FabSwingers.com forum: would we win a war now if we had to conscript our teenagers?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "

If it was conducted on a games console... yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a hope in hell

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By *upremexMan
over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

We would not need soldiers and I don't think the youth of today or in fact anyone would sign up for queen and country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war

If it was conducted on a games console... yes."

Give it another 20 years and it probably will be..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't think there's the same patriotic fervor like there was prior to WWI & WWII so, no.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "
no they're all a bunch of Pussies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well hopefully we will never have to find out

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My guess is they would all be offended by something and go home crying

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By *uxom _edCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I guess it would depend on the training

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely no chance.

They'd be crying out for safe zones the moment the first bullet flew past their ears.

There's this certain... I won't say "despise" but "disdain" by those who have served in uniform before, for the soft civvie luvvies in society who sleep well at night knowing they don't have to potentially put their lives on the line or get their hands dirty to defend what's their way of life and safety. And I'd say it is well-earned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess it would depend on the training "

"Your TRAINING?! Your TRAINING is NOTHING. The WILL!! TO ACT!!! IS EVERYTHING!!!"

-Ra's Al Ghul, Batman Begins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its hard to charge the opposition with ya pants half way down past your arse

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

The irony of some of the most coddled generations in history responding to this question with dirision is not lost on me....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would never get the majority of them trained enough to attempt to fight a war.

Hard to fire a rifle with a phone permanently attached to one hand

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By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire

"I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today "

I have to say I agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today "

That's the thing though. When the callup happened they went anyway despite their fears.

Can you see modern British society accepting the need for a draft in wartime anymore? I can't.

The meaning of duty, loyalty to country, and honour has been largely lost by society at large. Only to be comparable by the over-the-top fetishisation of remembering the war dead from a hund_ed years or less ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today

I have to say I agree with you "

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

"Its hard to charge the opposition with ya pants half way down past your arse"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The irony of some of the most coddled generations in history responding to this question with dirision is not lost on me...."

Most coddled generation? I assume it's a veiled reference to me since I'm a 90s kid?

Did my two years in the army back home in Singapore. Still requi_ed under law to go back for reservist training every year unless I'm abroad for valid reasons. You'll find that the coddled generations only exist in countries and societies that don't take on defence as a national responsibility.

I daresay a youth from Israel or Singapore is going to be a lot less coddled than someone their generation or age from the UK or US.

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By *ockhard and SweetcheeksCouple
over a year ago

City

Absolutely not!!!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The irony of some of the most coddled generations in history responding to this question with dirision is not lost on me....

Most coddled generation? I assume it's a veiled reference to me since I'm a 90s kid?

I daresay a youth from Israel or Singapore is going to be a lot less coddled than someone their generation or age from the UK or US. "

I was talking mostly about the pre-crash generations of Brits. Slightly worse off than the boomers, but wanted for little, free education (for the most part), high social mobility, good healthcare, meaningful social security etc etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely.

I’d happily fight alongside today’s youth. They’re made of the same stuff previous generations were.

What’s the saying? The older I get the better I was. I think some of you are suffering from this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt it.

Although they would be great with the drone’s and other unmanned aircraft.

A lot of teenagers act lazy and struggle to get out of bed before midday.

And are too used to their parents doing things for them.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

No chance, too many empowe_ed teenagers that think the world owes them everything.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

With good training .. its not like a most of us have been asked to defend our country...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(Grabs soap box and steps onto it) When I see the standards of recruits graduating today compa_ed to 10, 20 years ago i have my doubts. Entry standards across all 3 arms of the forces has been _educed in an effort to get numbers up and that shows. Instructors and drill staff can't discipline them the way it used to be done for fear of being called a bully. Political correctness has a lot to answer for and snowflakes will be the downfall of this once great land. (Steps off soap box)

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today "

Yep.

'The youth of today are awful compa_ed to the superior generation that I just happen to be a member of' is a sentiment that humans have been expressing throughout history.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

Can you imagine all the Ketwigs pulling wheelies on the wrong side of the road and riding there scramblers into battle

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I sincerely hope we never have to find out but one should never underestimate the young or the old.

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By *rs Myvanwy Scarlet-BlackTV/TS
over a year ago

Darlaston

They all lack discipline the government has turned them into softies with there softly softly apporch I does not work a strong hand is what they need

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

What about all the teenagers having their limbs blown off right now? Most of you aren't that old, how would you have fai_ed in a war? Not so well I reckon. I'd like to think that most these days would tell the powers that be to stick their war up their ass! Their is no excuse for mass killing. Its just politics, them them fight their own battles.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Young people today are no different from young people then.

It's only age that makes you look down your nose.

Every generation that comes along challenges the one that went before it - it's how we always make progress.

It's a bit of a daft question, to be honest, and totally out of context.

Create an enemy at the gates in 2018 and then judge the response.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Prejudice against the young is one of the few that are still openly acceptable, unfortunately.

People wouldn't talk this disparagingly about the elderly or even the middle aged.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war no they're all a bunch of Pussies

Say that to the hoodie on a scootter who's nicking your phone at knifepoint....

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "

How would you fare if drafted now?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war no they're all a bunch of Pussies

Say that to the hoodie on a scootter who's nicking your phone at knifepoint...."
They tend to prey on the vulnerable though.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Only if there was an app for it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Prejudice against the young is one of the few that are still openly acceptable, unfortunately.

People wouldn't talk this disparagingly about the elderly or even the middle aged. "

Mind you people can be extremely dismissive of the elderly.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

"They all lack discipline the government has turned them into softies with there softly softly apporch I does not work a strong hand is what they need "

Lack discipline? You mean they won't do as they're told by the same people in charge of the current government shambles?

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

My apologies....this thread has clearly pissed me off.....I'll go and have a lie down now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess it would depend on the training "

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"And these children that you spit on

As they try to change their worlds,

Are immune to your consultations

They're quite aware of what they're going through"

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

"My apologies....this thread has clearly pissed me off.....I'll go and have a lie down now."

Well do the lie in to midday watching Jeremy Kyle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My first instinct was no, but then I thought of my son and his friends, and it occur_ed to me that the youth of the day won all the other wars..

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

I meant don't lie in DOH haha

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

1912 and I can imagine veterans of, say, the Boer War saying exactly the same thing.

"Lot of feckin' shirkers that youth of today, won't last 5 mins if they get called up to fight the Bosch."

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

"My apologies....this thread has clearly pissed me off.....I'll go and have a lie down now.

Well do the lie in to midday watching Jeremy Kyle

Or maybe watching a group of teenagers create a start up company to clear the oceans of plastic because our goverments haven't.....

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

"My apologies....this thread has clearly pissed me off.....I'll go and have a lie down now.

Well do the lie in to midday watching Jeremy Kyle

Or maybe watching a group of teenagers create a start up company to clear the oceans of plastic because our goverments haven't..... "

I am only joking, see my previous post, I have every faith in young people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My apologies....this thread has clearly pissed me off.....I'll go and have a lie down now."

I totally agree with your post above...

carry on....

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"My guess is they would all be offended by something and go home crying"
offended by being asked to be cannon fodder for someones political agenda.. my kids would tell the government to fuck off..the teens these days will do whats right not whats easy..maybe that's all the ones i have mixed with over the years..the world will become a different place when the war mongers die off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about all the teenagers having their limbs blown off right now? Most of you aren't that old, how would you have fai_ed in a war? Not so well I reckon. I'd like to think that most these days would tell the powers that be to stick their war up their ass! Their is no excuse for mass killing. Its just politics, them them fight their own battles."

This... for clarification

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "

Given proper training, of course they could. If it becomes a matter of life or death, it's amazing how it concentrates the mind. Not been in that situation recently, but certainly was in the 1980's, and yes we did win. Kids of all era's have always responded when push comes to shove..............and i think they always will.

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By *rs Myvanwy Scarlet-BlackTV/TS
over a year ago

Darlaston

"They all lack discipline the government has turned them into softies with there softly softly apporch I does not work a strong hand is what they need

Lack discipline? You mean they won't do as they're told by the same people in charge of the current government shambles? "
there's more to discipline than just doing as your told I was a green jacket for 2 years untill I lost the use of an arm discipline forms part of every day life as a soldier from the time u get up to the time u go to bed

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By *wo4FemCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

They'd all be dead within 5 minutes as they'd be too busy on Snapchat to see the enemy sneaking up on them.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Nah, they’d get killed almost soon as. I think the culture has changed too much

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

I hope they wouldn't. Any society that prizes itself on being violent can go fuck itself.

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By *ina_blackTV/TS
over a year ago

newcastle

Not a hope in hell

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Jeez, I'm moving to Switzerland if we have to rely on this lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've no doubt that teenagers drafted into WWI/II were sca_ed young boys who soon became men, I don't see any reason why the same would not happen today "

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I suspect we would, button pressing is a similar motion to pulling a trigger, less personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends on who we are fighting......... todays teenagers may just be able to win a war against some sort of social media app?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't underestimate the teenagers of today. They are not averse to one to one armed .

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

There’s not a chance that the current teenagers would win anything . This is the privileged generation who have no idea what discipline is .

The only way to win a war is for everyone to understand their place , their role , and to do as they are told . So I’ll say no more as that’s certainly not going to happen with what we have in our gene pool now is it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are historically a fighting nation. I think we would all be surprised by the reaction of todays teenagers if called upon. Lets hope they aren't though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There’s not a chance that the current teenagers would win anything . This is the privileged generation who have no idea what discipline is .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really hope our kids are never in that position...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you went to an armistice parade yesterday, did you not seen teens in the army cadets, sea cadets and air cadets? I did. They weren’t looking at their phones and many of them will go into the forces.

There are lots of other teens who would be perfectly capable of fighting in a war if needs be.

The comments here are horrible to read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different. "

You don't win wars or conflicts with automated weapons. That's the same logic that let the Americans down so badly in Vietnam, thinking that their advanced air force and navy would let them win against what they derided as peasant guerilla jungle fighters from North Vietnam.

You still need boots on the ground and the humble infantryman to take ground and hold ground. All the tech in the world won't compensate for having a physical presence in the field way beyond drones and long-ranged rocketry.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

There are still some cracking soldiers coming into the system from the generation born around the turn of the century, although the fact I can still smash the majority of them on the fitness tests at 36 shows that they haven't lived the active life most people my age did as teenagers.

I don't think we could stand against another enemy like the Third Reich in an existential war now though, those of us already in uniform would give the fight of our lives but ultimately I think the rest of the country would roll over rather than rally together. Even as the army was taking increasing losses and foreign troops were preparing to land on our soil most of the British public would see it as someone else's problem rather than take up arms to bolster the defence, it's just how our society is now sadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you went to an armistice parade yesterday, did you not seen teens in the army cadets, sea cadets and air cadets? I did. They weren’t looking at their phones and many of them will go into the forces.

There are lots of other teens who would be perfectly capable of fighting in a war if needs be.

The comments here are horrible to read. "

Thing is though, how many of them were there? Compa_ed to how many like them were NOT there.

Professional armies that are small in size go straight out of the window if we're talking full on WWI/II again in future. That's the point everyone's making here if we're slagging off the "teens of today". They won't stand for conscription, many of them don't even have basic life skills to take care of themselves nor the will to drive themselves or keep personal discipline.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different. "

Trust me they really aren't fought behind computers, you can't take and hold ground with a drone or helicopter, you still need to get rounds down and engage the enemy in close combat. Drones and rockets are useful tools but you still need trained soldiers with the mettle to fight up close.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different.

You seem to have taken this thread really personally.

I didn’t say wars are won, just largely fought behind computers. Nor am I talking about

any past war in particular, I’m talking about a hypothetical conflict in today’s age.

I’m the first to admit I’d be the last person to sign up to the army for service.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Of course they would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different.

You seem to have taken this thread really personally.

I didn’t say wars are won, just largely fought behind computers. Nor am I talking about

any past war in particular, I’m talking about a hypothetical conflict in today’s age.

I’m the first to admit I’d be the last person to sign up to the army for service. "

Sorry if I came off as being really het up on this. I guess you can't really get my mindset out of uniform after all! :X

Wars are not largely fought behind computers. And God forbid that day happens when that comes to pass. It's already dehumanising enough how it is now with war looking like a Nintendo game on a TV screen when a drone pilot takes it on a strike mission halfway around the world. And that's already a very limited mode of waging conflict despite the oversized media coverage.

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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago

London

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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago

London

I do wish sometimes that the government would bring back national service.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

They'd be fine, if leaders acted intelligently and didn't use them as cannon fodder. In emergency situations, people behave differently and pull together - some things don't alter quickly, when we're the product of millions of years of evolution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wish sometimes that the government would bring back national service."

no point ... you're too old chap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’re all looking at this wrong.

Wars are largely fought behind computers now. The more time goes on the more armies use drones and long range weapons.

I’ve had enough practice on call of duty to fly the shit out of an armed, unmanned drone and I’m pretty sure I could punch in coordinates for a long range rocket.

Fighting a war the way the did in 1914? That may be a little different.

You do win wars with Alan Turing up your sleeve though

Brains over brawn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paul Hardcastle - 19

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war

If it was conducted on a games console... yes."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We’re talking about a 100 year difference in military capability...WW1 and WW2 produced grossly horrific numbers of deaths (civilian and military)

Can someone please run the numbers on the total annual number of British Army personnel from 1965 to 2018??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war no they're all a bunch of Pussies

What is your military rank??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thought of teaching the little darlings out there with the attitudes they have how to kill and use weapons is a very scary thought... the army personnel we have now are amazing because they CHOSE to serve... I’m not for National Service x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thought of teaching the little darlings out there with the attitudes they have how to kill and use weapons is a very scary thought... the army personnel we have now are amazing because they CHOSE to serve... I’m not for National Service x"

I’m not for National Service full stop.. the whole teach manners and respect rhetoric is p_edicated on mass behaviour..

If I was 17 again (extremely well educated btw) and forced into service to be verbally abused and forced to have no opinion or right or voice as a result of not holding a ‘rank’ then I wouldn’t last a day.

Not because I’m violent but because I don’t believe in mass indoctrination

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By *layful HarlequinMan
over a year ago

iver heath

If we had to we’re domed domed I say !!!!

Taken to young boys on as apprentices 18 months down the line still coming to me as can’t do up a screw. Always on the phones and can’t understand why uniforms provide need to be used.

Really no life skills or common sense when they hit a problem they just stop and just find us on site.

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By *lay 4 uMan
over a year ago

bolton

Wouldn't want youth of today looking after my back . On the plus side we could get rid of this generation and start again and hopefully learn from the mistakes of this one .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.. the youth of yesterday were no different to now. Yes we have games consoles, phones, social media. But the premise is still the same. They are trained for combat. Regardless of grumping and growning. They will have that beat out of them..

war is war unfortunately..

Thankfully we should never need to be in that kind of position.

A world war now would destroy the whole world, not just a couple of countries, and the human race would eliminated..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes kids are already weapons trained

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By *eanne n AliCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

When it comes to war I hold the belief that the two country's leaders should be put in a ring and made to fight it out to the death. Winner takes all and make it a pay per view event as well. I think we would then find that these ass holes in suits will then think twice about going to war as it's their ass on the line and not the lives of innocent people who are told to kill on command.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now"

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well.....

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Not a hope in hell "

The health and safety paperwork would take that long that it would be all over before it was signed off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "
If it was winding your car window down and throwing rubbish out then yes

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"like the post says, would you think the youths of today could win a war "

Yeah, they'd batter them innit brut, braaap.

In all seriousness YES I do. I think the officers above them would get them into line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you! I’m reading this answers in complete shock!

Weird as! These people want boys to go to war. Psychopaths. Lot of them.

What the hell was Remembrance Sunday about guys???? Mad. And sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not a hope in hell

The health and safety paperwork would take that long that it would be all over before it was signed off.

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lol yes omg you'll kill someone if you pull that

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Wouldn't want youth of today looking after my back . On the plus side we could get rid of this generation and start again and hopefully learn from the mistakes of this one ."

Think you are confusing the youth with their parents.

Well it's their lack of parenting that has created what we have now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wouldn't want youth of today looking after my back . On the plus side we could get rid of this generation and start again and hopefully learn from the mistakes of this one .

Think you are confusing the youth with their parents.

Well it's their lack of parenting that has created what we have now."
It's like everything in life you are judged by your peers a good clout round the ear when you did wrong didn't hurt us and you knew right from wrong now it's your not getting to use your PlayStation or Xbox but it's not followed through, they carry on as they did before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All parents complain about the next generation behaviour

Kids would be a lot less bo_ed if councils stopped taking away activitys same with the economy closing sports clubs due to expence kids are bo_ed to death

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Today's youth are not stupid enough to go and fight a pointless war

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By *DKinkyJenTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

Would love to know how many of those posting on this thread with a negative viewpoint of the youth of today have actually had to serve on the front line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would love to know how many of those posting on this thread with a negative viewpoint of the youth of today have actually had to serve on the front line. "

*high five to that!

I’d be useless. Sorry to have to let people down

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Why are people so down on the youth of today perhaps it’s not them that’s at fault perhaps it’s us a parents That’s at fault

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By *ITJOEMan
over a year ago

London

"Absolutely no chance.

They'd be crying out for safe zones the moment the first bullet flew past their ears.

Are you saying that the servicemen and women who volunteer to "defend our shores" have a superiority complex over single mums living on the bread line trying to get by? I'm sure a lot of "civvies" aren't sleeping as soundly as you suggest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wouldn't want youth of today looking after my back . On the plus side we could get rid of this generation and start again and hopefully learn from the mistakes of this one .

Think you are confusing the youth with their parents.

Well it's their lack of parenting that has created what we have now."

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

Thank you! I’m reading this answers in complete shock!

Weird as! These people want boys to go to war. Psychopaths. Lot of them.

What the hell was Remembrance Sunday about guys???? Mad. And sick "

We all want peace, I'm a soldier and don't particularly want to go to war, but I understand the need for a strong military because there are others out there in the world who aren't friendly to us for a variety of reasons. Look at the way China and Russia have been behaving in the last decade, Russia annexing Crimea and half of Georgia, China claiming islands that belong to Japan and occupying parts of Africa for resources, there's always flashpoints that could trigger a wider conflict...

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over a year ago

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By *arnsley guy100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

It's would be a shambles..... Time be spent taking selfies on the battlefield and updating Facebook.

Could just see them in the trenches updating their phones and complaining their boots are crap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What age are the kids that join the armed forces now?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If they aren't allowed to discipline for fear of upsetting the cherubs, how would they react if the enermy fi_ed a gun in their direction

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By *ITJOEMan
over a year ago

London

Thank you! I’m reading this answers in complete shock!

Weird as! These people want boys to go to war. Psychopaths. Lot of them.

What the hell was Remembrance Sunday about guys???? Mad. And sick

I'm definitely not condoning any of those acts but how are they any different from the many similar and in some cases worse acts committed by us as a nation in the past?

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

Most would say can because my religion. And then are there charge point for our phones. Most young nowadays ar pampe_ed and don’t live in the real world.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Im sure they would. ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not good, I'm too old. But I did ok in the falklands.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Most would say can because my religion. And then are there charge point for our phones. Most young nowadays ar pampe_ed and don’t live in the real world.

They do live in the real world, there isn't another imaginary one.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Don't think there's the same patriotic fervor like there was prior to WWI & WWII so, no."

Thankfully it’s not so easy to fool and to mislead people these days. TV is great deterrent to war. Remember that reporting in WW1 would refer to ‘light casualties ‘ when thousands had been killed for a few yards of land.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They would have to leave their rooms and step out into daylight

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"It's would be a shambles..... Time be spent taking selfies on the battlefield and updating Facebook.

Could just see them in the trenches updating their phones and complaining their boots are crap"

Phones get taken off them in theatre, aside from the risk of all their personal information and family contact details falling into enemy hands in the event of capture, phones also give off GPS signal showing exactly where you are (yes even when you think you've turned off GPS). A load of GPS signals bunched together in the middle of nowhere would give away all our positions

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

"Wouldn't want youth of today looking after my back . On the plus side we could get rid of this generation and start again and hopefully learn from the mistakes of this one ."

That sounds a bit too close to a form of eugenics.

It’s about context. Those in WW1 fought for what they believed in. They felt (admittedly a lot through propaganda) that their way of life as it stood, was threatened.

There is no reason why those today, if faced with an attack on their ability to be free enough to do all the (‘malingerer activity’ people have mentioned) would not want to fiercely protect that.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I have to smile at the huge disrespect shown by a group of people towards a generation they would probably claim have no respect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess it would depend on the training

"Your TRAINING?! Your TRAINING is NOTHING. The WILL!! TO ACT!!! IS EVERYTHING!!!"

-Ra's Al Ghul, Batman Begins. "

"Victory usually goes to the army who has better trained officers and men."

Sun Tzu

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

No one wins in war except the bankers and arm dealers ...and if you look , they're usually the ones stirring shit up in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well....."

Well there has been unprecedented peace since..the p_edecessor to the EU was setup to ensure that etc...etc...so what's your point?

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

The ones I work with are the ones I'd want in my corner without a shadow of doubt.

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS
over a year ago

North west

"I guess it would depend on the training

"Your TRAINING?! Your TRAINING is NOTHING. The WILL!! TO ACT!!! IS EVERYTHING!!!"

-Ra's Al Ghul, Batman Begins.

"Victory usually goes to the army who has better trained officers and men."

Sun Tzu"

Unless dey a proper 1337 clan bro wiv mad skillz innit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Majority of the teens yes I reckon they'd put up a fucking good fight. The others probably not. They would be stealing the ammunition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got potentially some of the best drone pilots on the planet.

Just use graphics to make the tally an hajji look like fortnite characters so the lil snowflakes don’t cry too much.

Sarcasm aside, people are still volunteering for military careers despite news footage and intimate and graphic details of the potential for loosing limbs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to smile at the huge disrespect shown by a group of people towards a generation they would probably claim have no respect

I've some concerns/annoyances about the coming generations but on seeing the level of unthinking, clichéd ignorance towards them here I'm going to turn that around completely and be optimistic.

The generations above are no better. All stupid humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well.....

Well there has been unprecedented peace since..the p_edecessor to the EU was setup to ensure that etc...etc...so what's your point? "

NOT THAT CHESTNUT AGAIN.

The EU didn't guarantee peace in Europe. Bloody NATO did that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess it would depend on the training

"Your TRAINING?! Your TRAINING is NOTHING. The WILL!! TO ACT!!! IS EVERYTHING!!!"

-Ra's Al Ghul, Batman Begins.

"Victory usually goes to the army who has better trained officers and men."

Sun Tzu"

So why did the US Army get fought to a standstill by insurgents in the Afghan mountains with only a fraction of their training?

Training is nothing if you don't have the motivation to go that extra mile in the field for your cause and for victory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think too many people on here don’t really take an interest in what is going on around them and can’t see the wood for the trees.

My grandkids run around all day with NERF guns fighting battle after battle everyday. They do have XBOX’s, iPads, Nintendo Switch etc but their favourites are still the NERF guns.

My 6 yr old can argue his point across with teenagers re:- battle plans etc.

I see teenagers and young men in their 20’s every weekend fighting in the streets, instead of trying to stab each other channel that anger against an oppressive force and they WILL come out fighting.

Today’s generation is no different from any other before it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the first world war the striking comment for me was that the average recruit put on a stone in weight and got fit in basic training.

What they are actually saying is the average teenager in 1913 was malnourished. It was also for many the first time they owned new clothes and decent shoes.

I don't think facebook in 1910 would have rated teenagers capable of fighting a war either.

It would be nice to live in a world where trained human killer was not an occupation, but it wont happen, and no matter how much you disparrage youth, they will be the first to kill or die if needed.

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By *ere2partyMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

With all the knife and gun crime going on I’d say they’d be ready for it. With the help of consoles they probably know more about war than they did back in world war 1.

Cavemen probably said the same about younger generations after the dinosaurs were wiped out lol

Not taking anything away from the war vets but we live in different times now, and it’s an unfair comparison imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well.....

Well there has been unprecedented peace since..the p_edecessor to the EU was setup to ensure that etc...etc...so what's your point?

NOT THAT CHESTNUT AGAIN.

The EU didn't guarantee peace in Europe. Bloody NATO did that! "

Either way...there was a concerted effort to coordinate and manufacture peace in the wake of massive widespread violence. It has worked!

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By *ere2partyMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I guess it would depend on the training

"Your TRAINING?! Your TRAINING is NOTHING. The WILL!! TO ACT!!! IS EVERYTHING!!!"

-Ra's Al Ghul, Batman Begins.

"Victory usually goes to the army who has better trained officers and men."

Sun Tzu

So why did the US Army get fought to a standstill by insurgents in the Afghan mountains with only a fraction of their training?

Training is nothing if you don't have the motivation to go that extra mile in the field for your cause and for victory. "

I’d say the terrain played a big part

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well.....

Well there has been unprecedented peace since..the p_edecessor to the EU was setup to ensure that etc...etc...so what's your point?

NOT THAT CHESTNUT AGAIN.

The EU didn't guarantee peace in Europe. Bloody NATO did that!

Either way...there was a concerted effort to coordinate and manufacture peace in the wake of massive widespread violence. It has worked!"

A coordinated effort for the better part of 46 out of the past 73 years since WWII ended to maintain peace in one half of Europe with heavy American military and nuclear presences, against another half of Europe under the heel of the Soviet boots. All "guaranteed" at the point of a gun.

There's precious little actual "peace luvvie" about peace in Europe after WWII. Not to mention that such peace after WWII was also because Europe was a broken continent by the time everything was over and successive generations have utterly lost the will and stomach for conflict or to fight even to defend what's rightly theirs. Instead of rampant militarism you get rampant pacifism. Worked well when someone was footing your defense bill and holding a nuclear umbrella over your heads. But now? That's not gonna be the case forever is it?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

NOT THAT CHESTNUT AGAIN.

The EU didn't guarantee peace in Europe. Bloody NATO did that! "

The purpose of NATO was to resist the spread of communism. It was not set up to prevent war in Europe, but to wage war in the event of the Cold War turning hot.

The forerunner of the EU was very much about finding a way, through economic integration of steel and coal production, to bind countries, notably France, Germany and Italy, in common cause so they would no longer fight over each other’s resources.

By creating common economic interests, peace has survived in Europe. NATO is, and always was, about external threats to that peace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like we are glorifying war folks.

Just when I thought "shaming" was reaching fever peak, we're going back to the classics. Bring out your white feathers!!

The good news is that the world is growing increasingly peaceful despite what the news + availability heuristic makes you think.

Reference: Steven Pinker - Enlightenment Now

You know people thought the same after WW1 though right? "The war to end all wars" they said. Worked out well.....

Well there has been unprecedented peace since..the p_edecessor to the EU was setup to ensure that etc...etc...so what's your point?

NOT THAT CHESTNUT AGAIN.

The EU didn't guarantee peace in Europe. Bloody NATO did that!

Either way...there was a concerted effort to coordinate and manufacture peace in the wake of massive widespread violence. It has worked!

Aside from your incomprehensible ranting and raving, statistically the world is much much more peaceful.

I think that's at risk now with this turning point in time to echo chambers and ideological cul de sacs but let's see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Such doubters in here and disrespect for the young, man history repeats itself alright, just like World War 1 where the older generals just saw the youth as Canon fodder for their battles but were never on the front lines themselves.

Today's politics isn't really worth fighting for, can you imagine May declaring war over some bs after fucking over the younger generation and then asking them to fight for their country? Gtfo here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've heard two recruitment adverts on the radio recently - one where a male "soldier" reassures the listener that fellow soldiers will get a "cracking hug" when upset, and another where they reassure a female "recruit" that she won't have to get her hair cut too much. And these are adverts aimed at recruiting soldiers. I'm highly dubious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We got potentially some of the best drone pilots on the planet.

Just use graphics to make the tally an hajji look like fortnite characters so the lil snowflakes don’t cry too much.

Sarcasm aside, people are still volunteering for military careers despite news footage and intimate and graphic details of the potential for loosing limbs "

Also sarcasm aside...that's one of the reasons drones are so effective.

It eases the human guilt of pulling the trigger, it's detached.

Great world we live in. Designing our military technology to override the sh_ed of humanity in each of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder how many of the 30 40 plus year olds that are saying the kids are too sca_ed would dare go on the streets at night where the kids run wild.

I reckon they wouldn't

Who is sca_ed now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of the 30 40 plus year olds that are saying the kids are too sca_ed would dare go on the streets at night where the kids run wild.

I reckon they wouldn't

Who is sca_ed now? "

A 30/40 year old not going on the streets at night where the kids run wild isn't sca_ed, just sensible.

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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"Wonder how many of the 30 40 plus year olds that are saying the kids are too sca_ed would dare go on the streets at night where the kids run wild.

I reckon they wouldn't

Who is sca_ed now?

A 30/40 year old not going on the streets at night where the kids run wild isn't sca_ed, just sensible.

Try living where I do in Liverpool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of the 30 40 plus year olds that are saying the kids are too sca_ed would dare go on the streets at night where the kids run wild.

I reckon they wouldn't

Who is sca_ed now?

A 30/40 year old not going on the streets at night where the kids run wild isn't sca_ed, just sensible.

Just like a 17-19 year old not going to be cannon fodder is sensible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wonder how many of the 30 40 plus year olds that are saying the kids are too sca_ed would dare go on the streets at night where the kids run wild.

I reckon they wouldn't

Who is sca_ed now?

A 30/40 year old not going on the streets at night where the kids run wild isn't sca_ed, just sensible.

Just like a 17-19 year old not going to be cannon fodder is sensible. "

I don't think they use cannons anymore

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

The fact that countries like Lithuania on the eastern borders of Europe have brought back conscription through fear of renewed Russian aggression should be of concern, as well as the current ongoing major NATO exercise in Norway....(it's in the news, it's nothing secret)

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

Kids today need to be taught that they won’t respawn in a genuine war zone nor have Killstreaks and that K/D Ratios are somewhat less forgiving in reality....

Also, as inconvenient as it may be, Snapchatting/Facebooking/Tweeting etc etc may prove somewhat difficult whilst being shot at.....

(Yes, this post was in jest for any noetically insalubrious individuals reading)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think we’d win if we conscripted you Xavier? You’ve lived your life - why don’t you older people fight instead of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think we’d win if we conscripted you Xavier? You’ve lived your life - why don’t you older people fight instead of them "
no he wouls be too busy being balls deep in a 99yr old

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Depends what war. Today’s war is not like www1/2 where you used to fight now it centers on bombs with a small amount of shooting.

I am sure most of today’s hard men are king of there hood but would cry there eyes out at real fighting.

Sad fact is we are still fighting a war somewhere.

Yes some kind of call up and training to the small amount of stupid kids we have in this country is a good idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading through this thread has just made me really sad as to how some view the younger generations these days

There are lots of well rounded, hard working, conscientious young people out there. My two kids for starters and lots of their friends.

Don't tar them all with the same brush.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading through this thread has just made me really sad as to how some view the younger generations these days

There are lots of well rounded, hard working, conscientious young people out there. My two kids for starters and lots of their friends.

Don't tar them all with the same brush.

Agreed

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

If it was only fought online, was controlled by an app and the weapons were from fortnight just maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading through this thread has just made me really sad as to how some view the younger generations these days

There are lots of well rounded, hard working, conscientious young people out there. My two kids for starters and lots of their friends.

Don't tar them all with the same brush.

Everybody's own kids are wonderful - it's just everybody else's that are the problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes as wars are won with drones now kids are ace at gaming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading through this thread has just made me really sad as to how some view the younger generations these days

There are lots of well rounded, hard working, conscientious young people out there. My two kids for starters and lots of their friends.

Don't tar them all with the same brush.

Everybody's own kids are wonderful - it's just everybody else's that are the problem

You have completely missed my point. My kids have there faults like everyone else and have made mistakes.

There has been good and bad in every generation. Doesn't make this younger generation any worse or better than ones that have gone before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well someone’s passing P coy, the commando course, infantry training, joining SRR, hammering down the recruiting office doors to join traded rolls, navy, raf and showing up on the doorstep at reserve centres with big grins.

So some 16 - 28 year olds are up for it.

And unlike when I wande_ed in off the street, when the first gulf was over, and ‘all’ the army were doing was NI and a spot of UN peace keeping, anyone joining can look at vast amounts of documentary, helmet cam footage and old news articles.

But they can’t be that snowflakey if they are joining and passing.

And just because the military are recruiting from commonwealth countries again (this isn’t new, it’s been done before)

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By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

An interesting question that doesn't get to our real problems.

As the old saying goes, if you want peace prepare for war..

Do we think the youth of today would fight well if conscripted? Who knows. But, would we have time to conscript if WW3 broke out? No.

Have our successive politicians of either party prepa_ed for war to ensure peace, or have they continually cut personnel levels and bases so we couldn't survive an initial attack by a modern power. No.

Have the government put our service personnel at increased risk by leaving combat troops in the front line for extended periods and not rested them properly between deployments? Risk of both physical harm and mental health. Yes.

To quote a famous old soldier, Private Frasier.. ' We're doomed, we're all doomed'

However, I have always been proud of what our volunteer armed services do for us, in spite of the way the politicians DONT look out for them. Thank you all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The British army is one of the best training in the world.. doesn't matter on the youth they will be wiped into shape

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By *rs Myvanwy Scarlet-BlackTV/TS
over a year ago

Darlaston

"The British army is one of the best training in the world.. doesn't matter on the youth they will be wiped into shape "

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Lets not have any more wars, nor consider how we would fare in one. I’m not a pacifist, but it is only 13/11 for heaven’s sake - didn’t 11/11 teach people anything!?

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

Not a lot of difference to 1914 kids in reality younger men can be manipulated bullied/trained what ever you call it into putting their life's at risk. Maybe even more so as mind manipulation of the modern youth is more sophisticated than ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely no chance.

They'd be crying out for safe zones the moment the first bullet flew past their ears.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Not a lot of difference to 1914 kids in reality younger men can be manipulated bullied/trained what ever you call it into putting their life's at risk. Maybe even more so as mind manipulation of the modern youth is more sophisticated than ever. "

That's a very good point. When you look at the relatively unsophisticated propaganda that took place during the first two world wars and how easily people jump on social media bandwagons I don't think it would take more than a week to have people queuing to do their "duty".

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

Its pretty clear there is propaganda out there call of duty is just one big recruiting game, the jihadi movement is recruiting youths successfully for the other side people who think the youth of today can't be manipulated as the youth of the past seriously need their bumps checking

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

People who think they're not being manipulated should have a good look round too.

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By *rankyJAYMan
over a year ago

jarrow

Go to any town or city and go to a council estate. Here you will find the soldiers that the war needs.

Football hooligans. Right wing people and asbo folk.

Everyone condems this class of people but I bet they'd be first to stand up if anyone invaded our soil

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets not have any more wars, nor consider how we would fare in one. I’m not a pacifist, but it is only 13/11 for heaven’s sake - didn’t 11/11 teach people anything!?

Yeah it glorified the whole thing

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

People who think they're not being manipulated should have a good look round too."

We are all manipulated to some extent if we wern't suitable to it billions wouldn't be spent on marketing and advertising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well going by all the responses we've had on here, time to kill the thread by saying...

Let's hope we never have to find out what is yet a theoretical question in real life.

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton

We will have to find out at some point though there will be many wars to come history has a habit of repeating.

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