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"I am not required to hold a door open for others.. but I do A caravan owner would say thank you.. A horse box owner would say nothing " Is your journey more important than theirs? | |||
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" I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves " They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. | |||
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"If only they would do 50" Even if its not safe? Just so it doesn't slow you down? You don't sound like a very safe driver | |||
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !" Do you ride a pushbike? | |||
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" I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. " Typo 60 on a motorway | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. " There's no legal requirement to pull over. | |||
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"Or to hold a door open for others.. but it's polite x" But if someone expected it of you, that's not polite. | |||
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" Gets my goat !" No, no. It gets your horse, friend. If it got your goat it would be called a goat box. Horses go in a horse box, goats go in a curry. | |||
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"Or to hold a door open for others.. but it's polite x But if someone expected it of you, that's not polite. " My parents would have expected me to hold a door open for others.. it's being polite | |||
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"If it's taxed insured and mot'd then the world is there oyster . " Where oyster? | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. " Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. | |||
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" I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. Typo 60 on a motorway " 60 on a motorway, 60 on a dual carriageway with a central reservation, 50 on a dual carriageway with no central reservation, but only if national speed limit applies. | |||
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"Or to hold a door open for others.. but it's polite x But if someone expected it of you, that's not polite. My parents would have expected me to hold a door open for others.. it's being polite " But it isn't a requirement. Being rude is not a crime. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. " By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere" Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. " The Norfolk edition of the Highway Code clearly specifies that a car driver comes after tractors, horse boxes and foreign 4x4s in thel list of priorities on the county's roads. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. " Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. " I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc. To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish. I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc. To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish. I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours. " Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger. | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc. To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish. I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours. " In Your Opinion. The law says different however. If they are driving legally, they would pull over to let emergency vehicles pass. People are so impatient these days. Look at how many minutes extra it puts on your journey in real terms- 5 minutes? 10? Surely a courteous person (like the OP for example, who's parents taught him to hold doors open for others) would naturally build extra time into any journey because it would be impolite to be late, no? | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc. To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish. I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours. Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger. " Have you considered calling the vet out? Surely that would kinder for the horse instead of trying to get a sick and distressed animal into a horsebox? | |||
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"Seriously!! I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves I've seen a very large speedboat up on the grass embankment of a motorway, facing the wrong way with a driver scratching his head....good job it was up the embankment and not across the lanes on the motorway! Obviously driving too fast I've also seen a twunt driving a horsebox and the horse was all over the place it couldn't stand up properly because of the crap driver....i bet the horse is traumatised! I'd rather them do the limit that is safe. Why should they pull over? Why can't you be patient? " I have a large 4x4 I used to own a caravan I do in excess of 40’000 miles a year One thing a lot of caravan owners ignore the limitation of pulling kerb weights against the weight of the caravan, my caravan was 1350 kgs and I wouldn’t attemp to tow that without a vehicle being around 1800 kgs, I see a lot of larger caravans being towed by medium sized cars, it’s extreely dangerous and you can be prosecuted for this too!! | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. There's no legal requirement to pull over. Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past. If they don't, they're just being selfish. By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined. Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate. Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc. To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish. I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours. Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger. Have you considered calling the vet out? Surely that would kinder for the horse instead of trying to get a sick and distressed animal into a horsebox?" I think the pwrson was talking Hypothetically. However, in the interests of education, a horse with colic being travelled would probably have already seen a vet and the vet might need to operate, and that would be why the horse was travelling. Operating theatres for horses are few and far between. | |||
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" I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. Typo 60 on a motorway 60 on a motorway, 60 on a dual carriageway with a central reservation, 50 on a dual carriageway with no central reservation, but only if national speed limit applies. " is the reservation the place the Indians love with there horses | |||
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"Rule 169:“Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.“Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.” Failure to pull over when there is a long queue of traffic behind can constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving, which can be punished with three to nine points on a driver’s licence and a fine of up to £5,000." Devine slow moving vehicle please most horseboxes will be travelling above 30 miles per hour . There is no set minimum speed limit and as most roads in urban areas are now setting a 50 mph limit what would you really gain on a average 10 mile commuter drive . Possibly a minute. | |||
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"I wo see how many moaners on this forum drive a Audi or a bmw 3 series " | |||
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"Rule 169:“Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.“Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.” Failure to pull over when there is a long queue of traffic behind can constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving, which can be punished with three to nine points on a driver’s licence and a fine of up to £5,000." yeah if you're plodding along at 10 mph with a tractor probably. Entirely different if you are doing the speed limit or driving to the road conditions. I've pulled horse boxes up and down the country and believe me there isn't a lot of areas on A and B roads where you have enough space to slow down and pull in to allow people past and then get up to speed to pull out safely. Any idea how much space you need to slow down from 50mph with nearly a ton weight at the back of you? | |||
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"Horse boxes have livestock in them and can not brake suddenly and need to drive with care. Other road users should be mindful of this and be patient, we all have a right to use the public highways and should do so safely!" That's the issue . Other road users have either never driven a lorry or a large vehicle and wrongly assume that it's like driving a car | |||
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"Horse boxes have livestock in them and can not brake suddenly and need to drive with care. Other road users should be mindful of this and be patient, we all have a right to use the public highways and should do so safely! That's the issue . Other road users have either never driven a lorry or a large vehicle and wrongly assume that it's like driving a car " totally agree I've driven trucks as well for work and tractors and every one has its own difficulties | |||
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !" Why do you have a goat in the car? | |||
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"If I’m towing a trailer then I am focused on what the horse is doing and what the cars in front are doing (stopping distances), usually drive the speed limit unless there is a reason not to (road conditions, traffic, horse when cornering etc). I don’t see why I should pull over, cars behind can judge and overtake if they feel it’s safe, it’s not my job to drive for them too - it’s upto me to manage my own vehicle and trailer and make sure I’m driving safely. People in a rush should be leaving earlier, like I had to when factoring in a longer journey towing a trailer " | |||
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. " I bet your one of them moaning drivers that get stuck behind my lorry at 7mph when I am pulling 550ton load on it. In my old job serving queen and country drivers would moan at us closing a road off to deal with a bomb. Everyone is in to much of a rush theses days that’s why there are so meny accidents people rushing about. | |||
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society. We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers." Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! | |||
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society. We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers. Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! " Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic? | |||
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society. We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers. Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic?" No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks. | |||
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !" Easy tiger I drive a horse box and I’m totally respectful although we get the less impatient people that pull out of junctions etc just to beat the Horsebox as they are totally more important of course on the roads and can also cause injury from sudden braking to the horse travelling which can impact how it travels the nevt time ! Food for thought peeps xx | |||
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society. We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers. Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic? No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks." Well that is extreme -parking your car on top of their's an all -what you got against estates anyway? | |||
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society. We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers. Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic? No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks. Well that is extreme -parking your car on top of their's an all -what you got against estates anyway?" | |||
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