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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions??" #oxymoron_time | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? #oxymoron_time" Is that a contradiction? Can you swing and believe in Jesus, the bible, Quran etc??? | |||
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"Jesus swung on the cross, just saying. And his dad was a cuckold, virgin birth my ass, she got pumped by prime Roman legionnaire, that’s why he’s got blue eyes in all the paintings .... just saying "And before anyone says legionnaires wouldn’t have had blue eyes most used in the holy land and away from Europe were mercenaries from all over Europe | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? #oxymoron_time Is that a contradiction? Can you swing and believe in Jesus, the bible, Quran etc???" You tell me -my instinct tells me there are a number of scriptures you may have to conveniently ignore while trying not to sound too hypocritical while staunchly adhering to the others? | |||
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"I don't think you can be Christian and be a swinger. If you were married for instance, and said traditional vows, then you're broken them if you're swinging. " A voice of sanity and truth.  | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. " Not if condoms are involved  | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions??" It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved "Have you seen the birth rate in Italy? | |||
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"Have you seen wild wild country. They was into free love. Think that was a cult though "I would fit in well there
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"Have you seen wild wild country. They was into free love. Think that was a cult though
I would fit in well there
Maybe not if it's a cult though "You can form your own cult however you like | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
Have you seen the birth rate in Italy? "No,it's not something I regularly check,please enlighten me | |||
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"Jesus swung on the cross, just saying. And his dad was a cuckold, virgin birth my ass, she got pumped by prime Roman legionnaire, that’s why he’s got blue eyes in all the paintings .... just saying "Actually, the paintings of Jesus are based on an illegitimate son of a Pope!! https://www.quora.com/Is-the-popular-image-of-Jesus-really-Cesare-Borgia | |||
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"I don't think you can be Christian and be a swinger. If you were married for instance, and said traditional vows, then you're broken them if you're swinging. " Not correct. Although the Catholic church would probably consider promiscuity to be sinful, being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. As for the masturbation thing, it's regarded in the same way as sex so taken literally wanking in wedlock is fine but sinful if unmarried. | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. " I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"? | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"?" Why not go ask a priest if you're seriously interested in learning the answer. | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"?" It ain’t adultry if it’s a consensual agreement in a relationship tho | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"? It ain’t adultry if it’s a consensual agreement in a relationship tho" The definition of adultery traditionally speaking would be fucking someone else's partner. Or even fucking someone else after you've divorced your present partner. | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. " Winner, winner, chicken dinner | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"? Why not go ask a priest if you're seriously interested in learning the answer. " Its not my moral dilema is why | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions?? It's impossible to discuss faith on fab without a lot of people presenting stupid opinions and cliches. What I think most people don't understand is the difference between following a faith and having every lifestyle choice you make, being endorsed by that faith. I realise it's difficult for people who have only lived in hyper individualist cultures to understand that. I would think it's a bit difficult to rationalize with yourself when you start ignoring one of the 10 core tenets -"thou shall not commit adultery"? Why not go ask a priest if you're seriously interested in learning the answer. Its not my moral dilema is why" It doesn't have to be. You're interested enough to give your opinion on a thread. Why not improve your opinion by talking to an expert? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner " Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me" I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest | |||
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"I’m a bit of a bible basher. I’m not hurting anyone by swinging therefore adhering to the golden rule. Case closed for me. Thankies. " Yes, this. I am also a Christian and swinger, i don't condemn anyone for their choices, i make sure i don't hurt anybody. Some so-called Christians would deny my existance as a person anyway, due to my gender identity. But I'm pretty sure that I'm closer to jesus's teachings as a transgender, swinging, forgiving and hopefully fundamentally decent person, than any of the hellfire and damnation bible bashers who just seek excuses for their spiteful behavour towards others. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me" Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest " I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian" It doesn't work like that. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all" No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that." ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission " Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. | |||
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"Considering all the death, poverty and suffering put on people in this world in the name of the Abrahamic religions over the centuries and still going on now, I think it would be a little hypocritical to say people who participate as consenting adults in sexual activity that does no harm to anyone couldn't be considered as Christians." You make a lot of points in that statement -the problem I am having is understanding both how they connect and what your point is? I am not being rude btw, just trying to understand your point. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. " I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions??" Yes you can. It's do as I say not as I do x | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. " Please enlighten me then -I'm curious as to how your particuular moral backwater sustains itself? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. Please enlighten me then -I'm curious as to how your particuular moral backwater sustains itself?" You're not curious, if you were then you'd go talk to a priest. Your just making a poor attempt at points scoring. | |||
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"Considering all the death, poverty and suffering put on people in this world in the name of the Abrahamic religions over the centuries and still going on now, I think it would be a little hypocritical to say people who participate as consenting adults in sexual activity that does no harm to anyone couldn't be considered as Christians. You make a lot of points in that statement -the problem I am having is understanding both how they connect and what your point is? I am not being rude btw, just trying to understand your point." My reaction to the OP, given what I've put why wouldn't it be ok to have faith and swing? In the scheme of things, the Christian faith and the other Abrahamic faiths have done far worse. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. Please enlighten me then -I'm curious as to how your particuular moral backwater sustains itself? You're not curious, if you were then you'd go talk to a priest. Your just making a poor attempt at points scoring. " I've talked to many a priest in my time -the problem is that they were no better at explaining their logic than you are. The only difference being that they were a hell of a lot clearer on the whole 10 commandments and repentance deal -or do you have a cut off date for swinging in mind (say when on your deathbed)? Talking in vague language, non sequiturs and holiies doesn't help to clarify or defend your position -all it does is muddy the debate with irrelevant fripperies. | |||
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"Considering all the death, poverty and suffering put on people in this world in the name of the Abrahamic religions over the centuries and still going on now, I think it would be a little hypocritical to say people who participate as consenting adults in sexual activity that does no harm to anyone couldn't be considered as Christians. You make a lot of points in that statement -the problem I am having is understanding both how they connect and what your point is? I am not being rude btw, just trying to understand your point. My reaction to the OP, given what I've put why wouldn't it be ok to have faith and swing? In the scheme of things, the Christian faith and the other Abrahamic faiths have done far worse." Ok -understood -not that I agree -but that's my perrogative | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian" Technically those commandments are given by Moses and apply to Judaism. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian Technically those commandments are given by Moses and apply to Judaism. " So are we then limited to quoting only from the Gideon Bible (a.k.a. the New Testament)? As far as I know, Christianity encompasses both and is not an either or buffet. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian Technically those commandments are given by Moses and apply to Judaism. So are we then limited to quoting only from the Gideon Bible (a.k.a. the New Testament)? As far as I know, Christianity encompasses both and is not an either or buffet." No but Jesus set a precedent by reinterpreting some of them. ‘You May have heard it said, but I say to you...’ etc. | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
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One of the lowest in the world. "I usually check the outer Mongolian,the outer Hebrides and the Croatian birth rate at least once a month but alas not the Italian one | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates?" The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence. | |||
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"In the gospels who did Jesus spend most of his time with? Prostitutes, women, leper’s and other ceremonially unclean people. He without exception offered them grace. Who did he have his harshest words for? The religious guardians of the law. Those that seemed to invest time and energy trying to define who was in and who was out. " Don't remember him going to any swinger parties or orgies tho. I think his main deal was the reopentance bag -i.e. that they truly said sorry for their wicked ways -or are you thinking he was there to get a little nooky on the side? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence." Yes -and in order to forgive your sins... -insert reminder here- .. you need to truly repent do you not? The mere fact that you are still arguing with me on a swinger site tells me that you are not quite at the repentance stage yet -or is there a cut off date you have planned? | |||
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"I’m a bit of a bible basher. I’m not hurting anyone by swinging therefore adhering to the golden rule. Case closed for me. Thankies. Yes, this. I am also a Christian and swinger, i don't condemn anyone for their choices, i make sure i don't hurt anybody. Some so-called Christians would deny my existance as a person anyway, due to my gender identity. But I'm pretty sure that I'm closer to jesus's teachings as a transgender, swinging, forgiving and hopefully fundamentally decent person, than any of the hellfire and damnation bible bashers who just seek excuses for their spiteful behavour towards others." Just a curiosity , this Jesus you talk of, is his metaphorical father the one portrayed in the old testament ? How have you chosen which parts his father meant in the old test and which bits will prevent your eternal peace in a heaven ? | |||
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"Is it possible to swing and have faith. Any religious types out there that would like to share their opinions??" Think you may have found a gap in the market... what you calling your new region | |||
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"I don't think you can be Christian and be a swinger. If you were married for instance, and said traditional vows, then you're broken them if you're swinging. Not correct. Although the Catholic church would probably consider promiscuity to be sinful, being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. As for the masturbation thing, it's regarded in the same way as sex so taken literally wanking in wedlock is fine but sinful if unmarried." It is right. The vow 'forsaking all others'. If you're fucking others then that's that vow broken. Fact. | |||
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"Isn't all this actually up the person themselves to come to terms with and sort out with their own conscience? Not really up for debate? " Very true But you have to love the people who pick and choose which bits of their faith to adhere to based on their own agenda... I remember a man years ago contact me on a dating site (I use the term dating loosely)..he said he could not use condoms due to being a catholic..... I replied in that case, as he was also married, he could not have sex with anyone other than his wife anyway.....but thanks for letting me know! | |||
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"I don't think you can be Christian and be a swinger. If you were married for instance, and said traditional vows, then you're broken them if you're swinging. Not correct. Although the Catholic church would probably consider promiscuity to be sinful, being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. As for the masturbation thing, it's regarded in the same way as sex so taken literally wanking in wedlock is fine but sinful if unmarried. It is right. The vow 'forsaking all others'. If you're fucking others then that's that vow broken. Fact." I would disagree in that it could be taken as forsaking all others (on an emotional level). I think marriage vows are very personal. If an unmarried couple swing it wouldn't be considered cheating would it? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence. Yes -and in order to forgive your sins... -insert reminder here- .. you need to truly repent do you not? The mere fact that you are still arguing with me on a swinger site tells me that you are not quite at the repentance stage yet -or is there a cut off date you have planned?" Yep you've got to love those religious types who commit a sin then ask for forgiveness...... And then go right out and do it again Rewind, repeat, rewind, repeat | |||
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"I don't think you can be Christian and be a swinger. If you were married for instance, and said traditional vows, then you're broken them if you're swinging. Not correct. Although the Catholic church would probably consider promiscuity to be sinful, being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. As for the masturbation thing, it's regarded in the same way as sex so taken literally wanking in wedlock is fine but sinful if unmarried. It is right. The vow 'forsaking all others'. If you're fucking others then that's that vow broken. Fact. I would disagree in that it could be taken as forsaking all others (on an emotional level). I think marriage vows are very personal. If an unmarried couple swing it wouldn't be considered cheating would it?" I didn't say anyone was cheating. But a vow is broken if you're having sex with others. Forsaking either physically or emotionally. Not that I give a stuff really. As long as everyone is happy with what they are doing, does it even matter if a vow is broken. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. " B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them "I've this discussion with him before. The catechism of the Catholic Church says that sex between a married person and to someone they are not married to is forbidden absolutely (see section 2 chapter 2, article 7.iv), but for reasons I can't quite fathom, it's OK for Catholics to ignore that. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence. Yes -and in order to forgive your sins... -insert reminder here- .. you need to truly repent do you not? The mere fact that you are still arguing with me on a swinger site tells me that you are not quite at the repentance stage yet -or is there a cut off date you have planned? Firstly I'm not actually arguing with you, simply explaining my faith and my lifestyle choices seeing as how so many see them as being mutually exclusive. As for the repenting, faith is a personal thing and if I choose to repent my sins I do so when I'm good and ready. Not repenting does not stop me from being a Christian in this life. Also on a personal level, I don't see sex outside of marriage as being massively sinful. When I do meet my maker and if I am wrong then the consequences are mine and mine alone." Oh i get it -you've decided to give each of the ten commandments a weighted value so as to absolve you of the contradictions therein. I do get it that you believe in christian teachings and that you can believe these things despite them being in direct opposition to your lifestyle -I am just puzzled by how you can call yourself 100% Christian by continuing along the path you have chosen. It's not a moral/ ethical judgement -just an interesting puzzle is all. | |||
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You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts."Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence. Yes -and in order to forgive your sins... -insert reminder here- .. you need to truly repent do you not? The mere fact that you are still arguing with me on a swinger site tells me that you are not quite at the repentance stage yet -or is there a cut off date you have planned? Yep you've got to love those religious types who commit a sin then ask for forgiveness...... And then go right out and do it again Rewind, repeat, rewind, repeat " Yes humans are fascinating and full of contradictions. I love those people who believe they are good but support abortion and the people who think morality and unique to each individual. Or people who think Marxism is dependable. The world takes all sorts I guess. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them
You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts.
Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong. "It wasn't. The only error you made is saying it's being "ignored". I think I can object on the grounds that the lawyer cannot possibly know the accused state of mind. | |||
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"Obviously people can do whatever they like and attach whatever labels they want to themselves, but given that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all consistent that sex outside a monogamous marriage is a sin, I find it difficult to understand how one can be an active swinger and say one adheres to any of those religions. " Basically because most religions are ancient constructs used to try and control the masses through fear and not actually based on any credible entity - therefore in this more enlightened age people tend to pick and choose the parts of it they want. Besides the proponents of most religions have been breaking their own rules for centuries - you only have to look at the Catholic church for widespread evidence of that!! | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them
You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts.
Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong.
It wasn't. The only error you made is saying it's being "ignored". I think I can object on the grounds that the lawyer cannot possibly know the accused state of mind. "So catholics are permitted to be completely aware that what they are doing is sinful and make no effort to change their behaviour? Doesn't that contradict article 1430 of the catechism? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me Actually -I stand corrected as the 7th commandment also states thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife -so we are now down to an 80% Christian It doesn't work like that. ooh, I'm interested, how does it "work" then? My understanding of Christianity is that you have to obey the 10 commandments -yes you are mortal and you are allowed to slip up from time to time -that's why they have that thing called repentance. The thing is, if you choose at the outset to ignore 20% of the rules without any intention of repenting for said sins, can you truly be playing by the rules enough to get yourself an entry ticket at the pearly gates? The ten commandments do form the basis of Christianity but a key concept is that of forgiveness from sin (hence why the Vatican opposes the death penalty). Now as for wilfully ignoring the bit about coveting a neighbour's wife, that refers to jealousy and stealing her away. In the same way it's forbidden to covet his livestock. As for the no sex before marriage thing, that isn't one of the commandments. The key word is Fornication which in it's original form meant "impure sexual practice " Also if you read the bible you will see that very little of it is dedicated to sex (especially extra marital sex), there's far more to being Christian than abstinence. Yes -and in order to forgive your sins... -insert reminder here- .. you need to truly repent do you not? The mere fact that you are still arguing with me on a swinger site tells me that you are not quite at the repentance stage yet -or is there a cut off date you have planned? Firstly I'm not actually arguing with you, simply explaining my faith and my lifestyle choices seeing as how so many see them as being mutually exclusive. As for the repenting, faith is a personal thing and if I choose to repent my sins I do so when I'm good and ready. Not repenting does not stop me from being a Christian in this life. Also on a personal level, I don't see sex outside of marriage as being massively sinful. When I do meet my maker and if I am wrong then the consequences are mine and mine alone. Oh i get it -you've decided to give each of the ten commandments a weighted value so as to absolve you of the contradictions therein. I do get it that you believe in christian teachings and that you can believe these things despite them being in direct opposition to your lifestyle -I am just puzzled by how you can call yourself 100% Christian by continuing along the path you have chosen. It's not a moral/ ethical judgement -just an interesting puzzle is all." The ten commandments are old testament. Christianity is based on the new testament. I personally think you can be a Christian and be a swinger. Spiritual belief is personal to the individual and nobody has to justify those beliefs to anyone. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them
You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts.
Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong.
It wasn't. The only error you made is saying it's being "ignored". I think I can object on the grounds that the lawyer cannot possibly know the accused state of mind.
So catholics are permitted to be completely aware that what they are doing is sinful and make no effort to change their behaviour?
Doesn't that contradict article 1430 of the catechism? "Since you're reading the catechism, what do you make of 1735? | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them
You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts.
Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong.
It wasn't. The only error you made is saying it's being "ignored". I think I can object on the grounds that the lawyer cannot possibly know the accused state of mind.
So catholics are permitted to be completely aware that what they are doing is sinful and make no effort to change their behaviour?
Doesn't that contradict article 1430 of the catechism?
Since you're reading the catechism, what do you make of 1735? "Bit of a complete get out clause. "habit" in particular. Note the "can" and "even nullified" however. The "even" suggests instances of complete nullification of responsibility on the stated grounds will be rare. I don't think most catholics would be told that fucking randoms was not something they had no responsibility for because they had got into the habit of it. | |||
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"Jesus swung on the cross, just saying. And his dad was a cuckold, virgin birth my ass, she got pumped by prime Roman legionnaire, that’s why he’s got blue eyes in all the paintings .... just saying
Actually, the paintings of Jesus are based on an illegitimate son of a Pope!!
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" So catholics are permitted to be completely aware that what they are doing is sinful and make no effort to change their behaviour? Doesn't that contradict article 1430 of the catechism? Since you're reading the catechism, what do you make of 1735? Bit of a complete get out clause. "habit" in particular. Note the "can" and "even nullified" however. The "even" suggests instances of complete nullification of responsibility on the stated grounds will be rare. I don't think most catholics would be told that fucking randoms was not something they had no responsibility for because they had got into the habit of it. " No but they might be told that it's far from the worst thing they could be doing, for example abortion is grounds for automatic excommunication whereas swinging isn't. So in the grand scheme of things, the church would scoff more at a pro-abortionist thinking they were of good moral character, than a swinger. Hopefully you see the problem with picking one paragraph from the catechism and treating it as if it could be taken to it's logical extreme in isolation. Many parts will appear to contradict if you do that, such as 2357 and 2358. Hence why priests get a minimum of 7 years training to be able to balance these complex issues. | |||
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner Yes but intentionally ignoring one of the key tenets would then technically make you only 9/ 10ths Christian -a bit like being 9 10ths genuine if you ask me I wouldn't ask you, I'd ask a priest I am not advising you -just pointing out a flaw in your logic is all No, you just think you are because your education on the subject matter is insufficient and you don't want to improve it, by your own admission Well there youu go presuming stuff again. Are you intending to repent sometime soon and then forsake your swinger ways? hmmmm -I somehow doubt it. I'm not presuming anything. Your lack of knowledge is demonstrated by what you have written. The fact that you can't see that only compounds my point. B.b, do you ever actually say anything? Every time there's a discussion, you always go on about other people's lack of knowledge on said subject and yet never actually present any yourself. Constantly telling other people to go and seek knowledge for answers you can apparently answer for yourself doesn't make you come across as smart and knowledgable. It makes you seem as if you can't actually debate against points made, snidely belittling people makes more a fool of you than them
You can interpret it that way if you want. It's just funny how interested people magically become when religion is mentioned here and yet they clearly don't want to learn from or debate with experts.
Given I took the trouble to look up the catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter (and provided the reference) can you tell me how my interpretation of the catechism is wrong.
It wasn't. The only error you made is saying it's being "ignored". I think I can object on the grounds that the lawyer cannot possibly know the accused state of mind.
So catholics are permitted to be completely aware that what they are doing is sinful and make no effort to change their behaviour?
Doesn't that contradict article 1430 of the catechism?
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Just a load of people going on Google and posting very long words they have just read about Catholicism and sucking Dicks"What would you search to arrive at paragraph 1735 of the catechism! The catechism isn't exactly written to be optimised for SEO. | |||
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" Put simply, there's no being 100% Christian. You're either a Christian or you aren't. I don't see it as being a puzzle either. Faith, beliefs and attitudes do change slightly with time. I'd say that probably 95% of religious people don't practice abstinence. The Italian birth rate suggests a lot of contraception use too. Are there no true Scotsman left? You have a thing with the Italian birthrate Well if the Italians aren't Catholic and the Chinese aren't communist and the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea isn't democratic, then I don't know what to make of the world. " Ooooooooooooooh your to deep for me,I'm fuckin outa here | |||
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"If you believe abortion to be such a binary moral choice -I would suggest you look up the Savita Halappanavar case in Ireland -is not granting the abortion worth the mothers life -hmmmm?" 3 independent reviews found she did not die from lack of abortion but due to lack of monitoring. She was left for 12 hours without monitoring which meant they didn't catch her going septic. This happens in the UK where abortion is legal too. It is among the main killers of pregnant women and abortion has nothing to do with it. While abortion was illegal in Ireland, Ireland had the most advanced research lab in the world to deal with difficult pregnancies (now to be closed) and had among the top 2 or 3 in the world for baby and mother survival rates. There is not one single death in ireland ever due to lack of abortion. Not one. But what about women murdered who want a baby and a man does not? 3 or 4 women have died in ireland due to that since Savita, which indicates we need to protect pregnant women and babies more, not less. | |||
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"Put simply, there's no being 100% Christian. You're either a Christian or you aren't. -seems pretty clear cut to me - by your own logic, either it's 100% or it's 0% as to whether you're a Christian? I don't see it as being a puzzle either. Faith, beliefs and attitudes do change slightly with time. I'd say that probably 95% of religious people don't practice abstinence. but then again you have a problem with percentages anyway -is it 80% you adhere to and don't intend repenting for or is it the 100% Christian you aspire to be -I'm confused?" I do not understand the obsession with percentages. You can be a Christan AND a sinner, the two are not mutually exclusive therefore this percentage thing is irrelevant. As for mortality, faith is a personal thing so I think that is down to the individual to choose what is right and wrong using their religion as a guide. | |||
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"Fear not everyone, for I have just channelled the spirit of our saviour and he says it’s fine to swing
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" being a sinner does not preclude one from being Catholic. Winner, winner, chicken dinner " I'm pretty sure that all catholics are sinners by definition and that would be without original sin (which I believe had been abolished :D) Mostly religion would seem to be a pick and mix of rules coupled with occasional murderous outbursts of rule-reinstatement so yeah, of course one can be religious and be a swinger. I suspect that a lot of murderers including the genocidal ones have been and will be religious/faithful so a little sex -outside-wedlock is small beer.... That's one of the amazing thing about the human mind, it can comfortably accommodate a host of contradictory ideas, mine bloody well does 
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"You just have to believe that lust and sex outside marriage are bad, but you're doing it anyway even though you know you shouldn't and you regret that you do it. That in a perfect world you wouldn't do it." I think one is supposed to make the world a little closer to perfect by improving ones behaviors? It's all about the striving, not just acknowledging that one has feet of clay and carrying on regardless :D I believe that people in Europe were better at this in the last as they had a better instilled sense of someone watching over them and of everlasting punishment. These days the indoctrination isn't as good as it was and standards have slipped, at least in Europe. Some parts of the world are still very up for hard core belief and acting on it, very often this is most noticeable when they're terribly mean to other people but I imagine they lead 'better' lives in between the killing and torturing and don't swing, it's just not widely advertised (for those that are wondering I'm given to understand that buying a sex slave is ok, no worries there!). | |||
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"You just have to believe that lust and sex outside marriage are bad, but you're doing it anyway even though you know you shouldn't and you regret that you do it. That in a perfect world you wouldn't do it. I think one is supposed to make the world a little closer to perfect by improving ones behaviors? It's all about the striving, not just acknowledging that one has feet of clay and carrying on regardless :D I believe that people in Europe were better at this in the last as they had a better instilled sense of someone watching over them and of everlasting punishment. These days the indoctrination isn't as good as it was and standards have slipped, at least in Europe. Some parts of the world are still very up for hard core belief and acting on it, very often this is most noticeable when they're terribly mean to other people but I imagine they lead 'better' lives in between the killing and torturing and don't swing, it's just not widely advertised (for those that are wondering I'm given to understand that buying a sex slave is ok, no worries there!)." In the 20th century the non-religious managed to kill more people than any religion had managed in the previous 19 centuries combined | |||
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"You just have to believe that lust and sex outside marriage are bad, but you're doing it anyway even though you know you shouldn't and you regret that you do it. That in a perfect world you wouldn't do it. I think one is supposed to make the world a little closer to perfect by improving ones behaviors? It's all about the striving, not just acknowledging that one has feet of clay and carrying on regardless :D I believe that people in Europe were better at this in the last as they had a better instilled sense of someone watching over them and of everlasting punishment. These days the indoctrination isn't as good as it was and standards have slipped, at least in Europe. Some parts of the world are still very up for hard core belief and acting on it, very often this is most noticeable when they're terribly mean to other people but I imagine they lead 'better' lives in between the killing and torturing and don't swing, it's just not widely advertised (for those that are wondering I'm given to understand that buying a sex slave is ok, no worries there!). In the 20th century the non-religious managed to kill more people than any religion had managed in the previous 19 centuries combined "That all depends how you quantify "non-religious" -I've yet to see an American President who was agnostic let alone atheist. That's before we even get into the whole jihadi thing (Taliban, Al-Quaeda, Isis, Al-Shabab) or the LRA in Africa not to mention what has been done in the name of Zionism. | |||
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"You just have to believe that lust and sex outside marriage are bad, but you're doing it anyway even though you know you shouldn't and you regret that you do it. That in a perfect world you wouldn't do it. I think one is supposed to make the world a little closer to perfect by improving ones behaviors? It's all about the striving, not just acknowledging that one has feet of clay and carrying on regardless :D I believe that people in Europe were better at this in the last as they had a better instilled sense of someone watching over them and of everlasting punishment. These days the indoctrination isn't as good as it was and standards have slipped, at least in Europe. Some parts of the world are still very up for hard core belief and acting on it, very often this is most noticeable when they're terribly mean to other people but I imagine they lead 'better' lives in between the killing and torturing and don't swing, it's just not widely advertised (for those that are wondering I'm given to understand that buying a sex slave is ok, no worries there!). In the 20th century the non-religious managed to kill more people than any religion had managed in the previous 19 centuries combined
That all depends how you quantify "non-religious" -I've yet to see an American President who was agnostic let alone atheist. That's before we even get into the whole jihadi thing (Taliban, Al-Quaeda, Isis, Al-Shabab) or the LRA in Africa not to mention what has been done in the name of Zionism."Yes it does, but i get over 100,000,000 deaths by declared atheist states just from the Soviet Union and China. That's without counting abortions which practically every religion agrees is murder. | |||
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That all depends how you quantify "non-religious" -I've yet to see an American President who was agnostic let alone atheist. That's before we even get into the whole jihadi thing (Taliban, Al-Quaeda, Isis, Al-Shabab) or the LRA in Africa not to mention what has been done in the name of Zionism.
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Have ya seen it in china and india"Yes, they aren't Catholic countries though... ? | |||
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"You just have to believe that lust and sex outside marriage are bad, but you're doing it anyway even though you know you shouldn't and you regret that you do it. That in a perfect world you wouldn't do it. I think one is supposed to make the world a little closer to perfect by improving ones behaviors? It's all about the striving, not just acknowledging that one has feet of clay and carrying on regardless :D I believe that people in Europe were better at this in the last as they had a better instilled sense of someone watching over them and of everlasting punishment. These days the indoctrination isn't as good as it was and standards have slipped, at least in Europe. Some parts of the world are still very up for hard core belief and acting on it, very often this is most noticeable when they're terribly mean to other people but I imagine they lead 'better' lives in between the killing and torturing and don't swing, it's just not widely advertised (for those that are wondering I'm given to understand that buying a sex slave is ok, no worries there!). In the 20th century the non-religious managed to kill more people than any religion had managed in the previous 19 centuries combined
That all depends how you quantify "non-religious" -I've yet to see an American President who was agnostic let alone atheist. That's before we even get into the whole jihadi thing (Taliban, Al-Quaeda, Isis, Al-Shabab) or the LRA in Africa not to mention what has been done in the name of Zionism.
Yes it does, but i get over 100,000,000 deaths by declared atheist states just from the Soviet Union and China. That's without counting abortions which practically every religion agrees is murder. murder!,murder!, we'll have none of that here,this is a local thread for local people"There's nothing for you here | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
Have you seen the birth rate in Italy?
Have ya seen it in china and india
Yes, they aren't Catholic countries though... ? "Goa is mostly Christians, because of the Portuguese colonisation | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
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Have ya seen it in china and india
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Goa is mostly Christians, because of the Portuguese colonisation"Jason bournes partner died In goa | |||
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".... .Yes it does, but i get over 100,000,000 deaths by declared atheist states just from the Soviet Union and China. That's without counting abortions which practically every religion agrees is murder. " While the states might be officially atheist the people pulling the trigger probably weren't, both Stalin and Mao were brought up in religious cultures as were all their contemporaries so the bulk of the killing would have been done by people with some kind of faith. Are you sure about the 100 million? Seems a little high unless you take the very highest estimates. Not that they weren't heroically large! A shame that the communist experiment went so very far off the rails but that's people for you, let some idiot get their hands on absolute power and a licence to make the perfect society and apparently it involves lot of people dying *sighs* Still, if one does belive in a benevolent God it's probably all for the best. Which reminds me. It would seem that some people are biologically more predisposed to experience the world in such a way as to support a theistic world view than others. I'm firmly in the latter camp and am probably not able to understand how the former see reality and vise versa. It's both an exciting and slightly terrify situation if true. Mike xx | |||
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"I would presume Catholics can as they can go to confessional and be absolved. Not if condoms are involved
Have you seen the birth rate in Italy?
Have ya seen it in china and india
Yes, they aren't Catholic countries though... ?
Goa is mostly Christians, because of the Portuguese colonisationJason bournes partner died In goa "Killed by a Russian Christian | |||
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".... .Yes it does, but i get over 100,000,000 deaths by declared atheist states just from the Soviet Union and China. That's without counting abortions which practically every religion agrees is murder. While the states might be officially atheist the people pulling the trigger probably weren't, both Stalin and Mao were brought up in religious cultures as were all their contemporaries so the bulk of the killing would have been done by people with some kind of faith. Are you sure about the 100 million? Seems a little high unless you take the very highest estimates. Not that they weren't heroically large! A shame that the communist experiment went so very far off the rails but that's people for you, let some idiot get their hands on absolute power and a licence to make the perfect society and apparently it involves lot of people dying *sighs* Still, if one does belive in a benevolent God it's probably all for the best. Which reminds me. It would seem that some people are biologically more predisposed to experience the world in such a way as to support a theistic world view than others. I'm firmly in the latter camp and am probably not able to understand how the former see reality and vise versa. It's both an exciting and slightly terrify situation if true. Mike xx" You're not telling me "that wasn't real communism" are you? You can past 100m easily, that's without counting those massacred in Ukraine. There are still death camps in north Korea today, is that not real communism either? Not a lot of Christian death camps these days... | |||
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"I didn't know that Jesus said much that would have knocked swinging and free love. Constantine ultimately determined what was put inside of the new Testament and he wasn't 100% Christina or Pagan in his beliefs. Most of the book was written by people who didn't know him, so what we have gives enough of a green light" He didn't. Constantine was at the first council of nicea but he didn't vote. | |||
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