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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people" How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people" Pornhub handjobs for the homeless | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people Pornhub handjobs for the homeless" Grow up. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people Pornhub handjobs for the homeless" Wtaf? | |||
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"Disability, disaster relief, medical, educational are my top ones for giving. I volunteer in the community as well, in more of a social outreach sense. " Are there specific organisations for the above, or if you’d rather not say that, is it possible to clarify any specific disability, medical or education area? | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked?" I would want the vast majority of it to go to the people or causes it's intended for, and I totally get that running a large (quite possibly multi-national) organisation requires structure and all that in place...but when most charity directors are multi-millionaire and you see charities with fancy London offices, every person decked out with an £800 Hermann Miller office chair, it kind of sticks in the craw a bit... | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? " Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. | |||
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"the top 9 managers of a well known charity were listed as earning50 k a year plus a car plus exspenses nahh not for me to give they need to sort there house in order" How much would you be happy for them to earn? | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. " Why do you think your choices (or views on charitable giving if you’re anti) would influence anyone else’s answers? Genuine question, not trying to stir! | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? I would want the vast majority of it to go to the people or causes it's intended for, and I totally get that running a large (quite possibly multi-national) organisation requires structure and all that in place...but when most charity directors are multi-millionaire and you see charities with fancy London offices, every person decked out with an £800 Hermann Miller office chair, it kind of sticks in the craw a bit..." Absolutely, these are fair points. Would there be any smaller, more local maybe charities that you could be more assured of giving to where this wasn’t the set up? If so, what cause/s might you be interested in? | |||
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"Disability, disaster relief, medical, educational are my top ones for giving. I volunteer in the community as well, in more of a social outreach sense. Are there specific organisations for the above, or if you’d rather not say that, is it possible to clarify any specific disability, medical or education area?" I don't find myself tied to anything specific, although I suppose my overall ethos would be equal access and opportunity, which is how I guide my giving for disability and educational charities. For medical things, it's that, personal experience, and trying to give to local medical organisations. | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. Why do you think your choices (or views on charitable giving if you’re anti) would influence anyone else’s answers? Genuine question, not trying to stir! " I didn’t say they would, but I’m ensuring they won’t. | |||
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"Disability, disaster relief, medical, educational are my top ones for giving. I volunteer in the community as well, in more of a social outreach sense. Are there specific organisations for the above, or if you’d rather not say that, is it possible to clarify any specific disability, medical or education area? I don't find myself tied to anything specific, although I suppose my overall ethos would be equal access and opportunity, which is how I guide my giving for disability and educational charities. For medical things, it's that, personal experience, and trying to give to local medical organisations. " Nods, thank you for expanding, that makes sense. | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. Why do you think your choices (or views on charitable giving if you’re anti) would influence anyone else’s answers? Genuine question, not trying to stir! I didn’t say they would, but I’m ensuring they won’t. " PM me when you post it so I remember to check back! | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. Why do you think your choices (or views on charitable giving if you’re anti) would influence anyone else’s answers? Genuine question, not trying to stir! I didn’t say they would, but I’m ensuring they won’t. PM me when you post it so I remember to check back! " Ach, sorry that would break my filters. | |||
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"What are your faves, OP? Absolutely! I shall add a little later in the thread as I don’t want to steer/set premise at this moment. Why do you think your choices (or views on charitable giving if you’re anti) would influence anyone else’s answers? Genuine question, not trying to stir! I didn’t say they would, but I’m ensuring they won’t. PM me when you post it so I remember to check back! Ach, sorry that would break my filters. " Oh well, never mind! | |||
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"Brain tumour charity Cancer research Air ambulance I don't like when people come knocking on the door though " Or harass you in the street | |||
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"Brain tumour charity Cancer research Air ambulance I don't like when people come knocking on the door though Or harass you in the street " Oh the fast walk they do. Fuck sake stop chasing me | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people" They do seem to have a high percentage of donations which goes on administration costs! I can still remember the blind dogs charity were found to be giving interest free loans to their senior management, to even buy houses. Saying that thpigh I've got a month direct debit with my local dogs home and also made a donation to become a life member. | |||
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"I am very wary of giving. For every pound you give and especially overseas I fear that most is creamed off by the middle men and women. I would rather donate directly to a beggar than feed the fat executive masters. " I think a lot of people are concerned about that, as I said further up do you think there would be any smaller, more local maybe charities that you could be more assured of giving to where that might not feel the case? If so, what cause/s might you be interested in? | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people They do seem to have a high percentage of donations which goes on administration costs! " Not really. Not are around 8%. Try finding a private business that achieves that. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? I would want the vast majority of it to go to the people or causes it's intended for, and I totally get that running a large (quite possibly multi-national) organisation requires structure and all that in place...but when most charity directors are multi-millionaire and you see charities with fancy London offices, every person decked out with an £800 Hermann Miller office chair, it kind of sticks in the craw a bit... Absolutely, these are fair points. Would there be any smaller, more local maybe charities that you could be more assured of giving to where this wasn’t the set up? If so, what cause/s might you be interested in?" I used to donate to pancreatic cancer. Lost my eldest Aunt to it, followed by her younger brother about 10 years later. Though there have been huge advances in dealing with some cancers - I think the 5 year survival rate has gone from something like 20% in the 70s to something like 80% now for types such as breast and prostate, pancreatic cancer survival rates were 3% back then and are 3% now | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids " As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. " Where did you find that out? I'd be interested to know how Ireland fairs in that list | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... " It's more than 'poverty' levels in this country would be considered middle class in plenty of other countries around the world. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. " Given we are also in the top ten for size of economy, I don't find that altogether unsurprising | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. Where did you find that out? I'd be interested to know how Ireland fairs in that list " Well we still have our border beaches | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. Where did you find that out? I'd be interested to know how Ireland fairs in that list " Charities Aid Foundation’s annual report - in the most generous countries it ranked UK 8, Ireland 9. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. Given we are also in the top ten for size of economy, I don't find that altogether unsurprising" Yes, but it’s not calculated like that. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people donate to animal charities...I wonder if it is because we have been conditioned to see the less fortunate in society as somehow 'undeserving' or have brought it upon themselves, whereas animals are innocent and helpless... That said, I think we as a nation have always been soft when it comes to animals - the RSPCA was founded about 60 years prior to the NSPCC...we care more about our animals than our kids As a country, regardless of which cause, we are in the top ten most charitable worldwide. Where did you find that out? I'd be interested to know how Ireland fairs in that list " Not sure about Ireland but in NI the stats used to show they gave the biggest proportion of income to charities across the whole of the UK. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked?" You’d be surprised how little money from donations reaches the people it is intended for. I saw the accounts for a help the heroes type charity, not help the heroes tho. Out of 500k of donations only 15k was given out. The rest is swallowed up by directors wages, vehicles etc etc. You can earn a very good living running a charity. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? You’d be surprised how little money from donations reaches the people it is intended for. I saw the accounts for a help the heroes type charity, not help the heroes tho. Out of 500k of donations only 15k was given out. The rest is swallowed up by directors wages, vehicles etc etc. You can earn a very good living running a charity. " I refer you to BrokenBrilliance’s input on the thread. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? You’d be surprised how little money from donations reaches the people it is intended for. I saw the accounts for a help the heroes type charity, not help the heroes tho. Out of 500k of donations only 15k was given out. The rest is swallowed up by directors wages, vehicles etc etc. You can earn a very good living running a charity. I refer you to BrokenBrilliance’s input on the thread. " I’ve read it, doesn’t make it the automatic gospel truth tho. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? You’d be surprised how little money from donations reaches the people it is intended for. I saw the accounts for a help the heroes type charity, not help the heroes tho. Out of 500k of donations only 15k was given out. The rest is swallowed up by directors wages, vehicles etc etc. You can earn a very good living running a charity. I refer you to BrokenBrilliance’s input on the thread. I’ve read it, doesn’t make it the automatic gospel truth tho. " I meant the Giving Well website. I don’t want a subjective opinion debate, it’s not really answering the question posed on the thread. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people How would you expect the money to be used? And what do you suspect is being done? Have you raised concern/asked? You’d be surprised how little money from donations reaches the people it is intended for. I saw the accounts for a help the heroes type charity, not help the heroes tho. Out of 500k of donations only 15k was given out. The rest is swallowed up by directors wages, vehicles etc etc. You can earn a very good living running a charity. I refer you to BrokenBrilliance’s input on the thread. I’ve read it, doesn’t make it the automatic gospel truth tho. " You're not going to find a charity like that scoring well on an audit site. In fact many of the big name charities don't score well. Reading the thread, some people seemed to have invented excuses around charities being slush funds for executives / money stolen / admin expenses too high. All these things are considered by independent auditors. It's really not hard to go on one of the sites and find a well run charity not doing any of those things... assuming one actually wants to donate rather than justify not donating. | |||
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"I tend not to donate to charities now, because many of them I just don't think use the money in the way we are expecting them to. So I generally give it direct to homeless people" I do the same. I rather buy a hot drink and a hot meal to a homeless person, then give to charities. And I do buy food often | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. " Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab " As are most wars, and conflicts, but service personnel are not given a choice and the government do fuck all, I had to have assistance from H4H to fund my prosthetic arm fucking discrase | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab As are most wars, and conflicts, but service personnel are not given a choice and the government do fuck all, I had to have assistance from H4H to fund my prosthetic arm fucking discrase " It *is* a fucking disgrace. I object strongly to the existence of Help for Heroes - not because I disagree with what they do or stand for - but because they shouldn't have to exist in the first place. The government sends people off to get blown up, and then can't even be arsed to look after them when they do?! | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab As are most wars, and conflicts, but service personnel are not given a choice and the government do fuck all, I had to have assistance from H4H to fund my prosthetic arm fucking discrase It *is* a fucking disgrace. I object strongly to the existence of Help for Heroes - not because I disagree with what they do or stand for - but because they shouldn't have to exist in the first place. The government sends people off to get blown up, and then can't even be arsed to look after them when they do?! " Whilst I agree that the government don’t look after service personnel very well post conflict, nobody in this country is conscripted. I knew full well what might happen when I signed up. | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab As are most wars, and conflicts, but service personnel are not given a choice and the government do fuck all, I had to have assistance from H4H to fund my prosthetic arm fucking discrase It *is* a fucking disgrace. I object strongly to the existence of Help for Heroes - not because I disagree with what they do or stand for - but because they shouldn't have to exist in the first place. The government sends people off to get blown up, and then can't even be arsed to look after them when they do?! Whilst I agree that the government don’t look after service personnel very well post conflict, nobody in this country is conscripted. I knew full well what might happen when I signed up." True, but they have a duty of care. Seems to me that people that sign up are seen as little more than an asset to be used and then discarded. I mean, I don't even agree with most of the conflicts we've got involved in bar WW2, but at the end of the day we're talking about people here - and that humanistic element is abjectly lacking...I think the number of veterans living on the street is testament to that | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab " Said from your comfortable armchair | |||
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"I read that that Oxfam spend 25% of its takings on admin.. " It’ll be even higher than that. The big charities are very careful with what they say about expenditure. The Red Cross for instance state that 93% of revenue is spent on good causes but that doesn’t mean 93% goes directly to the needy. 23% is spent on fund raising for a start and the ceo is on 500k a year. | |||
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"I read that that Oxfam spend 25% of its takings on admin.. It’ll be even higher than that. The big charities are very careful with what they say about expenditure. The Red Cross for instance state that 93% of revenue is spent on good causes but that doesn’t mean 93% goes directly to the needy. 23% is spent on fund raising for a start and the ceo is on 500k a year. " 500k a year wow that’s a lot! I would do if for half that. | |||
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"I read that that Oxfam spend 25% of its takings on admin.. " If you'd bothered to check on a site like charity navigator then you'd know that's bullshit and the real figure is 7.2% | |||
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"I read that that Oxfam spend 25% of its takings on admin.. If you'd bothered to check on a site like charity navigator then you'd know that's bullshit and the real figure is 7.2% " Oh don’t let facts get in the way of the ranty rants! | |||
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"There are a number of causes I support that are close to my heart. Cancer research. The loss of all paternal and maternal grandparents. Altzheimers/Dementia. The loss of my mother. Parkinsons. The loss of my mother. Leukemia. The loss of my daughter. I used to work with the guide dogs for the blind association. Obvious why.... I seem to be working for more and more companies that have a strong presence and posture in charitable causes. Naomi house in the past,currently a number of children's and homeless charities spring to mind. My late father loved the Salvation Army so I always give to them. Red Cross, British Legion and Help for Heroes will always get a donation from me. Most of my work shirts and jackets and a few suits have come from charity shops. When I'm able I buy an extra basket of shopping for the food bank collection. All causes close to my heart." Why guide dogs? | |||
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"I read that that Oxfam spend 25% of its takings on admin.. If you'd bothered to check on a site like charity navigator then you'd know that's bullshit and the real figure is 7.2% Oh don’t let facts get in the way of the ranty rants! " Red cross has ~30,000 employees, ~16,000 volunteers and an income of $2.7bn. The CEO is apparently milking it on ~$600 a year. British house builder persimmon is admittedly bigger at £3.4 turnover but with ~4,500 staff to manage. The CEO recently saw his bonus slashed from £100m to £75m. Bonus being the key word there. | |||
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"And back to the OP questions... Well over 100 answers now OP, the OP said that the OP would answer the OPs questions but didn’t want to steer or set premise for the rest of the thread earlier on. I think the thread is very well established now and the direction for it is now well and truly set - so are you going to answer your own question now or elaborate why you are preferring not to yet pressing others for their answer ? Simply because you’re getting wound up by this, nah - I’m not going to now. I’m always suspicious of the agenda of people that ask a question, press others for their answer, and when the thread drifts a few times direct it back to the specifically asked original questions, yet refuse to answer it themselves when they explicitly said they would! Interesting behaviour don’t you think? Not wound up by it at all, just wondering what your motives for the thread are! This comment tells us more about you than it does about me. Does it? Are you speaking for the rest of the forum? Interesting! No Dan, you misunderstand the wording. I haven’t made a statement that indicates I know (or speak for) the forum, but point out the fact that your comment provides more insight to you, than it does about me. It probably does. I admit it’s curious (to me at least!) that you appear to wish avoiding a question you yourself have posed (and indeed said you would) but seem very interested in everyone else answering the specifically posed question precisely. If that curiosity makes me a bad person, so be it! I admit I’m a little perplexed by it all, but then I’m just a simple country boy of simple means! Oooooh I’m super nosey I wanna know!! I donate to our local SSPCA, air ambulance, homeless charities and we donate to food banks " I was going to use the info for world domination obviously, but hush - don’t tell Dan. | |||
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"This is fascinating, I’m wondering what advantages now I have by having the info on this thread that everyone else who can read this thread doesn’t have? Mmmmmm, should have asked people for bank details on PM instead! I've been fascinated how many people felt a need to come and give half baked reasons why they don't donate. Rather than just pass the thread by. " I think it’s sad actually that some see everything as an agenda, I found the thread really uplifting initially. | |||
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"This is fascinating, I’m wondering what advantages now I have by having the info on this thread that everyone else who can read this thread doesn’t have? Mmmmmm, should have asked people for bank details on PM instead! I've been fascinated how many people felt a need to come and give half baked reasons why they don't donate. Rather than just pass the thread by. " Probably same reason why they walk by collection boxes pretending to chat and not notice...guilt? Conditioned to feel obliged? | |||
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"This is fascinating, I’m wondering what advantages now I have by having the info on this thread that everyone else who can read this thread doesn’t have? Mmmmmm, should have asked people for bank details on PM instead! I've been fascinated how many people felt a need to come and give half baked reasons why they don't donate. Rather than just pass the thread by. Probably same reason why they walk by collection boxes pretending to chat and not notice...guilt? Conditioned to feel obliged? " Can't see the link personally. You walk down the street and someone is making a request of you. This wasn't a thread asking people why don't they donate. In principle, it's no different to a "who likes watersports?" Thread. I don't, so I don't drop into those threads to let everyone know why I don't like watersports. | |||
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"There are a number of causes I support that are close to my heart. Cancer research. The loss of all paternal and maternal grandparents. Altzheimers/Dementia. The loss of my mother. Parkinsons. The loss of my mother. Leukemia. The loss of my daughter. I used to work with the guide dogs for the blind association. Obvious why.... I seem to be working for more and more companies that have a strong presence and posture in charitable causes. Naomi house in the past,currently a number of children's and homeless charities spring to mind. My late father loved the Salvation Army so I always give to them. Red Cross, British Legion and Help for Heroes will always get a donation from me. Most of my work shirts and jackets and a few suits have come from charity shops. When I'm able I buy an extra basket of shopping for the food bank collection. All causes close to my heart. Why guide dogs?" I'll tell you at the STP. | |||
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"There are a number of causes I support that are close to my heart. Cancer research. The loss of all paternal and maternal grandparents. Altzheimers/Dementia. The loss of my mother. Parkinsons. The loss of my mother. Leukemia. The loss of my daughter. I used to work with the guide dogs for the blind association. Obvious why.... I seem to be working for more and more companies that have a strong presence and posture in charitable causes. Naomi house in the past,currently a number of children's and homeless charities spring to mind. My late father loved the Salvation Army so I always give to them. Red Cross, British Legion and Help for Heroes will always get a donation from me. Most of my work shirts and jackets and a few suits have come from charity shops. When I'm able I buy an extra basket of shopping for the food bank collection. All causes close to my heart. Why guide dogs? I'll tell you at the STP. " You know I won't be there. | |||
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"Is it true altruism to give, or do people do it cause it makes them feel good about thereselves ? I give, I donate... It makes me feel good whether anyone knows I've done it or not... I don't wear lapel pins, or sport bumper stickers. Sometimes I take part in events which do involve a small degree of publicity. Do I do it because it makes me feel good?? That question might take a little more introspection than I'm prepared to give it. " I'm pretty sure that when a hungry kids eats a meal donated by charity, the kid gives absolutely no fucks about the motivation of the donor. | |||
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"There are a number of causes I support that are close to my heart. Cancer research. The loss of all paternal and maternal grandparents. Altzheimers/Dementia. The loss of my mother. Parkinsons. The loss of my mother. Leukemia. The loss of my daughter. I used to work with the guide dogs for the blind association. Obvious why.... I seem to be working for more and more companies that have a strong presence and posture in charitable causes. Naomi house in the past,currently a number of children's and homeless charities spring to mind. My late father loved the Salvation Army so I always give to them. Red Cross, British Legion and Help for Heroes will always get a donation from me. Most of my work shirts and jackets and a few suits have come from charity shops. When I'm able I buy an extra basket of shopping for the food bank collection. All causes close to my heart. Why guide dogs? I'll tell you at the STP. You know I won't be there. " Manchester then. | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab Said from your comfortable armchair " Your point being? | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab Said from your comfortable armchair Your point being?" Maybe when you've been shot at, then I'll take your opinion of why people serve in the military a bit more seriously | |||
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"Poppy Appeal every year: thank you to those who sacrificed for my freedom. Though I know it has now branched out into just a general thing for veterans, the whole poppy thing was originally intended as remembrance of WW1...and those countless millions didn't die for our freedom, it was a bloody stupid war that was little more than a bunch of imperialist powers engaging in a massive pissing contest and land grab Said from your comfortable armchair Your point being? Maybe when you've been shot at, then I'll take your opinion of why people serve in the military a bit more seriously " My opinion had nothing whatsoever to do with the motivations of the people serving in the military and was more to do with the motivations of the people sending others off to die... | |||
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"Two days in and close to closing. We eagerly await the OPs promise to tell us her answers. " She doesn’t want to influence your charitable giving. JESUS CHRIST DID YOU EVEN READ THE THREAD | |||
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