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"Does this mean you’re leaving the Moose Knuckle Crew OP and if you are,will it carry on without you ? " Well you’re second in command so you’ll have to carry it on. Remember we don’t stand for pack mentality bullying, that’s our main principle. | |||
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"When are you next seeing gym guy? " See him every week in work but Xmas do is next month. Definitely think real world or at least a dating site is the way to go. | |||
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"It will be bittersweet to leave purely because I’ve been here so long and I do actually like the people on here. Even if I just stayed for the forums and hid my profile it’s basically what I do anyway. It makes you comfy and not pro active. " I stay because I like the people. I'm not a swinger, and this site helped me discover that and put me off swinging in general (I had fantasised about it in the past). I'll hide my profile if I'm dating and would certainly leave if I started to date someone seriously. I still go to socials and stuff though and I have really enjoyed them. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. " With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " Crap. A waste of who’s time. Yours? It’s not a waste of my time. Not everyone wants to fuck anything that moves or wants to meet lots of different people. Plenty of people on here want to just have one or two FWBs. I’ve heard some are looking for a relationship and some have found one! Why do people feel the need to tell people what they should and shouldn’t be doing on here? | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " She covers that in her third paragraph 
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " Don’t be ridiculous. People can and do use this site (other sites may be available) for many reasons. Loves have been lost and found, sex has been with or without strings, ropes and/or nipple clamps. Relationships of all sorts have been forged. You don’t get to make the rules. Everyone of us has a reason for being here and must do what feels good for us. V x | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. " Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. " It might be a great place to find a non sexually monogamous relationship though. V x | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. " No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's. | |||
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"The OP had even stated “I don’t want to swing”. Remind me what this website is called again? "I've never been interested in swinging, bringing another woman into sex is a turn off for me. I found what i wanted on here while single. Am on here as a couple coz i know i will find what i want to, i even go to swinging clubs to not swing. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's." I’m pretty sure the op is looking for a monogamous relationship to be fair ..... | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's." But the op is complaining that she doesn’t want to swing, and yet is on a website calling itself “Fab swingers”. I’m not sure I can make the point any more clearly than that. If she no longer wishes to be a part of that scene, why not simply leave without the fanfair of a thread telling us she is l leaving?! I’m also unsure why you’re swearing at me and attacking me personally.... | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though."I’m rapidly realising the truth of what you’ve said. Welcome to the matrix, I guess! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go?" Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think . | |||
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"The OP had even stated “I don’t want to swing”. Remind me what this website is called again? "One here put it best in my opinion, we are all here for our own reasons. I for one aren’t on here looking to screw just ‘anyone’ with a pulse. I’m sure there are those on here that are though. I actually understand where the OP is coming from in her post and wish her nothing but the best of luck in whatever direction life takes her. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think . "Ranty man is back I see. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though.
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go?" I remember that thread: the number of SM who had no intention of swinging was high. But who cares! People come and go; swing, stop, do 1:1 meets etc... Read the profile, if it meets your needs then message; otherwise move on. Good luck OP; hope you find what you’re looking for | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think . "Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Ranty man is back I see."Trust me. If I was ranting, your windows would be shaking, you wouldn’t need the website to hear me. I’m less “ranty man” than “man new to fab, who isn’t doing terribly on here to be fair, but who doesn’t get the bias against single men and the evident confusion of some members as to what they are looking for”. . | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! " Exactly the above if that what was a single guy posting the same he’d be deluged with ‘look at me’ accusations. Only saying | |||
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" you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though."I don't think it's that exactly. A lot of women aren't suited for relationships, for whatever reasons. I'd say many of us (and men too) come here as singles coz we have high sex drives and just want NSA sex. And tbh it's ideal if you're independent to just have NSA sex and do your own thing within your life outside of sex. But people get feelings sometimes, i've had a few guys want relationships...some so they can swing and fuck other women without the hassle of being a single male, but a couple genuinely wanted a monogamous relationship and i felt the same way about them. Wasn't looking for love with them. But that's how all my relationships started, we had sex and eventually wanted more than that. People get feelings sometimes that they didn't expect. I'd say most single people looking for NSA aren't really up for a relationship at all, probably been really hurt before and don't see relationships as viable or beneficial. This was me until i found my partner. Not even know how i ended up in a relationship with him lol but it happened. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. " Wait. Aren't you complaining that this site isn't a good place to find a monogamous relationship because it's a 'swinging' site but then also complaining that there are too many people that are looking for a monogamous relationship on here? If that's the case, it might be a great place to look for one. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway! "But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around. What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. Wait. Aren't you complaining that this site isn't a good place to find a monogamous relationship because it's a 'swinging' site but then also complaining that there are too many people that are looking for a monogamous relationship on here? If that's the case, it might be a great place to look for one. Touché.. " | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's. But the op is complaining that she doesn’t want to swing, and yet is on a website calling itself “Fab swingers”. I’m not sure I can make the point any more clearly than that. If she no longer wishes to be a part of that scene, why not simply leave without the fanfair of a thread telling us she is l leaving?! I’m also unsure why you’re swearing at me and attacking me personally.... " Why does it bother you that the OP has posted her intent to leave? You didn’t have to reply. The forum is full of all sorts of posts, plenty that I find dull or pointless or bat shit but I leave things be because why be unkind? The only good to come out of the bitchy comments you leave all over the forum is that they serve as a warning to women to give you a wide berth. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. Wait. Aren't you complaining that this site isn't a good place to find a monogamous relationship because it's a 'swinging' site but then also complaining that there are too many people that are looking for a monogamous relationship on here? If that's the case, it might be a great place to look for one. " I imagine it’s mostly the female profiles looking for that. I can’t speak for the male profiles, since I haven’t met any of the men behind them, but the enormous number of posts cricisiting single men for “only wanting one thing” etc. rather prove my point! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
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" you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though.
I don't think it's that exactly. A lot of women aren't suited for relationships, for whatever reasons. I'd say many of us (and men too) come here as singles coz we have high sex drives and just want NSA sex.
And tbh it's ideal if you're independent to just have NSA sex and do your own thing within your life outside of sex. But people get feelings sometimes, i've had a few guys want relationships...some so they can swing and fuck other women without the hassle of being a single male, but a couple genuinely wanted a monogamous relationship and i felt the same way about them. Wasn't looking for love with them. But that's how all my relationships started, we had sex and eventually wanted more than that.
People get feelings sometimes that they didn't expect. I'd say most single people looking for NSA aren't really up for a relationship at all, probably been really hurt before and don't see relationships as viable or beneficial. This was me until i found my partner. Not even know how i ended up in a relationship with him lol but it happened."I'm a strong believer in love at first site and fate. You meet someone and you just know... there's chemistry. Before I met my ex I was planning on travelling. Actually a month after our first date I was gone.... She asked me about my plans and I told her I don't don't want kids, I don't want a relationship, not settling down. Ended up being with her over 5 years. Someone can come into your life and completely alter it. You can't get much bigger than my experience. Won't make that mistake again though. Although it was an amazing 5 years that I will cherish.. It's just not my thing to settle. I do miss the closeness with someone. It's not just about sex! as the OP said she just wants a cwtch, some closeness. Don't have to want to be or be in a relationship to want the feeling of being 'loved'. Although it may not be the love that changes lives, why can't 2 people just feel love without the love.... now that makes sense in my head lol... | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live. "You’ve missed the point. I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site... I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me? | |||
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" you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though.
I don't think it's that exactly. A lot of women aren't suited for relationships, for whatever reasons. I'd say many of us (and men too) come here as singles coz we have high sex drives and just want NSA sex.
And tbh it's ideal if you're independent to just have NSA sex and do your own thing within your life outside of sex. But people get feelings sometimes, i've had a few guys want relationships...some so they can swing and fuck other women without the hassle of being a single male, but a couple genuinely wanted a monogamous relationship and i felt the same way about them. Wasn't looking for love with them. But that's how all my relationships started, we had sex and eventually wanted more than that.
People get feelings sometimes that they didn't expect. I'd say most single people looking for NSA aren't really up for a relationship at all, probably been really hurt before and don't see relationships as viable or beneficial. This was me until i found my partner. Not even know how i ended up in a relationship with him lol but it happened.
I'm a strong believer in love at first site and fate. You meet someone and you just know... there's chemistry. Before I met my ex I was planning on travelling. Actually a month after our first date I was gone.... She asked me about my plans and I told her I don't don't want kids, I don't want a relationship, not settling down. Ended up being with her over 5 years. Someone can come into your life and completely alter it. You can't get much bigger than my experience. Won't make that mistake again though. Although it was an amazing 5 years that I will cherish.. It's just not my thing to settle.
I do miss the closeness with someone. It's not just about sex! as the OP said she just wants a cwtch, some closeness. Don't have to want to be or be in a relationship to want the feeling of being 'loved'. Although it may not be the love that changes lives, why can't 2 people just feel love without the love.... now that makes sense in my head lol..."I know what you mean, why can't people just love and care for others without being in love with them? It is strange that we have to be in a relationship or related to people to love them. Well most people are like that. I get that people are reciprocal but they also have to be tied to someone to make it work. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. Wait. Aren't you complaining that this site isn't a good place to find a monogamous relationship because it's a 'swinging' site but then also complaining that there are too many people that are looking for a monogamous relationship on here? If that's the case, it might be a great place to look for one. I imagine it’s mostly the female profiles looking for that. I can’t speak for the male profiles, since I haven’t met any of the men behind them, but the enormous number of posts cricisiting single men for “only wanting one thing” etc. rather prove my point! "Exactly this I while I sympathise with the Op s predicament the above had a point and it’s nice to see a fellow fabber standing up for the single men on here If I was to the post the same I’d just be an attention seeker | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?! "I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF. If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there. | |||
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"So many sweeping statements and judgement on here. It’s turned rather unpleasant. OP seems to have arrived at a conclusion and is ready to start a new stage in her life. Instead of making it about yourself, or moaning about the site not meeting your needs; wish her luck or zip it. Namaste "Hense why I've deleted so many accounts. Too much judging on here. People are to quick to pounce on someone who is feeling a bit down on themselves. This isn't an easy site for the self conscious people out there. I think people need a big reality check and stop looking down on others. As it's been said 'live and let live'... we are all different, we are all unique, don't hate someone just because they don't fit in to 'your world' or they're different to you. As your mother probably told you 'If you got nothing nice to say, don't say it!!!'  | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's. But the op is complaining that she doesn’t want to swing, and yet is on a website calling itself “Fab swingers”. I’m not sure I can make the point any more clearly than that. If she no longer wishes to be a part of that scene, why not simply leave without the fanfair of a thread telling us she is l leaving?! I’m also unsure why you’re swearing at me and attacking me personally.... Why does it bother you that the OP has posted her intent to leave? You didn’t have to reply. The forum is full of all sorts of posts, plenty that I find dull or pointless or bat shit but I leave things be because why be unkind? The only good to come out of the bitchy comments you leave all over the forum is that they serve as a warning to women to give you a wide berth. " warning to women to give you a wide berth. " As I see it, I haven’t left any bitchy posts - I’ve simply answered this (and other) threads as I see it. As and when the site doesn’t work for me I’ll simply leave - I won’t feel the need to post a thread stating that I’m on a swingers’ website when I don’t want to swing or have sex with multiple people, and considering leaving. Why would I bother? Funny that. Your last statement isn’t proving correct so far. That’s plenty good enough for me . | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me? "You've missed my point - I am merely holding a mirror up to you, I am not the one judging the OP for using the site as she sees fit. You are a pot calling a kettle black! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me? "I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently. | |||
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" you are not in the loop a lot of single women use this site because they can attract men that wouldn't want to have a relationship with them just NSA. They think they can lure them into a relationship though.
I don't think it's that exactly. A lot of women aren't suited for relationships, for whatever reasons. I'd say many of us (and men too) come here as singles coz we have high sex drives and just want NSA sex.
And tbh it's ideal if you're independent to just have NSA sex and do your own thing within your life outside of sex. But people get feelings sometimes, i've had a few guys want relationships...some so they can swing and fuck other women without the hassle of being a single male, but a couple genuinely wanted a monogamous relationship and i felt the same way about them. Wasn't looking for love with them. But that's how all my relationships started, we had sex and eventually wanted more than that.
People get feelings sometimes that they didn't expect. I'd say most single people looking for NSA aren't really up for a relationship at all, probably been really hurt before and don't see relationships as viable or beneficial. This was me until i found my partner. Not even know how i ended up in a relationship with him lol but it happened.
I'm a strong believer in love at first site and fate. You meet someone and you just know... there's chemistry. Before I met my ex I was planning on travelling. Actually a month after our first date I was gone.... She asked me about my plans and I told her I don't don't want kids, I don't want a relationship, not settling down. Ended up being with her over 5 years. Someone can come into your life and completely alter it. You can't get much bigger than my experience. Won't make that mistake again though. Although it was an amazing 5 years that I will cherish.. It's just not my thing to settle.
I do miss the closeness with someone. It's not just about sex! as the OP said she just wants a cwtch, some closeness. Don't have to want to be or be in a relationship to want the feeling of being 'loved'. Although it may not be the love that changes lives, why can't 2 people just feel love without the love.... now that makes sense in my head lol...
I know what you mean, why can't people just love and care for others without being in love with them? It is strange that we have to be in a relationship or related to people to love them. Well most people are like that. I get that people are reciprocal but they also have to be tied to someone to make it work."My point exactly. It society that says we should be in relationships etc... we've been brought up in the idea of 'wife and 3 kids' government peddling lol. They just want us all to be producing more tax payers. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. " I wish you well on your journey, may you find what your looking for. ttfn | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there."1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either? 2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves). 3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently."I never said it was a competition. But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently.
I never said it was a competition.
But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”. "You made a comment saying the OP shouldn't be here.. which started the debate on who dictates what's acceptable or not. The point is surely to be open about likes and intent and find someone that matches rather than winge about preferences or opinions that don't affect you. I'm a very awkward one but have no problem finding an equally awkward match.. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently.
I never said it was a competition.
But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”.
You made a comment saying the OP shouldn't be here.. which started the debate on who dictates what's acceptable or not. The point is surely to be open about likes and intent and find someone that matches rather than winge about preferences or opinions that don't affect you. I'm a very awkward one but have no problem finding an equally awkward match.. "The moral of the story is... If you don't agree with a thread don't comment. | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! I'm a single male who feels the same. I suspect that Annie, like me, couldn't give a fuck if some random off the internet thinks that we are here wasting their precious time. If you want women who only want NSA sex, then use your social skills to ascertain who those women are, and try not to throw a tantrum when they turn out not to be exactly what you want from them, whining isn't attractive. Oh pipe down, and there’s no need to swear! You’re seriously telling me you think a swingers’ site is the place to find a monogamous relationship?! Good grief. For avoidance or doubt, it isn’t. I’m certainly not on here for that and it frankly astonishes me that so many people seem to be. No, I'm not on here for a monogamous relationship, neither is the OP. However, plenty of people have found relationships on here. My point was that all it takes to find out why someone you are interested in is some basic social skills. If it is too much effort for you to employ basic conversation, that's your problem, nobody else's. But the op is complaining that she doesn’t want to swing, and yet is on a website calling itself “Fab swingers”. I’m not sure I can make the point any more clearly than that. If she no longer wishes to be a part of that scene, why not simply leave without the fanfair of a thread telling us she is l leaving?! I’m also unsure why you’re swearing at me and attacking me personally.... Why does it bother you that the OP has posted her intent to leave? You didn’t have to reply. The forum is full of all sorts of posts, plenty that I find dull or pointless or bat shit but I leave things be because why be unkind? The only good to come out of the bitchy comments you leave all over the forum is that they serve as a warning to women to give you a wide berth. " Hear hear | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently.
I never said it was a competition.
But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”.
You made a comment saying the OP shouldn't be here.. which started the debate on who dictates what's acceptable or not. The point is surely to be open about likes and intent and find someone that matches rather than winge about preferences or opinions that don't affect you. I'm a very awkward one but have no problem finding an equally awkward match..
The moral of the story is... If you don't agree with a thread don't comment. "Not at all.. it's simply not a debate thread. It's one long term member stating her frame of mind and saying goodbye. Is turned into who should and shouldn't be allowed on here.. very odd! | |||
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Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently.
I never said it was a competition.
But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”.
You made a comment saying the OP shouldn't be here.. which started the debate on who dictates what's acceptable or not. The point is surely to be open about likes and intent and find someone that matches rather than winge about preferences or opinions that don't affect you. I'm a very awkward one but have no problem finding an equally awkward match..
The moral of the story is... If you don't agree with a thread don't comment.
Not at all.. it's simply not a debate thread. It's one long term member stating her frame of mind and saying goodbye. Is turned into who should and shouldn't be allowed on here.. very odd!"All it takes is one comment to turn a thread around lol | |||
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Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
Such a ridiculous argument. As long as you lay out clearly what you want who actually cares?!?? Live and let live.
You’ve missed the point.
I’ve joined a swingers website and been told I’m not a “swinger” because I’m a “just” a single bloke who wants to shag around, by a single female on the same site...
I’m asking what makes her any more of a “swinger” than me?
I wasn't aware it was a competition?! Quite frankly I don't judge whatever people's reasons are for joining or leaving. I find profiles that match what I'm looking for and enjoy the experience. Nobody is going to tell me I can't be here because I don't sleep with enough people. We are all here for different reasons and kinks so should respect that others may do things differently.
I never said it was a competition.
But you’ll note it wasn’t me telling someone else they aren’t a “swinger”.
You made a comment saying the OP shouldn't be here.. which started the debate on who dictates what's acceptable or not. The point is surely to be open about likes and intent and find someone that matches rather than winge about preferences or opinions that don't affect you. I'm a very awkward one but have no problem finding an equally awkward match..
The moral of the story is... If you don't agree with a thread don't comment.
Not at all.. it's simply not a debate thread. It's one long term member stating her frame of mind and saying goodbye. Is turned into who should and shouldn't be allowed on here.. very odd!
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Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy.
You missing the point again - I'm not calling you out on not being a swinger, though you're not - I'm calling you out on judging women."Judging women? 0-) And yet earlier a comment was made on these forums where someone equated some bad messages on here with the behaviour of the entire “male species”. #mentoo !!! I called them out and was basically told to shut up and look up what sexism was. I’ve posted a parody thread. Destroy me as a human being... if you can be assed. I like a barney . | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy.
You missing the point again - I'm not calling you out on not being a swinger, though you're not - I'm calling you out on judging women.
Judging women? 0-)
And yet earlier a comment was made on these forums where someone equated some bad messages on here with the behaviour of the entire “male species”. #mentoo !!!
I called them out and was basically told to shut up and look up what sexism was.
I’ve posted a parody thread. Destroy me as a human being... if you can be assed.
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I’ve done that before, I’ve been months and months with age filters to stop messages and just used the forum, even being on here that way makes you feel comfortable and stops you being pro active.
I’ll exchange contact details with people who genuinely want to keep in touch. "Aww, I wish I got to know you better before you left.. gutted. Although we've not chatted I wish you the best... | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Ranty man is back I see.
Trust me. If I was ranting, your windows would be shaking, you wouldn’t need the website to hear me.
I’m less “ranty man” than “man new to fab, who isn’t doing terribly on here to be fair, but who doesn’t get the bias against single men and the evident confusion of some members as to what they are looking for”. .
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Ranty man is back I see.
Trust me. If I was ranting, your windows would be shaking, you wouldn’t need the website to hear me.
I’m less “ranty man” than “man new to fab, who isn’t doing terribly on here to be fair, but who doesn’t get the bias against single men and the evident confusion of some members as to what they are looking for”. .
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. With all due respect, if you don’t want to have NSA sex (or just sex not leading to a relationship), why on earth did you join a swingers’ site? Sadly this seems to be a running theme with some female profiles on here, which is a waste of everyones’ time: “I’ve met you on a swingers’ site but I’m really looking for a boyfriend” is a line that gets old fast... Head over to Guardian soulmates or POF! And a running theme from men is " Jesus no, I wouldnt get my kit off in front of other men. Or go to swingers clubs. Oh, and I dont share partners. God, no" Where should they go? Well they have no business being on here either, to be fair! But I’m just a single guy, so who cares what I think .
Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy.
You missing the point again - I'm not calling you out on not being a swinger, though you're not - I'm calling you out on judging women.
Judging women? 0-)
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I’ve done that before, I’ve been months and months with age filters to stop messages and just used the forum, even being on here that way makes you feel comfortable and stops you being pro active.
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. " Oi!  Stop copying me Annie
I'm only staying around to find out what the gym guy says. I hope he realises he's got several Fab memberships waiting on him 
If you want any dating advice you know where to find me... until I'm gone I'm leaving because I'm going to pursue a very different tack with dating and I need the discipline of not having Fab as an easy option. I'm not sure why you're leaving but in general I think a genuinely single person should probably only stay on here during that time that they're either undateable or not really looking for a lasting connection with anyone. So I think you're probably right to move on. Good luck in finding love xx | |||
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I'm only staying around to find out what the gym guy says. I hope he realises he's got several Fab memberships waiting on him
If you want any dating advice you know where to find me... until I'm gone I'm leaving because I'm going to pursue a very different tack with dating and I need the discipline of not having Fab as an easy option. I'm not sure why you're leaving but in general I think a genuinely single person should probably only stay on here during that time that they're either undateable or not really looking for a lasting connection with anyone. So I think you're probably right to move on. Good luck in finding love xx"I know, after I posted it I thought I’m bloody copying soulful! Hopefully when it comes to leaving I’ll have a strong team assembled on WhatsApp for when I need advice! | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. Oi! Stop copying me Annie
I'm only staying around to find out what the gym guy says. I hope he realises he's got several Fab memberships waiting on him
If you want any dating advice you know where to find me... until I'm gone I'm leaving because I'm going to pursue a very different tack with dating and I need the discipline of not having Fab as an easy option. I'm not sure why you're leaving but in general I think a genuinely single person should probably only stay on here during that time that they're either undateable or not really looking for a lasting connection with anyone. So I think you're probably right to move on. Good luck in finding love xx
I know, after I posted it I thought I’m bloody copying soulful!
Hopefully when it comes to leaving I’ll have a strong team assembled on WhatsApp for when I need advice!"You're going to need a team to compensate for Dr Love here  haha
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I'm only staying around to find out what the gym guy says. I hope he realises he's got several Fab memberships waiting on him
If you want any dating advice you know where to find me... until I'm gone I'm leaving because I'm going to pursue a very different tack with dating and I need the discipline of not having Fab as an easy option. I'm not sure why you're leaving but in general I think a genuinely single person should probably only stay on here during that time that they're either undateable or not really looking for a lasting connection with anyone. So I think you're probably right to move on. Good luck in finding love xx
I know, after I posted it I thought I’m bloody copying soulful!
Hopefully when it comes to leaving I’ll have a strong team assembled on WhatsApp for when I need advice!
You're going to need a team to compensate for Dr Love here haha
Seriously though... what are the forums going to do without the woman who can't ask a guy for a drink or the guy who needs dating advice just to say hi to a woman in a cafe??? "Can't you both stay??! | |||
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Ranty man is back I see.
Trust me. If I was ranting, your windows would be shaking, you wouldn’t need the website to hear me.
I’m less “ranty man” than “man new to fab, who isn’t doing terribly on here to be fair, but who doesn’t get the bias against single men and the evident confusion of some members as to what they are looking for”. .
"Because you're trying to make everyone fit your labs - you're on Fab so should be doing... X. Just go with it - some will be looking for the same as you, speak with you. Some won't - move on. Don't let it wind you up else you'll come across in a way that will make it harder to get meets and then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. | |||
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Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy. "In my experience most on pof tinder etc are only on there covering all bases for NSA, most there are here too. That's why I stick to fab, at least people are honest about what they are looking for. | |||
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Yup, you're not a swinger, you're just a single guy who wants to shag around. So by your logic you should piss off to Instashag.com anyway!
But, to be fair, your profile suggests you’re a single female, presumably one who wants to shag around.
What makes you anymore of a “swinger” than me?!
I'm not a swinger at all, and I very rarely sleep with someone new - I found good long-term fwb relationships on here, and far more men wanting to wine me and dine me than GS or POF.
If you only want to shag around I recommend POF, I know guys who do very well on there.
1. Aha, now we are getting somewhere. So you’re not a swinger either (whatever the hell that actually means - nobody on here seems to know!) - so what qualifies to tell me I’m not one either?
2. I’m happy to do socials off here - I’m not really down for “wining and dining” as I view the women I meet as equals (to be fair, that might be a generational thing, we millennials tend to go halves).
3. Been on POF for years and done well from it, but most on there seek monogamy.
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There wasn’t much tea and sympathy on offer was there....
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There wasn’t much tea and sympathy on offer was there....
More importantly, when are you bringing me my breakfast baguette from Waitrose?
I wasnt referring to your 'parody' but to SoK's 'notice of intention to depart soon' thread.
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There wasn’t much tea and sympathy on offer was there....
More importantly, when are you bringing me my breakfast baguette from Waitrose?
I wasnt referring to your 'parody' but to SoK's 'notice of intention to depart soon' thread.
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" In my experience most on pof tinder etc are only on there covering all bases for NSA, most there are here too. That's why I stick to fab, at least people are honest about what they are looking for. That’s true but too many times over the years I’ve been told that had a guy met me on a conventional dating site or in the real world then it would have changed their perception of me. It’s as if being on here somehow makes you dirty. It should be what’s good for the goose is good for the gander but it’s not. Guys consider this place a fuck site, or say it is what it is. All the guys I’ve met or spoken to have said that they’d never consider dating a girl they met off here. It’s stupid but it’s my experience of this place, that by being on here I’ll only ever be good enough to fuck but not date. " It's the same on the opposite side of the aisle. Women just don't expect a genuinely high quality male to stoop as low as to join a site like this. As such, I feel most see the guys on here as meat. There's pretty meat and unpretty meat. I would've considered dating a woman on here but unfortunately the vast majority are too busy looking at the candy wrapping of the gym bods than seeking out anything deeper. As for this site being more honest. Nonsense. Why would someone favour a dating site where they don't show their face over one where they do? Can you imagine the carnage that would occur to some people's opportunities on here if Fab suddenly started leading with face pics and people just swiped right to like and left to block. I want to go somewhere where I can safely initiate flirtatious conversations with women I already know I'm likely to be attracted to... ideally in a real world setting where I can sense there's also some chemistry. That, to me, is more honest, not less. The "sex first, ask questions later" format of Fab also doesn't work well for me. I want to get to know someone first before I make the decision, completely unpressured, to get intimate with them. Next time I fuck someone I want it to already be something I'm highly likely to want to do again, not just a test it and see. But none of this should be any surprise to anyone. I came onto this site an unapologetic romantic and I am leaving as one too | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. I wonder what reaction a single fella would get if he posted something like this? One of them did lol!
There wasn’t much tea and sympathy on offer was there....
More importantly, when are you bringing me my breakfast baguette from Waitrose?
I wasnt referring to your 'parody' but to SoK's 'notice of intention to depart soon' thread.
Sorry I don't baguette delivery, and those horses won't ride themselves...
Spare the horses. It’s only five minutes by broomstick!
Is an irrelevant playground insult really the best someone who claims tho have two law degeees can come up with? I'm not seeing an impressive legal mind at work here in my opinion, I'm beginning to think you are a fake."You take yourself very seriously don’t you. What I write on here is worth precisely what you’re paying me for it... | |||
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"I’m not. I’m not suited for a site where it’s predominantly about sex. I’ve been saying it for ages, why the fuck am I even on here. I don’t want to swing, I don’t want to shag loads of random guys. 8 years ago I joined here because I had such strong preferences for certain size dicks but now I don’t give a shit about them so I don’t need to see people’s willys. I owe it to some people to let you know if anything happens next month with gym guy but after that I really have to pack up my bag of tricks and say farewell for good and try conventional dating sites. Take this thread as your notice for mourning. I wonder what reaction a single fella would get if he posted something like this? One of them did lol!
There wasn’t much tea and sympathy on offer was there....
More importantly, when are you bringing me my breakfast baguette from Waitrose?
I wasnt referring to your 'parody' but to SoK's 'notice of intention to depart soon' thread.
Sorry I don't baguette delivery, and those horses won't ride themselves...
Spare the horses. It’s only five minutes by broomstick!
Is an irrelevant playground insult really the best someone who claims tho have two law degeees can come up with? I'm not seeing an impressive legal mind at work here in my opinion, I'm beginning to think you are a fake.
You take yourself very seriously don’t you. What I write on here is worth precisely what you’re paying me for it... "No argument from me on that one. | |||
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" In my experience most on pof tinder etc are only on there covering all bases for NSA, most there are here too. That's why I stick to fab, at least people are honest about what they are looking for. That’s true but too many times over the years I’ve been told that had a guy met me on a conventional dating site or in the real world then it would have changed their perception of me. It’s as if being on here somehow makes you dirty. It should be what’s good for the goose is good for the gander but it’s not. Guys consider this place a fuck site, or say it is what it is. All the guys I’ve met or spoken to have said that they’d never consider dating a girl they met off here. It’s stupid but it’s my experience of this place, that by being on here I’ll only ever be good enough to fuck but not date. It's the same on the opposite side of the aisle. Women just don't expect a genuinely high quality male to stoop as low as to join a site like this. As such, I feel most see the guys on here as meat. There's pretty meat and unpretty meat. I would've considered dating a woman on here but unfortunately the vast majority are too busy looking at the candy wrapping of the gym bods than seeking out anything deeper. As for this site being more honest. Nonsense. Why would someone favour a dating site where they don't show their face over one where they do? Can you imagine the carnage that would occur to some people's opportunities on here if Fab suddenly started leading with face pics and people just swiped right to like and left to block. I want to go somewhere where I can safely initiate flirtatious conversations with women I already know I'm likely to be attracted to... ideally in a real world setting where I can sense there's also some chemistry. That, to me, is more honest, not less. The "sex first, ask questions later" format of Fab also doesn't work well for me. I want to get to know someone first before I make the decision, completely unpressured, to get intimate with them. Next time I fuck someone I want it to already be something I'm highly likely to want to do again, not just a test it and see. But none of this should be any surprise to anyone. I came onto this site an unapologetic romantic and I am leaving as one too "Agree with much of the above. Some of the female profiles I’ve come across on here are extraordinarily poorly written and very few have clear face pics. Yet they are all inundated with messages. Then quite a few women on here seem to be trying to find monogamous relationships - “there’s an app for that” and it isn’t this one, unless you’re utterly deluded. At the end of the day this is only one avenue to meet people. I’d suggest trying singles events - you get the opportunity to meet real, normal, women in the flesh who aren’t just attention seeking from behind an anonymous internet profile. The quality of the women attending these events is usually far higher than the quality of the guys, which works in our favour... | |||
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" It's the same on the opposite side of the aisle. Women just don't expect a genuinely high quality male to stoop as low as to join a site like this. As such, I feel most see the guys on here as meat. There's pretty meat and unpretty meat. I would've considered dating a woman on here but unfortunately the vast majority are too busy looking at the candy wrapping of the gym bods than seeking out anything deeper. " No, no, no, I'm not letting you get away with that - your bitterness is showing and it's not pretty!!! There are genuinely high quality men on here, I have met several of them, and I think many women would leave if they did not also think that was the case - rare finds though they may be amongst all the randy chancers. And it is really sour grapes to condemn women for being more attracted to men with good masculine physiques, whether they were obtained in the gym or just naturally blessed. Yes, we are spoiled for choice on fab, but that does NOT mean we want nothing deeper, on the contrary, most of us still hope for both. And in my case (and many others I suspect) as I told you privately, it primarily takes a certain kind of focus anyway, and to my mind that's what your approach lacked here, you were too scattered. I would hazard a guess that a vast percentage of women here do not want to just 'fuck it and see' either - that's a large part of the reason for the tension between the sexes on here - many men do want to do precisely that, so those who don't should be cleaning up! | |||
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" It's the same on the opposite side of the aisle. Women just don't expect a genuinely high quality male to stoop as low as to join a site like this. As such, I feel most see the guys on here as meat. There's pretty meat and unpretty meat. I would've considered dating a woman on here but unfortunately the vast majority are too busy looking at the candy wrapping of the gym bods than seeking out anything deeper. No, no, no, I'm not letting you get away with that - your bitterness is showing and it's not pretty!!! There are genuinely high quality men on here, I have met several of them, and I think many women would leave if they did not also think that was the case - rare finds though they may be amongst all the randy chancers. And it is really sour grapes to condemn women for being more attracted to men with good masculine physiques, whether they were obtained in the gym or just naturally blessed. Yes, we are spoiled for choice on fab, but that does NOT mean we want nothing deeper, on the contrary, most of us still hope for both. And in my case (and many others I suspect) as I told you privately, it primarily takes a certain kind of focus anyway, and to my mind that's what your approach lacked here, you were too scattered. I would hazard a guess that a vast percentage of women here do not want to just 'fuck it and see' either - that's a large part of the reason for the tension between the sexes on here - many men do want to do precisely that, so those who don't should be cleaning up!" Well said and I agree with you on this. | |||
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