FabSwingers.com forum: Is George Lucas overrated?

By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Ok so I admit i don't like star wars, but i understand why other people do. I think. But why does Hollywood talk about George Lucas like he's some sort of film genius?

As far as I can see, he's been involved with 2 successful franchises which no doubt took many creative minds to make a success. He has also been involved in at least 3 absolute stinker films, one of which is widely cited on top 10 lists of the worst films of all time (Howard the Duck).

My guess is that he's a powerful man with a good team, rather than a legit expert himself. It's not a good sign when your best work cited is at the start of your career.

Anyone care to educate me?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I like the Star Wars saga films. Probably his ideas and his ability to get people to bring those ideas into a form of reality, lies his popularity.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Anyone care to educate me? "

Matt Lucas is his illegitimate love child

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I like the Star Wars saga films. Probably his ideas and his ability to get people to bring those ideas into a form of reality, lies his popularity. "

That's a fine trait. I just feel he's described differently to that, but that could be my perception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a rarity in that he's both over and underrated.

Overrated filmmaker; hugely underrated for American Zoetrope's role in reshaping the studio landscape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Next question

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Yes. Next question"
. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Next question. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

Well down Columbo, you’re on the case.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"He's a rarity in that he's both over and underrated.

Overrated filmmaker; hugely underrated for American Zoetrope's role in reshaping the studio landscape."

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Yes. Next question. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

Well down Columbo, you’re on the case.

Yes, Napoleon Solo in the TV series ‘The Man from Uncle’ was a famous character.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Yes. Next question"

Ok next question. Ja Ja Binks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can’t recall anyone calling George Lucas a genius, he’s similar to Steve Jobs or Colonel Saunders, he was just the face of the corporation. They took the credit while other people did the work behind the scenes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Next question. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

Well down Columbo, you’re on the case.

Yes, Napoleon Solo in the TV series ‘The Man from Uncle’ was a famous character.

You’re on a roll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can’t recall anyone calling George Lucas a genius, he’s similar to Steve Jobs or Colonel Saunders, he was just the face of the corporation. They took the credit while other people did the work behind the scenes. "

That's harsh. He's helmed too many good movies for that.

Colonel Sanders was a legit genius in my book. Bad motherfucker too. I'd love to see a decent film of his life.

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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He's a Genius

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's harsh. He's helmed too many good movies for that.

Colonel Sanders was a legit genius in my book. Bad motherfucker too. I'd love to see a decent film of his life."

So serious question then, do you think his stinkers should count against him or are hits and misses just part of the creative process?

I mean, Howard the fucking Duck. Have you seen it?

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Ok so I admit i don't like star wars, but i understand why other people do. I think. But why does Hollywood talk about George Lucas like he's some sort of film genius?

My guess is that he's a powerful man with a good team, rather than a legit expert himself. It's not a good sign when your best work cited is at the start of your career.

Anyone care to educate me? "

Its a shame you don't like Star Wars, because the DVD box set contains a Documentary, Empire of Dreams can explain it alot better than I could, but I'll give it a go.

He has been credited with creating the modern day blockbuster and special effects movies and changing the face of modern cinema. If Lucas was not around you would not have Companies like Industrial Light and Magic or PIXAR which was actually Lucas Arts until he let it go and John Lassiter change its name. He basically put a lot of people in work and brought a lot of families together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think some people are of their time, and are smart enough to know where their skills lie.

American Graffiti and Star Wars. If those are on your director's CV you've done OK.

Howard the Duck is an appalling movie, but 1) Lucas didn't helm it and 2) if you must back a turkey, don't make a loss. Even that mess broke even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. Next question. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

I like puns, not Star Wars

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ok so I admit i don't like star wars, but i understand why other people do. I think. But why does Hollywood talk about George Lucas like he's some sort of film genius?

My guess is that he's a powerful man with a good team, rather than a legit expert himself. It's not a good sign when your best work cited is at the start of your career.

Anyone care to educate me?

Its a shame you don't like Star Wars, because the DVD box set contains a Documentary, Empire of Dreams can explain it alot better than I could, but I'll give it a go.

So he's like a Steve Jobs not a Steve Wozniak?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Yes. Next question. Ooooh! And your name being nearly the same as a famous character!!!

I like puns, not Star Wars

Oh gosh, don't say that. The pun brigade will come out in force to impress you. Puns belong in Christmas crackers, which belong in bins. It's all about subtle references for insiders. That's what makes you cool these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't Star Wars for people who never grew up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't Star Wars for people who never grew up?

Growing up is overrated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a star wars fan and I have seen the first 3 films as I was young when they came out.

I only liked empire strikes back because of Darth Vader's ruthlessness towards his crew if they failed him.

Apart from that not fussed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't Star Wars for people who never grew up?

I can feel the hate (Force?) Coming my way

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think some people are of their time, and are smart enough to know where their skills lie.

American Graffiti and Star Wars. If those are on your director's CV you've done OK.

Howard the Duck is an appalling movie, but 1) Lucas didn't helm it and 2) if you must back a turkey, don't make a loss. Even that mess broke even.

Well the phantom menace did over a billion dollars but that doesn't make it a good film. The reason I can't watch star wars is because the first time I ever saw it, it was on at a friend's house and I saw ja ja Binks. If I told you what went through my mind then I'd get a forum ban for the words I'd need to use.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well the phantom menace did over a billion dollars but that doesn't make it a good film. "

I didn't say a film had to turn a profit to be good. I said, if a film is lousy, at least try not to come away with a loss. Two totally different things.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

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Yes

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By *emon DelightMan
over a year ago

South Wales

I love Star Wars but not such a fan of George Lucas - the best Star Wars films were the ones where he passed on the directing and screenwriting duties to others eg. Empire Strikes Back.

And I really don’t like the Special Editions of the films that he insisted on releasing in the late 90’s, with all the added CGI effects

He did a great job with the merchandising side of things though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Star Wars franchise is much like the Queen franchise (thats the band not HM) who have just released yet another rehash of old stuff in a new film.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did he have something to do with raiders of the lost ark?.

I liked that one

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Isn't Star Wars for people who never grew up?

No, science fiction can be useful for thought experiments and in many ways, writing fiction is harder than truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If wasn't for George Lucas making Star Wars I couldn't have the Imperial March as my ringtone when my Ex Wife calls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genius is an over-used description these days do I rarely use it. Lucas is a great film maker and as others have said brought a lot of new ideas to modern movie making. Genius? No!

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

His films are over rated but him as a person is not.

They fawn over him not because of star wars but because of lucas arts, and how it pretty much invented how to shoot modern films and laid out so many industry standards over the years.

I personally believe if lucas hadn't of done it, someone else would have, but it was him who did it so he deserves to be held up as royalty of hollywood.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Genius is an over-used description these days do I rarely use it. Lucas is a great film maker and as others have said brought a lot of new ideas to modern movie making. Genius? No! "

But how do you explain Howard the Duck, the phantom menace and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom or crystal wank? Truly awful films.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But how do you explain Howard the Duck, the phantom menace and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom or crystal wank? Truly awful films. "

I know I've said this already but it bears repeating. George Lucas didn't helm Howard the Duck. Nor did he write it. He was an exec producer which means nothing more than he put up some money for its making.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" But how do you explain Howard the Duck, the phantom menace and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom or crystal wank? Truly awful films.

Which is exactly the same status he has for most of what he's done. His record as a writer includes those other two abortions and anything good he wrote was years before them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which is exactly the same status he has for most of what he's done."

No it isn't. He's mostly a producer, not an executive producer. They're two very different roles.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Which is exactly the same status he has for most of what he's done.

No it isn't. He's mostly a producer, not an executive producer. They're two very different roles."

Fair enough, but it does mean that he read the script of howard the Duck and thought, oh yeah that's something i want to be associated with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fair enough, but it does mean that he read the script of howard the Duck and thought, oh yeah that's something i want to be associated with. "

It doesn't even mean that. I'll duck out as you haven't got a clue and it's annoying. Come to exchanges with fact-based information in future, there's no point otherwise. Ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He brought me the greatest films ever and hes assisted many other projects. I think he's great. I cant imagine life without Starwars and Master Yoda. So this is for George

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"He brought me the greatest films ever and hes assisted many other projects. I think he's great. I cant imagine life without Starwars and Master Yoda. So this is for George

Which one specifically is on your greatest ever list?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He brought me the greatest films ever and hes assisted many other projects. I think he's great. I cant imagine life without Starwars and Master Yoda. So this is for George

Which one specifically is on your greatest ever list? "

The original 3 Starwars movies x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think George Lucas is a lot like the Roman Emperor Hadrian. Hadrian didn't actually build the wall, workers and slaves did, he didn't design it and he never even visited Britain to see it. But it's called "Hadrian's Wall", and historians will say he "built" it. It is safe to say, Hadrian caused the wall to happen because it was under his orders that it was built. George Lucas may not have done all of the creative work for Star Wars or Indiana Jones, but he caused it all to happen and they were his moments of genius.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

The Indiana Jones films and all the Star Wars films are bloody fantastic . Ok Jar jar blinks isn’t , but everything else is . American Graffiti , what a debut ! And Pixar ... need I say more ?

And he’s worth about 5.6 billion dollars .

So how do you gauge a genius ?

By his success surely , and by that he is .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No hes fantastic cant direct mind you but his creativity and business sence is brill

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"The Indiana Jones films and all the Star Wars films are bloody fantastic . Ok Jar jar blinks isn’t , but everything else is . American Graffiti , what a debut ! And Pixar ... need I say more ?

And he’s worth about 5.6 billion dollars .

So how do you gauge a genius ?

By his success surely , and by that he is .

And that he has one of Oliver Hardys original hats

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The Indiana Jones films and all the Star Wars films are bloody fantastic . Ok Jar jar blinks isn’t , but everything else is . American Graffiti , what a debut ! And Pixar ... need I say more ?

And he’s worth about 5.6 billion dollars .

So how do you gauge a genius ?

By his success surely , and by that he is .

Phantom menace grossed over a billion dollars, are you claiming that makes it a success? If so then I'm going to claim that the most successful business in history was enron

Were all the indiana Jones films bloody fantastic? All of them? Are you sure? Because i saw one where he survived a nuclear blast in a fucking fridge so which film were you watching x

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Yes- extremely, but who gives a fuck anyway?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"The Indiana Jones films and all the Star Wars films are bloody fantastic . Ok Jar jar blinks isn’t , but everything else is . American Graffiti , what a debut ! And Pixar ... need I say more ?

And he’s worth about 5.6 billion dollars .

So how do you gauge a genius ?

By his success surely , and by that he is .

Phantom menace grossed over a billion dollars, are you claiming that makes it a success? If so then I'm going to claim that the most successful business in history was enron

Were all the indiana Jones films bloody fantastic? All of them? Are you sure? Because i saw one where he survived a nuclear blast in a fucking fridge so which film were you watching x"

Perhaps it would have been more realistic to have had him vapourised but a) the film would have been a tad shorter and b) the imaginary film character would have lost some street cred had he not used his imaginary film ingenuity to escape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And it was a Smeg fridge - they're pretty well-built

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The Indiana Jones films and all the Star Wars films are bloody fantastic . Ok Jar jar blinks isn’t , but everything else is . American Graffiti , what a debut ! And Pixar ... need I say more ?

And he’s worth about 5.6 billion dollars .

So how do you gauge a genius ?

By his success surely , and by that he is .

Phantom menace grossed over a billion dollars, are you claiming that makes it a success? If so then I'm going to claim that the most successful business in history was enron

Were all the indiana Jones films bloody fantastic? All of them? Are you sure? Because i saw one where he survived a nuclear blast in a fucking fridge so which film were you watching x

It wasn't even the low point of the film

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he's a brilliant story teller more than a director and Howard the duck Rock's

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good "

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Genius is an over-used description these days do I rarely use it. Lucas is a great film maker and as others have said brought a lot of new ideas to modern movie making. Genius? No!

But how do you explain Howard the Duck, the phantom menace and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom or crystal wank? Truly awful films. "

I don't have to. There are many great film makers who have also dished up some dross along the way.

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either. "

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?"

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing?

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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Harvey Weinstein is a monster ....George Lucas isn't is he

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By *esus H ChristMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing? "

Jesus wept......how can you compare one with the other?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing?

Jesus wept......how can you compare one with the other?"

I know right, Harvey has been behind so many more good films

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing?

Jesus wept......how can you compare one with the other?

I know right, Harvey has been behind so many more good films "

True , but most of the best that he was involved in credit him as the executive producer , so he didn’t actually have any creative influence on them .

These films which credit him as the executive producer are almost as prolific as his impropriety with actresses to be honest .

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing?

Jesus wept......how can you compare one with the other?

I know right, Harvey has been behind so many more good films

True , but most of the best that he was involved in credit him as the executive producer , so he didn’t actually have any creative influence on them .

These films which credit him as the executive producer are almost as prolific as his impropriety with actresses to be honest . "

Alledged impropriety

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Your all talking about him ...must be doing something good

That makes no seance at all people talk about all sorts including Donald Tump and Fred West I am fairly sure neither of them are in the "doing something good" category either.

Can't argue with you there , but the guy ain't killed anybody has he ....and half the world have been touched by his vision ....is that a bad thing ?

A lot of people in Hollywood were allegedly touched by Harvey Weinstein... is that a bad thing?

Jesus wept......how can you compare one with the other?

I know right, Harvey has been behind so many more good films

True , but most of the best that he was involved in credit him as the executive producer , so he didn’t actually have any creative influence on them .

These films which credit him as the executive producer are almost as prolific as his impropriety with actresses to be honest .

Alledged impropriety

My mistake

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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Chewbacca had it right about George Lucas when asked , and I quote " waaarrahhhaaaghhh " ....Chewbacca , what a guy

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