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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

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Do you have free will? Or is it an illusion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You tell me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You tell me "

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"You tell me "

I think it’s mostly an illusion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are free until you break the rules.

Rule 1. Don't spit on the floor.

Rule 2. Obey all the rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No Will won't he had, he just wants to break free!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can free will be an illusion? No matter how much subconscious or subliminal conditioning one is subjected to in order to skew the chances of a potential choice or path to be taken, at the end of the day the very fact that we're still individuals who can still choose to act or not act based on external input means we still have free will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, I thought you were offering a free will writing service, bugger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get rid of morality and legality and we all have!

I don’t think anyone totally has but no I don’t think it’s an illusion.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

This question has me going round in circles. On balance no, I don't think we do but some manage to exercise a semblance of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh, I thought you were offering a free will writing service, bugger."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have the right to choose your own path, and the obligation to not block or interfere with another person's right to choose theirs.

That means limits need to be imposed to give the maximum freedom to the greatest number of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bit deep for a Sunday night Mr V. I’m off back to the even stranger trick or treat thread

Ps nice suit pic

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

I think I definitely have free will!

All the many cock-up’s and wrong decisions/turns I made in my life were mine and mine alone!

Comforting is that!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think I definitely have free will!

All the many cock-up’s and wrong decisions/turns I made in my life were mine and mine alone!

Comforting is that! "

Were they yours or a product of the era you were born, your up bringing and social pressure?

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion

Why?"

The science indicates that our choices are made subconsciously and our brains then rewrite history to convince us that we had agency to choose. It’s a sort of trick our brains do to give us a feeling of control over our lives.

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place

Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them. "

Excellent I shall blame that quarter of a second for all the bad decisions I’ve made

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them.

Excellent I shall blame that quarter of a second for all the bad decisions I’ve made "

Good idea, the problem is it’s still you that makes the bad decisions, just the unconscious part of you! So you’re still to blame!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them.

Excellent I shall blame that quarter of a second for all the bad decisions I’ve made

Good idea, the problem is it’s still you that makes the bad decisions, just the unconscious part of you! So you’re still to blame! "

So what you’re saying is that theory wouldn’t stand up in court then? Buggar

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them.

Excellent I shall blame that quarter of a second for all the bad decisions I’ve made

Good idea, the problem is it’s still you that makes the bad decisions, just the unconscious part of you! So you’re still to blame!

So what you’re saying is that theory wouldn’t stand up in court then? Buggar "

Sadly not!

You could try demon possession! But I doubt that would hold much water either!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them.

Excellent I shall blame that quarter of a second for all the bad decisions I’ve made

Good idea, the problem is it’s still you that makes the bad decisions, just the unconscious part of you! So you’re still to blame!

So what you’re saying is that theory wouldn’t stand up in court then? Buggar "

That's when you call Last Chance Lawyer

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

It's probably impossible to make unbiased choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's impossible to know either way. So...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brain scan studies show that there is a quarter of a second gap between making a decision and our conscious minds being aware that we have made them. "

Many of the people I deal with need a quarter of a century to make a decision and a lot longer to be aware of the consequences

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"It's impossible to know either way. So... "

I disagree, it’s possible to test.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion

Why?

The science indicates that our choices are made subconsciously and our brains then rewrite history to convince us that we had agency to choose. It’s a sort of trick our brains do to give us a feeling of control over our lives. "

It really doesn't. Your subconscious only handles certain decisions only, skill mastery is essentially when you can process a skill subconsciously, you need to consciously practice before that can happen, sport being a great example. The subconscious contains predictable biases that we can overrule once we become aware of them.

We are neither have total will, but are still further away from determinism or pre-destination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's impossible to know either way. So...

I disagree, it’s possible to test. "

No it isn't

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

If you think about it our ancestors probably had more free will than us, and of those who chose to use it they probably dieddoing things like eating new foods that they didn't know were poisonous but even then eating is something we tend to not have a choice about.

It's confusing.

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion

Why?

The science indicates that our choices are made subconsciously and our brains then rewrite history to convince us that we had agency to choose. It’s a sort of trick our brains do to give us a feeling of control over our lives.

It really doesn't. Your subconscious only handles certain decisions only, skill mastery is essentially when you can process a skill subconsciously, you need to consciously practice before that can happen, sport being a great example. The subconscious contains predictable biases that we can overrule once we become aware of them.

We are neither have total will, but are still further away from determinism or pre-destination. "

That’s not what the science says.

Also you are conflating free will and freedom

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion

Why?

The science indicates that our choices are made subconsciously and our brains then rewrite history to convince us that we had agency to choose. It’s a sort of trick our brains do to give us a feeling of control over our lives.

It really doesn't. Your subconscious only handles certain decisions only, skill mastery is essentially when you can process a skill subconsciously, you need to consciously practice before that can happen, sport being a great example. The subconscious contains predictable biases that we can overrule once we become aware of them.

We are neither have total will, but are still further away from determinism or pre-destination.

That’s not what the science says.

Also you are conflating free will and freedom "

Ok what paper should I read that supports your argument that all choices are made subsciously?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all have the choice of how to respond to events and our attitude to them, so I would say yes, we do, despite any physical obstacles put in our way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m free to stick the kettle on right about now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's impossible to know either way. So...

I disagree, it’s possible to test. "

How?

Interesting thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To some degree yes. I chose to get up this morning 30 mins later, of my free will.

However, I've recently been trying a specific diet. My gut microbiome has changed, and the microbiome is able to use the blood-brain barrier as a cell signalling pathway. As such, the microrganisms in me effectively influence what I want to eat. So in this sense I have less free will.

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

It's an illusion. Ask any addict, any parent who puts their child's welfare before their own, anyone who takes care of a sick or disabled family member, any child who has been abused, any woman or man who has been sexually or physically assaulted, anyone who grieves for someone they lost, anyone who has ever had their heart broken...

Anyone who has ever thought for even the briefest moment.. 'I wish....'

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Free will

Ok so you wake up, you think I’d best get up and have a cup of tea and toast

Free will you think??

So it I’ll have coffee and cereals

There

Or was you always going to go for the second option?

Free will or is life just pre ordained ?

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"It's impossible to know either way. So...

I disagree, it’s possible to test.

How?

Interesting thread. "

There are lots of papers about this. Here is one.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/15/6217

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"To some degree yes. I chose to get up this morning 30 mins later, of my free will.

However, I've recently been trying a specific diet. My gut microbiome has changed, and the microbiome is able to use the blood-brain barrier as a cell signalling pathway. As such, the microrganisms in me effectively influence what I want to eat. So in this sense I have less free will. "

I'd be interested in some references on this phenomenon if you have any, having just had a load of breath tests to analyse my microbiome lol!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe so, as long as I'm willing to face consequences of my actions?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"You tell me

I think it’s mostly an illusion

Why?

The science indicates that our choices are made subconsciously and our brains then rewrite history to convince us that we had agency to choose. It’s a sort of trick our brains do to give us a feeling of control over our lives.

It really doesn't. Your subconscious only handles certain decisions only, skill mastery is essentially when you can process a skill subconsciously, you need to consciously practice before that can happen, sport being a great example. The subconscious contains predictable biases that we can overrule once we become aware of them.

"

I agree the buck stops with us, but the trouble is we will only ever become aware of a fraction of them so it's impossible to judge the degree of influence remaining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I agree with the proposition that many decisions are made subconsciously, and can be measured as such. I don't think that has anything to do with free will.

Decisions that are made subconsciously will be things like that colour is red, free will is more complex and is a direction consisting of multiple steps and planning, rather than a simple input choice. I am sure that is not so easily measured.

As I said before we all have a semblance of free will, but that is restricted by obligation to allow others to also have the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until you have "fuck you money" you'll struggle with true free will.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"Until you have "fuck you money" you'll struggle with true free will.

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My man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until you have "fuck you money" you'll struggle with true free will.

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You have the freedom to chase after "fuck you money" or use your time in a different way. But you need to be aware that money brings its own obligations and restrictions with it.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

If you have an hour to spare. Watch this on youtube.

Europa - The last battle (part 2)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do what pooch tells me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do what pooch tells me "

A fine choice of delegation, I am sure that will guarentee much happiness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence?

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence? "

Well that’s a good question! It probably wasn’t a completely free act of free will, something motivated me. But because of the random effects that quantum mechanics introduces I wouldn’t say it was predestined from them moment the universe came into existence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you have free will? Or is it an illusion? "

When I'm allowed it, yeah sure

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence?

Well that’s a good question! It probably wasn’t a completely free act of free will, something motivated me. But because of the random effects that quantum mechanics introduces I wouldn’t say it was predestined from them moment the universe came into existence. "

What definition of free will are you using?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you have free will? Or is it an illusion?

When I'm allowed it, yeah sure"

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By *Vine OP   Man
over a year ago

The right place


"So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence?

Well that’s a good question! It probably wasn’t a completely free act of free will, something motivated me. But because of the random effects that quantum mechanics introduces I wouldn’t say it was predestined from them moment the universe came into existence.

What definition of free will are you using? "

A conscious choice or decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence?

Well that’s a good question! It probably wasn’t a completely free act of free will, something motivated me. But because of the random effects that quantum mechanics introduces I wouldn’t say it was predestined from them moment the universe came into existence.

What definition of free will are you using?

A conscious choice or decision "

For me free will means the ability to go against the laws of nature. A "conscious choice" doesn't mean anything if it has been predetermined by your subconscious mind. It has to be a decision that defied what was inevitably going to happen any way, if you hadn't made it. Am I making sense?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"So op... was your decision to start this thread an act of free will? Or was it predestined from the moment the universe came into existence?

Well that’s a good question! It probably wasn’t a completely free act of free will, something motivated me. But because of the random effects that quantum mechanics introduces I wouldn’t say it was predestined from them moment the universe came into existence.

What definition of free will are you using?

A conscious choice or decision "

So how am I conflating free will and freedom. How could you have freedom without conscious choice?

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