FabSwingers.com forum: Dyslexia can it be mistaken for poor grammer.

By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

I have been diagnose with dyslexia and i assume some people on fab may suffer the same condition.

But im starting to get annoyed with some people who think, i or we are not able to write good grammer and considered as unintelligent.

Dyslexia is a learning disability and i wondered have any of fab members expereince the same issues.

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By *adeiteWoman
over a year ago

Staffordshire

I suffer from it with numbers. I have to get people to put their numbers in my phone or copy paste. My brain thinks what I'm typing is correct but it isn't. It's terrible when I'm on the phone and get told, oh take this number down and ring them cause I usually end up talking to someone completely different and looking like a complete tit

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yes they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer from it with numbers. I have to get people to put their numbers in my phone or copy paste. My brain thinks what I'm typing is correct but it isn't. It's terrible when I'm on the phone and get told, oh take this number down and ring them cause I usually end up talking to someone completely different and looking like a complete tit "

Dyscalculia. I get that too. Luckily, I have very little to do with finances.

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

My dyslexia effect my grammatical errors writing sentences and not so much on numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My dyslexia effect my grammatical errors writing sentences and not so much on numbers."

There are a lot of dyslexic people on here, sometimes I think perhaps more than the national average, but your posts are perfectly coherent - that's all that matters

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"My dyslexia effect my grammatical errors writing sentences and not so much on numbers."

People who write lots (like me) can often spot the difference between a dyslexic person and one who is grammatically inept. It’s to do with patterns and the way they write. Orlando Bloom is dyslexic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally feel people get annoyed by bad grammar because they feel like it makes them more intelligent or something.

It’s bullshit ain’t it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people take spelling etc too much to heart these days.

ok, i do not use text speak and sometimes even i cannot understand that.

not writing a book ffs just typing and im sure the speed people type at means sometimes mistakes happen.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I personally feel people get annoyed by bad grammar because they feel like it makes them more intelligent or something.

It’s bullshit ain’t it. "
not necessarily - bad grammar can change the meaning of what someone is trying to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have been diagnose with dyslexia and i assume some people on fab may suffer the same condition.

But im starting to get annoyed with some people who think, i or we are not able to write good grammer and considered as unintelligent.

Dyslexia is a learning disability and i wondered have any of fab members expereince the same issues."

Believe me if you know someone who is really dyslexic you know when someone is jumping on the bandwagon to try and pass off bad schooling as dyslexia. Real dyslexics use larger words they are literate and express themselves well its just the letters within the words are not always in the right order or all there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dyslexia isn't a learning disability it's a learning difficulty. For a disability your IQ must be under 74.

It alsonaffects people in different ways. Therefore the OP being able to use grammar correctly but not spell is his dyslexia.

Mine is spelling and grammar. Therefore meaning my grammar is affected by MY dyslexia.

It's very subjective and I get annoyed when people presume that all dyslexic are affected the same.

It's an umbrella term used for a variety of different presentations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got it too but dont care as i dont let it define who i am but it helps im a but thick too

But then again spelling shmelling meh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

"My dyslexia effect my grammatical errors writing sentences and not so much on numbers.

There are a lot of dyslexic people on here, sometimes I think perhaps more than the national average, but your posts are perfectly coherent - that's all that matters

Thank you

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

Unless I'm completely unable to understand what you're saying, I couldn't give a shit how good the spelling is in a message or forum post

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

"I personally feel people get annoyed by bad grammar because they feel like it makes them more intelligent or something.

It’s bullshit ain’t it. "

High 5 to that comment, i can't tell you how many i come across who do that. But i know im more creative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason."

Spell checkers only work if the spelling is only slightly off. Someone with moderate to severe dyslexia can be too far off with their spelling for a spell checker to sort. Though the ones I know use one automatically in documents and browser add-ons to help with a lot.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Dyslexia isn't a learning disabilitie. Most dislexics myself included have no problem learning anything in fact they normally excell in most things other than spelling or reading. It also can be improved on. I'm the classic example of that. When I left school I could just about spell my name but back then there was no understanding of it so I was labelled thick or just plain stupid. Now I do ok and most ppl struggle to spot it till I point it out but that took a massive effort on my part and I've now done all I can to put my situation right. I still have no clue where punctuation marks or any of the rest of that kinda crap should go but I know I can easily be understood with a hell of a lot less effort than it takes for me to write anything in the 1st place so in all honesty I really don't see it as my problem anymore. If anyone want to challenge me over my spelling be it on here or anywhere else they better be of a higher intelligence than me as I'll rip them to bits no matter who they are or who they are trying to impress. They will lose in what ever way they choose to take me on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure that dyslexia would affect grammar, to my mind it specifically relates to spelling/reading. Of course it's a crude label applied to some symptoms and it would appear that there are at least 2 separate mechanisms at work; one is eye tracking and certainly relates to reading and thus possibly spelling (a friend claimed to have this version) and I have trouble parsing speech and I do have some very eccentric spelling and needed remedial teaching to allow me to read. I'm not aware that dyslexia has been connected with grammar but wouldn't be entirely surprised to learn that grammar were something that is susceptible to disruption by some kind of mental/physical 'shortcoming' Personally I'd give that a different label and intimately would want it to be categorised by cause rather than effect but then I'm both a literalist and a pedant and a material-reductionist. I haved dyscalculia too, no idea what mechanism underlies that. Mind you the list of things my brain won't do grows each time another mental shortcoming is catalogued :D

I'm quite sure we're judged on spelling and grammar but also looks, accent, skin colour, gender etc etc. The day people stop making snap judgements about other people is the day they've stopped being human.

Mike xx

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason."

With the greatest of respect your showing your ignorance of dislexia.

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

"Dyslexia isn't a learning disability it's a learning difficulty. For a disability your IQ must be under 74.

It alsonaffects people in different ways. Therefore the OP being able to use grammar correctly but not spell is his dyslexia.

Mine is spelling and grammar. Therefore meaning my grammar is affected by MY dyslexia.

It's very subjective and I get annoyed when people presume that all dyslexic are affected the same.

It's an umbrella term used for a variety of different presentations. "

I do apologise, you're right its learning difficulty and not disability. I missed words in my sentences and i possesses grammatical errors.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Dyslexia isn't a learning disabilitie. Most dislexics myself included have no problem learning anything in fact they normally excell in most things other than spelling or reading. It also can be improved on. I'm the classic example of that. When I left school I could just about spell my name but back then there was no understanding of it so I was labelled thick or just plain stupid. Now I do ok and most ppl struggle to spot it till I point it out but that took a massive effort on my part and I've now done all I can to put my situation right. I still have no clue where punctuation marks or any of the rest of that kinda crap should go but I know I can easily be understood with a hell of a lot less effort than it takes for me to write anything in the 1st place so in all honesty I really don't see it as my problem anymore. If anyone want to challenge me over my spelling be it on here or anywhere else they better be of a higher intelligence than me as I'll rip them to bits no matter who they are or who they are trying to impress. They will lose in what ever way they choose to take me on."

Rapiers at dawn, my good man

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason."

Likewise no matter how badly something may be written, as long as you can get the general gist..who cares!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

With the greatest of respect your showing your ignorance of dislexia."

I respect your opinion. And bad grammar, too.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

Likewise no matter how badly something may be written, as long as you can get the general gist..who cares!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

doesnt make you any less of a person in my book

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"I have been diagnose with dyslexia and i assume some people on fab may suffer the same condition.

But im starting to get annoyed with some people who think, i or we are not able to write good grammer and considered as unintelligent.

Dyslexia is a learning disability and i wondered have any of fab members expereince the same issues.

Extremely well said

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason."

Can i suggest you to Google dsylexa and how it effects people in many. Unfortunately spell check don't support people who have difficulty using numbers.

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

Dyslexic here, my spelling can be absolutely ridiculous at times, even spell the same word incorrectly in a different way. Am I stupid no but I can be a little daft in the correct company, do I class myself as disabled absolutely not, if people have a problem with my spelling and grammar via posts on here so be it, they don't know me, not sure I would want to meet a person who would be correcting my spelling.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I'm dyslexic and fly into a rage when people try to pass off lazy writing by saying 'oh maybe the OP is dyslexic'. The difference is blindingly obvious and dyslexia doesn't make you use fucking text speak. It annoys the fuck out of me that people mistakes chavs for dyslexia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

Can i suggest you to Google dsylexa and how it effects people in many. Unfortunately spell check don't support people who have difficulty using numbers. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Spell checkers only work if the spelling is only slightly off. Someone with moderate to severe dyslexia can be too far off with their spelling for a spell checker to sort. Though the ones I know use one automatically in documents and browser add-ons to help with a lot. "

Yup, there are some words that I can't make the machine recognise. Needless to say I can't think of an example but from time to time I'm forced into porting in an approximation that I'm pretty sure is wrong because the machine won't offer the word in looking for. These days though many of my errors are poor proofreading (which is of course also affected by dyslexia) coupled with a crappy virtual keyboard :D

Then one gets told to look it up in a dictionary. So many times. ... but if you can't get the first few letters right how is that supposed to work? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dyscalculia. I get that too. Luckily, I have very little to do with finances."

I have Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. When I was at school I was constantly bottom of the class academically, but practical hands on I achieved top marks.

People use to treat you as "dumb", but I have always been sharp as a razor and with speaking I can tie people up in knots.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

With the greatest of respect your showing your ignorance of dislexia.

I respect your opinion. And bad grammar, too."

Very wise

it is however a very common mistake so no offence taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

With the greatest of respect your showing your ignorance of dislexia.

I respect your opinion. And bad grammar, too.

Very wise

it is however a very common mistake so no offence taken."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I have never been a member of the spelling, or grammar police when it comes to posts on here, messages or texts but it does annoy me slightly when I see "professional" messages that are misspelt. Posters, newspaper articles, even blackboards outside pubs. This is just laziness of the writer not checking it on either a spellcheck or with somebody else!

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

I normally use dragon software which supports me in work, but its doesn't cure my dyslexia and i still have difficulties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Believe me if you know someone who is really dyslexic you know when someone is jumping on the bandwagon to try and pass off bad schooling as dyslexia. Real dyslexics use larger words they are literate and express themselves well its just the letters within the words are not always in the right order or all there. "

I'm not sure this is true. There seem to be at least 2 forms of dyslexia and varying degrees of disability so a personal observation probably is too subject to be accurate (no matter how much we might like to think otherwise).

Certainly some dyslexics like exotic or indeed esoteric words but I'm not aware of any evidence that dyslexia predisposes a person to using fancy words. I suspect that it's unconnected with vocabulary or grammar and that the vocabulary of dyslexics follows the usual distribution of the general population.

I'm am intrigued by the dysgrammar (if you'll forgive the neologism) phenomenon (now there's a word I'd not have got right in my own!), it's not something I'm aware of any studies on.

Mike xx

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Personally, I have never been a member of the spelling, or grammar police when it comes to posts on here, messages or texts but it does annoy me slightly when I see "professional" messages that are misspelt. Posters, newspaper articles, even blackboards outside pubs. This is just laziness of the writer not checking it on either a spellcheck or with somebody else!"

Or it's somebody hideing the fact they are dislexic. I've worked for the same company for over 20 years and to this day only 1 person knows how much I struggle. And he only knows because I noticed he was the same as me. If you know the tell tail signs it's easy to spot. But beware if it's somebody older like myself they will think differently to somebody who's younger who suffers like this. To me I find it embarrassing when it's pointed out. It brings back all them years of constantly being ridiculed over it in my case dayey if not hourly at school and therefore will prove who's thick and who isn't. Anyone younger probably won't care as that behaver from any teacher will be classed as child abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" ..... but it does annoy me slightly when I see "professional" messages that are misspelt. ......"

I get annoyed every time the Economist starts a sentence with 'and' or 'but', which they do a lot, but apparently that'd ok these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm am intrigued by the dysgrammar (if you'll forgive the neologism) phenomenon (now there's a word I'd not have got right in my own!), it's not something I'm aware of any studies on.

Mike xx"

Like you said you are not sure I have no issues I am 100% sure they do. Larger words are fare easier to correct with a spell checker for one also someone who has dyslexia isn't stupid they just have issues with letter recognition they often can express themselves far better that most people as to survive with dyslexia you have to use workarounds in this day and age. Dyslexics are usually very articulate with the spoken word and spoken grammar many non dyslexics seem to assume if they can't spell a word they can't use it which is pharisaical when you think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I normally use dragon software which supports me in work, but its doesn't cure my dyslexia and i still have difficulties. "

Not sure if you use it to read things but try using the dyslexie font, every letter is uniquely shaped, eliminating the common reading errors of dyslexia and it does help.

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

Thank you lovely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have been diagnose with dyslexia and i assume some people on fab may suffer the same condition.

But im starting to get annoyed with some people who think, i or we are not able to write good grammer and considered as unintelligent.

Dyslexia is a learning disability and i wondered have any of fab members expereince the same issues."

Constantly. In life, work and Fab. Found out I was on the spectrum when I was 42.

Constantly remind people the reasons why 1. I take longer to read emails. 2. Take longer to write emails. 3. Why my written documentation is unreadable.

Mistress Amelia x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive seen some very nasty comments from people on here over the years. Peoples who criticize grammar and spelling. I always struggle myself, i read things that are different to what is actually written down. I just wish people would be more considerate of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ive seen some very nasty comments from people on here over the years. Peoples who criticize grammar and spelling. I always struggle myself, i read things that are different to what is actually written down. I just wish people would be more considerate of others.

Xx"

Its not in some peoples nature to be considerate sadly but I wouldn't worry it just tells you who are best avoided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"....Like you said you are not sure I have no issues I am 100% sure they do.... "

I'm very data driven

Do you have data from a 3rd party or is this a personal observation? I appreciate your supporting explanation but it's a hypothesis without data and mechanism...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not in some peoples nature to be considerate sadly but I wouldn't worry it just tells you who are best avoided. "

Exactly!

Being judgmental isn't a nice trait, and one that's prone to backfiring. Very bad taste in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... I appreciate your supporting explanation but it's a hypothesis without data and mechanism..."

Sorry, that sounded rather more judgemental than I intended, I should have said it sounds like a hypothesis, as for all I know you do gave excellent data. I ask as I want to know if I'm wrong but I do like a good study, personal experience counts for little in the scientific world. Mostly because it lacks enough samples or there's some kind of bias in the sampling to be meaningful even if it's correct.

Mike xx

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

On a positive note guys, are brains work differently and thats why we are creative. No wonder most of you have got good veris

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when I was young, we weren’t dyslexic we were stupid or unattentive.

Interestingly the army’s BATCO system (long gone if your number starts 25 you won’t have a scooby) had a slide on it, to help you read a line of code, perfect for letter bounce!

Almost like someone knew over half the sharp end had learning probs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have been diagnose with dyslexia and i assume some people on fab may suffer the same condition.

But im starting to get annoyed with some people who think, i or we are not able to write good grammer and considered as unintelligent.

Dyslexia is a learning disability and i wondered have any of fab members expereince the same issues."

On the plus side

More creative

More practical

Out of the box thinking

I’m sociopathic as well.

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By *ookinkMan
over a year ago

Skegness

I find people who think if your grammar is poor they not interested well for a number of them I am smarter then them so them thinking there below me dream on. I work for a big transport group that gets called into to run emergency transport with no pre-planning I seen people with masters crack at the role. and the same people would play in a club as then they go off looks funny that here it about how you type but in life it looks and how you come across

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"On a positive note guys, are brains work differently and thats why we are creative. No wonder most of you have got good veris

It was best described to me many years ago as my brain was wired differently. Far from wrong but in a very different way. To me that pretty much puts it in a nutshell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"....It was best described to me many years ago as my brain was wired differently. Far from wrong but in a very different way. To me that pretty much puts it in a nutshell...."

Personally I don't mind what it's described as. I can't hear what someone's saying in a noisy environment in a way that most people can (which is, I suspect, connected to my dyslexia) and that's very much a loss-of -function or disability and not to the standard issue which to my mind indicates that something somewhere is wrong, different but also wrong.

Mike xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On a positive note guys, are brains work differently and thats why we are creative. No wonder most of you have got good veris

It was best described to me many years ago as my brain was wired differently. Far from wrong but in a very different way. To me that pretty much puts it in a nutshell

I raised a dyslexic child and she had a poster on her wall which was like a giant hexagon with lots of coloured triangles inside it (from the local Dyslexia Society) and it said "Dyslexia Is A Unique Learning Ability". It's purpose was to remind people that the brain is wired differently and although some things will be really hard for the person other things they will be really really good at as a result (pattern recognition and logic is typically something they are very good at hence the patterns and coloured triangles on the poster).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think it's fairly easy to tell the difference between whether a person has dyslexia or just has a poor understanding of spelling and grammar.

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By *eorgeo1Man
over a year ago

Slaley

"I normally use dragon software which supports me in work, but its doesn't cure my dyslexia and i still have difficulties.

Not sure if you use it to read things but try using the dyslexie font, every letter is uniquely shaped, eliminating the common reading errors of dyslexia and it does help. "

Think I'll try this. Many thanks for the comment

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By *riefcase_WankerMan
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"I personally feel people get annoyed by bad grammar because they feel like it makes them more intelligent or something.

It’s bullshit ain’t it. not necessarily - bad grammar can change the meaning of what someone is trying to say. "

Let's eat out, Grandma

Let's eat out Grandma

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By *nicorn hunterCouple
over a year ago

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"In this era of spell check pretty much everywhere I don't get why people don't use it more. For whatever reason.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

There are quite a few who post in the forums that suffer from it, some have openly put it on their profile. You will get one or two of the grammar police comment on their posts, but they get shot down quite quickly.

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By *mooth Operator 07 OP Man
over a year ago

in the deep mist of the valleys

I call them the grammar nazi police and yes they should be shot down. I received a personal message last night stating people with dsylexia are lazy. I just replied to her that i felt sorry for her and i couldn't give a toss what she thinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bit late to the thread but unfortunately yes it can, I know a couple of people who glibly say they're dyslexia. I think it's "belittling" to those who actually do have dyslexia, wrongly obviously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are quite a few who post in the forums that suffer from it, some have openly put it on their profile. You will get one or two of the grammar police comment on their posts, but they get shot down quite quickly."

Yeah but when female grammar police decide to belittle your spelling you get a thread and inbox full of white knights clambering over each other to impress the lady by giving you crap.

I’ve even revived threats of physical violence if I don’t shut up ..... from the other end of the country like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*recived.

My spell check ain’t dyslexic it’s a cyber cunt

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