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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It’s reminds me of an Orwellian future-past.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It’s reminds me of an Orwellian future-past. "

What worries me is that it's going to become the fashionable 'go to' response that will ultimately impact freedom of expression and debate. It seems to me that in this modern society no matter what you say, someone, somewhere, will take offence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

"

The current definition is pretty good I'd say:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime

Like any law there'll be fuzz here and there, but I spend my entire professional life having to be expressive across a range of behaviours, and have never fallen foul of it. Not too tricky.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i believe "hate crime" is derived from the "protected characteristics" set out in the Equality Act 2010.

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

"

It should be down to common sense and respect for others but society doesn't promote these these days. I don't think we should really need laws to tell people how to act or behave they should already know this.

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

In terms of anything said, there is no such thing -these things are already covered by the existing laws -everything else is just a matter of opinion. Spoken / written words that are either untrue, vexacious or misleading are covered under libel/ slander laws. Physical actions that cause harm to others or their property are plain assault /theft or vandalism -some may argue that there is a legal definition but that is just a matter of interpretation/ context.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't think calling the 'victims' snowflakes helps much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In terms of anything said, there is no such thing -these things are already covered by the existing laws -everything else is just a matter of opinion. Spoken / written words that are either untrue, vexacious or misleading are covered under libel/ slander laws. Physical actions that cause harm to others or their property are plain assault /theft or vandalism -some may argue that there is a legal definition but that is just a matter of interpretation/ context."

Not really. I'd refer to Paul Butler here, to fill in the gaps as to why they're necessary on their own merit, as he does a better job than I could.

https://www.npr.org/2012/04/10/150351860/are-hate-crime-laws-necessary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think calling the 'victims' snowflakes helps much."

I concur...making such remarks suggests that every one who doesn't agree is just some whining individual with no real cause for complaint.

And there are specific hate crimes by definition...racially aggravated etc.

Committing crimes is bad enough, but committing them because you dislike someone on a basis of colour, gender, sexuality etc suggests you're a bit unbalanced and pose a threat to society?

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"In terms of anything said, there is no such thing -these things are already covered by the existing laws -everything else is just a matter of opinion. Spoken / written words that are either untrue, vexacious or misleading are covered under libel/ slander laws. Physical actions that cause harm to others or their property are plain assault /theft or vandalism -some may argue that there is a legal definition but that is just a matter of interpretation/ context.

Not really. I'd refer to Paul Butler here, to fill in the gaps as to why they're necessary on their own merit, as he does a better job than I could.

https://www.npr.org/2012/04/10/150351860/are-hate-crime-laws-necessary"

These laws already exist -calling it hate crime is just that -a redundant label.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...calling it hate crime is just that -a redundant label."

No it isn't, for the reasons outlined in the transcript. Can't really boil it down any more than that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Common sense is a major factor in this and a lot of what you read about in the news doesn’t factor common sense into it , before any one has a go , I do not condone bullying in any form , and I personally think hate crime is wrapped under the bullying headline

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I see hate crime as being fairly well defined, although disliked in some circles - usually those who want to say and do whatever they fancy to anyone, without consideration for others' wellbeing.

We have freedoms, including freedom of expression, though these also come with consequences - this is part of being a responsible citizen, living in a society/world that we share with other life, including people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't think calling the 'victims' snowflakes helps much."

I'm not calling victims snowflakes at all, i'm not quite sure how you come to that conclusion.

The snowflake reference was against those that take offence at the most trivial comment.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

It should be down to common sense and respect for others but society doesn't promote these these days. I don't think we should really need laws to tell people how to act or behave they should already know this. "

There is where it all falls down, common sense is over rated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i wonder in your local area what percent of the police service deals with hate crime compared to other reported crime.

where resources are tight it would be interesting to see how much of police time is devoted to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i wonder in your local area what percent of the police service deals with hate crime compared to other reported crime.

where resources are tight it would be interesting to see how much of police time is devoted to it."

It's not dealt with any differently, it's just recorded as such?

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

Think of it from the role of a parent. Would you allow a bully to continue to bully your child or would you step in and make sure that the school and parents were made aware of the situation and expect something to be done about it? Would you say the bully was just expressing themself or that their behaviour was not acceptable??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s reminds me of an Orwellian future-past. "

Agree

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

"
These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state. "

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? "
No we should be more like America

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve been queer bashed in the past, but it descended into a brawl as lots of the patrons at the place I was outside joined in.

Later it turned out having been on the receiving end of a damned good thrashing off a bunch of proofs, sissies and queens, the attackers tried to report it as a racist attack on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America "

Have you lived in the USA?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America

Have you lived in the USA?"
No been several times, their freedom of speech gives immunity and power to the people. It can't be controlled by the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America

Have you lived in the USA? No been several times, their freedom of speech gives immunity and power to the people. It can't be controlled by the government."

You believe the UK government suppresses your freedom of speech?

I think that's sad given how hard it's been fought for, and how everyday people work hard to maintain it.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America

Have you lived in the USA? No been several times, their freedom of speech gives immunity and power to the people. It can't be controlled by the government.

You believe the UK government suppresses your freedom of speech?

I think that's sad given how hard it's been fought for, and how everyday people work hard to maintain it."
Not me myself but examples of it like the Nazi dog etc. Who knows what legislation will be coming in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America

Have you lived in the USA? No been several times, their freedom of speech gives immunity and power to the people. It can't be controlled by the government.

You believe the UK government suppresses your freedom of speech?

I think that's sad given how hard it's been fought for, and how everyday people work hard to maintain it. Not me myself but examples of it like the Nazi dog etc. Who knows what legislation will be coming in the future. "

Most of its spun by media stories. If you hadn't read it, you'd know no different and I'm pretty sure none of us are truly affected on a daily basis by such stories, if we stop and think?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"I've seen some pretty appalling examples of what clearly is a hate crime and also some that aren't though some people have tried to brand them as such. I think we need a clearer definition of what actually constitutes a hate crime.

So what's your view on the term? Do you see it as necessary to protect the vulnerable or do you think the snowflakes will jump on it as a means of stifling all forms of expression?

These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

Are you a snowflake for not liking what they say? No we should be more like America

Have you lived in the USA? No been several times, their freedom of speech gives immunity and power to the people. It can't be controlled by the government.

You believe the UK government suppresses your freedom of speech?

I think that's sad given how hard it's been fought for, and how everyday people work hard to maintain it. Not me myself but examples of it like the Nazi dog etc. Who knows what legislation will be coming in the future.

Most of its spun by media stories. If you hadn't read it, you'd know no different and I'm pretty sure none of us are truly affected on a daily basis by such stories, if we stop and think? "
it's not setting a good precedent though.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I guess someone being persecuted/ assaulted/ killed for their religious beliefs or sexual orientation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state. "

In America yesterday, the Press Secretary of the Whitehouse shared a doctored video to claim a series of events that didn't happen as live, and banned a journalist from future reporting.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18074966/sarah-sanders-infowars-cnn-jim-acosta-banned

If you're worried about a totalitarian state, maybe that's the place to focus your attention.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

In America yesterday, the Press Secretary of the Whitehouse shared a doctored video to claim a series of events that didn't happen as live, and banned a journalist from future reporting.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18074966/sarah-sanders-infowars-cnn-jim-acosta-banned

If you're worried about a totalitarian state, maybe that's the place to focus your attention."

Hey if it works for the middle East, who are we to judge?

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral


"These snowflakes want to turn us into a totalitarian state.

In America yesterday, the Press Secretary of the Whitehouse shared a doctored video to claim a series of events that didn't happen as live, and banned a journalist from future reporting.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18074966/sarah-sanders-infowars-cnn-jim-acosta-banned

If you're worried about a totalitarian state, maybe that's the place to focus your attention."
I watched the press conference Acosta was out of line in my opinion.

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