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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria

Male and females should both be equal, one gender isnt more "superior" than the other! But isn't it going a bit far with certain things? Like the "man size tissues" or the "green man" the "ginger bread man"?. For god knows how many years that's what we've been brought up with. I don't mean to piss anyone off i apologize if i have just wanted a healthy debate not to offend anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far". "

What areas matters?

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

What ever you do someone will take offense to it.

Just look at the Sophie hagen tweet about cancer research uk campaign, to which she found offensive and fat shaming.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far". "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

"

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

"

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does. "

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......"

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

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By *vcarolTV/TS
over a year ago

kilmarnockish

Be both, then be chastised by both sexes.

There’s not a name I’ve not been called over the years, still here, still in a way proud.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

"

Men can receive them too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate "

Yeah but those qualifications and experiences are often easier for a man to obtain. Women are still expected to stay home and look after the kids, they are overlooked for roles in a male environment, they are judged on their age and marital status. The fact that we need anti discrimination laws says a lot I think.

And yeah the pay gap debate doesn't compare like for like because that's too simplistic a view. It's not about 2 people doing the same job (although there are differences in those at times but we won't get into that!) but again it's about the opportunities people have and the expected route people take.

The classic example is council workers-a refuse collector earns more than a carer. One is a predominantly male role and the other female. Both are manual jobs, they both carry the same risks with manual handling and risk of infection yet the male is paid more.

I agree men do get sexually harassed too but it's not a case of oh it happens to us too so it doesn't matter. It's a good thing that society is changing it's views and that more people are being open about abuse but it doesn't change the fact that it's more likely to happen to a women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too? "

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?"

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?"

You’ve just automatically assumed the woman is going to keep the kids based on nothing other than the fact she’s a woman. They’re you’re kids too....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Yeah but those qualifications and experiences are often easier for a man to obtain. Women are still expected to stay home and look after the kids, they are overlooked for roles in a male environment, they are judged on their age and marital status. The fact that we need anti discrimination laws says a lot I think.

And yeah the pay gap debate doesn't compare like for like because that's too simplistic a view. It's not about 2 people doing the same job (although there are differences in those at times but we won't get into that!) but again it's about the opportunities people have and the expected route people take.

The classic example is council workers-a refuse collector earns more than a carer. One is a predominantly male role and the other female. Both are manual jobs, they both carry the same risks with manual handling and risk of infection yet the male is paid more.

I agree men do get sexually harassed too but it's not a case of oh it happens to us too so it doesn't matter. It's a good thing that society is changing it's views and that more people are being open about abuse but it doesn't change the fact that it's more likely to happen to a women. "

I think any millennials and generation X that take that viewpoint are just a bit dim to be honest. Even most boomers have seen sense when it comes to old school women stereotypes. I still do see it though where the man and woman both work but the woman still does everything at home, it’s bonkers.

We are waiting for the old guard to die out in a sense. That’s why more and more women get high paid and prestigious jobs now. Not because there’s been a sudden shift in mindset (although there is some box ticking) but the trailblazers are growing up and getting what they rightfully deserve.

Certain demographics will always be wrongly persecuted though, whether it be gender, race, age, appearance but I think on a whole we’re not in terrible shape. The majority is about education and not falling for mob mentality! I did not to be expecting to think this much at 5am

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

No its about time we had ginger bread women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them? "

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

You’ve just automatically assumed the woman is going to keep the kids based on nothing other than the fact she’s a woman. They’re you’re kids too...."

In America unless you can prove the mother is a drug addict or criminal.... They children will always stay with the mother.

But as a Father I would take the children but wouldn’t expect a dime from my ex wife.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Yeah but those qualifications and experiences are often easier for a man to obtain. Women are still expected to stay home and look after the kids, they are overlooked for roles in a male environment, they are judged on their age and marital status. The fact that we need anti discrimination laws says a lot I think.

And yeah the pay gap debate doesn't compare like for like because that's too simplistic a view. It's not about 2 people doing the same job (although there are differences in those at times but we won't get into that!) but again it's about the opportunities people have and the expected route people take.

The classic example is council workers-a refuse collector earns more than a carer. One is a predominantly male role and the other female. Both are manual jobs, they both carry the same risks with manual handling and risk of infection yet the male is paid more.

I agree men do get sexually harassed too but it's not a case of oh it happens to us too so it doesn't matter. It's a good thing that society is changing it's views and that more people are being open about abuse but it doesn't change the fact that it's more likely to happen to a women.

I think any millennials and generation X that take that viewpoint are just a bit dim to be honest. Even most boomers have seen sense when it comes to old school women stereotypes. I still do see it though where the man and woman both work but the woman still does everything at home, it’s bonkers.

We are waiting for the old guard to die out in a sense. That’s why more and more women get high paid and prestigious jobs now. Not because there’s been a sudden shift in mindset (although there is some box ticking) but the trailblazers are growing up and getting what they rightfully deserve.

Certain demographics will always be wrongly persecuted though, whether it be gender, race, age, appearance but I think on a whole we’re not in terrible shape. The majority is about education and not falling for mob mentality! I did not to be expecting to think this much at 5am "

The thing is though women are the child bearers. There's no changing that. So we do have to take time off work, it does affect performance and it can affect our employers business. But if we didn't have babies we'd have no future as a species.

Men and women are different but we shouldn't be at a disadvantage because of it. And yeah there are so many other types of discrimination but I'm glad we are becoming more aware as a society and attitudes are slowly shifting.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

You’ve just automatically assumed the woman is going to keep the kids based on nothing other than the fact she’s a woman. They’re you’re kids too...."

Maybe both parents but 9/10 stay with the mother, unless incapable of looking after the child. In my case for instance, my son was living with me with his mother in our home. We split she kept the house so he has somewhere live. Plus how many mothers do you know that will just hand their children over? Apart from irresponsible parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

"

Do the children live with me full time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women over here live a life of luxury!! In Saudi they are just now allowed to watch a movie love you all really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time? "

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner


"How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?"

Not all do, and there are plenty of men getting mine from their ex wives for one reason or another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Not all do, and there are plenty of men getting mine from their ex wives for one reason or another."

Yes you’re correct.... but these men you speak of are very rare. The only two I can think of are Brittney Spares ex husband, and Halle Berry’s baby father....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer..."

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children. "

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

"

If you think about it, you ain't doing it for the mother You're paying for maintenance so your children can have a safe home. I was laying my sons mothers electric and gas bill so he can stay warm and eat.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

If you think about it, you ain't doing it for the mother You're paying for maintenance so your children can have a safe home. I was laying my sons mothers electric and gas bill so he can stay warm and eat. "
paying not laying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

If you think about it, you ain't doing it for the mother You're paying for maintenance so your children can have a safe home. I was laying my sons mothers electric and gas bill so he can stay warm and eat. paying not laying"

This is different.... She is a working professional woman.... She is making 250k a year... the money I’m giving is not for the children...

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman...

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over a year ago


"In America unless you can prove the mother is a drug addict or criminal.... They children will always stay with the mother."

In America, on average, 51% of cases are judged to go to the mother; 49% the father.

About 85% go to the mother only in cases where both parents have made that agreement ahead of time, and there's been no need for a judge at all.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

"

Generally the family home is retained until the youngest child is an adult. Then sold and the proceeds split. It would be odd to “give away” your claim on the house.

Even if you did, the fact the woman owns equity in the house wouldn’t cover day to day life costs.

If you have the kids 108 days per year as you propose let’s call it 1/3 of the year for ease.

Crucially I note that your 1/3 of the year is weekends and school holidays.

Your ex wife gets school days: who has PE today, Billy has after school club, Susie was sick on Monday and school won’t have her back until Wednesday, Billy needs to build an aeroplane out of school _oxes, Susie can’t find her school shoes, there’s a teachers’ strike, there’s a teacher training day, the kids are in bed at 7pm but there’s a late meeting at work, there’s a drinks reception at work on Tuesday evening but who will have the kids etc etc, Susie has the dentist, Billy needs to see a doctor but the only appointment in1:30pm. School drop of at 9am and pick up at 3pm.

You can see what’s happening to your ex-wife’s career because you’ve cherry-picked the easy weeks.

So you need childcare. Really, really flexible childcare. A full time live-in nanny to cover the unpredictable hours a surgeon would do would easily cost you £30k.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

"

But you were the one who said you would give up the family home. You could've asked for it to be sold and divided equally.

The children live in that home. They use the utilities, they contribute to the wear and tear. You have them in your home 15% of the time.

Plus the fact that this isn't solely based on being female, if the tides were turned it could be me paying you. But the assumption that the woman will keep the children is one of the points the feminist movement makes. Expectations are different for men and women.

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over a year ago

I hate feminism, i agree some parts of the word its needed. But its them women who go on about it on You Tube that do my head in. The ones who try to ban Miss World and other things where the women are wearing skimpy outfits. That's their choice. Its as bad as political correctness. Its gone crazy since the days of the great original feminist The Suffragettes. I hate the world today and am so sorry my kids have to see this.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman..."

BTW, saying the women who are debating with you are “screaming”, is a way of undermining their points without answering them.

Your use of a patronising insult tells me a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In America unless you can prove the mother is a drug addict or criminal.... They children will always stay with the mother.

In America, on average, 51% of cases are judged to go to the mother; 49% the father.

About 85% go to the mother only in cases where both parents have made that agreement ahead of time, and there's been no need for a judge at all."

I have to question your statistics......

If 49% of the primary custody of the children go to the father.....

That would mean millions of women are paying maintenance to men...

Please send me a link privately if you can. This would be interesting to read...

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do the children live with me full time?

Yes but they stay with me 2 weekends a month plus 1-2 months all summer...

Then yes I would accept maintenance from you in order to maintain the family home for our children.

This is were I find women to not be equal.....

You would be a working surgeon with a home. But still expect me to pay for this home and if you decide to sell it , I will get nothing.....

If women really wanted equality.... they should stop expecting and excepting maintenance payments...

If you think about it, you ain't doing it for the mother You're paying for maintenance so your children can have a safe home. I was laying my sons mothers electric and gas bill so he can stay warm and eat. paying not laying

This is different.... She is a working professional woman.... She is making 250k a year... the money I’m giving is not for the children...

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman..."

I 100% agree they can't have it both ways.

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over a year ago


"Male and females should both be equal, one gender isnt more "superior" than the other! But isn't it going a bit far with certain things? Like the "man size tissues" or the "green man" the "ginger bread man"?. For god knows how many years that's what we've been brought up with. I don't mean to piss anyone off i apologize if i have just wanted a healthy debate not to offend anyone "
the iron man, the long man, Isle of Man and man o man cmon now

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Oh and by the way...

I am supremely proud to be a feminist.

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over a year ago


"Oh and by the way...

I am supremely proud to be a feminist. "
somebody has to be

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

"

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman...

BTW, saying the women who are debating with you are “screaming”, is a way of undermining their points without answering them.

Your use of a patronising insult tells me a lot. "

Wow.....you’re insulted by me using the word screaming....

I’m sorry, this is why I tend to stay away from these discussions.....

Someone always feels insulted

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over a year ago


"I hate feminism, i agree some parts of the word its needed. But its them women who go on about it on You Tube that do my head in. The ones who try to ban Miss World and other things where the women are wearing skimpy outfits. That's their choice. Its as bad as political correctness. Its gone crazy since the days of the great original feminist The Suffragettes. I hate the world today and am so sorry my kids have to see this."

I agree there are people who go too far but I guess that's always gonna be the case in any movement, there will always be those more susceptible to extremism.

The thing is though society evolves and everyone looks back with rose tinted glasses and cries of "in my day..." . It is scary how different the world is in just our lifetime but I do see some positives too.

Our kids won't know any different, we just gotta hope they pick up the good things and not the bad.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

"

Do you know how the financial aspects of a divorce work?? I'm going to guess not from your answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman...

BTW, saying the women who are debating with you are “screaming”, is a way of undermining their points without answering them.

Your use of a patronising insult tells me a lot.

Wow.....you’re insulted by me using the word screaming....

I’m sorry, this is why I tend to stay away from these discussions.....

Someone always feels insulted

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Where did she say she was personally insulted?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to question your statistics......

If 49% of the primary custody of the children go to the father.....

That would mean millions of women are paying maintenance to men...

Please send me a link privately if you can. This would be interesting to read..."

You can do the digging. I recall the original numbers being derived from 2009 national census returns, and the legwork being done from there, so start your Googling around that point and it'll show up.

In fairness that's a decade's remove, and doesn't deal with lives off-census, but those lives have a sight bigger problems anyway.

Not that it matters, as it's a ridiculously small sample size, but I know six people in the States who pay child maintenance, and five of those are the mothers. It's not uncommon in my line of work to see that.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman...

BTW, saying the women who are debating with you are “screaming”, is a way of undermining their points without answering them.

Your use of a patronising insult tells me a lot.

Wow.....you’re insulted by me using the word screaming....

I’m sorry, this is why I tend to stay away from these discussions.....

Someone always feels insulted

"

Who “screamed”? When women made reasoned points they were “screaming”?

Were any of the men on the thread “screaming”?

How about screeching or hysterical or emotional or nagging or whining or any or the other words we have for women who engage in debate?

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West. "

I agree

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

Women can’t have it both ways...

You can’t scream we want equality in one breath, then in the other say I should get something because I’m a woman...

BTW, saying the women who are debating with you are “screaming”, is a way of undermining their points without answering them.

Your use of a patronising insult tells me a lot.

Wow.....you’re insulted by me using the word screaming....

I’m sorry, this is why I tend to stay away from these discussions.....

Someone always feels insulted

Where did she say she was personally insulted? "

You’re right Dotty, I didn’t.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP - whilst you original examples (Gingerbread man etc) are valid examples of taking it too far. The fact that we have those examples is an indicator of how unequal things have been/are for women.

As a man I cannot comment on how the inequality effects a woman on daily basis - in just the same way that I cannot say what it is like to be blind, I can imagine what it would be like but I can’t tell you truly how it is because I have not experienced it.

I am not saying we cannot have a debate about it but to argue that women are equal because they have a better chance at XYZ does not mean we have truly equality.

If we did have true equality then TVCarol would not be getting chastised by both sexes.

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over a year ago

I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation

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over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West. "

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation "

Read my post above about the guy cherry picking 1/3 of the year as the weeks he would look after the kids. The inequality is clear to see.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

You can personally disagree with the kind of campaigning that leads to tissues being renamed (I don't really care much either way), but if you're a man who doubts the need for feminism it's worth asking your female friends/relations/partners about their experiences of harassment. It's scarily common.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation "

But it was a man who turned the conversation that way. It's one of the few instances where women are perceived to benefit financially so of course it would be used in debate. Money makes the world go round after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rudeboy, just pay your maintenance and stop screaming “unfair, unfair!”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Male and females should both be equal, one gender isnt more "superior" than the other! But isn't it going a bit far with certain things? Like the "man size tissues" or the "green man" the "ginger bread man"?. For god knows how many years that's what we've been brought up with. I don't mean to piss anyone off i apologize if i have just wanted a healthy debate not to offend anyone "

Real feminists aren’t concerned with man sized tissues, I couldn’t give a fuck.

It’s like the actresses not getting paid as much as their male co-stars. Yes it’s shit and should be sorted but Jesus Christ, there is SO many more important things to worry about out there.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Ever heard a single woman outside of a club saying "No, no...I'm paying the same as a single male?"

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over a year ago


"I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation

But it was a man who turned the conversation that way. It's one of the few instances where women are perceived to benefit financially so of course it would be used in debate. Money makes the world go round after all."
that's true but surely it shouldn't be the focus of a feminist just a factor of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far". "

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over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do you know how the financial aspects of a divorce work?? I'm going to guess not from your answers. "

You will be very surprised.... I’m paying my lawyer a king ransom as we speak and I’ll end up paying her legal fees also...

The lawyers are the only winners here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags"

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education...."

Is this are true story because it sounds hypothetical and therefore not something we can really answer on.

Whether or not it's true, can we really take the actions of one woman and say - that means all women are saying they want to be equal and not living that for real.

I think what you're not understanding is that they look at assets in a divorce - each person lists what they have and their debts, then a decision is made as to how this can be divided fairly so that neither is disadvantaged in favour of the other.

There are no hard and fast rules in divorce - you make your proposal if you're able to make an agreement, and the courts say if they agree or not. If you can't agree between you, they'll divide it for you as fairly as they can.

The education in this case may well be mentioned and a decision may be made, but ultimately it's not an asset so you're talking here about morals not division of assets and the courts aren't there to decide what's right, they're there to divide assets fairly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education...."

By you're using very specific examples that can quite easily be flipped.

It could be the other way around, the fact she is female isn't relevant, it could be 2 men or 2 women or the female could be the higher earner.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?

Who said I was a feminist?

I don't think that's a straight forward question.

Would we both have kept working and earning at the same rate whilst married and would I be able to maintain that after we split? Was my employment or opportunities affected by the time I took off to have our children? Would you be contributing to the cost of looking after the kids? Would you be co-parenting equally in terms of time and providing for them?

For practical purposes let’s say we were both Surgeons... Yes we both kept working and I would co parent with you... The only difference is that you get to keep the house... You will have to maintain it , but I lose all equity in the house I put in...

Do you know how the financial aspects of a divorce work?? I'm going to guess not from your answers.

You will be very surprised.... I’m paying my lawyer a king ransom as we speak and I’ll end up paying her legal fees also...

The lawyers are the only winners here"

Well the I suggest you get a better lawyer then?

I'm paying entirely for my divorce, even the fact that my husband messed up some paperwork - I've paid for mine to type it on his behalf, again, and resend it. He hasn't paid a penny in legal or Court fees.

You need to remember that these things don't fit in a box - women get this, men get that. It's all in what you propose to the Court.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"Male and females should both be equal, one gender isnt more "superior" than the other! But isn't it going a bit far with certain things? Like the "man size tissues" or the "green man" the "ginger bread man"?. For god knows how many years that's what we've been brought up with. I don't mean to piss anyone off i apologize if i have just wanted a healthy debate not to offend anyone

Real feminists aren’t concerned with man sized tissues, I couldn’t give a fuck.

It’s like the actresses not getting paid as much as their male co-stars. Yes it’s shit and should be sorted but Jesus Christ, there is SO many more important things to worry about out there. "

I chose to use the tissues coz i didn't think it would have heated up like this. If i knew it would have turned out like this I'd have mentioned it. But you're right there is more important things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You sound very bitter. Please block me. "

I'm amazed you've got gills tbh. Couldn't tell from the pics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rudeboy, just pay your maintenance and stop screaming “unfair, unfair!” "

I know! I'm waiting to get that new pair of Jimmy Choos

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

Is this are true story because it sounds hypothetical and therefore not something we can really answer on.

Whether or not it's true, can we really take the actions of one woman and say - that means all women are saying they want to be equal and not living that for real.

I think what you're not understanding is that they look at assets in a divorce - each person lists what they have and their debts, then a decision is made as to how this can be divided fairly so that neither is disadvantaged in favour of the other.

There are no hard and fast rules in divorce - you make your proposal if you're able to make an agreement, and the courts say if they agree or not. If you can't agree between you, they'll divide it for you as fairly as they can.

The education in this case may well be mentioned and a decision may be made, but ultimately it's not an asset so you're talking here about morals not division of assets and the courts aren't there to decide what's right, they're there to divide assets fairly. "

Sounds like a story from google

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation

But it was a man who turned the conversation that way. It's one of the few instances where women are perceived to benefit financially so of course it would be used in debate. Money makes the world go round after all.that's true but surely it shouldn't be the focus of a feminist just a factor of it "

Who said it is the focus?

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over a year ago


" I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education...."

Even as a pale, stale male I can point out that you language is the issue:

The Guy is very successful whilst the girl is only perusing a doctorate in Art History - if this is a story then why is the woman not completing a doctorate in advanced chemical engineering?

You use of patriarchal language is evidence enough of the inequality in your argument.

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over a year ago


"Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education...."

As an aside it was fun reading this as Alan Partridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You sound very bitter. Please block me.

I'm amazed you've got gills tbh. Couldn't tell from the pics."

Hee hee, I know, right?! Sea hag and proud - if that means I’m able to understand that feminism helps all genders. And a very happy, positive feminist too. Hurrah!

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By *icebloke551Man
over a year ago

Kidderminster

Not many women replying to this debate .they must be busy doing house work and looking after the kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?"

In your 'totally equal scenario' it doesn't even seem to have crossed your mind that as a father you would take on the responsibility of looking after the kids.

That's what I did, with both children living with me for most of the week. When they were younger it meant that I had to pay for child care and couldn't consider seeking promotion to jobs with higher responsibility / higher pay.

That is why we have a system of maintenance payments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rudeboy, just pay your maintenance and stop screaming “unfair, unfair!”

I know! I'm waiting to get that new pair of Jimmy Choos "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hee hee, I know, right?! Sea hag and proud - if that means I’m able to understand that feminism helps all genders. And a very happy, positive feminist too. Hurrah! "

Next thing you'll be renaming wet-wipes 'wipes', before dragging us to a watery grave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

Is this are true story because it sounds hypothetical and therefore not something we can really answer on.

Whether or not it's true, can we really take the actions of one woman and say - that means all women are saying they want to be equal and not living that for real.

I think what you're not understanding is that they look at assets in a divorce - each person lists what they have and their debts, then a decision is made as to how this can be divided fairly so that neither is disadvantaged in favour of the other.

There are no hard and fast rules in divorce - you make your proposal if you're able to make an agreement, and the courts say if they agree or not. If you can't agree between you, they'll divide it for you as fairly as they can.

The education in this case may well be mentioned and a decision may be made, but ultimately it's not an asset so you're talking here about morals not division of assets and the courts aren't there to decide what's right, they're there to divide assets fairly. "

This is a true story and the woman in question is a feminist....

I’m not sure how it works in the Uk but if a woman supports a man during law/medical school she is entitled to a portion of his future earnings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not many women replying to this debate .they must be busy doing house work and looking after the kids "

Are *you* going to contribute to the debate?

No? Get back to scratching your balls then.

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over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me. "

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hee hee, I know, right?! Sea hag and proud - if that means I’m able to understand that feminism helps all genders. And a very happy, positive feminist too. Hurrah!

Next thing you'll be renaming wet-wipes 'wipes', before dragging us to a watery grave."

Stop trying to get the subliminal messaging of “wet” and “us” going, in an attempt to seduce me,

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria

Both sign a prenup don't bite my head off

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

Is this are true story because it sounds hypothetical and therefore not something we can really answer on.

Whether or not it's true, can we really take the actions of one woman and say - that means all women are saying they want to be equal and not living that for real.

I think what you're not understanding is that they look at assets in a divorce - each person lists what they have and their debts, then a decision is made as to how this can be divided fairly so that neither is disadvantaged in favour of the other.

There are no hard and fast rules in divorce - you make your proposal if you're able to make an agreement, and the courts say if they agree or not. If you can't agree between you, they'll divide it for you as fairly as they can.

The education in this case may well be mentioned and a decision may be made, but ultimately it's not an asset so you're talking here about morals not division of assets and the courts aren't there to decide what's right, they're there to divide assets fairly.

This is a true story and the woman in question is a feminist....

I’m not sure how it works in the Uk but if a woman supports a man during law/medical school she is entitled to a portion of his future earnings "
. Uk law is less prescriptive I believe, more about agreeing a fair settlement. But see my final paragraph above then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop trying to get the subliminal messaging of “wet” and “us” going, in an attempt to seduce me, "

What's that? A gagging order?

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"Both sign a prenup don't bite my head off "

No legally binding in the UK

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By *icebloke551Man
over a year ago

Kidderminster

Scratching my balls .i get a women to do it for me so they feel equal .before doing my breakfast

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"Both sign a prenup don't bite my head off

No legally binding in the UK "

I honestly didn't know that

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over a year ago

Well im just going to cause a shit storm. I work in further education where women out number the men. This is something I've noticed and other male members of staff have noticed, that women with power are fuckin dangerous. Not all but most female managers seem to love the power and cause a fight in a empty house.

Margaret Thatcher, end of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx"

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"Well im just going to cause a shit storm. I work in further education where women out number the men. This is something I've noticed and other male members of staff have noticed, that women with power are fuckin dangerous. Not all but most female managers seem to love the power and cause a fight in a empty house.

Margaret Thatcher, end of. "

Was just gonna mention thatcher

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scratching my balls .i get a women to do it for me so they feel equal .before doing my breakfast "

Yes, love. Course you do.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder* "

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop trying to get the subliminal messaging of “wet” and “us” going, in an attempt to seduce me,

What's that? A gagging order?"

Ball gag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol "

Blocked.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Maintenance payments after a divorce are given to one partner where they are unable to live a reasonable standard of living without the second income. Or to the parent who takes primary care of children.

This is often the woman of a marriage because they have often given up work, usually to look after kids, meaning they have no or limited income as a result. It's not always women by the way. In many cases it's staged in recognition of the fact that the partner receiving the payments now needs to get up and sort themselves a job that does meet their living requirements

You'll no doubt now start quoting the huge celebrity cases or those for people with millions. Money is a marital asset and where there is a lot of it, it gets divided...

If you think it's a case of hey there's been a divorce - sorry ex husband, you're now paying maintenance to your ex wife because she's a women and you're a man - then this is a typical sign of that lingering attitude to women that the poster above was referring to that can still be seen in some quarters in the West.

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

Is this are true story because it sounds hypothetical and therefore not something we can really answer on.

Whether or not it's true, can we really take the actions of one woman and say - that means all women are saying they want to be equal and not living that for real.

I think what you're not understanding is that they look at assets in a divorce - each person lists what they have and their debts, then a decision is made as to how this can be divided fairly so that neither is disadvantaged in favour of the other.

There are no hard and fast rules in divorce - you make your proposal if you're able to make an agreement, and the courts say if they agree or not. If you can't agree between you, they'll divide it for you as fairly as they can.

The education in this case may well be mentioned and a decision may be made, but ultimately it's not an asset so you're talking here about morals not division of assets and the courts aren't there to decide what's right, they're there to divide assets fairly.

This is a true story and the woman in question is a feminist....

I’m not sure how it works in the Uk but if a woman supports a man during law/medical school she is entitled to a portion of his future earnings . Uk law is less prescriptive I believe, more about agreeing a fair settlement. But see my final paragraph above then. "

Don’t think I put it actually but feminism to me is equal opps based on ability then standing on your own two feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl and decides to get married...

Guy is very successful in his career and the girl is still in school perusing a doctorate in Art History.

He is paying for her education , pays all household expenses , and gives her a credit card for all her personal monthly expenses...

They divorce after a very short time....

The guy offers to keep the house and apartment... Assume all the debt and let her walk away with no debt , a free education, and all material possessions.

Mind you the woman has never had a job and used his credit card to buy him ever gift during the marriage....

Now as a feminist, why should the man have to give her anything else?

If women are truly equal, why doesn’t she offer the guy a portion of her future income? He did paid for her education....

Even as a pale, stale male I can point out that you language is the issue:

The Guy is very successful whilst the girl is only perusing a doctorate in Art History - if this is a story then why is the woman not completing a doctorate in advanced chemical engineering?

You use of patriarchal language is evidence enough of the inequality in your argument. "

Ok you win..... I’ll take my mysogynous and chauvinistic self away

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol

Blocked."

I was jesting with that lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Power to the split dicks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol

Blocked.

I was jesting with that lol "

Tough. I’m a vinegar titted feminist which means I have no sense of humour and just a burning rage and need for emasculation because that’s what it can only ever mean.

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By *heekyFlirtyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Stockport

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol

Blocked.

I was jesting with that lol

Tough. I’m a vinegar titted feminist which means I have no sense of humour and just a burning rage and need for emasculation because that’s what it can only ever mean.

"

Don't need to justify it

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"No its about time we had ginger bread women."

I thought we did. Me and my Niece made some although the skirt mould we used may upset some people. So we called them non binary spicy bread based biscuit figures so as not to upset people of a delicate and ginger nature.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No its about time we had ginger bread women.

I thought we did. Me and my Niece made some although the skirt mould we used may upset some people. So we called them non binary spicy bread based biscuit figures so as not to upset people of a delicate and ginger nature. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

When I divorced my first husband , I asked for the divorced (no one else involved), I gave him 50% net profit of the house and took no maintenance pay, 50% access to our son and I took 100% responsibility for him too. Think if he wanted the divorce I might have felt differently. It was tough and I had to get a second job, but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time!

"

This is exactly what I’m talking about...

If all women did this , then we can say we are all equal......

Until then it’s all lip service....

Thank you for sharing this.... it gives me hope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol

Blocked.

I was jesting with that lol

Tough. I’m a vinegar titted feminist which means I have no sense of humour and just a burning rage and need for emasculation because that’s what it can only ever mean.

Don't need to justify it "

Can if I want, stop trying to control me, man!

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"No its about time we had ginger bread women.

I thought we did. Me and my Niece made some although the skirt mould we used may upset some people. So we called them non binary spicy bread based biscuit figures so as not to upset people of a delicate and ginger nature. "

Make it easier, we made biscuits

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By *heekyFlirtyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Stockport

"

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

"

When I divorced my first husband , I asked for the divorced (no one else involved), I gave him 50% net profit of the house and took no maintenance pay, 50% access to our son and I took 100% responsibility for him too. Think if he wanted the divorce I might have felt differently. It was tough and I had to get a second job, but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Make it easier, we made biscuits "

*cisquit complains*

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"im all for people protesting about something they are not happy with.

but when it gets nasty and (in a lot of cases here) men all get thrown into the same bracket due to the actions of idiots my response is to block all who complain.

why?

because these type of people have deep issues and i will not allow them to bring me down.

and im too far a nice guy to let you ruin my reputation with your twisted views.

once a women has made her mind up its very hard to change it so i watch this forum closely which is making it easier to meet nice women. not miserable sea hags

You sound very bitter. Please block me.

lol not bitter just honest with an opinion. which i am still legally intitled to give.

or have you taken that away and walking around with a placard saying 'down with patrick' lol xx

I’ve not said you’re not entitled, legally or not, to have it.

To be fair though, I’m blocking you for the use of “lol” - twice man, twice in one comment!! Why would you do that?!

*shudder*

Lol

Blocked.

I was jesting with that lol

Tough. I’m a vinegar titted feminist which means I have no sense of humour and just a burning rage and need for emasculation because that’s what it can only ever mean.

Don't need to justify it

Can if I want, stop trying to control me, man! "

ohh fisty

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

"

Unless you have had female experience you will not know

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate "

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out."

Very well said x

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"

Make it easier, we made biscuits

*cisquit complains*"

Be quiet foxy

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


""

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

"

When I divorced my first husband , I asked for the divorced (no one else involved), I gave him 50% net profit of the house and took no maintenance pay, 50% access to our son and I took 100% responsibility for him too. Think if he wanted the divorce I might have felt differently. It was tough and I had to get a second job, but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time!"

Each divorce case is individual...many older women gave up careers to support husband and kids. They have lower pensions, lower wages etc as a result. Money is not only one person's in a marraige

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"You can personally disagree with the kind of campaigning that leads to tissues being renamed (I don't really care much either way), but if you're a man who doubts the need for feminism it's worth asking your female friends/relations/partners about their experiences of harassment. It's scarily common. "

This is a good suggestion.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out."

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get"

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Be both, then be chastised by both sexes.

There’s not a name I’ve not been called over the years, still here, still in a way proud."

Be proud.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"

I’m going to tell you a story.

Guy meets girl .."

Cherry picked examples that try to frame anyone that doesn't come to the conclusion you want as "wrong" is

A) hardly ducking out of this debate you try and avoid

B) your second attempt at that tactic on this thread.

You clearly have your opinion, it clearly isn't changing, so why do you think you can change anyone else's?

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?"

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea"

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok just trying to lighten the mood. But here's what i think. This is what's happened the last 2 dates I've been on. Men should always buy the first drink. So bought first drink amd conversatiin is good, having a good laugh and all that. I look at my nearly emoty glass and ask 'what you doing?' They reply 'nothing why?' I say good because it's your round. Now I've had a giggly response because she thinks Im joking, but oi nnoooo if i was sitting here with my mate it would be his round so you why should you be any different just because you got a front bum. You want equal rights then get the fuckin bar and you may get to suck the stiff one eye by the end of the night.

Shit, no wonder I'm single.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok just trying to lighten the mood. But here's what i think. This is what's happened the last 2 dates I've been on. Men should always buy the first drink. So bought first drink amd conversatiin is good, having a good laugh and all that. I look at my nearly emoty glass and ask 'what you doing?' They reply 'nothing why?' I say good because it's your round. Now I've had a giggly response because she thinks Im joking, but oi nnoooo if i was sitting here with my mate it would be his round so you why should you be any different just because you got a front bum. You want equal rights then get the fuckin bar and you may get to suck the stiff one eye by the end of the night.

Shit, no wonder I'm single. "

I buy drinks for men, happily - would swerve anyone that said “stiff one eye” though.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point."

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

When I divorced my first husband , I asked for the divorced (no one else involved), I gave him 50% net profit of the house and took no maintenance pay, 50% access to our son and I took 100% responsibility for him too. Think if he wanted the divorce I might have felt differently. It was tough and I had to get a second job, but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time!

This is exactly what I’m talking about...

If all women did this , then we can say we are all equal......

Until then it’s all lip service....

Thank you for sharing this.... it gives me hope "

I didn’t see you reply to my post where I said I’m funding my divorce. I’m also walking away at a financial disadvantage.

You’re assuming that it’s always the woman who come off best. Not the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok just trying to lighten the mood. But here's what i think. This is what's happened the last 2 dates I've been on. Men should always buy the first drink. So bought first drink amd conversatiin is good, having a good laugh and all that. I look at my nearly emoty glass and ask 'what you doing?' They reply 'nothing why?' I say good because it's your round. Now I've had a giggly response because she thinks Im joking, but oi nnoooo if i was sitting here with my mate it would be his round so you why should you be any different just because you got a front bum. You want equal rights then get the fuckin bar and you may get to suck the stiff one eye by the end of the night.

Shit, no wonder I'm single.

I buy drinks for men, happily - would swerve anyone that said “stiff one eye” though."

heard it on a film last night, couldn't resist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve had a skim read.

Can we happily sum everything up with a simple “don’t be cunts to each other” and the world would be a happier place wouldn’t it?

Sadly the world IS full of cunts, so it won’t be happening any time soon. But in the meantime try and be the best YOU can be. And try not to be a cunt!

Right. That’s the thread solved. Who fancies a fuck?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?"

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Well im just going to cause a shit storm. I work in further education where women out number the men. This is something I've noticed and other male members of staff have noticed, that women with power are fuckin dangerous. Not all but most female managers seem to love the power and cause a fight in a empty house.

Margaret Thatcher, end of. "

I've known plenty of men who that applies to.

Donald Trump, start of...

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack."

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me.

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

All the arguments people use against gender equality and feminism are the same as the ones the used against race equality and racism 30 or 40 years ago.

When black people were routinely paid less that their white colleagues, or not given overtime ( as happened to my dad and his black colleagues at big companies ) or when people were told they were hypersensitive when words like NigNog or Paki or Wog were used in the staff room , or the workfloor or by "comedians" on TV.

Black people were told to shut up, suck it up, they were lucky to be here, or "get back to their own country" if they didn't like it (regardless if they were actually born here).

40 years on, no rightminded person would think any of the above were acceptable.

But at the time it was seen as normal, and why were these people rocking the boat....sound familiar?

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"No its about time we had ginger bread women."

Sexist. I think you mean gingerbread gender neutral people.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most feminists have bowl haircuts, thick round glasses and crooked teeth

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"No its about time we had ginger bread women.

Sexist. I think you mean gingerbread gender neutral people. "

There's a name for it further up the thread

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"Well im just going to cause a shit storm. I work in further education where women out number the men. This is something I've noticed and other male members of staff have noticed, that women with power are fuckin dangerous. Not all but most female managers seem to love the power and cause a fight in a empty house.

Margaret Thatcher, end of.

I've known plenty of men who that applies to.

Donald Trump, start of..."

I don't agree with all of trumps policies but i think he does have some good ideas though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me. "

Again, that’s not actually what I’ve said. Extrication technique is not the same as let them do it. And to accuse a woman of being a coward for choosing more successful removal techniques in a situation of fear of reprisal as being a coward demonstrates a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most feminists have bowl haircuts, thick round glasses and crooked teeth "

Stop with your hair envy.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me.

Again, that’s not actually what I’ve said. Extrication technique is not the same as let them do it. And to accuse a woman of being a coward for choosing more successful removal techniques in a situation of fear of reprisal as being a coward demonstrates a lot."

You didn't stipulate anything as choosing a successful removal of fear, so for me that's all i needed for my conclusion. If there is a way of getting out of it without violence then take it.

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over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me.

Again, that’s not actually what I’ve said. Extrication technique is not the same as let them do it. And to accuse a woman of being a coward for choosing more successful removal techniques in a situation of fear of reprisal as being a coward demonstrates a lot.

You didn't stipulate anything as choosing a successful removal of fear, so for me that's all i needed for my conclusion. If there is a way of getting out of it without violence then take it. "

You’re right, I hadn’t and I can expand - but you’ve just stated that rather than ask, your assumption is all you needed...that’s fascinating.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me.

Again, that’s not actually what I’ve said. Extrication technique is not the same as let them do it. And to accuse a woman of being a coward for choosing more successful removal techniques in a situation of fear of reprisal as being a coward demonstrates a lot.

You didn't stipulate anything as choosing a successful removal of fear, so for me that's all i needed for my conclusion. If there is a way of getting out of it without violence then take it. "

You are clearly not in prison,your pics show that you have use of your hands and that you have retained your youthful good looks.All of which suggests to me that you are not in the habit of punching people much larger and stronger than yourself.

The examples given of celebrities,millionaire surgeons and men paying for their young wives education are hardly typical. These issues affect ordinary people too,people struggling to bring up children and maintain a home on low incomes. Of course there should be equality of responsibility. It is often not a case of one partner "getting" the kids,so much as one partner being dumped with the duties of parenthood without the support that they need.

Dont forget that before all these trivial examples of man sized tissues etc,there was the far more serious case of Yorkies being denied to all girls.Until this injustice is put right,the fight will go on.

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In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I notice feminism and the main topic of conversation where it's concerned always centres around divorce and it's aftermath, surely a true feminist stands on her own two feet and is proud, finance has very little to do with it it's a commitment to emancipation

But it was a man who turned the conversation that way. It's one of the few instances where women are perceived to benefit financially so of course it would be used in debate. Money makes the world go round after all.that's true but surely it shouldn't be the focus of a feminist just a factor of it

Who said it is the focus? "
Does seem to be here

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By (user no longer on site)
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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men."

Which men?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men? "

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely."
Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

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over a year ago


"In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely."

Indeed. That kind of nonsense has nothing to do with feminism, and it's an eyebrow raiser when that leap in logic is made so quickly.

(It's also, like so many similar pressure points, something which exists far less than the fever of its reporting)

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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good."

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two.

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"In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.

Indeed. That kind of nonsense has nothing to do with feminism, and it's an eyebrow raiser when that leap in logic is made so quickly.

(It's also, like so many similar pressure points, something which exists far less than the fever of its reporting)"

Exactly. Shag is determined to keep resuscitating it misleadingly in order to point score his right wing leanings.

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By *ortobello SionnachWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"I honestly can’t see how in the western world, women feel unequal to men.

I work with many women in Finance and they’re paid equally and the minute they make a complaint to HR it is immediately taken seriously...

Now in my travels to the Middle East and Indian.. I can see a need to feminism..

In the Middle East women are keep in a golden cage... They are allowed every luxury on earth but can’t make any independent decisions without the consent of a man..

In India so women are forced to marry men they don’t love....

In India and the Middle East these things happen because of culture and religion....

Just because things are "worse" elsewhere doesn't mean there aren't issues here though.

Yes the Western world is making progress to close the gender gap but it's in no way perfect.

The women who work with you are lucky to be in that position and may indeed feel they are treated fairly, that doesn't mean everyone does.

Touché

How do you feel about women receiving maintenance payments after a divorce?

Men can receive them too?

I’ll give you a scenario and all I’m asking is for your honest opinion....

If you and I were to get married....

Before the marriage we are both worth 1 million each. We get married , both keep working , buy a house and have two children . Keep separate accounts but keep a joint account to pay the bills.

Now we decided to get a divorce. I’ll let you keep the house because I don’t want to disrupt the children’s live.....

Now as a feminist.... would you take the maintenance payments?"

Wow you dispute people paying for their children after a divorce

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me. "

When it happened to me I was alone in the house with my three children.

I weighed up my options in milliseconds. I knew I wouldn’t win if I fought. And if he hurt me or knocked me out there would be no one between him and my children.

So I decided I’d do whatever he wanted, no matter how degrading, to keep his focus on me and not on my kids. I was compliant and appeasing.

I’m not a coward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two."
That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern.

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"That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern."

Govern? In Sweden? They're still none the wiser weeks after the election.

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far".

What areas matters?

Opportunities in work and education, pay gaps,political and media representation, sexual harrassment......

Opportunities in work and education would depend on qualifications and experience surely, not gender?

Isn’t the pay gaps a myth based on statistical misrepresentation? Like comparing a woman receptionist with a male director.

Men get sexually harassed too but how likely are they to be taken seriously? It’s surely more down to education and not sweeping any sexual harassment case under the rug.

I appreciate what you’re saying, just playing devil’s advocate

Men may be sexually harassed on occasion but is it a weekly experience for you? Can you think of multiple times in the past month you have felt scared due to sexual harassment? Were you hit on at 17 by your boss who was in their 30s? Can you go to the supermarket without being approached by much older women asking you to come home with them and then proceed to follow you across the car park? Would this even scare you if they did? Have you had women you don't know come and put their arm around you while waiting for a train during the 10 minutes your partner want to the toilet and then get aggressive with you when you ask them not to? Have you had a female friend barricade you in a room alone with them because you didn't return the feelings they had for you? Again remember in all of these instances the other person is much larger than you and capable of causing you harm if they choose to. Women are groped and harassed so often by men in public it just becomes normal to us and I don't even mention the minor examples to anyone anymore, only the times that I have felt genuinely scared and found myself making plans to approach strangers to walk me to my car or to let me sit with them on public transport because I'm scared of a genuine threat to my safety. Pretty much every time I go to a nightclub a stranger will touch my bum or boobs, usually when passing in a crowd. I don't even react to it anymore which is scary when I think about it. I literally expect to be groped when I go out.

Sorry to hear that. it is disgusting that males think they can do that shit and get away with it. Next time it happens just hit em on the jaw. Woman do deserve more respect than the get

What a ridiculous suggestion. Hit em on the jaw?

Invite more violent retaliation, or get yourself a potential conviction for assault?

How’s about you be a useful ally and do something?

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from any threat. so no I personally wouldn't say its a ridiculous idea

Umm. You’ve missed the point.

What's this point I've missed? if it was you, how would you deal with the situation?

“Hit em on the jaw”

Hit someone that is more physically strong than you, is your piece of advice.....I’m not not advocating defending yourself in an attack, I’m pointing out that if someone physically stronger than you puts their arm around you as a come on that “hit them on the jaw” is not the safest extrication technique to not invite attack.

So just let them do it then? If i was a woman id feel more degraded i didn't do anything to try and stop it and just let him do it. I know that everyone aint the same, people don't have same logics, id rather go as fighter than a coward. Thats just me.

When it happened to me I was alone in the house with my three children.

I weighed up my options in milliseconds. I knew I wouldn’t win if I fought. And if he hurt me or knocked me out there would be no one between him and my children.

So I decided I’d do whatever he wanted, no matter how degrading, to keep his focus on me and not on my kids. I was compliant and appeasing.

I’m not a coward. "

you were being a mother in that situation. Protecting your children in the only way possible at the time, but i misinterpreted what you said from your previous comment. I thought you were meaning outside in public. I apologize for what you had to go through

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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two.That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern."

You miss my point, Shag.

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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two.That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern.

You miss my point, Shag. "

Fancy a cuppa?

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The face palming is giving me RSI.

I’m off to smash some glass ceilings at work.

Have a good day fabbers.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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We live in a society with many wrongs, perpetuation of inequality amongst them. Divide and conquer is a useful ploy that sets people against each other - it's wise to monitor yourself for whenever you notice that you are pulled this way.

Be a feminist and resist pressure to want injustice. Stay focused on what's important, rather than the dross of life

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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two.That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern.

You miss my point, Shag.

Fancy a cuppa? "

No, thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"The face palming is giving me RSI.

I’m off to smash some glass ceilings at work.

Have a good day fabbers."

Take care have a good day x

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By (user no longer on site)
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Well “One giant leap for mankind” is f*cked innit?... what a b@stard Neil Armstrong is?!...

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

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"Well “One giant leap for mankind” is f*cked innit?... what a b@stard Neil Armstrong is?!..."

Spell it backwards, a.lien

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

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I know I’m gonna get lambasted for this, but what’s wrong with women being better than men at some things and men better than women, treated equally should go without saying, but at the end of the day we are built slightly differently and designed slightly differently.. let’s cut the crap and accept some differences but with the upmost respect at the same time...

did I really spot a reference to the gingerbread man being inappropriate?? Hahaha what next

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"In sweden we call them batikhäxor and it is not about equal opertunities more of a which hunt on men.

Which men?

In all seriousness, the batikhäxor situation is not one I condone or recognise as feminism, but is exploitation and wrong, entirely.Yes genderless lol, that is right as they are on the extreme left which is not good.

No. You misunderstand Shag, the wrongness is exploitation, it has nothing to do with political leaning. Please don’t conflate the two.That is right but it is political in sweden tho as they govern.

You miss my point, Shag. "
Yes I did there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminists are like Racists... Judgmental

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most people on here would agree those are some pretty daft examples but until the genders are actually truly equal in areas which matter then no, things haven't gone "too far". "

exactly this!

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By *oungalpha20 OP   Man
over a year ago

North West /Cumbria

The human mind is a beautiful thing. Way people have got their own perspective on things. Came to the conclusion. Agreed to disagree on certain aspect. I apologize if i offended anyone, wasn't my intentions. Have a top day you beautiful lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminists have had a sense of humour bypass

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

Everyone should be a feminist. I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a 'mansplaining', 'manspreading', 'manterrupting' monster. A feminist's worst nightmare

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone should be a feminist. I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t be. "

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"I know I’m gonna get lambasted for this, but what’s wrong with women being better than men at some things and men better than women, treated equally should go without saying, but at the end of the day we are built slightly differently and designed slightly differently.. let’s cut the crap and accept some differences but with the upmost respect at the same time...

did I really spot a reference to the gingerbread man being inappropriate?? Hahaha what next"

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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a 'mansplaining', 'manspreading', 'manterrupting' monster. A feminist's worst nightmare "

Hehe ,I love u hubby lol

Can i be one too haha

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