time coming, the government have brought in new legislation this year which protects the police from prosecution when these scum bags get hurt. There was a traffic Bobby up in crown court last year for driving his car into the path of a scrambler rider who had been riding on pavements during the day in the city centre, the rider suffered minor injuries but the Bobby was charged with dangerous driving. He got found not guilty by a jury and the judge slammed the cps for charging him in the first place. That and other cases brought about the new legislation. The bobbies have been waiting a long time for the restrictions to be lifted but even now, only highly trained traffic officers can use these tactics and you’ll see on the videos that they wait until the speed drops sufficiently before they knock them off. Every one of the riders gets up and tries to run off. It has been publicised that these tactics will be used so it is their choice to take those risks. I’m all for it. I'm pretty sure there is no new legislation, just new guidelines within the Met (who I think are the only force doing this). As I said before I wouldn't want to be the first officer to kill one of them. I can see why the Met are doing this, they are high profile crimes but legally it is leaving them wide open Current legislation has been amended to take into account the high level of police training meaning they are protected by the law rather than face prosecution for careless or dangerous driving. They didn’t have such protection prior to this amendment." Sorry but you are wrong. There is a propsed bill but according to the police federation's own website as recently as last week parliament ran out of time to discuss it. The bill should provide exactly what you say but it is far from being law and the Met are acting ridiculously in somehow assuming that a proposed law indemnifies their officers from acting in a way that has until very, very recently been vetoed | |||
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"90% of thief’s should be hung drawn and quartered, if the police have no other means of getting them off of the moped’s, then knocking the little bastards off won’t hurt" 90% of all thieves should be killed? Does this include those middle class white collar guys in the the banking sector that ruined the country,not just moped thieves of course... | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time. "You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy) | |||
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Yes please! "String em up on the lamp posts of London from Brixton to Canary Wharf . | |||
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I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)"I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic.. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic.."How many times can you be stopped by the police in one month before it's harassment.Or is it just a sign of the times..and the youth should suck it up. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic..
How many times can you be stopped by the police in one month before it's harassment.Or is it just a sign of the times..and the youth should suck it up.
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic..
How many times can you be stopped by the police in one month before it's harassment.Or is it just a sign of the times..and the youth should suck it up.
If you go outside wearing a tracksuit and aren't playing sport then you're asking to get stopped by the police "This is my point.A family member who earns a 6 figure salary at Astra Zeneca jogs at 5.30am before work.He wears a hoodie lives in a very wealthy neighbourhood yet gets pulled twice a month for being mixed race in a hoodie at 6 am running down his own street.The police know him by name now... Yet still assume he's guilty on sight as he ticks all their boxes
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"*there And then the police wonder why they are being attacked... hmmmm I don’t think they wonder at all. But people who attack police often cry like bitches about victimisation for years after, because the police will treat them as hostile forever more. Yup -a whole lotta cryin going on when the local riots kick off -ooh let's see now, Brixton, LA riots, Tottenham Riots, BlackLivesMatter -hmm hmm hmm" There are usually a fucktonne of rioters crying after major riots, either in A&E, cells or when the police come knocking them up days after the fact and drag them away in handcuffs. Now if the home office let the police have all that lovely COIN equiptment that’s stored away rotting from Operation banner, including the snatches, Saxons and water cannons, the teargas grenades, the baton rounds, and what ever the fuck those electric shock things that they used to wire up on some of the armour.... Also available but not used over here are the less than lethal options loved in the states like bean bag rounds, that wave thing that’s like a bank of tazers that fires a few hundred live wires across a crowd. The strives that can induce fits in a high percentage of a crowd, stun guns built into riot shields and of course filling the water cannons tanks with CS/CN mix to make those hot sweaty mobs really uncomfortable. And at the first sign of acid or petrol bombs - live rounds. Because cunts lives don’t matter. Also by the black lives matter comment were you suggesting that scooter gangs, rioters and all that is purely the domain of black folks? It tends to be whoever comes off certain estates and post codes regardless of colour. | |||
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Oh right, so -Edson Da Costa, Ian Tomlinson, Jean Charles de Menezes, The victims of Bloody Sunday were all acting like twats were they? And these are just UK victims btw."If the Paras on Bloody Sunday we’re firing indiscriminately into a crowd of of over 2,000 people and only killed 14 people, I’d say 1Para should send Bcoy and SF platoon on a range course ASAP also if you think 3 rifle platoons and a support company platoon could conspire to deliberately murder then cover it up and no one grass since 1972? Wow those paras are really into the code of silence. Have you ever looked at the injuries suffered by the security forces that day? Only killing 14 people in my opinion showed tremendous restraint. | |||
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That wasn't what I was trying to say at all -I was just pointing out that communities get incenced when people of their "type" get reletlessly and needlessly picked on just because they look or dress a certain way"So all rioters and scrotes involved in civil disobedience are a type? | |||
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That wasn't what I was trying to say at all -I was just pointing out that communities get incenced when people of their "type" get reletlessly and needlessly picked on just because they look or dress a certain way
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic..
How many times can you be stopped by the police in one month before it's harassment.Or is it just a sign of the times..and the youth should suck it up.
If you go outside wearing a tracksuit and aren't playing sport then you're asking to get stopped by the police
This is my point.A family member who earns a 6 figure salary at Astra Zeneca jogs at 5.30am before work.He wears a hoodie lives in a very wealthy neighbourhood yet gets pulled twice a month for being mixed race in a hoodie at 6 am running down his own street.The police know him by name now... Yet still assume he's guilty on sight as he ticks all their boxes
"Called profiling I believe and I'm not too sure it's not wrong. Once at Manchester airport the whole family was pulled over for "special" checks, nothing invasive, but I was livid, white average family hardly uni-bombers! A couple of weeks later a security expert on radio 2 said we shouldn't be wasting time and money and should stop being PC and target likely profile fitting terrorists, I agree. | |||
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"aCalled profiling I believe and I'm not too sure it's not wrong. Once at Manchester airport the whole family was pulled over for "special" checks, nothing invasive, but I was livid, white average family hardly uni-bombers! A couple of weeks later a security expert on radio 2 said we shouldn't be wasting time and money and should stop being PC and target likely profile fitting terrorists, I agree." Tell that to the kid being stopped daily by police because of the estate he lives in or the clothes he likes to wear. It's just harassment if there is no real intelligence behind these stop and searches. | |||
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"aCalled profiling I believe and I'm not too sure it's not wrong. Once at Manchester airport the whole family was pulled over for "special" checks, nothing invasive, but I was livid, white average family hardly uni-bombers! A couple of weeks later a security expert on radio 2 said we shouldn't be wasting time and money and should stop being PC and target likely profile fitting terrorists, I agree. Tell that to the kid being stopped daily by police because of the estate he lives in or the clothes he likes to wear. It's just harassment if there is no real intelligence behind these stop and searches." We get it, you don't like the police, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like living in a society where there aren't any either. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic..
How many times can you be stopped by the police in one month before it's harassment.Or is it just a sign of the times..and the youth should suck it up.
If you go outside wearing a tracksuit and aren't playing sport then you're asking to get stopped by the police
This is my point.A family member who earns a 6 figure salary at Astra Zeneca jogs at 5.30am before work.He wears a hoodie lives in a very wealthy neighbourhood yet gets pulled twice a month for being mixed race in a hoodie at 6 am running down his own street.The police know him by name now... Yet still assume he's guilty on sight as he ticks all their boxes
Called profiling I believe and I'm not too sure it's not wrong. Once at Manchester airport the whole family was pulled over for "special" checks, nothing invasive, but I was livid, white average family hardly uni-bombers!
A couple of weeks later a security expert on radio 2 said we shouldn't be wasting time and money and should stop being PC and target likely profile fitting terrorists, I agree."So you or you family would be happy being stopped twice a month because you fit a profile.Seems legit. | |||
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"aCalled profiling I believe and I'm not too sure it's not wrong. Once at Manchester airport the whole family was pulled over for "special" checks, nothing invasive, but I was livid, white average family hardly uni-bombers! A couple of weeks later a security expert on radio 2 said we shouldn't be wasting time and money and should stop being PC and target likely profile fitting terrorists, I agree. Tell that to the kid being stopped daily by police because of the estate he lives in or the clothes he likes to wear. It's just harassment if there is no real intelligence behind these stop and searches. We get it, you don't like the police, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like living in a society where there aren't any either. " How the hell do come to that daft conclusion? What I don't like the idea of is a police state where the police have a shoot first ask questions later mentality and justice is at the end of a rifle barrel. I don't like the idea of people being picked on necessarily because of their demographic, race, dress code, address, or any other needless prejudice. | |||
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"ahh i can see all the lawyers lining up now to sue the police for dangerous driving There should be a caveat that bans lawyers from doing so and if they do they should be struck off. The law is a joke. So the family of Ian Tomlinson would have had no recourse then? Who? I do so love informed decisions. Hardly comparable to the scumbags on mopeds....really.
I am struggling with your logic here. Are you saying that they are beyond judgement based on the fact that you have not really looked that closely at the wider implications of rash judgments made without having all /if any of the relevant facts to hand or are you saying they dont deserve a fair trial because of some other reason?
In our world the police would have access to turn on lasers set at neck height, save bumping the little cherubs off their bikes
No trial necessary then...simple.
Would also save us billions in court time.
You've obviously never experienced first hand living in either a place with an armed police force or even a police state -think Some latin American countries, The LA riots, the events that led to BlackLivesMatter and Apartheid South Africa -innocent people tend to get killed by trigger happy police -and tasers too can be lethal to some (especially those with heart conditions or epilepsy)
I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic.."you only have to watch any of the TV live cop shows to know they are TWATS, the trouble being, that a TWAT is the only person who doesn't know he is a TWAT. | |||
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"Profiling is an interesting concept, why do you think the police have an expectation that a certain type of individual will be doing wrong. Let's turn that concept on it's head shall we? -what would you say if that "type" just happened to be black and the profiling in question was that they didn't deserve a decent education because they were more likely to be involved in activities that you didn't need an education for? I don't know about you, but I would call that racism. I’m not sure the police have the power to decide what education someone deserves. But discriminating on skin colour is certainly racist no matter who does it" And discriminating against age isn't ageist, or social class isn't classist? The education issue was not meant to be an illustration of the police's powers btw -it was meant as an example of turning the concept around to parrallel it to the education system (i.e. turning the concept on it's head?). | |||
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"you only have to watch any of the TV live cop shows to know they are TWATS, the trouble being, that a TWAT is the only person who doesn't know he is a TWAT. So your whole concept of the justice system is based on watching TV live cop shows -wow, you are incredibly well informed aren't you. Do you think that just maybe they might just be editing said shows or looking for the most salacious footage and even, shock, horror, I Know, perhaps even supressing footage of when they get it terribly wrong? Or do you think this is a completely unbiased factual meldrama that is showing the "facts" as it is? I was intending to reply to this quote, I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic.." Yes and -see my earlier post on this exact point -plenty of people acting perfectly innocently have been killed by police for no justifiable reason. Presumption of innocence before the law is a fundamental point of civilised society -that and a clear separation between, Law & order /criime & punishment. | |||
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"The sad fact of life is that often bad people do look alike. I had a motorbike stolen last year we got them on cctv doing it. They looked just like the lads in these videos. Late teens/early twenties tracksuit bottoms hoodies puffa jackets. Your typical chav, so I’m pretty glad the police are being hard with people that look like that, cos 4 of these little bastards cost me 2 grand, and maybe just maybe one of the little f**kers will get run over. That thought brings a lovely warm feeling to my tummy. What about those committing massive financial frauds that leave people destitute? Do they have a type that we can easily identify and possibly repetedly harass everytime the enter or leave a bank? Should they be stopped and searched or have their computers randomly scanned by fraud investigators? Bear in mind that the damage they do often far exceeds the value of those commiting petty thefts and muggings." No one should be hassled, but should they be subject to the same rules as the rest of us, absolutely. The police have to have due cause to search some one, be that a chav or a city wide boy | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be the first officer that kills one of them or leaves them with life changing injuries. I can see why the police are doing it but can't see how it can ever be deemed a proportional response No offence to you but that is the sort of response that will allowed these sort of crime's to continue to take place.If you live by the sword then you must expect to die by the sword. Shall we speak again when your child, sister, brother, mother, father etc are killed as innocent victims of police brutality?Nowt as blind as them that can see" I get the impression he's one of these who just likes to argue | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be the first officer that kills one of them or leaves them with life changing injuries. I can see why the police are doing it but can't see how it can ever be deemed a proportional response No offence to you but that is the sort of response that will allowed these sort of crime's to continue to take place.If you live by the sword then you must expect to die by the sword. Shall we speak again when your child, sister, brother, mother, father etc are killed as innocent victims of police brutality?Nowt as blind as them that can see I get the impression he's one of these who just likes to argue "Are you by any chance tone of those that takes issue with a difference of opinion -or one of those that doesn't quite like it when a debate doesn't flow along with a commonly agreed set of rules and code of conduct? | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be the first officer that kills one of them or leaves them with life changing injuries. I can see why the police are doing it but can't see how it can ever be deemed a proportional response No offence to you but that is the sort of response that will allowed these sort of crime's to continue to take place.If you live by the sword then you must expect to die by the sword. Shall we speak again when your child, sister, brother, mother, father etc are killed as innocent victims of police brutality?Nowt as blind as them that can see I get the impression he's one of these who just likes to argue "I’m not sure what’s wrong with wanting to argue, he can argue if he wants that doesn’t mean he’s right | |||
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"The sad fact of life is that often bad people do look alike. I had a motorbike stolen last year we got them on cctv doing it. They looked just like the lads in these videos. Late teens/early twenties tracksuit bottoms hoodies puffa jackets. Your typical chav, so I’m pretty glad the police are being hard with people that look like that, cos 4 of these little bastards cost me 2 grand, and maybe just maybe one of the little f**kers will get run over. That thought brings a lovely warm feeling to my tummy. What about those committing massive financial frauds that leave people destitute? Do they have a type that we can easily identify and possibly repetedly harass everytime the enter or leave a bank? Should they be stopped and searched or have their computers randomly scanned by fraud investigators? Bear in mind that the damage they do often far exceeds the value of those commiting petty thefts and muggings." Why do you feel you have to justify what they are doing by putting forward a non comparative example? It may seem petty to you but I bet it doesn't to the poor victims. Do gooders, never actually do good! | |||
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I’m not sure what’s wrong with wanting to argue, he can argue if he wants that doesn’t mean he’s right"And he's easy to ignore. | |||
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"The sad fact of life is that often bad people do look alike. I had a motorbike stolen last year we got them on cctv doing it. They looked just like the lads in these videos. Late teens/early twenties tracksuit bottoms hoodies puffa jackets. Your typical chav, so I’m pretty glad the police are being hard with people that look like that, cos 4 of these little bastards cost me 2 grand, and maybe just maybe one of the little f**kers will get run over. That thought brings a lovely warm feeling to my tummy. What about those committing massive financial frauds that leave people destitute? Do they have a type that we can easily identify and possibly repetedly harass everytime the enter or leave a bank? Should they be stopped and searched or have their computers randomly scanned by fraud investigators? Bear in mind that the damage they do often far exceeds the value of those commiting petty thefts and muggings. Why do you feel you have to justify what they are doing by putting forward a non comparative example? It may seem petty to you but I bet it doesn't to the poor victims. Do gooders, never actually do good!" Neither do kangaroo courts or witch hunts | |||
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I’m not sure what’s wrong with wanting to argue, he can argue if he wants that doesn’t mean he’s right"Decisions and points of view are never binary -but i do take your point and agree that everyone has the right to their opinion | |||
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I’m not sure what’s wrong with wanting to argue, he can argue if he wants that doesn’t mean he’s right
Decisions and points of view are never binary -but i do take your point and agree that everyone has the right to their opinion"Opinions and points of view are subjective, they don’t really have a baring on actual facts | |||
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all ..
Tar them all with the same brush I say...
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all."I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!! | |||
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"So nobody wants to hug a hoodie these days . I feel the same about those thieving bankers in suits to be fair.Hang em high in the square mile..
Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
Oh I like that. Is that all your own doing Clem?"It was. I'm not just a pretty face ya know! | |||
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
Oh I like that. Is that all your own doing Clem?
It was. I'm not just a pretty face ya know!"No you’re not...,you’re a very naughty boy! | |||
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
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"you only have to watch any of the TV live cop shows to know they are TWATS, the trouble being, that a TWAT is the only person who doesn't know he is a TWAT. So your whole concept of the justice system is based on watching TV live cop shows -wow, you are incredibly well informed aren't you. Do you think that just maybe they might just be editing said shows or looking for the most salacious footage and even, shock, horror, I Know, perhaps even supressing footage of when they get it terribly wrong? Or do you think this is a completely unbiased factual meldrama that is showing the "facts" as it is? I was intending to reply to this quote, I think the option you are looking for is don't be a twat and the police are unlikely to trouble you. If they approach you for some reason you don't understand, don't be a twat is still a good tactic.. Yes and -see my earlier post on this exact point -plenty of people acting perfectly innocently have been killed by police for no justifiable reason. Presumption of innocence before the law is a fundamental point of civilised society -that and a clear separation between, Law & order /criime & punishment." Yep i made the same point on my first message, | |||
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Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
I know your right , I just never worked out how brexit would shaft those leeches in the square Mile .
If it does then I will hug a brexiter everyday forever . "Imagine we're all on a ship similar to titanic. Imagine the wealthy are upstairs in their finery and luxury, having a jolly good time, no expense spared. Imagine the leave voters are the Irish etc, living down in the bilges, with nothing. If they pull the "plug" out, the ship sinks, they all drown. But who loses the most? | |||
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"So nobody wants to hug a hoodie these days . I feel the same about those thieving bankers in suits to be fair.Hang em high in the square mile..
Stop and search all those bankers and lawyers .Guaranteed you'll find cocaine on them all.
I think "getting back at the bankers" is what enthused many people to vote leave. Trying to derail the gravy train, but they didn't realise how much the conservative party is addicted to gravy!!
I know your right , I just never worked out how brexit would shaft those leeches in the square Mile .
If it does then I will hug a brexiter everyday forever .
Imagine we're all on a ship similar to titanic. Imagine the wealthy are upstairs in their finery and luxury, having a jolly good time, no expense spared. Imagine the leave voters are the Irish etc, living down in the bilges, with nothing. If they pull the "plug" out, the ship sinks, they all drown. But who loses the most?"I bet the Irish aren't insured by lloyds of London. I get you point let's drag them all down to where we are and then start again. I'm always going to be in favour of burning it all down and starting again.. I'm just not convinced brexit will be the fuse that ignites the dynamite. | |||
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"I caught some geared up wander outside where I work punching my motor , I grabbed him and heard a shout he'd got a knife so let go quick to watch uhis hands while my co worker grabbed him and I used a judo leg sweep to take him down , then I held his throat tight for him a bit . Next thing is he's shouting get off I can't breathe and some blokes saying get off him like he's mother fucking Theresa . You can't deal with bell ends without some toaster sticking their oar in "Thing is -there's a very thin line between defending your rights /the rights of your property and Vigilante justice. Things can quickly escalate to the point that you end up stabbing or even killing him with his own knife (I am not intimating that you would btw) and then he has been killed for effectively punching your car. It is situations like these why we need to have responses/ a police force that uses only necessary force to restrain/ remove said individual to custody so that they can in turn face the criminal justice system and be given a fair trial. Anything else just becomes mob/ thug rule -I for one would be very fearful for my son were this to be the case (and yes he does wear a hoodie just like 99% of his peers). | |||
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"My polish mate tells me you try it on with a,polish cop you get a whack.. You really try it on you get lots of whacks. It's simple and it works
I remember Ross Kemp doing a dangerous gangs of the world documentary and filmed an episode in Kingston, Jamaica.
Ross was shocked at the way suspects were treated: JA police don't ramp! Ross asked the policeman if it was necessary to be so rough and lock suspects up so readily.
The sergeant looked at Ross as if he was talking to an idiot. He said "do you want me to deal with them here or leave them free to go to England?"
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"My polish mate tells me you try it on with a,polish cop you get a whack.. You really try it on you get lots of whacks. It's simple and it works
I remember Ross Kemp doing a dangerous gangs of the world documentary and filmed an episode in Kingston, Jamaica.
Ross was shocked at the way suspects were treated: JA police don't ramp! Ross asked the policeman if it was necessary to be so rough and lock suspects up so readily.
The sergeant looked at Ross as if he was talking to an idiot. He said "do you want me to deal with them here or leave them free to go to England?"
As you were officer...
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"I caught some geared up wander outside where I work punching my motor , I grabbed him and heard a shout he'd got a knife so let go quick to watch uhis hands while my co worker grabbed him and I used a judo leg sweep to take him down , then I held his throat tight for him a bit . Next thing is he's shouting get off I can't breathe and some blokes saying get off him like he's mother fucking Theresa . You can't deal with bell ends without some toaster sticking their oar in "Fab did you then wake up Billy? | |||
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"I caught some geared up wander outside where I work punching my motor , I grabbed him and heard a shout he'd got a knife so let go quick to watch uhis hands while my co worker grabbed him and I used a judo leg sweep to take him down , then I held his throat tight for him a bit . Next thing is he's shouting get off I can't breathe and some blokes saying get off him like he's mother fucking Theresa . You can't deal with bell ends without some toaster sticking their oar in "Cool story bro.
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"I totally agree with the hard line approach but I can already see the queue of no win no fee solicitors lining up to represent the little fuckers in a cases against the police. And ultimately one will get killed and then everyone will be up in arms; "oh how did that happen, whos fault is it an innocent kid on a bike died?"... forget that he had a string of muggings behind the little shit! That north London case where the kid died while being chased by the police is just an example of the type of shite storms yet to come.. If the police cannot use a fucking water cannon to stop rioters then ramming little scrotes on scooters will definitely is destined to fail... Too many do-gooders willing to pander to criminals while making it impossible for victims to get any semblance of justice..
But then will be the time for the country to grow a backbone
They deserve all they get "
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